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RIP: Boston singer Brad Delp
"Boston lead singer found dead in his home"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ |
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Ben Bradley wrote: "Boston lead singer found dead in his home" http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com |
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david correia wrote:
In article , Ben Bradley wrote: "Boston lead singer found dead in his home" http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I just got in from the gig and I see this... what a drag, great guy, great vocal range, impeccable control. Very sad indeed... Boston was the biggest thing when I was growing up in New England. |
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RIP: Boston singer Brad Delp
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... david correia wrote: In article , Ben Bradley wrote: "Boston lead singer found dead in his home" http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I just got in from the gig and I see this... what a drag, great guy, great vocal range, impeccable control. Very sad indeed... Boston was the biggest thing when I was growing up in New England. Anyone who's heard him in recent years can tell you he still had awesome vocal abilities. In fact, Boston had been planning a tour this year, as well as releasing another album in the near future. I'm a big Boston fan and was in utter schock when I got the news yesterday. |
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RIP: Boston singer Brad Delp
Scott Smith wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... david correia wrote: In article , Ben Bradley wrote: "Boston lead singer found dead in his home" http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I just got in from the gig and I see this... what a drag, great guy, great vocal range, impeccable control. Very sad indeed... Boston was the biggest thing when I was growing up in New England. Anyone who's heard him in recent years can tell you he still had awesome vocal abilities. In fact, Boston had been planning a tour this year, as well as releasing another album in the near future. I'm a big Boston fan and was in utter schock when I got the news yesterday. Search for "Beatlejuice" on YouTube. Good stuff. Sad to hear about Brad. -- Les Cargill |
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RIP: Boston singer Brad Delp
"We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I just got in from the gig and I see this... what a drag, great guy, great vocal range, impeccable control. Very sad indeed... Boston was the biggest thing when I was growing up in New England. Anyone who's heard him in recent years can tell you he still had awesome vocal abilities. In fact, Boston had been planning a tour this year, as well as releasing another album in the near future. I'm a big Boston fan and was in utter schock when I got the news yesterday. I know this sounds corny, but in high school, my friends and I used to shoot baskets in the driveway and listen to Boston. We loved the vocals and of course the collaborative results heard in the recordings were just amazing. To be truthful, I always wondered if those guys hadn't cheated and slowed down the multi-track so Brad could hit such high notes and with such a natural tone! :-) To have read that Brad was a genuinely good person and remained so instead of becoming another casualty of fame or the rock life style made the news sadder. On a lighter note, in Dallas, for the grand opening of a Peaches record store there back in the 70's, some of the Boston members wrote their names in the sidewalk, along with a bunch of other well known recording artists at the time. I don't know, maybe it was Schultz, but to a young man of 18, which I was at the time, the message was kind of funny for sidewalk philosophy: "Life is like a **** sandwich. The bread you make, the less **** you eat." Skler |
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RIP: Boston singer Brad Delp DANG
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On a lighter note, in Dallas, for the grand opening of a Peaches record store there back in the 70's, some of the Boston members wrote their names in the sidewalk, along with a bunch of other well known recording artists at the time. I don't know, maybe it was Schultz, but to a young man of 18, Sorry, it's "Scholtz", isn't it? :-) which I was at the time, the message was kind of funny for sidewalk philosophy: "Life is like a **** sandwich. The bread you make, the less **** you eat." Skler I'm sure you can read between the lines, but it's supposed to be: ************************************************** **** "Life is **** sandwich. The more bread you make, the less **** you eat." ************************************************** **** Something like that... Skler "Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex." Frank Zappa |
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Skler wrote:
"We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I just got in from the gig and I see this... what a drag, great guy, great vocal range, impeccable control. Very sad indeed... Boston was the biggest thing when I was growing up in New England. Anyone who's heard him in recent years can tell you he still had awesome vocal abilities. In fact, Boston had been planning a tour this year, as well as releasing another album in the near future. I'm a big Boston fan and was in utter schock when I got the news yesterday. I know this sounds corny, but in high school, my friends and I used to shoot baskets in the driveway and listen to Boston. We loved the vocals and of course the collaborative results heard in the recordings were just amazing. To be truthful, I always wondered if those guys hadn't cheated and slowed down the multi-track so Brad could hit such high notes and with such a natural tone! :-) To have read that Brad was a genuinely good person and remained so instead of becoming another casualty of fame or the rock life style made the news sadder. On a lighter note, in Dallas, for the grand opening of a Peaches record store there back in the 70's, some of the Boston members wrote their names in the sidewalk, along with a bunch of other well known recording artists at the time. I don't know, maybe it was Schultz, but to a young man of 18, which I was at the time, the message was kind of funny for sidewalk philosophy: "Life is like a **** sandwich. The bread you make, the less **** you eat." Skler Was this the Peaches on Fitzhugh, just west of Central Expressway? I remember that store! Remember the "Dallas 6 finger?" |
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"Skler" wrote in message ... "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ The quote from the Boston website is no hyperbole. Brad was living proof that Rock Star Success doesn't **** up everyone it touches. He will be missed by many people in this neck of the woods. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I just got in from the gig and I see this... what a drag, great guy, great vocal range, impeccable control. Very sad indeed... Boston was the biggest thing when I was growing up in New England. Anyone who's heard him in recent years can tell you he still had awesome vocal abilities. In fact, Boston had been planning a tour this year, as well as releasing another album in the near future. I'm a big Boston fan and was in utter schock when I got the news yesterday. I know this sounds corny, but in high school, my friends and I used to shoot baskets in the driveway and listen to Boston. We loved the vocals and of course the collaborative results heard in the recordings were just amazing. To be truthful, I always wondered if those guys hadn't cheated and slowed down the multi-track so Brad could hit such high notes and with such a natural tone! No cheating. He actually hit those notes. |
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Delp's death a suicide
On Mar 14, 7:23 pm, soundhaspriority wrote:
In article , "J.C. Scott" wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ He's my hero. I'm thinking this might be a good plan. Delp's life, like mine, has reached a dead end with nothing more to contribute. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 =============================== I can not believe trhat this posting is authentic. Ludovic Mirabel A |
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I can not believe trhat this posting is authentic. You don't need to trust your beliefs. You can read the headers and know for sure. |
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On Mar 14, 10:49 pm, " wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:23 pm, soundhaspriority wrote: In article , "J.C. Scott" wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ He's my hero. I'm thinking this might be a good plan. Delp's life, like mine, has reached a dead end with nothing more to contribute. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 =============================== I can not believe trhat this posting is authentic. Ludovic Mirabel A Those of us who have the entire Morein coterie killfiled only see this crap when some poor benighted fool (that would be you) answers it. Leave it the hell alone, please. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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ups.com On Mar 14, 7:23 pm, soundhaspriority wrote: In article , "J.C. Scott" wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ He's my hero. I'm thinking this might be a good plan. Delp's life, like mine, has reached a dead end with nothing more to contribute. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 =============================== I can not believe trhat this posting is authentic. Ludovic Mirabel I can't believe that you even had to ask, Mirabel. Thanks for giving more evidence about how intellectually challenged you have become. |
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RIP: Boston singer Brad Delp
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 05:23:59 GMT, Ben Bradley
wrote: "Boston lead singer found dead in his home" http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll." http://www.bandboston.com/ Tom Sholz has written some thoughts on the Boston website, both a paragraph at the top, and several more for Rolling Stone (scroll down). It's all very positive. I decided to paste it below. http://www.bandboston.com/ As you all know by now, BOSTON'S lead singer, Brad Delp, was found dead in his home on Friday, March 9th 2007. Plans for live BOSTON performances this summer have, of course, been cancelled. My heart goes out to his wonderful fiance Pamela, his two children and other family members, his close friends and band mates, and to the millions of people whose lives were made a little brighter by the sound of his voice. He will be dearly missed. Tom Scholz Rolling Stone writer Andy Greene has asked me for some recollections about my experiences with Brad. An edited version of the reply I sent him appeared on rollingstone.com with questions inserted in the text. Here is the complete unedited note I sent to Andy: Andy, Thanks you for allowing me to answer your questions by e-mail. I haven't been in the mood to talk to talk to people much for the last few days as you might imagine, but I appreciate you turning to me for this. Brad and I were friends and collaborators for 35 years. Both of us being vegetarians, non-drug users and more interested in music than money, put us in a very small minority in the music business; our bond ran much deeper than just BOSTON music. In answer to your questions: I met Brad, soft spoken and unassuming, when he auditioned in a recording studio outside of Boston one night to sing several songs I had written. Back then in the early seventies recording a song demo meant coming up with a significant amount of money, several weeks of my day job savings, to buy a few hours of 8 track time. Having endured countless sessions with other singers, most with undeserved egos, I had only the faintest glimmer of hope that he might be good enough to squeak by as a suitable vocalist. He didn't warm up; he just listened to the prerecorded instrument track once. Then he started to sing. I don't know if it took two seconds or three, but before he finished singing the first line I knew that some guardian angel had just delivered to me one of the best vocalists ever to step up to a microphone! Then he kept going and I realized he wasn't just one of the best, he was amazing! High notes I hadn't heard before followed by harmonies, and overdubbed exact duplicate layered tracks, all with ease, all with emotion, and yet all technically precise. Before we left that night he had rewritten the lyrics and the melody, sung all the vocal parts, and with the magic of his voice turned my stark guitar riff into a song! From that moment on I only hoped I could write and record music worthy of his attention and interpretation. There were soulful notes that pulled you into the song, stratospheric screams and angelic high notes, and after hitting these record breaking notes he'd go back and sing a harmony part above it! He didn't rehearse any of these parts, he could jump back and forth between harmony parts, double tracking parts, and then go back and do it again exactly the same with one tiny change, adjusting all the other singing parts to fit with bionic accuracy. You'd think anyone with this super human talent would be an insufferable egomaniac. But Brad was just the opposite, and amazingly he remained honestly humble in spite of the incredible star pressure that followed BOSTON's success. Brad and I banged our heads against the wall trying to get a break with record companies for five years. During that time he and I did a lot of basement recording; we received absolutely zero recognition locally and complete rejection submitting our demos to national record labels. I think this experience put our future success in perspective as we both realized that after so many years of insult, we were just very lucky to be able to record and play music above ground! Unlike many other individuals eventually involved with BOSTON, Brad's down to earth personality never wavered; it was his natural demeanor. When someone asked me what Brad was like, the first words that always came to mind were "nice guy." Oddly, his incredible performing abilities seem barely worth mentioning compared to his attributes as a human being. He was soft spoken yet very quick and funny. Although I rarely remember seeing him in the throws of a good belly laugh, he could keep the people around him in stitches effortlessly, and did so on a daily basis. When he wasn't making someone laugh, or giving his time to a fan, he was a tireless worker, both in the studio and on stage. He and I had a very strong personal connection because of our moral beliefs, yet we were drastically different kinds of people. While I am rebellious and easily provoked to an unyielding defense, Brad was passive and studiously non confrontational. Somehow over the years I think we both grew not only to accept this in each other, but to respect it; I think this is part of the reason we were able to work together for so much of our lives. In an odd parallel we were also opposites in the studio. Once Brad would laid down a vocal track he became instantly committed to it and would dig in if challenged, whereas I would want to change everything and never be sure. We were usually at odds on how vocal arrangements should go also, which in early years caused heated debates. Later we both developed such respect for each other's abilities that the collaboration, so important to the eventual outcome of BOSTON's music, became much easier. It was largely my music, but it was Brad who brought it to life, and this struggle we both had to endure was part of what made it so many people's favorite. I last saw Brad at rehearsal last month where we prepared several old and new songs for our upcoming summer shows. These are my fondest memories, playing music with my friend and the greatest singer in rock and roll. Andy, Brad and I have been used and abused throughout our adult life by the music business, it continues even in his death. Please do the right thing with this. Sorry I wrote you a tome. Tom Scholz |
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"soundhaspriority" wrote in message ... In article , "J.C. Scott" wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ He's my hero. I'm thinking this might be a good plan. Delp's life, like mine, has reached a dead end with nothing more to contribute. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Sad. Very sad. -David |
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David Axt wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Sad. Very sad. No doubt. |
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David Axt wrote:
This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. Maybe we shouldn't get too serious about it. We might all get depressed. geoff |
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"David Axt" daxtATpacifierDOTcom wrote in message ... This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. I wish Arny would. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. or even plague usenet newsgroups.......... Phildo |
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dizzy wrote:
David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Actually, there are lot's of people surrounded by loved ones that are very lonely inside. They don't see things the way you and I may see them, this kind of depression is hard to understand. |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote:
David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Agreed, sad. Sad. Very sad. No doubt. |
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"PeterD" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak"
wrote: Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. There's growing medical opinion that regular physical exercise is much more effective than prescription drugs in treating depression. Talking therapies help some people |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote ... On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak" wrote: Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. There's growing medical opinion that regular physical exercise is much more effective than prescription drugs in treating depression. Talking therapies help some people i think that they are refering to acute depression, not clinical depression. short term depression such as SAD, which goes away in the spring or with light therapy would be acute... But clinical depression is something that never goes away without intervention, usually a combo of meds, behavior modification, and group support. The problem is that when someone starts to feel better, they can think they no longer need the meds, so they stop taking them. The rebound depression can take some folks over the edge. I know, I lost a cousin to depression, a couple of friends and now Brad, who was a friend also. until someone has actually dealt with depression, it's hard to understand what the word represents. it's not just a moment of being sad, that happens to everyone in life... depression changes thought processes, and makes a person see life as tooo much of a struggle, or lowers their self-esteem to the point where they just want to leave the world, and stop being a burden to everyone. add in some anxiety attacks, or moments of manic activity, and well, it's a recipe for disaster. just my 2 cents lynn |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak"
wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions Huh? |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:58:12 -0500, "lightlady"
wrote: i think that they are refering to acute depression, not clinical depression. short term depression such as SAD, which goes away in the spring or with light therapy would be acute... But clinical depression is something that never goes away without intervention, usually a combo of meds, behavior modification, and group support. The problem is that when someone starts to feel better, they can think they no longer need the meds, so they stop taking them. The rebound depression can take some folks over the edge. I know, I lost a cousin to depression, a couple of friends and now Brad, who was a friend also. until someone has actually dealt with depression, it's hard to understand what the word represents. it's not just a moment of being sad, that happens to everyone in life... depression changes thought processes, and makes a person see life as tooo much of a struggle, or lowers their self-esteem to the point where they just want to leave the world, and stop being a burden to everyone. add in some anxiety attacks, or moments of manic activity, and well, it's a recipe for disaster. just my 2 cents lynn And a good two cents worth, at that. |
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On 2007-03-17, PeterD wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions Huh? Second that. I know for a fact that treatment is available even for the indigent -- I know someone who receives it. And not that many of us are in that extreme condition. One big problem for many people who suffer depression is they self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs, which exacerbates the money problem and doesn't ultimately help the depression. I have been broke and hungry and ten miles from nowhere, and I have been high on the hog, and halfway in between. The feelings are the same. I prefer rich to poor, I guess, but money is not the be-all and end-all. -- Mike Heins Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet. -- unknown |
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"Mike Heins" wrote in message ... On 2007-03-17, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions Huh? Second that. I know for a fact that treatment is available even for the indigent -- I know someone who receives it. And not that many of us are in that extreme condition. One big problem for many people who suffer depression is they self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs, which exacerbates the money problem and doesn't ultimately help the depression. I have been broke and hungry and ten miles from nowhere, and I have been high on the hog, and halfway in between. The feelings are the same. I prefer rich to poor, I guess, but money is not the be-all and end-all. -- Mike Heins Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet. -- unknown While in the USA at least, help is available for the indigent, I just had a friend go thru an episode that lasted several years. There were only 4 depression drugs available thru the mental health center if you are indigent.- Prozac, effexor, wellbutrin and Paxil. If none of those work for you you are SOL. I had to help him for a while to get prescriptions that did work for him. And the mental health system in the US is much better of than the regular health care system. You can get free care, good enough to work for some people. But quite a few still falling thru the cracks. Most people in the US are still trying to figure out why the homeless rate shot up when we emptied out the mental hospitals- we just took all the people who couldn't take care of themselves and dumped them on the street. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On 2007-03-17, liquidator wrote:
"Mike Heins" wrote in message ... On 2007-03-17, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions Huh? Second that. I know for a fact that treatment is available even for the indigent -- I know someone who receives it. And not that many of us are in that extreme condition. One big problem for many people who suffer depression is they self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs, which exacerbates the money problem and doesn't ultimately help the depression. I have been broke and hungry and ten miles from nowhere, and I have been high on the hog, and halfway in between. The feelings are the same. I prefer rich to poor, I guess, but money is not the be-all and end-all. While in the USA at least, help is available for the indigent, I just had a friend go thru an episode that lasted several years. There were only 4 depression drugs available thru the mental health center if you are indigent.- Prozac, effexor, wellbutrin and Paxil. If none of those work for you you are SOL. I disagree. You can find doctors who will prescribe others through Medicaid, and you should be able to find drugs like amytryptiline and others for reasonable prices -- less than $20 per month -- on that basis. I had to help him for a while to get prescriptions that did work for him. And the mental health system in the US is much better of than the regular health care system. You can get free care, good enough to work for some people. But quite a few still falling thru the cracks. When you find perfection anywhere, let me know. There is lots of help out there, and a large proportion of the problems I see in people is them not taking their meds. Most people in the US are still trying to figure out why the homeless rate shot up when we emptied out the mental hospitals- we just took all the people who couldn't take care of themselves and dumped them on the street. This is a known problem, of course. But to imply that everyone who was released from a mental hospital is homeless is ridiculous, and to imply that those people were left completely without resources is wrong as well. There are plenty of people who get along quite nicely outside mental hospitals, some in group homes, some on their own. There are certainly plenty of homeless, but I think you will find that drugs and alcohol are the problem for at least half of those. And that is a problem that has no easy solution as long as we are a culture that tolerates and winks at abuse of those substances. -- Mike Heins Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet. -- unknown |
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liquidator wrote: Most people in the US are still trying to figure out why the homeless rate shot up when we emptied out the mental hospitals- we just took all the people who couldn't take care of themselves and dumped them on the street. Same in the UK. It was benevolently called 'care in the community'. They omitted to mention that 'in the community' really meant 'under the railway arches'. Thatcher was responsible for that (as to be expected). Right wingers don't like 'wasting money' looking after loonies. Graham |
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"Mike Heins" wrote in message ... On 2007-03-17, liquidator wrote: "Mike Heins" wrote in message ... On 2007-03-17, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions Huh? Second that. I know for a fact that treatment is available even for the indigent -- I know someone who receives it. And not that many of us are in that extreme condition. One big problem for many people who suffer depression is they self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs, which exacerbates the money problem and doesn't ultimately help the depression. I have been broke and hungry and ten miles from nowhere, and I have been high on the hog, and halfway in between. The feelings are the same. I prefer rich to poor, I guess, but money is not the be-all and end-all. While in the USA at least, help is available for the indigent, I just had a friend go thru an episode that lasted several years. There were only 4 depression drugs available thru the mental health center if you are indigent.- Prozac, effexor, wellbutrin and Paxil. If none of those work for you you are SOL. I disagree. You can find doctors who will prescribe others through Medicaid, and you should be able to find drugs like amytryptiline and others for reasonable prices -- less than $20 per month -- on that basis. I had to help him for a while to get prescriptions that did work for him. And the mental health system in the US is much better of than the regular health care system. You can get free care, good enough to work for some people. But quite a few still falling thru the cracks. When you find perfection anywhere, let me know. There is lots of help out there, and a large proportion of the problems I see in people is them not taking their meds. Most people in the US are still trying to figure out why the homeless rate shot up when we emptied out the mental hospitals- we just took all the people who couldn't take care of themselves and dumped them on the street. This is a known problem, of course. But to imply that everyone who was released from a mental hospital is homeless is ridiculous, and to imply that those people were left completely without resources is wrong as well. There are plenty of people who get along quite nicely outside mental hospitals, some in group homes, some on their own. There are certainly plenty of homeless, but I think you will find that drugs and alcohol are the problem for at least half of those. And that is a problem that has no easy solution as long as we are a culture that tolerates and winks at abuse of those substances. -- Mike Heins Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet. -- unknown LOTS of indigents do not qualify for medicaid. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... liquidator wrote: Most people in the US are still trying to figure out why the homeless rate shot up when we emptied out the mental hospitals- we just took all the people who couldn't take care of themselves and dumped them on the street. Same in the UK. It was benevolently called 'care in the community'. They omitted to mention that 'in the community' really meant 'under the railway arches'. Thatcher was responsible for that (as to be expected). Right wingers don't like 'wasting money' looking after loonies. Graham I'm fiscally conservative, but socially somewhat liberal I suppose. I feel there is so much lawlessnes in many cases because,frankly, there's so much law. I am in favor of at least basic medical care for all. We don't have that in the US. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:49:21 -0400, "liquidator"
wrote: I am in favor of at least basic medical care for all. We don't have that in the US. No, and frankly I think you should hang your heads in shame. The richest country in the world...... |
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"Mike Heins" wrote in message ... When you find perfection anywhere, let me know. I have her phone number ;-) There is lots of help out there, and a large proportion of the problems I see in people is them not taking their meds. Have to agree there. I have a friend who has been in and out of institutions most of her life. With her she relapses when she gets back on the weed but I've seen several of her friends stop taking their meds and a few weeks later they are back inside. By the way, just read a very scary book on bioethics - "Culture of Death: The Assault on Medical Ethics in America" by Wesley J. Smith. If you think the medical system sucks now then read this book and do everything you can to stop this increasingly popular way of thinking before it gets accepted. Phildo |
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On Mar 18, 5:57 am, (paul packer) wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:49:21 -0400, "liquidator" wrote: I am in favor of at least basic medical care for all. We don't have that in the US. No, and frankly I think you should hang your heads in shame. The richest country in the world...... That's a pretty progressive stance for a conservative (US version) to take...:-) |
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On 18 Mar 2007 16:46:38 -0700, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote: On Mar 18, 5:57 am, (paul packer) wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:49:21 -0400, "liquidator" wrote: I am in favor of at least basic medical care for all. We don't have that in the US. No, and frankly I think you should hang your heads in shame. The richest country in the world...... That's a pretty progressive stance for a conservative (US version) to take...:-) Glad you said that. It gives me a chance to point out what I should've pointed out long ago, that I don't follow party lines but judge each issue on its merits. So if you think you know what I'm going to say about any given issue, you'll probably be wrong. Sorry to be so unpredictable. :-) |
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On Mar 17, 9:16 am, Mike Heins wrote:
On 2007-03-17, liquidator wrote: "Mike Heins" wrote in message ... On 2007-03-17, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:11:55 GMT, "Michael Wozniak" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:03:17 GMT, dizzy wrote: David Axt wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/ This country has got to get serious about mental illness and depression. It's a serious disease that needs to be treated or the patient may die. This article also points out that you can have it all yet still be miserable. Well, I don't know if they guy "had it all", but he did have a fiance... Not sure how one can be a "lonely soul" while being engaged to be married... Saying "lonely soul" doesn't cover depression. Depression is a chemical problem (primarily) and what one has both material and non-material doesn't matter one bit... Oh, really? Have you ever tried to treat it without any material resources? Without money for medical care, therapy or drugs? Without social support? Many people have to deal with such a reality every day. Having 'everything' obviously is no guarantee for full recovery, but it makes things a hell of a lot easier. When you are willing to give up everything you own and everyone you know, and successfully treat depression, then you can make that statement. Mikey Nova Music Productions Huh? Second that. I know for a fact that treatment is available even for the indigent -- I know someone who receives it. And not that many of us are in that extreme condition. One big problem for many people who suffer depression is they self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs, which exacerbates the money problem and doesn't ultimately help the depression. I have been broke and hungry and ten miles from nowhere, and I have been high on the hog, and halfway in between. The feelings are the same. I prefer rich to poor, I guess, but money is not the be-all and end-all. While in the USA at least, help is available for the indigent, I just had a friend go thru an episode that lasted several years. There were only 4 depression drugs available thru the mental health center if you are indigent.- Prozac, effexor, wellbutrin and Paxil. If none of those work for you you are SOL. I disagree. You can find doctors who will prescribe others through Medicaid, and you should be able to find drugs like amytryptiline and others for reasonable prices -- less than $20 per month -- on that basis. I had to help him for a while to get prescriptions that did work for him. And the mental health system in the US is much better of than the regular health care system. You can get free care, good enough to work for some people. But quite a few still falling thru the cracks. When you find perfection anywhere, let me know. There is lots of help out there, and a large proportion of the problems I see in people is them not taking their meds. Most people in the US are still trying to figure out why the homeless rate shot up when we emptied out the mental hospitals- we just took all the people who couldn't take care of themselves and dumped them on the street. This is a known problem, of course. But to imply that everyone who was released from a mental hospital is homeless is ridiculous, and to imply that those people were left completely without resources is wrong as well. There are plenty of people who get along quite nicely outside mental hospitals, some in group homes, some on their own. There are certainly plenty of homeless, but I think you will find that drugs and alcohol are the problem for at least half of those. And that is a problem that has no easy solution as long as we are a culture that tolerates and winks at abuse of those substances. -- Mike Heins Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet. -- unknown ====================== I am old enough to have memories from my internship/residency days of what care of the psychotic was like (at least in the U.K.) before the pseudo-liberarators of the Szasz and the half-mad psychiatrist who committed suicide (name?) kind got into it and opened the asylum doors wide to the delights of huddling under a blanket on the park-bench. In the name of freedom of choice for those incapable of choosing. I spent a couple of months as a house physician in the Crichton Royal- a model "mental hospital" in Scotland. It was sited on agricultural and fruit-trees acreage. The inmates were free to work there if they wanted.or learn a craft indoors. There were weekly dances for the not completely psychotic patients which the doctors and nurses were encouraged to attend. There were films, music and theatrical shows. I saw several patients who were indignant at the mere mention of being "liberated" Of course the municipal govts. were delighted to save the money and close the "reactionary" asylums. Walk down any busy street and meet the "liberated" talking to their voices, sleeping in parks and occasionally pushing someone under the wheels of the incoming train underground. Ludovic Mirabel |
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