[Ty Ford]

My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

Regards,

Ty Ford


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[Nate Najar]

On Mar 19, 7:51 am, Ty Ford wrote:
My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

Ty,

I don't know what kind of functionality you need, but if it's just
handy volume and speaker switching the big knob is great. I had one
when they first came out, and only got rid of it when i got a real
console. The thing about the big knob though is the whole unit is
HUGE. but it's super handy. i liked that it had a master mute on it
in easy reach.

Nate

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box. Their new organization for plugs and
the plugs that come with it are alone worth the price
and it is just a little more than the big knob.

But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
reach for when the computer decides to go its own way.


peace
dawg


"Ty Ford" wrote in message
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: My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the
planet.
:
: Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other
options?
:
: Regards,
:
: Ty Ford
:
:
: --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
: Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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[John L Rice]

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
. ..
My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

Regards,

Ty Ford

Hi Ty,

I know it's on the expensive side but I really love my Coleman Audio M3PH
http://www.colemanaudio.com/

An alternative to the Mackie would be the NHT PVC pro
http://nhthifi.com/2006/products/pro/pvcpro.html About $149 street and looks
pretty nice (I haven't tried one)

John L Rice

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:
Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box.

Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in
the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as
hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to
mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control,
and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone
outputs? And talkback mic?

[Laurence Payne]

On 19 Mar 2007 07:18:18 -0700, "Mike Rivers"
wrote:

Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box.

Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in
the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as
hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to
mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control,
and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone
outputs? And talkback mic?

Yeah. Like you say, if you ARE computer-based, Cubase 4's Control
Room very likely does everything you'd use the Knob for. Not quite
everything, and not necessarily in exactly the same way of course. But
if your mind is open to computer solutions, it's well worth a look.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:16:17 -0800, (hank alrich)
wrote:

But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
reach for when the computer decides to go its own way.

Reads to me like you have not met a Big Knob, and also do not understand
what's good about stuff that is not "in the box".

I've never personally met a Big Knob. But I know about it, and its
specifications are easy to understand. There may be occasions where a
Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
over-featured.

Is it possible that there are contributors to this thread who HAVEN'T
even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today, but nevertheless
have opinions about it? :-)

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[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
ups.com...
: On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
: wrote:
: Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called
the
: control room. It will kill things like the big knob
and
: it is in the box.
:
: Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase
possibly do that in
: the box?

It sure as hell does and more and more of what the big
knob designers would wish it does. If you ever see the
demo you will know.

* Any output you setup in the DAW can be an input to
the control room.
* Multiple monitors can be selected and volume matched
if desired,
* Talkback mic and selectable routing
* Sends and outputs for cue mixes with presets
* It can also handle 2 tk, and every version of
surround you may want to use for mixdown.
* Single keystrokes to route surround to 2tk or mono
and 2tk to mono
* Single keystrokes to solo or mute speakers.
(individualy and by group)
* Volume controls that do not affect the mix level.
* No switching noise ( except maybe when you switch the
daw off and on.

Very well thought out.

The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as
well as
: hands-on controls.

Like I said multiple inputs and outputs but no hardware
for when the computer gets a mind of its own. That is
the only advantage I see unless you want to use it with
the computer off and another source or something.

: I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
: out sound card to different speakers and have
on-screen buttons to
: mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume
and mute control,

So did Charlie Steinberg, but he did something about
it.
THE CONTROL ROOM

And the headphone outputs?
Got it and with well thought out presets for what
drives the phones and you can insert compression or
limiters in the sends.

And talkback mic?
Can rout that too.
:

: and what about the RIAA equalized phono input?
Just like every console used for this job. The control
room assumes you have a phono stage for your moving
magnet Grado Statement cartridge. The Big Knob does not
have enough gain in it's phono input to handle the
0.5mV output of high quality cartridges. It needs
5-79mV input.

But who has a turntable any more and the OP did not
mention that.


Hey Mike! Did ya find that speaker and the designers
claims for the variovent to the another chamber?


peace
Dawg.
:
:
:

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 19, 12:05 pm, Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
section! I guess you will now :-)

No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its brethren and
sistern provide is more input and output jacks and hands-on controls.
If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio interface, how's the
Control Room section going to help you switch between two sets of
monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?

If you can tell me how the software control room section replaces
physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll take a hike.

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne
There may be occasions where a
Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
over-featured.

That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who don't
have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they have a
whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do
something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few
mouse clicks.


Is it possible that there are contributors to this thread who HAVEN'T
even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today, but nevertheless
have opinions about it? :-)

I haven't heard of it and I don't have an opinion about it. But I will
question how it makes hardware where there's no hardware. That's the
most significant feature of the Big Knob.

If it can do that, please explain to me how.

[Laurence Payne]

On 19 Mar 2007 08:43:48 -0700, "Mike Rivers"
wrote:

Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
section! I guess you will now :-)

No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its brethren and
sistern provide is more input and output jacks and hands-on controls.
If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio interface, how's the
Control Room section going to help you switch between two sets of
monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?

If you can tell me how the software control room section replaces
physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll take a hike.

You're striking a silly attitude. Unless you can show me how a Big
Knob replaces your multitrack recorder?

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
ups.com...
: On Mar 19, 12:05 pm, Romeo Rondeau
wrote:
:
: Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's
control room
: section! I guess you will now :-)
:
: No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its
brethren and
: sistern provide is more input and output jacks and
hands-on controls.
: If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio
interface, how's the
: Control Room section going to help you switch between
two sets of
: monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?
:
: If you can tell me how the software control room
section replaces
: physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll
take a hike.


I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of people
have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as inputs.
In a stereo system only two outputs are configured.
This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system, like
I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have 23
spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high end
DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back into
the board so I can mix it into the headsets)

You could make three 5.1 mixes and three stereo.

Or lotsa headsets out and a few stereo and a surround.
Get it?

Peace.
dawg
:
:

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
: Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:
:
: Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called
the
: control room. It will kill things like the big knob
and
: it is in the box. Their new organization for plugs
and
: the plugs that come with it are alone worth the
price
: and it is just a little more than the big knob.
:
: But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
: reach for when the computer decides to go its own
way.
:
: Reads to me like you have not met a Big Knob, and
also do not understand
: what's good about stuff that is not "in the box".
:
: --
: ha
: Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

Read the review in either Recording or Tape op dude. I
know exactly what it does and can't do. But don't worry
you will be seeing every other DAW copying something
just like it real soon. But of course the copies will
claim to be the original and the first ones with this
feature and they will have cooler sounding more
original names.

peace
dawg

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom
wrote in message
...

:
: Is it possible that there are contributors to this
thread who HAVEN'T
: even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today,
but nevertheless
: have opinions about it? :-)

I just got the demo earlier this month from the
Steinberg Rep, Greg Ondo. They rolled it out at NAM
last month.


peace
dawg

[Romeo Rondeau]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:
Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box.

Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in
the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as
hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to
mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control,
and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone
outputs? And talkback mic?

Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
section! I guess you will now :-)

[hank alrich]

Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box. Their new organization for plugs and
the plugs that come with it are alone worth the price
and it is just a little more than the big knob.

But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
reach for when the computer decides to go its own way.

Reads to me like you have not met a Big Knob, and also do not understand
what's good about stuff that is not "in the box".

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:00:30 GMT, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:

: Is it possible that there are contributors to this
thread who HAVEN'T
: even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today,
but nevertheless
: have opinions about it? :-)

I just got the demo earlier this month from the
Steinberg Rep, Greg Ondo. They rolled it out at NAM
last month.

What took you so long? We've been using it since early October 2006.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[philicorda]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:58:12 +0000, Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
: Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:
:
: Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called
the
: control room. It will kill things like the big knob
and
: it is in the box. Their new organization for plugs
and
: the plugs that come with it are alone worth the
price
: and it is just a little more than the big knob.
:
: But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
: reach for when the computer decides to go its own
way.
:
: Reads to me like you have not met a Big Knob, and
also do not understand
: what's good about stuff that is not "in the box".
:
: --
: ha
: Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

Read the review in either Recording or Tape op dude. I
know exactly what it does and can't do. But don't worry
you will be seeing every other DAW copying something
just like it real soon. But of course the copies will
claim to be the original and the first ones with this
feature and they will have cooler sounding more
original names.

Can you solo input channels to the control room speakers without it
affecting the headphone mixes?

I've been using a Cubase4 rig for some mixing, but did not get into the
new monitoring in any depth.


peace
dawg

[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:06:15 -0800, (hank alrich)
wrote:

Read the review in either Recording or Tape op dude.

I have. There are no hardware connections provided by the software.
There is no hardware phono preamp. Etc.

Obviously the only meaningful comparison is between the BK and a DAW
INCLUDING a multi-output soundcard. Didn't Mike establish this very
early in this thread?

Else we're just being silly. Like buying software and whining "But
you didn't say I'd need a computer as well!" Or buying a radio mic
and "What do you mean - I need an amp and speakers TOO?"

(Actually, I've heard that last one more than once :-)

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[hank alrich]

Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
ups.com...
: On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
: wrote:
: Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called
the
: control room. It will kill things like the big knob
and
: it is in the box.
:
: Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase
possibly do that in
: the box?

It sure as hell does and more and more of what the big
knob designers would wish it does. If you ever see the
demo you will know.

You have made it clear that you do not understand what the Big Knob
offers.

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[hank alrich]

Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

Read the review in either Recording or Tape op dude.

I have. There are no hardware connections provided by the software.
There is no hardware phono preamp. Etc.

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom
wrote in message
...

: I just got the demo earlier this month from the
: Steinberg Rep, Greg Ondo. They rolled it out at NAM
: last month.
:
: What took you so long? We've been using it since
early October 2006.

I do not need it. I monitor outside the box and have
all the control I need for what I do.

peace
dawg

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"philicorda" wrote in
message
...

:: Can you solo input channels to the control room
speakers without it
: affecting the headphone mixes?

I seemed liked those two functions would be seperate
but I do not know for sure.

I can even do that with Nuendo 2.0 if I were to put the
phones out an aux, so long as the talent does not mind
the ................................latency!
:
: I've been using a Cubase4 rig for some mixing, but
did not get into the
: new monitoring in any depth.

Go for it dude.

peace
dawg

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...


: You have made it clear that you do not understand
what the Big Knob
: offers.

You are so observent and have great reading
comprehension. You are my hero!


peace
dawg

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
: Deputy Dumbya Dawg
wrote:
:
: Read the review in either Recording or Tape op
dude.
:
: I have. There are no hardware connections provided by
the software.
: There is no hardware phono preamp. Etc.

I did not remember a phono in from the review of the
big knob, so I just looked it up on the Mackie web page
spec sheet and it sure as **** does have a phono input
today on that spec sheet. And I do not recall any
software in the big knob, it is hardware.

If you do not understand the hardware connections of
the Cuebase IV CONTROL ROOM I can not help you there
but you need to understand that Control Room needs a
multiple out soundcard(s) not an M-Box or other stereo,
single mic at a time solution.

peace
dawg
:
: --
: ha
: Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Scott Dorsey]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne
There may be occasions where a
Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
over-featured.

That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who don't
have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they have a
whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do
something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few
mouse clicks.

The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical
large format control does.

If you're stuck mixing on something like a Mackie console that has no
talkback and minimal monitor controls, it's a good addition.

If you're on a DAW it's a very handy addition as well.

If you're on an SSL it's totally superfluous.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 19, 11:50 am, Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom
wrote:

You're striking a silly attitude. Unless you can show me how a Big
Knob replaces your multitrack recorder?

Talk about being silly! A Big Knob isn't intended to replace a
multitrack recorder. Cubase might, and it might replace some functions
of a mixing console (the MIXING part, not necessarily the CONSOLE
part).

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 19, 11:53 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:

I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of people
have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as inputs.
In a stereo system only two outputs are configured.
This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system, like
I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have 23
spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high end
DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back into
the board so I can mix it into the headsets)

Oh, well you don't need anything special to do that, well, except
maybe for a couple of channels of headphone amplifier. Cubase's new
control layout might make it easier, but you need the hardware first.
A lot of people have only a stereo output. It's people like that who
the Big Knob was made for.

Actually, my Soundcraft console has only one set of control room
outputs, but it does have a volume control for it, as well as a mute
switch. The console was made in the day when engineers knew how to
wire up a switch if they wanted to have two sets of speakers. Today
if someone wanted to do that, they'd ask where on the web they could
find a schematic. That's what working on a DAW too long will do to
you. g

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 19, 5:42 pm, Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Well, for starters you can assign any of your knobs from your controller
surface to do anything in the control section. Don't have a control
surface? My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?"

Well, I suppose one can wax philosophical about when does a computer
with DAW software, a multi-channel audio interface, and a hardware
control surface differ from a recorder and console? I suppose that
someone who has several thousand dollars invested in a DAW system
doesn't really have much use for a $300 switching accessory. Neither
does someone wiht several thousand dollars invested in a console.

But for the right kind of customer, one who doesn't have a multi-
channel interface, a control surface, and doesn't use Cubase, it's the
right kind of product.

[Scott Dorsey]

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

You forgot to add that if your DAW is the new Cubase or Nuendo and you
have a real soundcard, not a toy, it's useless... unless you like to
"spin them rekkid's, yo!" Oh wait... they do give you a big knob :-)

Until something goes wrong with your software and the soundcard starts
spitting out noise at 0dBFS. A real monitor panel gives you a quick
place to shut it down, and also means you're using the D/A at much
higher levels (since the gain control is after the D/A instead of
before it).

Also, of course, you get zero-latency monitoring through a real monitor
panel, which you don't through any software.

But then, I don't really like DAW systems at all and I much prefer having
physical hardware to do any job.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Romeo Rondeau]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 5:42 pm, Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Well, for starters you can assign any of your knobs from your controller
surface to do anything in the control section. Don't have a control
surface? My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?"

Well, I suppose one can wax philosophical about when does a computer
with DAW software, a multi-channel audio interface, and a hardware
control surface differ from a recorder and console? I suppose that
someone who has several thousand dollars invested in a DAW system
doesn't really have much use for a $300 switching accessory. Neither
does someone wiht several thousand dollars invested in a console.

But for the right kind of customer, one who doesn't have a multi-
channel interface, a control surface, and doesn't use Cubase, it's the
right kind of product.

Agreed. I knew you'd come around :-)

[Romeo Rondeau]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Romeo Rondeau wrote:
You forgot to add that if your DAW is the new Cubase or Nuendo and you
have a real soundcard, not a toy, it's useless... unless you like to
"spin them rekkid's, yo!" Oh wait... they do give you a big knob :-)

Until something goes wrong with your software and the soundcard starts
spitting out noise at 0dBFS.

Oh yeah, good point.... that sure happens a lot.... NOT! :-)

A real monitor panel gives you a quick
place to shut it down, and also means you're using the D/A at much
higher levels (since the gain control is after the D/A instead of
before it).

Also, of course, you get zero-latency monitoring through a real monitor
panel, which you don't through any software.

Direct monitoring doesn't go through software, as a matter of
fact....wait... deja vu :-)


But then, I don't really like DAW systems at all and I much prefer having
physical hardware to do any job.
--scott

[philicorda]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:14:12 +0000, Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

"philicorda" wrote in
message
...

:: Can you solo input channels to the control room
speakers without it
: affecting the headphone mixes?

I seemed liked those two functions would be seperate
but I do not know for sure.

It would be nice if you can. One of the big annoyances I have with
monitoring in the box is that most software assumes you are only recording
yourself, and don't need to solo stuff while recording.


I can even do that with Nuendo 2.0 if I were to put the
phones out an aux, so long as the talent does not mind
the ................................latency!

How would you do it in Nuendo 2? Sends are not prefade+solo safe are
they? (That's not rhetorical

I can do the control room thing in some other DAWs with busses, but not
the solo without somewhat tortuous routing.

:
: I've been using a Cubase4 rig for some mixing, but
did not get into the
: new monitoring in any depth.

Go for it dude.

peace
dawg

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
:
: Until something goes wrong with your software and the
soundcard starts
: spitting out noise at 0dBFS. A real monitor panel
gives you a quick
: place to shut it down, and also means you're using
the D/A at much
: higher levels (since the gain control is after the
D/A instead of
: before it).

One of the reasons I have a physical gain control after
my external DAC is so I can run my mix at the mixdown
level regardless of my monitoring level.

The Cuebase 4 Control Room gives you an attenuator (yes
a software attenuator) after the master "fader" control
so you can continue to mix at the desired mixdown level
(what you would send to mastering) while adjusting the
SPL of your monitors independantly----and also
calibrating all your monitor speakers to speak at the
same level when you switch between them.

If I was using the Control Room I would still have my
(audio power- seperate from computer) power switch
close by to shut down the amps in the event 0dBFS noise
happened.
:
: Also, of course, you get zero-latency monitoring
through a real monitor
: panel, which you don't through any software.

This is why I still use my console for monitoring and
for my cue mixes.

peace
dawg
:
: But then, I don't really like DAW systems at all and
I much prefer having
: physical hardware to do any job.
: --scott
: --
: "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres
precis."

[Romeo Rondeau]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 12:05 pm, Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
section! I guess you will now :-)

No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its brethren and
sistern provide is more input and output jacks and hands-on controls.
If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio interface, how's the
Control Room section going to help you switch between two sets of
monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?

Well, if you're monkeying around with toys...


If you can tell me how the software control room section replaces
physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll take a hike.

See above...

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_2_]]

"philicorda" wrote in
message
...
:
: :: Can you solo input channels to the control room
: speakers without it
: : affecting the headphone mixes?
:
: I seemed liked those two functions would be
seperate
: but I do not know for sure.
:
: It would be nice if you can. One of the big
annoyances I have with
: monitoring in the box is that most software assumes
you are only recording
: yourself, and don't need to solo stuff while
recording.

Ask Greg Ondo the Steinberg Marketing Manager on this
forum
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/c...nuendoatlanta/
http://www.moneygrow.com/cubase-nuendo/


Like I said I mix my cues and monitor the live room
from a board. I think this is the only way to go.

peace
dawg

[Romeo Rondeau]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne
There may be occasions where a
Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
over-featured.

That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who don't
have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they have a
whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do
something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few
mouse clicks.


Is it possible that there are contributors to this thread who HAVEN'T
even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today, but nevertheless
have opinions about it? :-)

I haven't heard of it and I don't have an opinion about it. But I will
question how it makes hardware where there's no hardware. That's the
most significant feature of the Big Knob.

If it can do that, please explain to me how.


Well, for starters you can assign any of your knobs from your controller
surface to do anything in the control section. Don't have a control
surface? My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?"

[Romeo Rondeau]

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:00:30 GMT, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:

: Is it possible that there are contributors to this
thread who HAVEN'T
: even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today,
but nevertheless
: have opinions about it? :-)

I just got the demo earlier this month from the
Steinberg Rep, Greg Ondo. They rolled it out at NAM
last month.

What took you so long? We've been using it since early October 2006.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Nuendo has had it for awhile now...

[Romeo Rondeau]

hank alrich wrote:
Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

Read the review in either Recording or Tape op dude.

I have. There are no hardware connections provided by the software.
There is no hardware phono preamp. Etc.


Oooh, now THAT's a feature that EVERYBODY needs :-) You sure told him...

[Romeo Rondeau]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne
There may be occasions where a
Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
over-featured.
That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who don't
have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they have a
whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do
something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few
mouse clicks.

The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical
large format control does.

If you're stuck mixing on something like a Mackie console that has no
talkback and minimal monitor controls, it's a good addition.

If you're on a DAW it's a very handy addition as well.

If you're on an SSL it's totally superfluous.
--scott

You forgot to add that if your DAW is the new Cubase or Nuendo and you
have a real soundcard, not a toy, it's useless... unless you like to
"spin them rekkid's, yo!" Oh wait... they do give you a big knob :-)