[Jenn]

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

[Harry Lavo]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

Hard to fault Harnoncourt on Bach. Good listening!

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

I'll send you a jar of our -2 degree air (from Thursday) to make you feel
you are not missing something.

[MiNe 109]

In article

et,
Jenn wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

There's so much to learn from those. Cantatas, that is. I wouldn't wish
a musician's taxes on anyone. I like the clips of Gardiner's groups from
St Thomas that show up on that satellite arts channel.

My Half Price Bach find this week is a Capriccio sampler of arias from
various works. It will be interesting to hear the contrast of voices and
accompaniments.

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Harry Lavo" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

...
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

Hard to fault Harnoncourt on Bach. Good listening!

I first "discovered" him way back in my undergrad days through his
Brandenburg set. I still love the sound of that set, but I find many of
his tempi there to be a bit plodding, especially in Concerto 2.


It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

I'll send you a jar of our -2 degree air (from Thursday) to make you feel
you are not missing something.

lol. I'm in MI in a couple of weeks, and NYC in early April, so I still
might get a taste!

[Jenn]

In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:

In article

et,
Jenn wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

There's so much to learn from those. Cantatas, that is. I wouldn't wish
a musician's taxes on anyone. I like the clips of Gardiner's groups from
St Thomas that show up on that satellite arts channel.

Besides the Harnoncourt set, I'm also bit by bit collecting the Gardiner
CDs on SDG where he is doing them in historically relevant places. VERY
nice, IMHO.


My Half Price Bach find this week is a Capriccio sampler of arias from
various works. It will be interesting to hear the contrast of voices and
accompaniments.

Interesting! Please report when ready.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 11, 1:33 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:





In article

et,
Jenn wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

There's so much to learn from those. Cantatas, that is. I wouldn't wish
a musician's taxes on anyone. I like the clips of Gardiner's groups from
St Thomas that show up on that satellite arts channel.

Besides the Harnoncourt set, I'm also bit by bit collecting the Gardiner
CDs on SDG where he is doing them in historically relevant places. VERY
nice, IMHO.

My Half Price Bach find this week is a Capriccio sampler of arias from
various works. It will be interesting to hear the contrast of voices and
accompaniments.

Half-Price is one of my favorite stores.

Interesting! Please report when ready.

Say, Jenn, I recently found some Philips Golden Imports LPs that are
obviously Dutch Mercury reissues (Fennell, etc.).

I don't however, have the original Mercury LPs to compare them to. Do
you have any experience with the Golden Imports? What are your
thoughts about them, compared to the Mercury issues?

[Jenn]

In article om,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Mar 11, 1:33 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:





In article

et,
Jenn wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

There's so much to learn from those. Cantatas, that is. I wouldn't wish
a musician's taxes on anyone. I like the clips of Gardiner's groups from
St Thomas that show up on that satellite arts channel.

Besides the Harnoncourt set, I'm also bit by bit collecting the Gardiner
CDs on SDG where he is doing them in historically relevant places. VERY
nice, IMHO.

My Half Price Bach find this week is a Capriccio sampler of arias from
various works. It will be interesting to hear the contrast of voices and
accompaniments.

Half-Price is one of my favorite stores.

Interesting! Please report when ready.

Say, Jenn, I recently found some Philips Golden Imports LPs that are
obviously Dutch Mercury reissues (Fennell, etc.).

I don't however, have the original Mercury LPs to compare them to. Do
you have any experience with the Golden Imports? What are your
thoughts about them, compared to the Mercury issues?

It varies widely by issue. Some are REALLY good, others are quite
ordinary. None are, in my opinion, the equal of the originals or the
Classic Records and Speakers Corner current issues. But many of them
only suffer by comparison. Without access to the originals, they stand
up quite well. Especially Gould: West Point Symphony, Hovhaness: Sym.
4, Piston: Incredible Flutist. In general, the MGIs suffer most in the
area of bass, as compared to the originals.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Mar 11, 3:29 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article om,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:





On Mar 11, 1:33 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:

In article

et,
Jenn wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

There's so much to learn from those. Cantatas, that is. I wouldn't wish
a musician's taxes on anyone. I like the clips of Gardiner's groups from
St Thomas that show up on that satellite arts channel.

Besides the Harnoncourt set, I'm also bit by bit collecting the Gardiner
CDs on SDG where he is doing them in historically relevant places. VERY
nice, IMHO.

My Half Price Bach find this week is a Capriccio sampler of arias from
various works. It will be interesting to hear the contrast of voices and
accompaniments.

Half-Price is one of my favorite stores.

Interesting! Please report when ready.

Say, Jenn, I recently found some Philips Golden Imports LPs that are
obviously Dutch Mercury reissues (Fennell, etc.).

I don't however, have the original Mercury LPs to compare them to. Do
you have any experience with the Golden Imports? What are your
thoughts about them, compared to the Mercury issues?

It varies widely by issue. Some are REALLY good, others are quite
ordinary. None are, in my opinion, the equal of the originals or the
Classic Records and Speakers Corner current issues. But many of them
only suffer by comparison. Without access to the originals, they stand
up quite well. Especially Gould: West Point Symphony, Hovhaness: Sym.
4, Piston: Incredible Flutist. In general, the MGIs suffer most in the
area of bass, as compared to the originals.- Hide quoted text -

Thanks. I'd love to find some of the originals to compare them too.

Are the Classic Records and Speakers Corner issues pretty close to the
originals (or are they better, for that matter)?

[Jenn]

In article om,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Mar 11, 3:29 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article om,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:





On Mar 11, 1:33 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:

In article

.n
et,
Jenn wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that
I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I
sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their
sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay
inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

There's so much to learn from those. Cantatas, that is. I wouldn't
wish
a musician's taxes on anyone. I like the clips of Gardiner's groups
from
St Thomas that show up on that satellite arts channel.

Besides the Harnoncourt set, I'm also bit by bit collecting the
Gardiner
CDs on SDG where he is doing them in historically relevant places.
VERY
nice, IMHO.

My Half Price Bach find this week is a Capriccio sampler of arias
from
various works. It will be interesting to hear the contrast of voices
and
accompaniments.

Half-Price is one of my favorite stores.

Interesting! Please report when ready.

Say, Jenn, I recently found some Philips Golden Imports LPs that are
obviously Dutch Mercury reissues (Fennell, etc.).

I don't however, have the original Mercury LPs to compare them to. Do
you have any experience with the Golden Imports? What are your
thoughts about them, compared to the Mercury issues?

It varies widely by issue. Some are REALLY good, others are quite
ordinary. None are, in my opinion, the equal of the originals or the
Classic Records and Speakers Corner current issues. But many of them
only suffer by comparison. Without access to the originals, they stand
up quite well. Especially Gould: West Point Symphony, Hovhaness: Sym.
4, Piston: Incredible Flutist. In general, the MGIs suffer most in the
area of bass, as compared to the originals.- Hide quoted text -

Thanks. I'd love to find some of the originals to compare them too.

Are the Classic Records and Speakers Corner issues pretty close to the
originals (or are they better, for that matter)?

Better, in my experience (n = 5)

[ScottW]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...

Are the Classic Records and Speakers Corner issues pretty close to the
originals (or are they better, for that matter)?

Better, in my experience (n = 5)

How about Analogue productions few classical releases, heard any?

http://www.analogueproductions.com/r...artist_ID=4243

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article ,
"ScottW" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

...

Are the Classic Records and Speakers Corner issues pretty close to the
originals (or are they better, for that matter)?

Better, in my experience (n = 5)

How about Analogue productions few classical releases, heard any?

http://www.analogueproductions.com/r...artist_ID=4243

ScottW

I only have this one:
http://www.analogueproductions.com/r...title_id=16118

It's really excellent. Not as good as the CRs and SCs that I have, but
I don't know how the original sounded. Still, it sounds wonderful.

[paul packer]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:01 -0700, Jenn
wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

My favourite Bach would be the harpsichord concerti played on the
piano. I had some LPs years ago...can't remember the pianist(s) but
the music was brilliant...my neighbour wandered in to find out what it
was...

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
(paul packer) wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:01 -0700, Jenn
wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

My favourite Bach would be the harpsichord concerti played on the
piano. I had some LPs years ago...can't remember the pianist(s) but
the music was brilliant...my neighbour wandered in to find out what it
was...

Bestsellers for Bach concertos on piano? Maybe Gavrilov on EMI, Gould on
CBS. If you want newer performances in good sound, Hewitt with the
Australian Chamber Orchestra on Hyperion. Samples he

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/ar...sp?name=hewitt

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article ,
(paul packer) wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:01 -0700, Jenn
wrote:

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward yesterday when I
received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I
didn't have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus
Musicus complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound
(in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I might stay inside
and listen to these fabulous recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

My favourite Bach would be the harpsichord concerti played on the
piano. I had some LPs years ago...can't remember the pianist(s) but
the music was brilliant...my neighbour wandered in to find out what it
was...

So you're not a "HIP" sort of person as it relates to Bach, eh? I agree
that Bach on piano can be quite effective.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in
message

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous recordings
while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a newsgroup where this
sort of post is on-topic.

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word "music"
in its name.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous recordings
while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a newsgroup where this
sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound quality? RAO?

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word "music"
in its name.

Or "audio."

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_2_]]

MiNe 109 said to the Krooborg:

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a newsgroup where this
sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound quality? RAO?

Arnii has saddled up his favorite delusion -- namely, that his performance
on Usenet is going to land him a job as a Real Audio Guy.

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word "music"
in its name.

Or "audio."

The Krooborg hates music. Is that so wrong?




--


Krooscience: the antidote to education, experience, and excellence

[Harry Lavo]

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous recordings
while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a newsgroup where
this
sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound quality? RAO?

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word
"music"
in its name.

Or "audio."

Stephen

Yes, but "audio" includes electrical engineering which is primarily what
Arnold is interested in, while music does not. Arny has already declared
that music is irrelevant. Why are you questioning this?

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a
newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical artistic/administrative
question?

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message


Yes, but "audio" includes electrical engineering which is
primarily what Arnold is interested in, while music does
not.

Delusions of omnisicence noted. Harry thinks he can read my mind and discern
my attitudes about music.

Arny has already declared that music is irrelevant.

That's either ignornace or a lie. Harry, are you a big liar or are you
just that ignorant?

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message
.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a
newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical artistic/administrative
question?

Yes.

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message
.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering
16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now
only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much
on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their
sound (in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly
recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a
newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong. It's completely a musical artistic/administrative question given that
we have so many forms of digital media that are sonically transparent.

Just remember that not all media is as badly audibly flawed as the vinyl
LP.

[George M. Middius[_2_]]

Arnii "Are you making fun of me? That's my job!" Krooger whined:

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an[sic] musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong.

Let's do a quick functionality test on your wetware, Turdy.

• self-awareness on "OFF"?
Check!

• irony detector on "BLACK HOLE"?
Check!

• auto-contradiction on "MAX"?
Check!


OK, looks like you're ready to march into battle, Arnii. Don't take any
wooden CDs. ;-)





--


Krooscience: the antidote to education, experience, and excellence

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message
.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering
16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now
only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much
on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their
sound (in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly
recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a
newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong. It's completely a musical artistic/administrative question given
that we have so many forms of digital media that are sonically
transparent.

Just remember that not all media is as badly audibly flawed as the vinyl
LP.

Once again, Arny "assumes" the answer, despite a large number of
professional sound people who disagree with him. When challenged, he will
cite a) "science is on my side", b) his college ee textbooks citing that "96
db is enough", c) his pcm-only abx website. But he won't provide any hard
evidence, because he has never done a bonafide listening test of audio
components comparing CD to any hi-rez system, and based on scarcity of
comment, it is doubtful that he has done even any informal but careful
listening testing using native DSD (although while not the best his Sony
C775 and his system should be adequate to reveal it).

[Jenn]

In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

y.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a
newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical artistic/administrative
question?

Yes.

Stephen, Arnold evidently doesn't understand that the audio hobby is not
technical questions alone. I won't strike back with a silly insult such
as his "if you think real hard", but he might find other newsgroups that
fit his preferences. He might discern the orientation of those groups
by the word "technical" in the name. How odd that someone would go out
of his way to attempt to control the topics discussed in a newsgroup
whose name includes such broad terms as "audio" and "opinion".

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message

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"MiNe 109" wrote in message

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Krueger" wrote:
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My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs,
covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't
have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a
full set. I sure love these works. The present
LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus
complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs
have never appeared much on the "Super Recordings"
lists, but I find their sound (in general) to be
very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that
I might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could
find a newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong. It's completely a musical artistic/administrative
question given that we have so many forms of digital
media that are sonically transparent.

Just remember that not all media is as badly audibly flawed as the vinyl
LP.

Once again, Arny "assumes" the answer, despite a large
number of professional sound people who disagree with
him.

Harry, since when have you been a technically superior authority as compared
to the JAES?

When challenged, he will cite a) "science is on my side",

Harry can't directly refute the scientific explanations that I've presented.

b) his college ee textbooks citing that "96 db is enough",

I've never seen any such thing in a college texdtbook, but if Harry wants to
clear his name, he could cite one just to prove that he hasn't been caught
in yet another like.

c) his pcm-only abx website.

Given that SACD has failed so thoroughly in the marketplace, why should I
invest more good money in SACD hardware,or ask others to make the same
mistake that I did?

But he won't provide any hard evidence,

Harry's lying again. I've provided plenty evidence. He's never directly
refuted it.

because he has never done a
bonafide listening test of audio components comparing CD
to any hi-rez system,

Yet another lie. In fact I was listening to a 9.2 hi-rez system on Saturday
night, and that was hardly the first. I have done extensive controlled
listening tests on a system that runs cleanly up to 24/192.

and based on scarcity of comment,
it is doubtful that he has done even any informal but
careful listening testing using native DSD (although
while not the best his Sony C775 and his system should be
adequate to reveal it).

Where did I say I had a Sony C775?

This has to be another one of Harry's delusions.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in
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In article
,
MiNe 109 wrote:

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

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, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

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y.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs,
covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't
have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a full
set. I sure love these works. The present LPs are
from the Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete
edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never
appeared much on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I
find their sound (in general) to be very, very,
natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find
a newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Stephen, Arnold evidently doesn't understand that the
audio hobby is not technical questions alone.

I do understand that the preceeding collection of words doesn't make any
sense. Maybe the Middiot can help her with the rewrite.

[George M. Middius[_2_]]

Jenn said:

Stephen, Arnold evidently doesn't understand that the audio hobby is not
technical questions alone. I won't strike back with a silly insult such
as his "if you think real hard", but he might find other newsgroups that
fit his preferences. He might discern the orientation of those groups
by the word "technical" in the name. How odd that someone would go out
of his way to attempt to control the topics discussed in a newsgroup
whose name includes such broad terms as "audio" and "opinion".

Arnii has been to the technical groups many times. He puffs out his
scrawny chest just like he does on opinion groups. Among technically savvy
people, though, the Krooborg is easily spotted as a total poseur. He ends
up getting the same "humiliation" (which he craves) as he does on RAO.

The Krooborg is a problem without a solution.




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[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:
"MiNe 109" wrote in
message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
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My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs,
covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't
have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a
full set. I sure love these works. The present
LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus
complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs
have never appeared much on the "Super Recordings"
lists, but I find their sound (in general) to be
very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that
I might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could
find a newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong. It's completely a musical artistic/administrative
question given that we have so many forms of digital
media that are sonically transparent.

Just remember that not all media is as badly audibly flawed as the vinyl
LP.

Once again, Arny "assumes" the answer, despite a large
number of professional sound people who disagree with
him.

Harry, since when have you been a technically superior authority as
compared to the JAES?

When challenged, he will cite a) "science is on my side",

Harry can't directly refute the scientific explanations that I've
presented.

You have provided "accepted" knowledge, for example the "limits" of hearing
in dynamic range and frequency response..and even here when challenged you
simply fall back on orthodoxy. But you refuse to consider other factors
that seem operational, such as the superior transient response that should
be (according to science) and is (according to listening) audible on these
high-rez systems. Perhaps because the former are part of ee orthodoxy,
while the latter is of interest only from an audio standpoint and hasn't
been thoroughly explored by the scientifc community.


b) his college ee textbooks citing that "96 db is enough",

I've never seen any such thing in a college texdtbook, but if Harry wants
to clear his name, he could cite one just to prove that he hasn't been
caught in yet another like.

I was being retorical. You've certainly cited the 96db dynamic range as
"more than adequate" often enough, and presented it as settled "science"
despite others who claim that audibility extends to -120db in the critical
ear-sensitive area that may be / probably is applicable to listening to
music. If you grant the -120, which will you will do on narrow frequency,
then you can't say that 96db is "more than adequate" to hear differences in
musical reproduction without direct proof.


c) his pcm-only abx website.

Given that SACD has failed so thoroughly in the marketplace, why should I
invest more good money in SACD hardware,or ask others to make the same
mistake that I did?

In other words, Arny, you are happy with inadequate testing measures because
your personal biases don't demand scientific proof. Despite many people
pointing out the inadquacy of your proposed "testing" for discerning the
effects of hi-rez reproduction. And this has happened here on this forum,
on RAHE, on RAP, on RAT.


But he won't provide any hard evidence,

Harry's lying again. I've provided plenty evidence. He's never directly
refuted it.

No "evidence", Arny. None. Zip. Zilch. "Evidence" is the result of a
carefully done, fully vetted and peer-reviewed piece of research. Not your
vague antecdotes that you and others have done it hundreds if not thousands
of times.


because he has never done a
bonafide listening test of audio components comparing CD
to any hi-rez system,

Yet another lie. In fact I was listening to a 9.2 hi-rez system on
Saturday night, and that was hardly the first. I have done extensive
controlled listening tests on a system that runs cleanly up to 24/192.

Well, then you were listening to a system at the cutting edge. Was it DSD
(4x SACD DSD)? And if so, why were you listening since you already know you
can't here a difference? Can you describe the conditions of the listening,
and what you were comparing it to, and with whom, under what condistions,
using what protocols, listening to what music. Etc. I and others have done
all that even when relating anecdotal but careful listening comparisons.
You don't deign to share with us??

And so long as I have participated in the same newsgroups with you on usenet
(about ten years now) I have never *once* heard you give the details of a
"scientific" controlled listening test at 192/24. Why not? What is so
secretive that you can't "publish" your test protocols, equipment, music,
and results? Perhaps then you'd have more credibility for you "claims".

and based on scarcity of comment,
it is doubtful that he has done even any informal but
careful listening testing using native DSD (although
while not the best his Sony C775 and his system should be
adequate to reveal it).

See my comments above about listening tests.

As for the C775, perhaps it came from this exchange on April 27, 2006 where
you didn't deny my assertion:

**************************
AK: "how many SACD players you've had and what your total investment in
them
was"
HL: And one bedroom machine I
bought used for $50 (the one I believe you own...a Sony C775). Bought
both Sony ES machines new for a total of $600 (about $1000 MSLP). I
bought the second only because the first began to develop the dread Sony
"skip"...and it is currently packed ready for shipment to the factory
repair shop.

AK: Harry I didn't ask you how many SACD players broke on you, I asked:

"how many SACD players you've had and what your total investment in them
was"
*******************************

Where did I say I had a Sony C775?

Well, it wasn't before May 3, 2003 on this forum where you had the following
exchange with John Atkinson:

*********************************

JA: And I have to ask, Mr. Krueger, given the scorn you have expressed on
my opinions, the belligerent nature of your post, and your apparently
unthinking dismissal of my comments, what such comparisons have _you_
performed between DSD data and LPCM? Suitable A/D converters, SACD
players, and D/A converters are readily available.

AK: SACD equipment is available but it isn't free, at least to me.



JA:Not to me either, Mr. Krueger. While in the past I have done some
experiments with SACD players that passed through my test lab while
preparing magazine reviews, I purchased the SACD player I have been
using for these more recent experiments.


AK: I don't see any point to *evaluating* SACD using some of the
budget-priced equipment that has barely more dynamic range than a good CD
player. I can't see buying a SOTA SACD player on my own nickle [sic].

JA:In which case, Mr. Krueger, I think it logical to point out that you
can't legitimately express an opinion on the sound of SACD players and
DSD encoding until you _have_ acquired a player.

************************


Oh, so...perhaps it came from this exchange on which my April 25 2006 memory
was based:




This has to be another one of Harry's delusions.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

y.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering
16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now
only have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure
love these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much
on the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their
sound (in general) to be very, very, natural. Highly
recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a
newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong.

And right.

It's completely a musical artistic/administrative question given that
we have so many forms of digital media that are sonically transparent.

These are legacy recordings from the 60s on lp.

Just remember that not all media is as badly audibly flawed as the vinyl
LP.

Good to know that mic placement doesn't affect sound quality, unless you
have a new kind of recording that doesn't require mics.

Stephen

[MiNe 109]

In article

om,
Jenn wrote:


Stephen, Arnold evidently doesn't understand that the audio hobby is not
technical questions alone. I won't strike back with a silly insult such
as his "if you think real hard", but he might find other newsgroups that
fit his preferences. He might discern the orientation of those groups
by the word "technical" in the name. How odd that someone would go out
of his way to attempt to control the topics discussed in a newsgroup
whose name includes such broad terms as "audio" and "opinion".

Go figure. I guess he woke up wearing the cranky pants.

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_2_]]

MiNe 109 said:

[Krooger]

Go figure. I guess he woke up wearing the cranky pants.

Also, yesterday was church day.



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[[email protected]]

On Mar 12, 9:04 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message







"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:
"MiNe 109" wrote in
message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message
.
net
My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs,
covering 16 cantatas, including 13 that I didn't
have. I now only have about 18 to go to have a
full set. I sure love these works. The present
LPs are from the Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus
complete edition on Telefunken. Telefunken LPs
have never appeared much on the "Super Recordings"
lists, but I find their sound (in general) to be
very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that
I might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could
find a newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Wrong. It's completely a musical artistic/administrative
question given that we have so many forms of digital
media that are sonically transparent.

Just remember that not all media is as badly audibly flawed as the vinyl
LP.

Once again, Arny "assumes" the answer, despite a large
number of professional sound people who disagree with
him.

Harry, since when have you been a technically superior authority as compared
to the JAES?

When challenged, he will cite a) "science is on my side",

Harry can't directly refute the scientific explanations that I've presented.

b) his college ee textbooks citing that "96 db is enough",

I've never seen any such thing in a college texdtbook, but if Harry wants to
clear his name, he could cite one just to prove that he hasn't been caught
in yet another like.

c) his pcm-only abx website.

Given that SACD has failed so thoroughly in the marketplace, why should I
invest more good money in SACD hardware,or ask others to make the same
mistake that I did?

But he won't provide any hard evidence,

Harry's lying again. I've provided plenty evidence. He's never directly
refuted it.

because he has never done a
bonafide listening test of audio components comparing CD
to any hi-rez system,

Yet another lie. In fact I was listening to a 9.2 hi-rez system on Saturday
night, and that was hardly the first. I have done extensive controlled
listening tests on a system that runs cleanly up to 24/192.

and based on scarcity of comment,
it is doubtful that he has done even any informal but
careful listening testing using native DSD (although
while not the best his Sony C775 and his system should be
adequate to reveal it).

Where did I say I had a Sony C775?

This has to be another one of Harry's delusions.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
==============================

Harry, since when have you been a technically superior authority as
compared
to the JAES?

Once again Krueger comes out fighting to quote a JAES pronouncement
that he saw in his dreams. Not only "science" but JAES are on his
side. So clearly that they never published an article of his
supporting his kindergarten listening "6est" - the ABX.

JAES made an official statement supporting him against Harery!!! This
is not simple mendacity and stupidity.- he seems to believe his
fantasies. The psychiatric term is delusions.
Ludovic Mirabel

[dizzy]

Harry Lavo wrote:

b) his college ee textbooks citing that "96 db is enough",

I've never seen any such thing in a college texdtbook, but if Harry wants
to clear his name, he could cite one just to prove that he hasn't been
caught in yet another like.

I was being retorical. You've certainly cited the 96db dynamic range as
"more than adequate" often enough, and presented it as settled "science"
despite others who claim that audibility extends to -120db in the critical
ear-sensitive area that may be / probably is applicable to listening to
music. If you grant the -120, which will you will do on narrow frequency,
then you can't say that 96db is "more than adequate" to hear differences in
musical reproduction without direct proof.

96dB is enough. Anyone who says otherwise is a fruitcake.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 12, 5:51 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in


My Bach Cantata project took several steps forward
yesterday when I received in the mail 8 LPs, covering 16
cantatas, including 13 that I didn't have. I now only
have about 18 to go to have a full set. I sure love
these works. The present LPs are from the
Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus complete edition on
Telefunken. Telefunken LPs have never appeared much on
the "Super Recordings" lists, but I find their sound (in
general) to be very, very, natural. Highly recommended.

It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous recordings
while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a newsgroup where this
sort of post is on-topic.

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word "music"
in its name.

=====================

More Kruegerisms:

Jenn writes about her favourite Bach recordings: Krueger retorts:
Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find a newsgroup where this
sort of post is on-topic.

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word "music"
in its name

I see; "Audio" is not about music reproduction. It is about hearing
aids for musically handicapped. That is why he posts here so often.
Ludovic Mirabel

[George M. Middius]

Ludovich said to The Big ****:

Hint: That newsgroup that you are searching for might have the word "music"
in its name

I see; "Audio" is not about music reproduction. It is about hearing
aids for musically handicapped. That is why he posts here so often.

Now you're getting it. Repeat after Arnii: "Music is irrelevant. Computers
will assimilate all other electronics. Tests are all-consuming. Listening
to music is futile."

You, too, can become a 'borg. It only takes millions of repetitions of
simplistic, antihuman bromides.





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[paul packer]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:49:30 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

That's either ignornace or a lie. Harry, are you a big liar or are you
just that ignorant?

Well, it's definitely not ignornace.

[Harry Lavo]

Here is the completion of my post, which I intevertently sent off before
completion rather than hitting "save".


"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

snip, to focus on completion of post


As for the C775, perhaps it came from this exchange on April 27, 2006
where you didn't deny my assertion:

**************************
AK: "how many SACD players you've had and what your total investment in
them
was"
HL: And one bedroom machine I
bought used for $50 (the one I believe you own...a Sony C775). Bought
both Sony ES machines new for a total of $600 (about $1000 MSLP). I
bought the second only because the first began to develop the dread Sony
"skip"...and it is currently packed ready for shipment to the factory
repair shop.

AK: Harry I didn't ask you how many SACD players broke on you, I asked:

"how many SACD players you've had and what your total investment in them
was"
*******************************

Where did I say I had a Sony C775?

Well, it wasn't before May 3, 2003 on this forum where you had the
following exchange with John Atkinson:

*********************************

JA: And I have to ask, Mr. Krueger, given the scorn you have expressed
on
my opinions, the belligerent nature of your post, and your apparently
unthinking dismissal of my comments, what such comparisons have _you_
performed between DSD data and LPCM? Suitable A/D converters, SACD
players, and D/A converters are readily available.

AK: SACD equipment is available but it isn't free, at least to me.



JA:Not to me either, Mr. Krueger. While in the past I have done some
experiments with SACD players that passed through my test lab while
preparing magazine reviews, I purchased the SACD player I have been
using for these more recent experiments.


AK: I don't see any point to *evaluating* SACD using some of the
budget-priced equipment that has barely more dynamic range than a good CD
player. I can't see buying a SOTA SACD player on my own nickle [sic].

JA:In which case, Mr. Krueger, I think it logical to point out that you
can't legitimately express an opinion on the sound of SACD players and
DSD encoding until you _have_ acquired a player.

************************


Oh, so...perhaps it came from this exchange on which my April 25 2006
memory was based:

Krueger reply to Trevor, 12/4/04
"I replaced it (defunct DVD player) with something a little more elegant -
it cost me about $125. "

Sony ns595? That's the unit that replaced the 775 as Sony's entry-level
SACD.

9/1/06 RAO

HLFWIW, Arny has an inexpensive SACD player. I have not heard him say a
word
about a SACD comparison....don't even know if he owns any SACDs. Says he
only bought it because he needed another CD player. But interestingly
enough, only after I and others on RAHE rediculed him for blasting SACD
without ever hearing it.





This has to be another one of Harry's delusions.

[paul packer]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:06:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


It's almost 80 degrees here today, but I think that I
might stay inside and listen to these fabulous
recordings while doing my taxes ;-)

Maybe if you think real hard Jennifer, you could find
a newsgroup where this sort of post is on-topic.

Discussing a record label in terms of recorded sound
quality? RAO?

Is the SQ of recordings a technical or an musical
artistic/administrative question?

Yes.

Stephen, Arnold evidently doesn't understand that the
audio hobby is not technical questions alone.

I do understand that the preceeding collection of words doesn't make any
sense. Maybe the Middiot can help her with the rewrite.

Arnold, I believe you've betrayed an attitude in this thread that
you've oft been accused of and just as oft (I love using that word,
even wrongly) denied: namely, that RAO is a technical forum, and
anyone contributing to it should be technically qualified. Remember
our conversations on this subject? You usually slide out of making
this claim outright, but this time I believe you've as good as done so
and thus deserve everything you get, which is, or should be, a heavy
hit over the head with a book on music appreciation.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Arnold, I believe you've betrayed an attitude in this thread that
you've oft been accused of and just as oft (I love using that word,
even wrongly) denied: namely, that RAO is a technical forum, and
anyone contributing to it should be technically qualified. Remember
our conversations on this subject? You usually slide out of making
this claim outright, but this time I believe you've as good as done so
and thus deserve everything you get, which is, or should be, a heavy
hit over the head with a book on music appreciation.

You might as well tell Krooger his entire existence is pointless. It's
obvious, a truism even, but he's much too crazy to understand.





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