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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
Hi:
I know I've brought this extremely-off-topic subject up -- and in other groups -- before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. I hate soundfonts, emulations, softsynths, and sample playback MIDI synths. I request that readers please read this message from began to end until they fully understand it. To be honest, I've tried "white hat guy" tactics for along time in many forums [such as the Creative Labs forums] and have either been ridiculed, ignored, or given wrong information [on purpose]. As for hiring someone to make a card, its going to cost $$billions and even then they still might do a shabby job. Like most people, I don't have anywhere near the amount of money necessary to get someone to make a customized MIDI synth for me. Am I better off building own FM synth chip design myself after learning about how it works? I mean, I just don't have the money necessary to make someone do it for me. Its so very unlikely that anyone will be willing to do it for me because that person already has billions in his/her account and has nothing to lose by refusing me or building the FM chip in a defective manner, no matter how kind and patient I am. Hell, such rich folks have nothing to lose by attaching a dynamite to it and then laughing sadisticaly as my room catches fire when I turn the synth on. For these dudes, its do all at your own risk, nothing guaranteed at all. These guys just don't care. All they want is money, but they already have too much of it. So there is no incentive for them to build me a professional, upgraded version of CMS220. Even if I was the richest and friendliest individual on earth, I'd still be taking a *huge* risk in requesting anyone to build any customized hardware for me. Cuz they still wouldn't give a f--- CMS220 has one of the best synth pads. Try comparing the quality of polysynth-pads of a sample playback MIDI synth to that of CMS220. Polysynth pads are my favorite instrument in Creative Music Synth [220]. Nothing sounds more refreshing the sound of SB16's polysynth pads with the central channel removed. The halo-pads of CMS220 provide a touching psychedelic sound. Compare that to the stale, boring, halo-pads of a soundfont based MIDI synth. Once again, the synth pads of softsynths really stink. In CMS220, theyare far more pleasant. Polysynth on FM gets to exploit its main advantage, dynamic synthesis. The tone was generated on an FM synth, so naturally an FM synth can do it better than any stinky soundfont kakaa. On the Creative website -- forums.creative.com -- I am known as "CMS220" In the above link, is where I take revenge against the following: 1. Creative Technology for no longer making or upgrading Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Customers who like -- or don't mind -- sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts 3. Customers who dislike -- or don't care for - Creative Music Synth [220] On the Creative Technology site, I first asked my questions politely but no one answered me. I then got frustrated and vented all my anger. Now those jerks know how I feel. I lost control of my temper and used very bad words. As a result, any computer with my home IP address cannot access the Creative forums. Also, if I login under the name "CMS220" in any part of the world, the Creative site will automatically ban access to its forums from that network. They've banned access to the forums from three places already because I logged in under CMS220. They've got some auto-ban type of feature, it seems. It started off like this. I asked in the Creative Technology http://forums.creative.com as politely as I could. I waited a couple of weeks. No response. I asked again as politely as I could, waited another few weeks. Again no answers. I tried on the third and last time as politely as I could. AGAIN, no answers!!! I then got impatient and aggressive. I started venting my anger in those forums. I used bad words. As a result, they've permanently banned my IP and I can no longer access their forums. What a buncha jerks. Yes, I did get carried away with the foul language but hey, can ya blame me? So I can no longer sign-in under CMS220. I got a new username "SB16- ISA-FM" and logged in from another network outside my house. I started venting my anger again using colorful language. One of the Creative Technology companymen then sent me a warning note, in which he/she/it threatened to contact my ISP and shut-down my internet connection. What those fools don't realize is that I can log in under any name from any network that I am given access to. It doesn't have to be from my house. Maybe if Creative Technology weren't made up of such jerks, then I wouldn't have started spamming their forums in the 1st place. So its not my fault. I would like a real Creative Music Synth [220]. Doesn't have to be in a sound card. It could be a keyboard, a MIDI box or in any other form. Sadly, its not gonna happen because the mechanism by which Creative Music Synth [220] is kept classified as top-secret by Creative Technology Ltd. CMS220 is no longer made yet the sick @$$ company still keeps the working of CMS220 a secret. Creative Technology is a stubborn piece of crap. F--k those stingy secretive *******s. I hate sick sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I just wish the audio communities would revert back to real, non- emulated SB16 FM synthesis and upgrade from there. FM emulation [or any audio emulation for that matter] is sample playback. Sample playback synth = human kakaa SB Live stinks like human kakaa. It has no real music synthesis. Its all kakaa-like emulation. SB16 PCI has the disadvantages of SB16 ISA [e.g. limitation to 16-bit resolution] without the advantages [e.g. *real* FM synthesis]. All SB16 PCIs should be burned in oxyacetylene flames. AFAIK, some PCI cards contain something called 'Yamaha FM synth'. I hate it though because it is emulation. The Avance sound card has 'Avance FM synth', but its also a real stinker as it isn't a real synth. The evil PCI loves to inflict pain on other types of slot -- ISA being the unfortunate victim. PCI cards don't contain real FM synths. Anything kind of 'OPL' a PCI would have, would be emulation. The only 'OPL' any PCI cards have is OPL emulation. Emulation stinks like human diarrhea kakaa foam. I don't understand why a PCI card cannot contain a real FM synth like Creative Music Synth [220]. Is there a technical barrier to this? I can easily tell the difference between the freshness, brightness, warmth, and liveliness of a *real* synth from the stale, cacophonous -- or rather KAKAA-FOAMous -- fart of emulation. Creative Music Synth [220] = SB16 ISA's FM synth = my favorite MIDI synth. I don't care for other MIDI synths. Creative Music Synth [220] is: 1. Real and 2. Digital and 3. Hardware and 4. Real-time All other FM synths are okay. Wavetables are also good. But I don't care for them. Here is my ratings for soundcard MIDI synths: 1. Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Digital hardware FM synths other than Creative Music Synth [220], non-FM digital synths [including *real wavetables*; excluding sample playbacks, soundfonts, and emulations], and analog synths 3. Sample playback synths, soundfonts, softsynths, and emulations of synths. Sample playback synths, soundfonts, softsynths, and emulations are the worst. They all STEEEENK!!!! Soundfonts = thick stinky diarrhea kakaa foam of humans Sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts are the worst audio equipment ever. They are stinky, tickly, itchy, creepy, irritating, farty, foamy, hissy, terrifying, disgusting, and annoying. I like the audio quality of Creative Music Synth [220]. It sounds so warm, fresh, bright, rejuvenating, lively and effervescent. The only thing about Creative Technology that I like is their Creative Music Synth [220]. Other than that, they are a piece of kakaa. Creative Technology is one f--king piece of crap that provides sh--ty customer service. Their tech support is so limited. Creative Technology used to be such a great company 13 years ago. Now there are nothing but stinky-diarrhea-kakaa-foam-of-humans. I've asked them about Creative Music Synth [220] -- through a variety of means, including but not limited to phone, fax, and their online tech support -- only to be totally-ignored. I asked them about this for the past 5 years. Never got a decent answer. In addition, most of their online tech support is pre-written garbage. Creative Technology also uses such f--ked up sickening disgusting sample playback synths in their PCI cards. I wish that a gang of persons who support Creative Music Synth [220] would attack Creative Technology and force them to make hardware versions of Creative Music Synth [220] -- in PCI cards that are compatible with PCI slots and Windows XP -- upgraded from 16-bit to 64- bit-resolution and from 44.1 KHz to 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate. And from there, keep on upgrading! When XP and PCI are obsolete then Creative Technology should be forced to make even newer hardware versions of CMS220 -- with even wider bit-resolutions and higher sample-rates -- that are compatible with the newer hardwares and softwares that will exist in that future time. If Creative Technology refuses, I hope the CMS220-advocating gang ties up the people who make up that company and torturously forces them to repeatedly listen to sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts until those Creative personnel are annoyed with burning headaches and are deathly desperate for an escape. Only then will the people of Creative Technology do the right thing -- make upgraded versions of Creative Music Synth [220]. A rich spoiled-rotten company like Creative deserves to be heinously hijacked and forced to do their duties. The least Creative Technology Ltd could do is put a *real* 64-bit- resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] in a PCI card. But noooooooooooooooooooooo! They are too f--king lazy. Its not just Creative Technology that's responsible. Its also the fault of self-destructive customers who don't mind paying $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$ for those crappy sample playback synths. F--k those customers as well. Masochistic perverts! I don't care if those customers destroy themselves. Though, I sure as f--k don't want them destroying me! Such customers should eat their own stinky diarrhea kakaa foam. If you feed a scum, then you're just as filthy as that scum and I sincerely hope you suffer just as much. I feel like torching the chips of soundfonts, softsynths, emulations, sample playback synths with oxyacetylene flames to distort their audio output. Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite MIDI synth. Its those sample playback synths that are crap. Sadly most MIDI magazines advertise the kakaa-stinky sample playback as a good thing often referring to them as 'wavetables'. These sick marketers call sample playback synthesis 'realistic sounding'. Sample playbacks synths are nothing more than the sound of a stinky fart emitted from a human colon. I've been looking hard for true FM synths. No luck. Most PCI cards have OPL emulation. I hate FM emulation. FM emulation -- much like any sample playback synthesis -- is to the ear what human kakaa is to the nose. I want *real* FM synthesis not some stinky trashy out-of-a-human- behind emulation. Those stinky-f==king marketers who refer to sample playback synthesis as 'wavetables' deserve to be thrown into the sewer and made to eat their own crap. There is a world of different between sample playback synthesis and wavetable synthesis. If you still believe the marketer-induced myth that wavetable synthesis and sample playback synthesis are the same thing, then please educate yourself with the hardcore scientific facts presented on the following link: http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Wavetable-101.pdf Wavetable synthesis is so much better than any kakaa-spitting sample playback synth but not nearly as heavenly as *true* FM synthesis. Of all the *true* FM synths, Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite. If a synth is *not*: 1. *Real* AND 2. *Digital* AND 3. *Real-time* AND 4. *Hardware* then it, STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For those of you who think MIDI is something of the past, there are many people who still care about MIDI but unfortunately, these are the sick f--ks who actually like sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. You are SOOOOO wrong if you think MIDI is obsolete. Its just that today's MIDI audio often takes the stinky sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I feel like burning all sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts along with their consumers, and their companies. Sick pieces of stinky thick diarrhea human kakaa foam they are. Vaporize all of those involved with nuclear-fusion flames!!!!! So yes. There plenty of those sample-playback-loving scumbags who still indulge in the evils of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got it????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?! There are tons of evil lovers of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts in the entire world. Try visiting the newsgroups: comp.music.midi and alt.music.midi Majority of those sick f--ks continually hurl insults at Creative Music Synth [220] while praising sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I feel like surrounding those scumslimes with superhot flames resulting from localized nuclear fusion. I would like to make some replicable magnetic electronic nanobots that will search for sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts in any part of the world and attach to the digital chips of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. These nanobots should contain magnetic receivers that will extract any random environmental magnetic audio signals from 2 kHz to 50 kHz [excluding spikes, square-waves, white noise, brown noise, pink noise and bass sounds]. The nanobots then amplify those signals to the point where they would significantly interfere with -- and cause inductive crosstalk in -- the audio signals in the digital electronic chips of the sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. This will cause sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts to be full of annoying -- and perhaps even frightening -- auditory disruptions from environmental magnetic interference**. That way all companies will be forced to abandon all their sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. In addition, all listeners will be forced to endure the pollution of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. For those who miss their stinky human kakaa foam of soundfonts, emulations, and sample playback synths, well, f--k them! Voila! No more sample playback MIDI. I demand that MIDI either use CMS220, or that MIDI audio not be used at all. Death to MIDI other than Creative Music Synth [220]. All sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts must be burned badly. That way those involved in MIDI audio will not have much choice other than to listen to [or produce]: 1. Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Digital FM synths other than Creative Music Synth [220] 3. *Real* wavetables 4. Other digital synths [excluding emulations, soundfonts, and sample playback] 5. Analog synths OR, the other option for those sample-playback-loving, emulation- supporting, soundfont-advocating, softsynth-desiring f--kheads is to totally give up on MIDI, get depressed -- due to the absence of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts, and jump off a cliff!!!! I'll see to it that revenge is mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **Note: The magnetic signals that interfere with those digital chips should be purely-analog. I just love it when purely-analog magnetic signals cause significant disruptions in purely-digital chip-based parts of electronic devices that I don't like. Sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts are an example of digital electronic devices that I don't like so I want to victimize them in this manner -- i.e. via magnetic interferences. I try playing Creative Music Synth [220], through my so called 'karaoke voice canceller' -- which inverts the phase of one stereo channel [right or left] and then combines it the other channel -- which results in anything identical in both the left and right channels being removed. I get a mono of what was different in the left and right channels. When I play Creative Music Synth [220] audio through the voice- canceller, it sounds more treble, sharper, brighter, warmer, and crisper than when I don't use the voice canceller. Due to the above, my MIDI synth dream would be a mono, 64-bit- resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] based on the signals that were phased differently in the original CMS220. CMS220 is a stereo FM synth who left and right signals are phased differently, this is why I get a different sound when I play throught voice-canceller. The signals of CMS220 that have the same phase for both L and R have a more cheesy sine-wave quality which I don't care for. The signals in CMS220 that are phased differently in L and R tend to resemble a fresher sawtooth-wave quality which I like. That is why I want my version of CMS220 to be based on the sounds that were phased differently in the original CMS220. I want my version to be monoaural because I want all speakers to give out the same signal. Try listening to a sample playback MIDI synth -- such as SoundMax's MIDI synth -- and compare that to Creative Music Synth [220]. You'll *definitely* notice the difference. SoundMax MIDI synth audio is to the ear what stinky thick diarrhea kakaa foam of humans is to the nose. The Crystal soundfont is even worse than SoundMax. Creative Music Synth [220], OTOH, is auditory paradise. Any understanding, cooperation, and assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Radium |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"Radium" wrote in message ups.com... Any understanding, cooperation, and assistance is greatly appreciated. I'm afraid all I can offer is astonishment, indiscreet laughter, and my earnest suggestion that you seek treatment - *soon*. Will that do? |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On Feb 27, 7:44 pm, "Michael" wrote:
I'm afraid all I can offer is astonishment, indiscreet laughter, and my earnest suggestion that you seek treatment - *soon*. Yeah right. Whats treatment gonna do? Change my auditory perception so I'll stop noticing the difference between the heavenly CMS220 and those hellish softsynths? I am afraid, that such is impossible, given the state of today's technology. Will that do? Sadly, no. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"Radium" wrote in message ps.com... On Feb 27, 7:44 pm, "Michael" wrote: I'm afraid all I can offer is astonishment, indiscreet laughter, and my earnest suggestion that you seek treatment - *soon*. Yeah right. Whats treatment gonna do? Allow you to finally move beyond your present anal-stage-arrested development. Change my auditory perception Who cares about that? I sure don't. Like what you like, hate what you hate. No skin off my nose. It's your offensive and socially poisonous scatological compulsions that you should be trying to change. Get help. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"Radium" wrote in message ups.com... ....Trots out the same old TROLL once more, to prove he is deaf and insane. Interesting story in a local magazine about a person still watching his 50 year old black and white television every night. (And he spends far more on repairs than buying a new color TV by the way.) A friend of Radium's perhaps :-) MrT. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"Radium" wrote in message
ups.com... Hi: I know I've brought this extremely-off-topic subject up -- and in other groups -- before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. I hate soundfonts, emulations, softsynths, and sample playback MIDI synths. I would appreciate a *short* summary of the problem(s) you're trying to solve. I don't understand your point(s) from a quick look-see at your post. -- Mark |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On Feb 27, 9:13 pm, "Mark Jerde" wrote:
I would appreciate a *short* summary of the problem(s) you're trying to solve. I don't understand your point(s) from a quick look-see at your post. The problem is that Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite soundcard MIDI synth because of its audio quality. My PC is the only PC that contains SB16 ISA -- which contains CMS220 chip. Currently, my CMS220 works fine, however, due to the laws of physics, its circuits are eventually going to breakdown in my lifetime. I don't want that. If my CMS220 loses its circuits due to old age, I want a replacement or repair. But no one will do that. No one will repair the CMS220 or replace it with an exact replica. Instead -- being the sadistic turds they are -- they will tell me to get a new sound card. Today's sound cards contain soundfonts, softsynths, emulations, or sample playback MIDI synths -- all of which I truly hate. So if my ISA soundcard breaks, I am screwed. I hate this situation. In addition, I would like an upgrade of my existing CMS220. The upgrade should be based on the signals that are phased differently in my current CMS220. I try playing Creative Music Synth [220], through my so called 'karaoke voice canceller' -- which inverts the phase of one stereo channel [right or left] and then combines it the other channel -- which results in anything identical in both the left and right channels being removed. I get a mono of what was different in the left and right channels. When I play Creative Music Synth [220] audio through the voice- canceller, it sounds more treble, sharper, brighter, warmer, and crisper than when I don't use the voice canceller. I like such qualities. So, my MIDI synth dream would be a mono, 64-bit-resolution, 2.88-Ghz- sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] based on the signals that were phased differently in the original CMS220. CMS220 is a stereo FM synth who left and right signals are phased differently, this is why I get a different sound when I play throught voice- canceller. The signals of CMS220 that have the same phase for both L and R have a more cheesy sine-wave quality which I don't care for. The signals in CMS220 that are phased differently in L and R tend to resemble a fresher sawtooth-wave quality which I like. That is why I want my version of CMS220 to be based on the sounds that were phased differently in the original CMS220. I want my version to be monoaural because I want all speakers to give out the same signal. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
Radium wrote:
On Feb 27, 9:13 pm, "Mark Jerde" wrote: I would appreciate a *short* summary of the problem(s) you're trying to solve. I don't understand your point(s) from a quick look-see at your post. The problem is that Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite soundcard MIDI synth because of its audio quality. My PC is the only Perhaps you should board the next spaceship to the planet ZOG. I believe that they have an abundance of CMS220's there. The last WPIS radio talk show broadcast from there that I heard claimed that they were now attempting to connect them in a hypercube configuration to beam ESP sound waves to the inhabitants of the planet Xsorus. This will enable them to teach their pet gerbils to sing... Albert, how am I doing, I am an amateur at this but perhaps there is a future for me ; |
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On 28 Feb, 06:27, dave king wrote:
Perhaps you should board the next spaceship to the planet ZOG. Radium's crap is clearly caused by brain rot due to excessive masturbation. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"contrex" wrote in message ups.com... Radium's crap is clearly caused by brain rot due to excessive masturbation. Either that or too much listening to 4 op FM synth crap has addled his brain. Or he simply gets his jollies throwing a dead fish in the water, and watching the sea gulls fight over it :-) (BTW the 220 simply refers to the PC port address, Radium doesn't seem to have worked that out yet after 100's of troll posts :-) MrT. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On 28 Feb, 07:39, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
"contrex" wrote in message ups.com... Radium's crap is clearly caused by brain rot due to excessive masturbation. Either that or too much listening to 4 op FM synth crap has addled his brain. Or he simply gets his jollies throwing a dead fish in the water, and watching the sea gulls fight over it :-) (BTW the 220 simply refers to the PC port address, Radium doesn't seem to have worked that out yet after 100's of troll posts :-) MrT. Why doesn't he fire up his soldering iron and make himself a synth if he's so bloody clever? |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"contrex" wrote in message oups.com... Why doesn't he fire up his soldering iron and make himself a synth if he's so bloody clever? What makes you think he is clever? MrT. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:54:24 +1100, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
Why doesn't he fire up his soldering iron and make himself a synth if he's so bloody clever? What makes you think he is clever? His troll has been remarkably successful this time round :-) |
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On 28 Feb, 10:54, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
What makes you think he is clever? In sarcastic usage, one reads "if he's so clever" as "if he's as clever as he clearly thinks he is". |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
contrex wrote:
On 28 Feb, 06:27, dave king wrote: Perhaps you should board the next spaceship to the planet ZOG. Radium's crap is clearly caused by brain rot due to excessive masturbation. Yea, and after all that grunting and sweat stained carpet, bleeding blisters on both hands, a gross of worn out tweezers and still no results? What do you really expect from a substandard troll? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Robert Morein wrote:
Sorry guys, forgery. A troll by any other name is still only good for the compost pile. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Radium wrote:
Hi: I know I've brought this extremely-off-topic subject up -- and in other groups -- before but I just can't get over it. If you want your posts read, then you have to stop making the same posts. Please find a new issue of concern and please post to relevant newsgroups only. Radium Regards Peter Larsen |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
Radium wrote:
On Feb 27, 7:44 pm, "Michael" wrote: I'm afraid all I can offer is astonishment, indiscreet laughter, and my earnest suggestion that you seek treatment - *soon*. Yeah right. Whats treatment gonna do? Change my auditory perception so I'll stop noticing the difference between the heavenly CMS220 and those hellish softsynths? I am afraid, that such is impossible, given the state of today's technology. Well, maybe a somewhat shorter, condensed, edited posting without very personel expressions, in a more to-the-fact style might help. Might also be helpful posting specifics to related NG's, instead of Xposting it all to five ones. -- Kind regards, Mogens V. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
"Mark Jerde" wrote in message news  b8Fh.1983$N63.1480@trnddc08...I would appreciate a *short* summary of the problem(s) you're trying to solve. I don't understand your point(s) from a quick look-see at your post. Mark, one of his biggest problems is that he really has no idea what problems he's trying to solve, or how to approach them. He's found something he doesn't like in the sound of some particular product, and has gone from there to some truly staggering (in their absurdity) conclusions about various technologies. In short, he's simply got no idea at all what he's talking about. As usual. Bob M. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
Radium,
You're a TROLL. Begone back to under the bridge from whence you came. And quit posting on the cakewalk groups. SK "Radium" wrote in message ups.com... Hi: I know I've brought this extremely-off-topic subject up -- and in other groups -- before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. I hate soundfonts, emulations, softsynths, and sample playback MIDI synths. I request that readers please read this message from began to end until they fully understand it. To be honest, I've tried "white hat guy" tactics for along time in many forums [such as the Creative Labs forums] and have either been ridiculed, ignored, or given wrong information [on purpose]. As for hiring someone to make a card, its going to cost $$billions and even then they still might do a shabby job. Like most people, I don't have anywhere near the amount of money necessary to get someone to make a customized MIDI synth for me. Am I better off building own FM synth chip design myself after learning about how it works? I mean, I just don't have the money necessary to make someone do it for me. Its so very unlikely that anyone will be willing to do it for me because that person already has billions in his/her account and has nothing to lose by refusing me or building the FM chip in a defective manner, no matter how kind and patient I am. Hell, such rich folks have nothing to lose by attaching a dynamite to it and then laughing sadisticaly as my room catches fire when I turn the synth on. For these dudes, its do all at your own risk, nothing guaranteed at all. These guys just don't care. All they want is money, but they already have too much of it. So there is no incentive for them to build me a professional, upgraded version of CMS220. Even if I was the richest and friendliest individual on earth, I'd still be taking a *huge* risk in requesting anyone to build any customized hardware for me. Cuz they still wouldn't give a f--- CMS220 has one of the best synth pads. Try comparing the quality of polysynth-pads of a sample playback MIDI synth to that of CMS220. Polysynth pads are my favorite instrument in Creative Music Synth [220]. Nothing sounds more refreshing the sound of SB16's polysynth pads with the central channel removed. The halo-pads of CMS220 provide a touching psychedelic sound. Compare that to the stale, boring, halo-pads of a soundfont based MIDI synth. Once again, the synth pads of softsynths really stink. In CMS220, theyare far more pleasant. Polysynth on FM gets to exploit its main advantage, dynamic synthesis. The tone was generated on an FM synth, so naturally an FM synth can do it better than any stinky soundfont kakaa. On the Creative website -- forums.creative.com -- I am known as "CMS220" In the above link, is where I take revenge against the following: 1. Creative Technology for no longer making or upgrading Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Customers who like -- or don't mind -- sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts 3. Customers who dislike -- or don't care for - Creative Music Synth [220] On the Creative Technology site, I first asked my questions politely but no one answered me. I then got frustrated and vented all my anger. Now those jerks know how I feel. I lost control of my temper and used very bad words. As a result, any computer with my home IP address cannot access the Creative forums. Also, if I login under the name "CMS220" in any part of the world, the Creative site will automatically ban access to its forums from that network. They've banned access to the forums from three places already because I logged in under CMS220. They've got some auto-ban type of feature, it seems. It started off like this. I asked in the Creative Technology http://forums.creative.com as politely as I could. I waited a couple of weeks. No response. I asked again as politely as I could, waited another few weeks. Again no answers. I tried on the third and last time as politely as I could. AGAIN, no answers!!! I then got impatient and aggressive. I started venting my anger in those forums. I used bad words. As a result, they've permanently banned my IP and I can no longer access their forums. What a buncha jerks. Yes, I did get carried away with the foul language but hey, can ya blame me? So I can no longer sign-in under CMS220. I got a new username "SB16- ISA-FM" and logged in from another network outside my house. I started venting my anger again using colorful language. One of the Creative Technology companymen then sent me a warning note, in which he/she/it threatened to contact my ISP and shut-down my internet connection. What those fools don't realize is that I can log in under any name from any network that I am given access to. It doesn't have to be from my house. Maybe if Creative Technology weren't made up of such jerks, then I wouldn't have started spamming their forums in the 1st place. So its not my fault. I would like a real Creative Music Synth [220]. Doesn't have to be in a sound card. It could be a keyboard, a MIDI box or in any other form. Sadly, its not gonna happen because the mechanism by which Creative Music Synth [220] is kept classified as top-secret by Creative Technology Ltd. CMS220 is no longer made yet the sick @$$ company still keeps the working of CMS220 a secret. Creative Technology is a stubborn piece of crap. F--k those stingy secretive *******s. I hate sick sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I just wish the audio communities would revert back to real, non- emulated SB16 FM synthesis and upgrade from there. FM emulation [or any audio emulation for that matter] is sample playback. Sample playback synth = human kakaa SB Live stinks like human kakaa. It has no real music synthesis. Its all kakaa-like emulation. SB16 PCI has the disadvantages of SB16 ISA [e.g. limitation to 16-bit resolution] without the advantages [e.g. *real* FM synthesis]. All SB16 PCIs should be burned in oxyacetylene flames. AFAIK, some PCI cards contain something called 'Yamaha FM synth'. I hate it though because it is emulation. The Avance sound card has 'Avance FM synth', but its also a real stinker as it isn't a real synth. The evil PCI loves to inflict pain on other types of slot -- ISA being the unfortunate victim. PCI cards don't contain real FM synths. Anything kind of 'OPL' a PCI would have, would be emulation. The only 'OPL' any PCI cards have is OPL emulation. Emulation stinks like human diarrhea kakaa foam. I don't understand why a PCI card cannot contain a real FM synth like Creative Music Synth [220]. Is there a technical barrier to this? I can easily tell the difference between the freshness, brightness, warmth, and liveliness of a *real* synth from the stale, cacophonous -- or rather KAKAA-FOAMous -- fart of emulation. Creative Music Synth [220] = SB16 ISA's FM synth = my favorite MIDI synth. I don't care for other MIDI synths. Creative Music Synth [220] is: 1. Real and 2. Digital and 3. Hardware and 4. Real-time All other FM synths are okay. Wavetables are also good. But I don't care for them. Here is my ratings for soundcard MIDI synths: 1. Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Digital hardware FM synths other than Creative Music Synth [220], non-FM digital synths [including *real wavetables*; excluding sample playbacks, soundfonts, and emulations], and analog synths 3. Sample playback synths, soundfonts, softsynths, and emulations of synths. Sample playback synths, soundfonts, softsynths, and emulations are the worst. They all STEEEENK!!!! Soundfonts = thick stinky diarrhea kakaa foam of humans Sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts are the worst audio equipment ever. They are stinky, tickly, itchy, creepy, irritating, farty, foamy, hissy, terrifying, disgusting, and annoying. I like the audio quality of Creative Music Synth [220]. It sounds so warm, fresh, bright, rejuvenating, lively and effervescent. The only thing about Creative Technology that I like is their Creative Music Synth [220]. Other than that, they are a piece of kakaa. Creative Technology is one f--king piece of crap that provides sh--ty customer service. Their tech support is so limited. Creative Technology used to be such a great company 13 years ago. Now there are nothing but stinky-diarrhea-kakaa-foam-of-humans. I've asked them about Creative Music Synth [220] -- through a variety of means, including but not limited to phone, fax, and their online tech support -- only to be totally-ignored. I asked them about this for the past 5 years. Never got a decent answer. In addition, most of their online tech support is pre-written garbage. Creative Technology also uses such f--ked up sickening disgusting sample playback synths in their PCI cards. I wish that a gang of persons who support Creative Music Synth [220] would attack Creative Technology and force them to make hardware versions of Creative Music Synth [220] -- in PCI cards that are compatible with PCI slots and Windows XP -- upgraded from 16-bit to 64- bit-resolution and from 44.1 KHz to 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate. And from there, keep on upgrading! When XP and PCI are obsolete then Creative Technology should be forced to make even newer hardware versions of CMS220 -- with even wider bit-resolutions and higher sample-rates -- that are compatible with the newer hardwares and softwares that will exist in that future time. If Creative Technology refuses, I hope the CMS220-advocating gang ties up the people who make up that company and torturously forces them to repeatedly listen to sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts until those Creative personnel are annoyed with burning headaches and are deathly desperate for an escape. Only then will the people of Creative Technology do the right thing -- make upgraded versions of Creative Music Synth [220]. A rich spoiled-rotten company like Creative deserves to be heinously hijacked and forced to do their duties. The least Creative Technology Ltd could do is put a *real* 64-bit- resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] in a PCI card. But noooooooooooooooooooooo! They are too f--king lazy. Its not just Creative Technology that's responsible. Its also the fault of self-destructive customers who don't mind paying $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$ for those crappy sample playback synths. F--k those customers as well. Masochistic perverts! I don't care if those customers destroy themselves. Though, I sure as f--k don't want them destroying me! Such customers should eat their own stinky diarrhea kakaa foam. If you feed a scum, then you're just as filthy as that scum and I sincerely hope you suffer just as much. I feel like torching the chips of soundfonts, softsynths, emulations, sample playback synths with oxyacetylene flames to distort their audio output. Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite MIDI synth. Its those sample playback synths that are crap. Sadly most MIDI magazines advertise the kakaa-stinky sample playback as a good thing often referring to them as 'wavetables'. These sick marketers call sample playback synthesis 'realistic sounding'. Sample playbacks synths are nothing more than the sound of a stinky fart emitted from a human colon. I've been looking hard for true FM synths. No luck. Most PCI cards have OPL emulation. I hate FM emulation. FM emulation -- much like any sample playback synthesis -- is to the ear what human kakaa is to the nose. I want *real* FM synthesis not some stinky trashy out-of-a-human- behind emulation. Those stinky-f==king marketers who refer to sample playback synthesis as 'wavetables' deserve to be thrown into the sewer and made to eat their own crap. There is a world of different between sample playback synthesis and wavetable synthesis. If you still believe the marketer-induced myth that wavetable synthesis and sample playback synthesis are the same thing, then please educate yourself with the hardcore scientific facts presented on the following link: http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Wavetable-101.pdf Wavetable synthesis is so much better than any kakaa-spitting sample playback synth but not nearly as heavenly as *true* FM synthesis. Of all the *true* FM synths, Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite. If a synth is *not*: 1. *Real* AND 2. *Digital* AND 3. *Real-time* AND 4. *Hardware* then it, STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For those of you who think MIDI is something of the past, there are many people who still care about MIDI but unfortunately, these are the sick f--ks who actually like sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. You are SOOOOO wrong if you think MIDI is obsolete. Its just that today's MIDI audio often takes the stinky sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I feel like burning all sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts along with their consumers, and their companies. Sick pieces of stinky thick diarrhea human kakaa foam they are. Vaporize all of those involved with nuclear-fusion flames!!!!! So yes. There plenty of those sample-playback-loving scumbags who still indulge in the evils of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got it????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?! There are tons of evil lovers of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts in the entire world. Try visiting the newsgroups: comp.music.midi and alt.music.midi Majority of those sick f--ks continually hurl insults at Creative Music Synth [220] while praising sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I feel like surrounding those scumslimes with superhot flames resulting from localized nuclear fusion. I would like to make some replicable magnetic electronic nanobots that will search for sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts in any part of the world and attach to the digital chips of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. These nanobots should contain magnetic receivers that will extract any random environmental magnetic audio signals from 2 kHz to 50 kHz [excluding spikes, square-waves, white noise, brown noise, pink noise and bass sounds]. The nanobots then amplify those signals to the point where they would significantly interfere with -- and cause inductive crosstalk in -- the audio signals in the digital electronic chips of the sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. This will cause sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts to be full of annoying -- and perhaps even frightening -- auditory disruptions from environmental magnetic interference**. That way all companies will be forced to abandon all their sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. In addition, all listeners will be forced to endure the pollution of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. For those who miss their stinky human kakaa foam of soundfonts, emulations, and sample playback synths, well, f--k them! Voila! No more sample playback MIDI. I demand that MIDI either use CMS220, or that MIDI audio not be used at all. Death to MIDI other than Creative Music Synth [220]. All sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts must be burned badly. That way those involved in MIDI audio will not have much choice other than to listen to [or produce]: 1. Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Digital FM synths other than Creative Music Synth [220] 3. *Real* wavetables 4. Other digital synths [excluding emulations, soundfonts, and sample playback] 5. Analog synths OR, the other option for those sample-playback-loving, emulation- supporting, soundfont-advocating, softsynth-desiring f--kheads is to totally give up on MIDI, get depressed -- due to the absence of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts, and jump off a cliff!!!! I'll see to it that revenge is mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **Note: The magnetic signals that interfere with those digital chips should be purely-analog. I just love it when purely-analog magnetic signals cause significant disruptions in purely-digital chip-based parts of electronic devices that I don't like. Sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts are an example of digital electronic devices that I don't like so I want to victimize them in this manner -- i.e. via magnetic interferences. I try playing Creative Music Synth [220], through my so called 'karaoke voice canceller' -- which inverts the phase of one stereo channel [right or left] and then combines it the other channel -- which results in anything identical in both the left and right channels being removed. I get a mono of what was different in the left and right channels. When I play Creative Music Synth [220] audio through the voice- canceller, it sounds more treble, sharper, brighter, warmer, and crisper than when I don't use the voice canceller. Due to the above, my MIDI synth dream would be a mono, 64-bit- resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] based on the signals that were phased differently in the original CMS220. CMS220 is a stereo FM synth who left and right signals are phased differently, this is why I get a different sound when I play throught voice-canceller. The signals of CMS220 that have the same phase for both L and R have a more cheesy sine-wave quality which I don't care for. The signals in CMS220 that are phased differently in L and R tend to resemble a fresher sawtooth-wave quality which I like. That is why I want my version of CMS220 to be based on the sounds that were phased differently in the original CMS220. I want my version to be monoaural because I want all speakers to give out the same signal. Try listening to a sample playback MIDI synth -- such as SoundMax's MIDI synth -- and compare that to Creative Music Synth [220]. You'll *definitely* notice the difference. SoundMax MIDI synth audio is to the ear what stinky thick diarrhea kakaa foam of humans is to the nose. The Crystal soundfont is even worse than SoundMax. Creative Music Synth [220], OTOH, is auditory paradise. Any understanding, cooperation, and assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Radium |
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"Glennbo" wrote in message . 17.102... Here's *LOTS* of them. Stock yourself up for the rest of your life, and find something more important to freek yourself out about.  http://search.ebay.com/Soundblaster-...ZQ5AIPQ2fPosta lQQfromZR10QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsacat ZQ2d1QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2 d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbsQQsubmitsearchZS earch Are VISTA drivers available for it :-) MrT. |
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"dave king" wrote in message ... Radium wrote: On Feb 27, 9:13 pm, "Mark Jerde" wrote: I would appreciate a *short* summary of the problem(s) you're trying to solve. I don't understand your point(s) from a quick look-see at your post. The problem is that Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite soundcard MIDI synth because of its audio quality. My PC is the only Perhaps you should board the next spaceship to the planet ZOG. I believe that they have an abundance of CMS220's there. The last WPIS radio talk show broadcast from there that I heard claimed that they were now attempting to connect them in a hypercube configuration to beam ESP sound waves to the inhabitants of the planet Xsorus. This will enable them to teach their pet gerbils to sing... Albert, how am I doing, I am an amateur at this but perhaps there is a future for me ; Dave, You're doing really well. I had a huge belly laugh and that's always good. I tried hard to read Radium but got a terrible sick-headache.Is he for real?Do you understand all that techno jargon? It strikes me as amazing Sort of like one of those huge green boards covered with mathematical or scientific symbols.I always go numb when I see that in T.V. programs about Einstein or Newton etc. Keep up the good work.I haven't found anything worth expending my vitriolic wit upon for some time now. By the way did the "planet" Zog feature in a movie, a book or something because I was in London two years ago and was with a friend and his wife and we entered a rather unruly pub and there were some yobs and they started making ribald comments upon my friend's dress and hat and my friend said "I think we've landed on Zog" albert landa |
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albert landa said: By the way did the "planet" Zog feature in a movie, a book or something because I was in London two years ago and was with a friend and his wife and we entered a rather unruly pub and there were some yobs and they started making ribald comments upon my friend's dress and hat and my friend said "I think we've landed on Zog" No, the "planet Zog" is not a cultural touchstone that you or any reasonably well informed individual should be aware of. The barflies you stumbled upon were most likely attempting to recruit you by triggering your friend's latent mental implant. The "Zog" keyword is reportedly used to activate a pre-existing inclination (possibly implanted artificially). You should look closely at your "friend" to determine if he is actually human, since the fact of his knowing the trigger-word signals probable participation in the advance invasion activities. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
Mr.T wrote:
Are VISTA drivers available for it :-) I would like to use one on my Sinclair ZX81, I wonder if it will work. If it does I will be able to create wonderful monophonic multi part harmony and bring joy to the world... MrT. |
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"dave king" wrote in message ... I would like to use one on my Sinclair ZX81, I wonder if it will work. If the ZX81 will work? Probably not :-) MrT. |
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:00:19 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr _ george
@ comcast . net wrote: albert landa said: By the way did the "planet" Zog feature in a movie, a book or something because I was in London two years ago and was with a friend and his wife and we entered a rather unruly pub and there were some yobs and they started making ribald comments upon my friend's dress and hat and my friend said "I think we've landed on Zog" No, the "planet Zog" is not a cultural touchstone that you or any reasonably well informed individual should be aware of. The barflies you stumbled upon were most likely attempting to recruit you by triggering your friend's latent mental implant. The "Zog" keyword is reportedly used to activate a pre-existing inclination (possibly implanted artificially). You should look closely at your "friend" to determine if he is actually human, since the fact of his knowing the trigger-word signals probable participation in the advance invasion activities. That's good to know, George. It certainly explains a lot in my life. |
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Radium wrote:
Hi: I know I've brought this extremely-off-topic subject up -- and in other groups -- before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. I hate soundfonts, emulations, softsynths, and sample playback MIDI synths. I request that readers please read this message from began to end until they fully understand it. To be honest, I've tried "white hat guy" tactics for along time in many forums [such as the Creative Labs forums] and have either been ridiculed, ignored, or given wrong information [on purpose]. As for hiring someone to make a card, its going to cost $$billions and even then they still might do a shabby job. Like most people, I don't have anywhere near the amount of money necessary to get someone to make a customized MIDI synth for me. Am I better off building own FM synth chip design myself after learning about how it works? I mean, I just don't have the money necessary to make someone do it for me. Its so very unlikely that anyone will be willing to do it for me because that person already has billions in his/her account and has nothing to lose by refusing me or building the FM chip in a defective manner, no matter how kind and patient I am. Hell, such rich folks have nothing to lose by attaching a dynamite to it and then laughing sadisticaly as my room catches fire when I turn the synth on. For these dudes, its do all at your own risk, nothing guaranteed at all. These guys just don't care. All they want is money, but they already have too much of it. So there is no incentive for them to build me a professional, upgraded version of CMS220. Even if I was the richest and friendliest individual on earth, I'd still be taking a *huge* risk in requesting anyone to build any customized hardware for me. Cuz they still wouldn't give a f--- CMS220 has one of the best synth pads. Try comparing the quality of polysynth-pads of a sample playback MIDI synth to that of CMS220. Polysynth pads are my favorite instrument in Creative Music Synth [220]. Nothing sounds more refreshing the sound of SB16's polysynth pads with the central channel removed. The halo-pads of CMS220 provide a touching psychedelic sound. Compare that to the stale, boring, halo-pads of a soundfont based MIDI synth. Once again, the synth pads of softsynths really stink. In CMS220, theyare far more pleasant. Polysynth on FM gets to exploit its main advantage, dynamic synthesis. The tone was generated on an FM synth, so naturally an FM synth can do it better than any stinky soundfont kakaa. On the Creative website -- forums.creative.com -- I am known as "CMS220" In the above link, is where I take revenge against the following: 1. Creative Technology for no longer making or upgrading Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Customers who like -- or don't mind -- sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts 3. Customers who dislike -- or don't care for - Creative Music Synth [220] On the Creative Technology site, I first asked my questions politely but no one answered me. I then got frustrated and vented all my anger. Now those jerks know how I feel. I lost control of my temper and used very bad words. As a result, any computer with my home IP address cannot access the Creative forums. Also, if I login under the name "CMS220" in any part of the world, the Creative site will automatically ban access to its forums from that network. They've banned access to the forums from three places already because I logged in under CMS220. They've got some auto-ban type of feature, it seems. It started off like this. I asked in the Creative Technology http://forums.creative.com as politely as I could. I waited a couple of weeks. No response. I asked again as politely as I could, waited another few weeks. Again no answers. I tried on the third and last time as politely as I could. AGAIN, no answers!!! I then got impatient and aggressive. I started venting my anger in those forums. I used bad words. As a result, they've permanently banned my IP and I can no longer access their forums. What a buncha jerks. Yes, I did get carried away with the foul language but hey, can ya blame me? So I can no longer sign-in under CMS220. I got a new username "SB16- ISA-FM" and logged in from another network outside my house. I started venting my anger again using colorful language. One of the Creative Technology companymen then sent me a warning note, in which he/she/it threatened to contact my ISP and shut-down my internet connection. What those fools don't realize is that I can log in under any name from any network that I am given access to. It doesn't have to be from my house. Maybe if Creative Technology weren't made up of such jerks, then I wouldn't have started spamming their forums in the 1st place. So its not my fault. I would like a real Creative Music Synth [220]. Doesn't have to be in a sound card. It could be a keyboard, a MIDI box or in any other form. Sadly, its not gonna happen because the mechanism by which Creative Music Synth [220] is kept classified as top-secret by Creative Technology Ltd. CMS220 is no longer made yet the sick @$$ company still keeps the working of CMS220 a secret. Creative Technology is a stubborn piece of crap. F--k those stingy secretive *******s. I hate sick sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I just wish the audio communities would revert back to real, non- emulated SB16 FM synthesis and upgrade from there. FM emulation [or any audio emulation for that matter] is sample playback. Sample playback synth = human kakaa SB Live stinks like human kakaa. It has no real music synthesis. Its all kakaa-like emulation. SB16 PCI has the disadvantages of SB16 ISA [e.g. limitation to 16-bit resolution] without the advantages [e.g. *real* FM synthesis]. All SB16 PCIs should be burned in oxyacetylene flames. AFAIK, some PCI cards contain something called 'Yamaha FM synth'. I hate it though because it is emulation. The Avance sound card has 'Avance FM synth', but its also a real stinker as it isn't a real synth. The evil PCI loves to inflict pain on other types of slot -- ISA being the unfortunate victim. PCI cards don't contain real FM synths. Anything kind of 'OPL' a PCI would have, would be emulation. The only 'OPL' any PCI cards have is OPL emulation. Emulation stinks like human diarrhea kakaa foam. I don't understand why a PCI card cannot contain a real FM synth like Creative Music Synth [220]. Is there a technical barrier to this? I can easily tell the difference between the freshness, brightness, warmth, and liveliness of a *real* synth from the stale, cacophonous -- or rather KAKAA-FOAMous -- fart of emulation. Creative Music Synth [220] = SB16 ISA's FM synth = my favorite MIDI synth. I don't care for other MIDI synths. Creative Music Synth [220] is: 1. Real and 2. Digital and 3. Hardware and 4. Real-time All other FM synths are okay. Wavetables are also good. But I don't care for them. Here is my ratings for soundcard MIDI synths: 1. Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Digital hardware FM synths other than Creative Music Synth [220], non-FM digital synths [including *real wavetables*; excluding sample playbacks, soundfonts, and emulations], and analog synths 3. Sample playback synths, soundfonts, softsynths, and emulations of synths. Sample playback synths, soundfonts, softsynths, and emulations are the worst. They all STEEEENK!!!! Soundfonts = thick stinky diarrhea kakaa foam of humans Sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts are the worst audio equipment ever. They are stinky, tickly, itchy, creepy, irritating, farty, foamy, hissy, terrifying, disgusting, and annoying. I like the audio quality of Creative Music Synth [220]. It sounds so warm, fresh, bright, rejuvenating, lively and effervescent. The only thing about Creative Technology that I like is their Creative Music Synth [220]. Other than that, they are a piece of kakaa. Creative Technology is one f--king piece of crap that provides sh--ty customer service. Their tech support is so limited. Creative Technology used to be such a great company 13 years ago. Now there are nothing but stinky-diarrhea-kakaa-foam-of-humans. I've asked them about Creative Music Synth [220] -- through a variety of means, including but not limited to phone, fax, and their online tech support -- only to be totally-ignored. I asked them about this for the past 5 years. Never got a decent answer. In addition, most of their online tech support is pre-written garbage. Creative Technology also uses such f--ked up sickening disgusting sample playback synths in their PCI cards. I wish that a gang of persons who support Creative Music Synth [220] would attack Creative Technology and force them to make hardware versions of Creative Music Synth [220] -- in PCI cards that are compatible with PCI slots and Windows XP -- upgraded from 16-bit to 64- bit-resolution and from 44.1 KHz to 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate. And from there, keep on upgrading! When XP and PCI are obsolete then Creative Technology should be forced to make even newer hardware versions of CMS220 -- with even wider bit-resolutions and higher sample-rates -- that are compatible with the newer hardwares and softwares that will exist in that future time. If Creative Technology refuses, I hope the CMS220-advocating gang ties up the people who make up that company and torturously forces them to repeatedly listen to sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts until those Creative personnel are annoyed with burning headaches and are deathly desperate for an escape. Only then will the people of Creative Technology do the right thing -- make upgraded versions of Creative Music Synth [220]. A rich spoiled-rotten company like Creative deserves to be heinously hijacked and forced to do their duties. The least Creative Technology Ltd could do is put a *real* 64-bit- resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] in a PCI card. But noooooooooooooooooooooo! They are too f--king lazy. Its not just Creative Technology that's responsible. Its also the fault of self-destructive customers who don't mind paying $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$ for those crappy sample playback synths. F--k those customers as well. Masochistic perverts! I don't care if those customers destroy themselves. Though, I sure as f--k don't want them destroying me! Such customers should eat their own stinky diarrhea kakaa foam. If you feed a scum, then you're just as filthy as that scum and I sincerely hope you suffer just as much. I feel like torching the chips of soundfonts, softsynths, emulations, sample playback synths with oxyacetylene flames to distort their audio output. Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite MIDI synth. Its those sample playback synths that are crap. Sadly most MIDI magazines advertise the kakaa-stinky sample playback as a good thing often referring to them as 'wavetables'. These sick marketers call sample playback synthesis 'realistic sounding'. Sample playbacks synths are nothing more than the sound of a stinky fart emitted from a human colon. I've been looking hard for true FM synths. No luck. Most PCI cards have OPL emulation. I hate FM emulation. FM emulation -- much like any sample playback synthesis -- is to the ear what human kakaa is to the nose. I want *real* FM synthesis not some stinky trashy out-of-a-human- behind emulation. Those stinky-f==king marketers who refer to sample playback synthesis as 'wavetables' deserve to be thrown into the sewer and made to eat their own crap. There is a world of different between sample playback synthesis and wavetable synthesis. If you still believe the marketer-induced myth that wavetable synthesis and sample playback synthesis are the same thing, then please educate yourself with the hardcore scientific facts presented on the following link: http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Wavetable-101.pdf Wavetable synthesis is so much better than any kakaa-spitting sample playback synth but not nearly as heavenly as *true* FM synthesis. Of all the *true* FM synths, Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite. If a synth is *not*: 1. *Real* AND 2. *Digital* AND 3. *Real-time* AND 4. *Hardware* then it, STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For those of you who think MIDI is something of the past, there are many people who still care about MIDI but unfortunately, these are the sick f--ks who actually like sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. You are SOOOOO wrong if you think MIDI is obsolete. Its just that today's MIDI audio often takes the stinky sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I feel like burning all sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts along with their consumers, and their companies. Sick pieces of stinky thick diarrhea human kakaa foam they are. Vaporize all of those involved with nuclear-fusion flames!!!!! So yes. There plenty of those sample-playback-loving scumbags who still indulge in the evils of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got it????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?! There are tons of evil lovers of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts in the entire world. Try visiting the newsgroups: comp.music.midi and alt.music.midi Majority of those sick f--ks continually hurl insults at Creative Music Synth [220] while praising sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. I feel like surrounding those scumslimes with superhot flames resulting from localized nuclear fusion. I would like to make some replicable magnetic electronic nanobots that will search for sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts in any part of the world and attach to the digital chips of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. These nanobots should contain magnetic receivers that will extract any random environmental magnetic audio signals from 2 kHz to 50 kHz [excluding spikes, square-waves, white noise, brown noise, pink noise and bass sounds]. The nanobots then amplify those signals to the point where they would significantly interfere with -- and cause inductive crosstalk in -- the audio signals in the digital electronic chips of the sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. This will cause sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts to be full of annoying -- and perhaps even frightening -- auditory disruptions from environmental magnetic interference**. That way all companies will be forced to abandon all their sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. In addition, all listeners will be forced to endure the pollution of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts. For those who miss their stinky human kakaa foam of soundfonts, emulations, and sample playback synths, well, f--k them! Voila! No more sample playback MIDI. I demand that MIDI either use CMS220, or that MIDI audio not be used at all. Death to MIDI other than Creative Music Synth [220]. All sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts must be burned badly. That way those involved in MIDI audio will not have much choice other than to listen to [or produce]: 1. Creative Music Synth [220] 2. Digital FM synths other than Creative Music Synth [220] 3. *Real* wavetables 4. Other digital synths [excluding emulations, soundfonts, and sample playback] 5. Analog synths OR, the other option for those sample-playback-loving, emulation- supporting, soundfont-advocating, softsynth-desiring f--kheads is to totally give up on MIDI, get depressed -- due to the absence of sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts, and jump off a cliff!!!! I'll see to it that revenge is mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **Note: The magnetic signals that interfere with those digital chips should be purely-analog. I just love it when purely-analog magnetic signals cause significant disruptions in purely-digital chip-based parts of electronic devices that I don't like. Sample playback MIDI synths, softsynths, emulations, and soundfonts are an example of digital electronic devices that I don't like so I want to victimize them in this manner -- i.e. via magnetic interferences. I try playing Creative Music Synth [220], through my so called 'karaoke voice canceller' -- which inverts the phase of one stereo channel [right or left] and then combines it the other channel -- which results in anything identical in both the left and right channels being removed. I get a mono of what was different in the left and right channels. When I play Creative Music Synth [220] audio through the voice- canceller, it sounds more treble, sharper, brighter, warmer, and crisper than when I don't use the voice canceller. Due to the above, my MIDI synth dream would be a mono, 64-bit- resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] based on the signals that were phased differently in the original CMS220. CMS220 is a stereo FM synth who left and right signals are phased differently, this is why I get a different sound when I play throught voice-canceller. The signals of CMS220 that have the same phase for both L and R have a more cheesy sine-wave quality which I don't care for. The signals in CMS220 that are phased differently in L and R tend to resemble a fresher sawtooth-wave quality which I like. That is why I want my version of CMS220 to be based on the sounds that were phased differently in the original CMS220. I want my version to be monoaural because I want all speakers to give out the same signal. Try listening to a sample playback MIDI synth -- such as SoundMax's MIDI synth -- and compare that to Creative Music Synth [220]. You'll *definitely* notice the difference. SoundMax MIDI synth audio is to the ear what stinky thick diarrhea kakaa foam of humans is to the nose. The Crystal soundfont is even worse than SoundMax. Creative Music Synth [220], OTOH, is auditory paradise. Any understanding, cooperation, and assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Radium Check out AudioScience.com and see if there is something there, tell them JimD sent you and see the reaction if it's good go with it, if it's bad call me a dirty asshole......... |
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On Feb 28, 12:29 am, "Radium" wrote:
Currently, my CMS220 works fine, however, due to the laws of physics, its circuits are eventually going to breakdown in my lifetime. I don't want that. Since your concern is that the card will stop working within your lifetime, the solution to this is obviously to kill yourself and your concern will be alleviated. Or, you could take off your tinfoil hat so the aliens could tell you the answer like they've kindly been trying to do. Another option would be to learn all about electronics and component manufacturing and replicate the card yourself. Even allowing for the numerous breaks you'd take to masturbate in your own feces to pictures of your mother while sniffing her soiled panties, this will take far less time than it did to compose your original babblefest, of which I sadly only read a few lines of. But that was more than enough to understand your fundamental problem, which is that you were born. |
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On Feb 28, 6:29 am, "Radium" wrote:
On Feb 27, 9:13 pm, "Mark Jerde" wrote: I would appreciate a *short* summary of the problem(s) you're trying to solve. I don't understand your point(s) from a quick look-see at your post. The problem is that Creative Music Synth [220] is my favorite soundcard MIDI synth because of its audio quality. The CMS220 uses a Yamaha YMF262 chip, just as the Sound Blaster Pro I once used. A lot of people actually love the sound of those old FM chips since they sound oddly warm. I myself actually recorded some stuff off my old SoundBlaster just because of the sound of that one chip. It's just to say that I follow you so far. My PC is the only PC that contains SB16 ISA -- which contains CMS220 chip. Currently, my CMS220 works fine, however, due to the laws of physics, its circuits are eventually going to breakdown in my lifetime. I don't want that. If my CMS220 loses its circuits due to old age, I want a replacement or repair. But no one will do that. No one will repair the CMS220 or replace it with an exact replica. Instead -- being the sadistic turds they are -- they will tell me to get a new sound card. Today's sound cards contain soundfonts, softsynths, emulations, or sample playback MIDI synths -- all of which I truly hate. So if my ISA soundcard breaks, I am screwed. I hate this situation. If you are really smitten with the sound of the YMF262, you might try to make a hardware unit that uses this chip. For instance, this one: http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html I am afraid though that you will have to assemble it yourself. I didn't find any ready-built ones anyway. There are also other cards that use the same chip, like the AdLib, so you might like to check those out. In addition, I would like an upgrade of my existing CMS220. The upgrade should be based on the signals that are phased differently in my current CMS220. I try playing Creative Music Synth [220], through my so called 'karaoke voice canceller' -- which inverts the phase of one stereo channel [right or left] and then combines it the other channel -- which results in anything identical in both the left and right channels being removed. I get a mono of what was different in the left and right channels. When I play Creative Music Synth [220] audio through the voice- canceller, it sounds more treble, sharper, brighter, warmer, and crisper than when I don't use the voice canceller. I like such qualities. So why don't you keep on using that same effect then? It's no use to change the basic chip to accomodate your wishes. It's like adding a distortion or a phaser to a Gibson Les Paul guitar, where you could simply add those effects yourself. Also, those chips are OLD... they are likely not manufactured anymore. So, my MIDI synth dream would be a mono, 64-bit-resolution, 2.88-Ghz- sample-rate, version of Creative Music Synth [220] based on the signals that were phased differently in the original CMS220. And here is where I totally don't get you anymore. The CMS220 has its parrticular sound qualities just *because* of the severe limitations of its sound chip. Upgrading its resolution and sample rate would actually totally ruin the original characteristics. In short: you'd get more or less the same thing as you can buy already (although without that unrealistically high sample rate). CMS220 is a stereo FM synth who left and right signals are phased differently, this is why I get a different sound when I play throught voice- canceller. The signals of CMS220 that have the same phase for both L and R have a more cheesy sine-wave quality which I don't care for. The signals in CMS220 that are phased differently in L and R tend to resemble a fresher sawtooth-wave quality which I like. That is why I want my version of CMS220 to be based on the sounds that were phased differently in the original CMS220. I want my version to be monoaural because I want all speakers to give out the same signal. Well, I gave you a site where schematics to make your own YMF262-based synthesizer. You could enhance it with anything else you might desire, so why don't you go for it? RS |
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On Mar 9, 6:55 am, "Richard Smol" wrote:
The CMS220 uses a Yamaha YMF262 chip, just as the Sound Blaster Pro I once used. A lot of people actually love the sound of those old FM chips since they sound oddly warm. I myself actually recorded some stuff off my old SoundBlaster just because of the sound of that one chip. It's just to say that I follow you so far. Yes. Creative Music Synth does provide warm sounding qualities. If you are really smitten with the sound of the YMF262, you might try to make a hardware unit that uses this chip. For instance, this one: http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html I am afraid though that you will have to assemble it yourself. I didn't find any ready-built ones anyway. There are also other cards that use the same chip, like the AdLib, so you might like to check those out. Oh Cool!!! How much would it cost for me to get someone to assemble it for me? So why don't you keep on using that same effect then? It's no use to change the basic chip to accomodate your wishes. Cuz, I'd rather all of the effects be performed via the digital FM domain. Even before the FM carrier signal reaches the amplitude- processing part. Better yet, instead of adding that effect, I would like FM chip to be built based on that effect. IOW, the sounds should be what they would be like if they were only the signals that the out- of-phase signals were in the original stereo FM chip. And here is where I totally don't get you anymore. The CMS220 has its parrticular sound qualities just *because* of the severe limitations of its sound chip. Upgrading its resolution and sample rate would actually totally ruin the original characteristics. In short: you'd get more or less the same thing as you can buy already (although without that unrealistically high sample rate). I doubt it. What makes you so sure? Well, I gave you a site where schematics to make your own YMF262-based synthesizer. You could enhance it with anything else you might desire, so why don't you go for it? Well, thanks a bunch for that website. |
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On Mar 9, 7:45 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 9, 6:55 am, "Richard Smol" wrote: The CMS220 uses a Yamaha YMF262 chip, just as the Sound Blaster Pro I once used. A lot of people actually love the sound of those old FM chips since they sound oddly warm. I myself actually recorded some stuff off my old SoundBlaster just because of the sound of that one chip. It's just to say that I follow you so far. Yes. Creative Music Synth does provide warm sounding qualities. It's not commonly known as the "Creative Music Synth" though , so that might cause quite a bit of confusion with people you ask about it. You'd better refer to it as the "OPL3" or the "YMF262 chip", so people will know what you're talking about. There is a select group of people that likes the sound of this chip, comparable to the Commodore SID scene and those people will not frown upon it when you ask about this "non-professional" piece of equipment. BTW: I personally believe that anything that makes sound can be used professionally, but that's another discussion entirely. If you are really smitten with the sound of the YMF262, you might try to make a hardware unit that uses this chip. For instance, this one: http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html I am afraid though that you will have to assemble it yourself. I didn't find any ready-built ones anyway. There are also other cards that use the same chip, like the AdLib, so you might like to check those out. Oh Cool!!! How much would it cost for me to get someone to assemble it for me? You might join the forum on that site and ask politely if someone will assemble it for you and how much they charge. Alternatively - and actually even better - you might try to assemble one yourself and use the forum as a source of help. People in that scene are generally very helpful and when you're polite and show a lot of self-dependency - e.g. you shouldn't ask about every tidbit, but only when you get stuck. It's a great way to know more about the technology you're using ... and you might even get to make that chip sound even better.The stuff you need is also not very expensive, so you can afford some misses. But please, don't go on ranting on those forums like you do here. It puts a lot of people off. Stay positive and focus on what you want: the sound of that chip in a handy package. So why don't you keep on using that same effect then? It's no use to change the basic chip to accomodate your wishes. Cuz, I'd rather all of the effects be performed via the digital FM domain. Even before the FM carrier signal reaches the amplitude- processing part. Better yet, instead of adding that effect, I would like FM chip to be built based on that effect. IOW, the sounds should be what they would be like if they were only the signals that the out- of-phase signals were in the original stereo FM chip. The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular sound. What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW: you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so nobody will be able to help you in that regard. Personally, I would prefer the raw sound of the chip itself. It has lovely bells, for instance, just look at this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtnUMpykQLc Most of the sounds you hear are from that chip. And here is where I totally don't get you anymore. The CMS220 has its parrticular sound qualities just *because* of the severe limitations of its sound chip. Upgrading its resolution and sample rate would actually totally ruin the original characteristics. In short: you'd get more or less the same thing as you can buy already (although without that unrealistically high sample rate). I doubt it. What makes you so sure? Because the sound is caused by the technical specifications of the chip. That counts for *all* hardware-devices. Take a SID-chip, for instance.. it sounds radically different still (and is even more primitive). Trust me, you want the chip to be as original as possible to get your type of sound. The slightly out-of-phase character of the YMF262 is caused by the limitations of that chip - frankly, it's an error! But errors like that can sound lovely ... to some ears at least BTW: one think to consider is that the chips of that era were also notoriously unstable, e.g. a chip could sound slightly different from one production run to another. It might take some tweaking to get exactly the same sound you like... but that is all part of the game! Well, I gave you a site where schematics to make your own YMF262-based synthesizer. You could enhance it with anything else you might desire, so why don't you go for it? Well, thanks a bunch for that website. You're welcome. Now get to work to make your dream synth. Stay positive and get out your soldering iron. Just make sure to take safetly precautions RS |
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On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote:
The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular sound. As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh, and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would hear w/out the voice-canceller. What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW: you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so nobody will be able to help you in that regard. So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262? To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called Wavelab. I do the following 1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a 44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file. 2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase of one of the channels [left or right] 3. I then convert this file to mono. Voila! My favorite effect!!!! NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary. Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220. |
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Radium wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote: The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular sound. As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh, and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would hear w/out the voice-canceller. What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW: you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so nobody will be able to help you in that regard. So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262? Of course it would. All you need is a YMF262 as the basis of such a thing. To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called Wavelab. I do the following 1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a 44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file. 2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase of one of the channels [left or right] 3. I then convert this file to mono. Voila! My favorite effect!!!! NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary. And now for the punchline. What you're doing (by your description above) is building an incredibly basic sample-based sofsynth. You know... human kaka and all that? Same, same. A full set of note-for-note wave audio files that you've made in exactly this way (you do know what these things you've made *are*, don't you? They're audio samples - the same things you claim to hate) can be loaded into pretty much every "human-kaka etc." sample-based softsynth that supports soundfonts (which are nothing but programmable wave-sample files, after all)... .... and voila! Your favourite sounds can now be reproduced faithfully (1 part in 65536 of amplitude) in almost any hardware configuration you'll come up against. Won't cost you a penny... just time invested in putting the soundfonts together (it's not difficult)... and no one ... no one anywhere... will *ever* see you bitching about this nonsense again. Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220. Who cares? Now shut up and get to work. |
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On Mar 10, 3:39 pm, "Michael" wrote:
What you're doing (by your description above) is building an incredibly basic sample-based sofsynth. I am well aware of that. Which is why I state before, in http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...0fa1670?hl=en& : "Better yet, instead of adding that effect, I would like FM chip to be built based on that effect. IOW, the sounds should be what they would be like if they were only the signals that the out-of-phase signals were in the original stereo FM chip." |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote: The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular sound. As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh, and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would hear w/out the voice-canceller. What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW: you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so nobody will be able to help you in that regard. So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262? To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called Wavelab. I do the following 1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a 44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file. 2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase of one of the channels [left or right] 3. I then convert this file to mono. Voila! My favorite effect!!!! NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary. Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220. BTW, I also have an external analog voice-canceller that does similar stuff. I try feeding only *one* channel [L or R] from the synth to *both* channels [using a stereo split] of the voice canceller. I get nothing. However, if I feed both channels of the voice-canceller with both the left and right of the synth, then I get the effect. This shows that the synth itself does have significantly-loud signals whose phases are very different in the left and right channels. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
Radium wrote:
On Mar 10, 3:39 pm, "Michael" wrote: What you're doing (by your description above) is building an incredibly basic sample-based sofsynth. I am well aware of that. Which is why I state before, in http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...0fa1670?hl=en& "Better yet, instead of adding that effect, I would like FM chip to be built based on that effect. IOW, the sounds should be what they would be like if they were only the signals that the out-of-phase signals were in the original stereo FM chip." Tell me something, will you? Are you absolutely *insisting* that you must have decades-backward-compatible hardware for a newer computer, or is it just the precise *sounds* from the synth you like most that you're after? Seriously. If the former is really your point here, then it's plain that you're a fixated nutcase with nothing better to do with his time than **** and moan about being overtaken by technological change... in which case, you *really* should get out among humanity's great unwashed a hell of a lot more often than you've managed since - what? - 1985? Why the hell would *anyone* in their right mind go to tlla the trouble and expense required to make a single chip? Nowaday's doing that sort of thing's cheapest by *far* when done on just one chip, but even assuming that you've already done (or paid a lot of very expensive talentto do) the logic design and engineering for such a thing, made your own masks and , it will *still* cost you a few million dollars to produce the first prototype. You *personally* now have the massive computing speed/power at your fingertips (and more) that was available only to "supercomputers" in the YMF262's early days (today's CPUs and audio-processors with decent software outperform almost *all* of the early/mid 1980s home-computing hardware), which you can easily put to use for *exactly* the same result without a penny spent and only a few hours invested in audio capture and soundfont programming? What's more... if you take the trouble to do it properly, there might be a few dozen people (hey... maybe *hundreds*!) who'd be willing to pay you for the privilege of *using* those soundfonts so they can have the same cutesy faux-FM sounds at their fingertips. But do you care? I wonder. |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On Mar 10, 10:56 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote: The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular sound. As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh, and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would hear w/out the voice-canceller. That's a subjective impression. Now try to convert that into an objective one. What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW: you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so nobody will be able to help you in that regard. So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262? Yes, it is. I just posted a link to a web-site for a DIY synth that is just exactly what you wanted. Failing that, you could simply collect old PCs with SoundBlaster 16 cards. And, failing even that, you could get yourself a copy of DosBox, which has an extremely accurate emulation of the OLP3 chip and is entirely free. http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/ And for making music on your beloved YMF262, you could use a tracker like the Adlib Tracker II: http://www.adlibtracker.net/ Heck, if you're hell-bent on getting your way, you could even try to make your FM-synth/voice canceller hybrid in something like MAX/MSP: http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp Be creative and try to come up with solutions that are both fun and practical. Griping on public forums about obsolete technology won't help you in the least. To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called Wavelab. I do the following 1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a 44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file. 2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase of one of the channels [left or right] 3. I then convert this file to mono. Voila! My favorite effect!!!! So you essentially *sample* the chip and then apply effects to it. So why don't you put those samples in a sampler and then make some music with it? If you really hate software samplers, you could even get yourself a second-hand Boss SP-303 and have a ball. As I said: try to be creative. NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary. Yes, it lets you sample the output directly, e.g. it makes samples out of stuff you play in real time. Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220. Which is relevant *how*? I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way. That's not a very productive way to spend your time. RS |
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My brutally honest opinions on *soundcard* MIDI synths.
On Mar 11, 11:13 am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On 11 Mar 2007 03:04:47 -0700, wrote: On Mar 10, 10:56 pm, "Radium" wrote: On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote: The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular sound. As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh, and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would hear w/out the voice-canceller. That's a subjective impression. Now try to convert that into an objective one. What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW: you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so nobody will be able to help you in that regard. So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262? Yes, it is. I just posted a link to a web-site for a DIY synth that is just exactly what you wanted. Failing that, you could simply collect old PCs with SoundBlaster 16 cards. And, failing even that, you could get yourself a copy of DosBox, which has an extremely accurate emulation of the OLP3 chip and is entirely free. http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/ And for making music on your beloved YMF262, you could use a tracker like the Adlib Tracker II: http://www.adlibtracker.net/ Heck, if you're hell-bent on getting your way, you could even try to make your FM-synth/voice canceller hybrid in something like MAX/MSP: http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp Be creative and try to come up with solutions that are both fun and practical. Griping on public forums about obsolete technology won't help you in the least. To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called Wavelab. I do the following 1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a 44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file. 2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase of one of the channels [left or right] 3. I then convert this file to mono. Voila! My favorite effect!!!! So you essentially *sample* the chip and then apply effects to it. So why don't you put those samples in a sampler and then make some music with it? If you really hate software samplers, you could even get yourself a second-hand Boss SP-303 and have a ball. As I said: try to be creative. NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary. Yes, it lets you sample the output directly, e.g. it makes samples out of stuff you play in real time. Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220. Which is relevant *how*? I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way. That's not a very productive way to spend your time. RS As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his tedious posts at second hand. You could just ignore the posts or - failing that - put *me* in your kill file. I don't care either way. RS |
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