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Arny thumps his chest once again
Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about
Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several: http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Note that the article is not available on the web. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. Anyone? |
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Harry's Latest Flight Of Fancy Starring Arny Krueger.
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several: http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. |
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Harry's Latest Flight Of Fancy Starring Arny Krueger.
On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several: http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Ludovic MIrabel. No on |
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Harry's Latest Flight Of Fancy Starring Arny Krueger.
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oups.com On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several: http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 |
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Poor widdle Kwooborg
The Krooborg begins his konfession. Talk about how it is possible for a person[sic], filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior Actually, Arnii, your self-pity bouts have long preceded any exercises in accountability you might have tried. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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Arny thumps his chest once again
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Yeah, the soundman and FOH engineer sure filled me with self-pity, Arns. This....?? Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. I bow to your superior (but irrelevant) knowledge of the price of capsules, Arny. Such pricing was hardly my main point. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. In other words, you are agreeing with me. Nice of you to say so. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. In other words, you are confirming that my conclusion is correct. Nice of you to say so. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several: http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. As you found when you scanned for them this morning, Arny. So what pont were you trying to make, Arny (see below, folks...harry)? So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. I hope this isn't another one of those "co-authored" articles where your contribution appears in a footnote, Arny. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. And you think my alternate meaning was.... ? Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. In which case it was an irrelevant non-sequitor in the thread and context in which you inserted it. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. Then why did you imply that you discovered the relevant technology of the Niant over 20 years ago, and that the web had been filled with articles about it since then? That IS my point, Arny. Thanks for confirming it. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Funny that you have know about it for years, Arny, since it was first introduced less than a year ago. From their current web site: "The MSH-1 series has been a tremendous success since its introduction in May 2006. On February 3, 2007, the 1,000th MSH-1 mic was sold!" (The MSH-1 series is their first mic line...what we have been talking about...with several variants....harry). Yet another example of Arnie's inability to admit not being first in knowledge of everything, I guess. I didn't mention this in my original post, but Arny's first post in RAPLS followed my posting that I had experience with the mics. I guess he couldn't stand the thought of me being ahead of him in information in any way, shape, or form. Anyone? Anybody have a copy of Arny's article? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. |
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Harry's Latest Flight Of Fancy Starring Arny Krueger.
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message oups.com On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several: http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation? |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation? http://www.nleindex.com |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message . .. Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation? http://www.nleindex.com I do see that this weird index eliminates the authors of the articles it references. Accordingly, it is of somewhat limited use for the purposes of verifying your authorship. But we now have a definite citation to look for. Thank you, Arny. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Harry Lavo" wrote in message . .. Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com Straw men burning everywhere. Show me where I said, much less have conclusively claimed to have proven, that the article doesn't exist. I implied it was possible, given your past track record. You have given a citation. I have looked it up. An article as cited exists. The citation doesn't include authors names so we have only your word that you are one of the authors...and that should be enough, except that in the past you have made similar claims that turned out not to be true. So a little scepticism is warrented. The main point, however, is that you have already admitted the article doesn't deal in any relevant way with the implication you wished to give by mentioning it in the first place....implying that somehow the Niaint Mic wasn't worthy of a second thought because you had already "invented it" 20 years prior. When in fact you hadn't. Your mic was an electret measurement microphone. The Niaint is a balanced, phantom-powered recording microphone. |
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On Feb 19, 6:48 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om "Arny Krueger" wrote in message m... I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation? http://www.nleindex.com I do see that this weird index eliminates the authors of the articles it references. Accordingly, it is of somewhat limited use for the purposes of verifying your authorship. But we now have a definite citation to look for. Thank you, Arny.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Master Krueger asks us to believe that he HE HIMSELF ie. Krueger is so swamped by the numbers of the articles he produced that he keeps no copies, poor thing. Krueger you are a childish liar. Your idiotic wriggles and dances about that nonexixtent article being referred to in somebody' else's text on a related subject is another proof that you are corrupting this forum beyond repair. They have your "article" but you don't! They don't quote you by name or the title of the article but you quote them. You have no shame. Ludovic Mirabel. |
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ups.com On Feb 19, 6:48 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation? http://www.nleindex.com I do see that this weird index eliminates the authors of the articles it references. Accordingly, it is of somewhat limited use for the purposes of verifying your authorship. But we now have a definite citation to look for. Thank you, Arny.- Master Krueger asks us to believe that he HE HIMSELF ie. Krueger is so swamped by the numbers of the articles he produced that he keeps no copies, poor thing. Sue me for not living in the past. Krueger you are a childish liar. Your idiotic wriggles and dances about that nonexixtent article being referred to in somebody' else's text on a related subject is another proof that you are corrupting this forum beyond repair. They have your "article" but you don't! They don't quote you by name or the title of the article but you quote them. You have no shame. Wow, what a temper tantrum! Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? Sad. Very sad. |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Harry Lavo" wrote in message . .. Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com Straw men burning everywhere. As usual Harry won't stand behind his recent statements. Show me where I said, much less have conclusively claimed to have proven, that the article doesn't exist. What's unclear about: "Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery." I implied it was possible, given your past track record. You have given a citation. I have looked it up. An article as cited exists. The citation doesn't include authors names so we have only your word that you are one of the authors...and that should be enough, except that in the past you have made similar claims that turned out not to be true. Nonsense. Prove the existence of even one of them Harry or admit that you are an insufferable liar. So a little scepticism is warrented. Nahh Harry, you can't stand to think that in the case of using electret mics for recording and measurements, I'm more than 20 years ahead of you. The main point, however, is that you have already admitted the article doesn't deal in any relevant way with the implication you wished to give by mentioning it in the first place.... What implication? The one you fantasized? LOL! implying that somehow the Niaint Mic wasn't worthy of a second thought because you had already "invented it" 20 years prior. Another fantasy. The Niaint mic is what it is. It's a cheap, stripped down version of a very cheap but more complete and probably better-designed mic. When in fact you hadn't. What fact? Show where I said that I built a mic with phantom power support and balanced output, Harry. Do that or admit that you're a habitual insufferable liar. Your mic was an electret measurement microphone. That several of us, including myself used for recording. The Niaint is a balanced, phantom-powered recording microphone. So it is. So what? Now, I'll really **** you off Harry. The mic design that my friend and I came up with over 20 years ago was some years later used in a ground-breaking measurement technique which was described in an AES paper. Have a nice day, Harry! ;-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Harry Lavo" wrote in message . .. Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com Straw men burning everywhere. As usual Harry won't stand behind his recent statements. Show me where I said, much less have conclusively claimed to have proven, that the article doesn't exist. What's unclear about: "Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery." I implied it was possible, given your past track record. You have given a citation. I have looked it up. An article as cited exists. The citation doesn't include authors names so we have only your word that you are one of the authors...and that should be enough, except that in the past you have made similar claims that turned out not to be true. Nonsense. Prove the existence of even one of them Harry or admit that you are an insufferable liar. So a little scepticism is warrented. Nahh Harry, you can't stand to think that in the case of using electret mics for recording and measurements, I'm more than 20 years ahead of you. The main point, however, is that you have already admitted the article doesn't deal in any relevant way with the implication you wished to give by mentioning it in the first place.... What implication? The one you fantasized? LOL! implying that somehow the Niaint Mic wasn't worthy of a second thought because you had already "invented it" 20 years prior. Another fantasy. The Niaint mic is what it is. It's a cheap, stripped down version of a very cheap but more complete and probably better-designed mic. When in fact you hadn't. What fact? Show where I said that I built a mic with phantom power support and balanced output, Harry. Do that or admit that you're a habitual insufferable liar. Your mic was an electret measurement microphone. That several of us, including myself used for recording. The Niaint is a balanced, phantom-powered recording microphone. So it is. So what? Now, I'll really **** you off Harry. The mic design that my friend and I came up with over 20 years ago was some years later used in a ground-breaking measurement technique which was described in an AES paper. Have a nice day, Harry! ;-) My last word, Arny. You dragged a peripheral project of yours (however laudible) into a rec.audio.pro.live-sound thread when it wasn't relevant, simply to imply that the mics under discussion -- the Naiant -- were "old stuff". When the only relevance to what you did twenty years ago was to perhaps use the same capsule. It showed your insufferable ego, however weak it is that it requires bolstering through puffery. |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Harry Lavo" wrote in message . .. Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com Straw men burning everywhere. As usual Harry won't stand behind his recent statements. Show me where I said, much less have conclusively claimed to have proven, that the article doesn't exist. What's unclear about: "Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery." I implied it was possible, given your past track record. You have given a citation. I have looked it up. An article as cited exists. The citation doesn't include authors names so we have only your word that you are one of the authors...and that should be enough, except that in the past you have made similar claims that turned out not to be true. Nonsense. Prove the existence of even one of them Harry or admit that you are an insufferable liar. So a little scepticism is warrented. Nahh Harry, you can't stand to think that in the case of using electret mics for recording and measurements, I'm more than 20 years ahead of you. The main point, however, is that you have already admitted the article doesn't deal in any relevant way with the implication you wished to give by mentioning it in the first place.... What implication? The one you fantasized? LOL! implying that somehow the Niaint Mic wasn't worthy of a second thought because you had already "invented it" 20 years prior. Another fantasy. The Niaint mic is what it is. It's a cheap, stripped down version of a very cheap but more complete and probably better-designed mic. When in fact you hadn't. What fact? Show where I said that I built a mic with phantom power support and balanced output, Harry. Do that or admit that you're a habitual insufferable liar. Your mic was an electret measurement microphone. That several of us, including myself used for recording. The Niaint is a balanced, phantom-powered recording microphone. So it is. So what? Now, I'll really **** you off Harry. The mic design that my friend and I came up with over 20 years ago was some years later used in a ground-breaking measurement technique which was described in an AES paper. Have a nice day, Harry! ;-) My last word, Arny. We should all be so lucky! You dragged a peripheral project of yours (however laudible) into a rec.audio.pro.live-sound thread when it wasn't relevant, simply to imply that the mics under discussion -- the Naiant -- were "old stuff". The Naint is old news. It might be new to you Harry, but it was old news, even as an eBay product. When the only relevance to what you did twenty years ago was to perhaps use the same capsule. Harry it was most certainly *not* the same capsule, because the capsule we used has been out of production for a decade or more. Wanna try again and maybe at least say *something* right? It showed your insufferable ego, however weak it is that it requires bolstering through puffery. What to say about someone who makes this kind of fuss over a statement that was entirely factual, even on several different levels? Wounded ego, pure and simple. |
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"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
The only thing that has been authenticated about Arny's publication record is that he lied about it. You're just sore Bob because you didn't follow the instructions I gave you for burning a gapless CD, and ended up with a CD that played with gaps. |
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On Feb 20, 4:22 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com On Feb 19, 6:48 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news:08WdnTmqxZCRmUfYnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast. com... I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation? http://www.nleindex.com I do see that this weird index eliminates the authors of the articles it references. Accordingly, it is of somewhat limited use for the purposes of verifying your authorship. But we now have a definite citation to look for. Thank you, Arny.- Master Krueger asks us to believe that he HE HIMSELF ie. Krueger is so swamped by the numbers of the articles he produced that he keeps no copies, poor thing. Sue me for not living in the past. Krueger you are a childish liar. Your idiotic wriggles and dances about that nonexixtent article being referred to in somebody' else's text on a related subject is another proof that you are corrupting this forum beyond repair. They have your "article" but you don't! They don't quote you by name or the title of the article but you quote them. You have no shame. Wow, what a temper tantrum! Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? Sad. Very sad.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - +++++++++++++++++++++ The following message was sent today to AudioXpress. The Customer Service The AudioXpress Dear Ms LeClair, I hope I'm addressing the right department. All my dealings up till now had been with Mr.Dell but this is hardly an author/editorial matter. I'm looking for an old article by Arnold Krueger. Here are some- not very detailed specifics as supplied by him on the web: One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Note that the article is not available on the web. He could not give anything more detailed, pleading the passage of time. I could not find anything in the local Public Library. I wonder if it would be possible for you to locate it. With thanks Ludovic Mirabel. |
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On Feb 20, 7:38 pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message m... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om... Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com Straw men burning everywhere. As usual Harry won't stand behind his recent statements. Show me where I said, much less have conclusively claimed to have proven, that the article doesn't exist. What's unclear about: "Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery." I implied it was possible, given your past track record. You have given a citation. I have looked it up. An article as cited exists. The citation doesn't include authors names so we have only your word that you are one of the authors...and that should be enough, except that in the past you have made similar claims that turned out not to be true. Nonsense. Prove the existence of even one of them Harry or admit that you are an insufferable liar. So a little scepticism is warrented. Nahh Harry, you can't stand to think that in the case of using electret mics for recording and measurements, I'm more than 20 years ahead of you. The main point, however, is that you have already admitted the article doesn't deal in any relevant way with the implication you wished to give by mentioning it in the first place.... What implication? The one you fantasized? LOL! implying that somehow the Niaint Mic wasn't worthy of a second thought because you had already "invented it" 20 years prior. Another fantasy. The Niaint mic is what it is. It's a cheap, stripped down version of a very cheap but more complete and probably better-designed mic. When in fact you hadn't. What fact? Show where I said that I built a mic with phantom power support and balanced output, Harry. Do that or admit that you're a habitual insufferable liar. Your mic was an electret measurement microphone. That several of us, including myself used for recording. The Niaint is a balanced, phantom-powered recording microphone. So it is. So what? Now, I'll really **** you off Harry. The mic design that my friend and I came up with over 20 years ago was some years later used in a ground-breaking measurement technique which was described in an AES paper. Have a nice day, Harry! ;-) The only thing that has been authenticated about Arny's publication record is that he lied about it. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 ------------------------------------------------ A little documentation: On Nov 14 , last year Krueger writes: Nov 15 "Arny is not listening" thread" "My writings have definately been published in the JAES" No date , no titles, no year, no issue #. John Atkinson #568 Nov. 14 (referring to his previous similar assertion Arny Krueger wrote: The JAES has published a number of works that I authored or co-authored. Not that can be retrieved using the search engine at www.aes.org, Mr. Krueger, using all the alternative spellings of your name, and searching both the index of published papers and the preprint index. Could you supply the references, please. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile Ditto from the Librarian at Toronto University whom I asked for a record of A Krueger's "works and writings" in the JAES Kru8eger answers : *569 Nov. 14 Arny Krueger I never said that I had any papers published in the JAES. No "papers". Just "writings" and "works". What "writings", what "works" ,, he will not say. Was it ads for the ABX switch? He was shown for an unsophisticated schoolyard type liar and stayed quiet till now.He's back trying it again. There is no pleasure or profit debating anything with a liar and a forger beyond lies and forgeries. If Harry and Jenn want to carry on it is up to them. Anytime he wants to tackle me he'll get a refresher course of his past record.. Ludovic MIrabel |
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In article .com,
" wrote: On Feb 20, 7:38 pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message m... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om... Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery. But thanks for confirming it, no matter how inadvertently. Note that Harry has already awarded himself victory on the grounds that he has conclusively proven that the article I claimed most certainly does not exist. Too bad I found a reference to it at http://www.nleindex.com Straw men burning everywhere. As usual Harry won't stand behind his recent statements. Show me where I said, much less have conclusively claimed to have proven, that the article doesn't exist. What's unclear about: "Sorry Arny for catching you out in yet another web of deception and puffery." I implied it was possible, given your past track record. You have given a citation. I have looked it up. An article as cited exists. The citation doesn't include authors names so we have only your word that you are one of the authors...and that should be enough, except that in the past you have made similar claims that turned out not to be true. Nonsense. Prove the existence of even one of them Harry or admit that you are an insufferable liar. So a little scepticism is warrented. Nahh Harry, you can't stand to think that in the case of using electret mics for recording and measurements, I'm more than 20 years ahead of you. The main point, however, is that you have already admitted the article doesn't deal in any relevant way with the implication you wished to give by mentioning it in the first place.... What implication? The one you fantasized? LOL! implying that somehow the Niaint Mic wasn't worthy of a second thought because you had already "invented it" 20 years prior. Another fantasy. The Niaint mic is what it is. It's a cheap, stripped down version of a very cheap but more complete and probably better-designed mic. When in fact you hadn't. What fact? Show where I said that I built a mic with phantom power support and balanced output, Harry. Do that or admit that you're a habitual insufferable liar. Your mic was an electret measurement microphone. That several of us, including myself used for recording. The Niaint is a balanced, phantom-powered recording microphone. So it is. So what? Now, I'll really **** you off Harry. The mic design that my friend and I came up with over 20 years ago was some years later used in a ground-breaking measurement technique which was described in an AES paper. Have a nice day, Harry! ;-) The only thing that has been authenticated about Arny's publication record is that he lied about it. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 ------------------------------------------------ A little documentation: On Nov 14 , last year Krueger writes: Nov 15 "Arny is not listening" thread" "My writings have definately been published in the JAES" No date , no titles, no year, no issue #. John Atkinson #568 Nov. 14 (referring to his previous similar assertion Arny Krueger wrote: The JAES has published a number of works that I authored or co-authored. Not that can be retrieved using the search engine at www.aes.org, Mr. Krueger, using all the alternative spellings of your name, and searching both the index of published papers and the preprint index. Could you supply the references, please. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile Ditto from the Librarian at Toronto University whom I asked for a record of A Krueger's "works and writings" in the JAES Kru8eger answers : *569 Nov. 14 Arny Krueger I never said that I had any papers published in the JAES. No "papers". Just "writings" and "works". What "writings", what "works" ,, he will not say. Was it ads for the ABX switch? Letters to the Editor? He was shown for an unsophisticated schoolyard type liar and stayed quiet till now.He's back trying it again. There is no pleasure or profit debating anything with a liar and a forger beyond lies and forgeries. If Harry and Jenn want to carry on it is up to them. I'm not reading Arny, therefore I'm not responding to anything he writes, other than the occasional "bleedthrough" from others' posts. Anytime he wants to tackle me he'll get a refresher course of his past record.. Ludovic MIrabel I've tried that too, to no effect. For example, he once bitched and bitched about me for not condemning a thread because its title contained his name as part of an "attack thread". Obviously, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, as he AUTHORS such threads with MY name in the titles. When that bit of hypocritical behavior is pointed out to him...well, you can guess the result. |
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On 20 Feb 2007 21:47:27 -0800, "
wrote: The following message was sent today to AudioXpress. The Customer Service The AudioXpress Dear Ms LeClair, I hope I'm addressing the right department. All my dealings up till now had been with Mr.Dell but this is hardly an author/editorial matter. I'm looking for an old article by Arnold Krueger. Here are some- not very detailed specifics as supplied by him on the web: One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Note that the article is not available on the web. He could not give anything more detailed, pleading the passage of time. I could not find anything in the local Public Library. I wonder if it would be possible for you to locate it. With thanks Ludovic Mirabel. You don't mean...you've actually taken Usenet into the outside world? Oh Ludovic, you'll break the magic spell! The one that keeps us here, endlessly locked in mortal combat, for no apparent reason. |
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Ludo said: The only thing that has been authenticated about Arny's publication record is that he lied about it. [snip] He was shown for an unsophisticated schoolyard type liar and stayed quiet till now.He's back trying it again. There is no pleasure or profit debating anything with a liar and a forger beyond lies and forgeries. Oh how wrong you are, Mr. Ludo-san. Krooger has just revealed the "truth" about his massive intellect and legendary leadership abilities: Yeah, its called being reasonbley field independent, an outside-the-box thinker, good critical thinker, and effective problem solver with a long list of worthwhile accomplishments. See? Krooger is klearly interested only in truth and facts. That's why he told us his secrets. Since Krooger is being so honest, I'm sure he would have told us if he is, for example, a pathological liar of unparalleled profusiveness, or a delusional paranoid whack-job, or a misogynistic asshole of epic proportions. But he didn't. No, Krooger has proclaimed himself a paragon of intellectual fortitude and incisiveness. No doubt he will soon be providing all the evidence we could want to support these new revelations, as well as the brilliant insights explaining why all the contrary evidence is valueless. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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Oh Ludovic, you'll break the magic spell! The one that keeps us here, endlessly locked in mortal combat, for no apparent reason. Kid stuff. :-( |
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Robert said: Conclusion: Arny, you really are a pathological liar of the worst sort. And he has 98% purity of you-know-what. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Soundhaspriority" wrote in message The only thing that has been authenticated about Arny's publication record is that he lied about it. You're just sore Bob because you didn't follow the instructions I gave you for burning a gapless CD, and ended up with a CD that played with gaps. But you did not supply any instructions. Obviously they were over your head. Your "advice" was off the point, and utterly irrelevant. Obviously it was over your head. I solved the problem myself, and produced a gapless CD. No you didn't do it by yourself. Shall I count the posts and threads? Conclusion: Arny, you really are a pathological liar of the worst sort. No skin off my nose. You're the one who is a laughing stock over in RAP. We still try to help you, but we know what to expect: A big hard bite on the hand that feeds. |
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George, in my opinion, Arny has actually gotten worse lately. He lies more frequently, and with less sophisticated attempts at concealment. Robert, which meds have you stopped taking lately? Time to get back on. |
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Arny's neuropathology
The Krooborg is pickled. See? Krooger is klearly interested only in truth and facts. That's why he told us his secrets. Since Krooger is being so honest, I'm sure he would have told us if he is, for example, a pathological liar of unparalleled profusiveness, or a delusional paranoid whack-job, or a misogynistic asshole of epic proportions. But he didn't. No, Krooger has proclaimed himself a paragon of intellectual fortitude and incisiveness. No doubt he will soon be providing all the evidence we could want to support these new revelations, as well as the brilliant insights explaining why all the contrary evidence is valueless. George, in my opinion, Arny has actually gotten worse lately. He lies more frequently, and with less sophisticated attempts at concealment. Robert, which meds have you stopped taking lately? Time to get back on. Thank's Mr. Kroofeces for, admitting Krooturd that your birth mother was a filthy drunk and you suffer from FAS Mr. Kroo****. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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On Feb 21, 8:47 am, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Soundhaspriority" wrote in message The only thing that has been authenticated about Arny's publication record is that he lied about it. You're just sore Bob because you didn't follow the instructions I gave you for burning a gapless CD, and ended up with a CD that played with gaps. But you did not supply any instructions. Your "advice" was off the point, and utterly irrelevant. I solved the problem myself, and produced a gapless CD. Conclusion: Arny, you really are a pathological liar of the worst sort. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 ================================ Bob says: " Conclusion: Arny, you really are a pathological liar of the worst sort." Reasonable and well justified. In the past I was ready to make excuses for him as a case of mental aberration. But this typical comment of his shows that it is simply complete absence of any ethical standards: "Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? " To him being told that he is a liar and a forger of documents is just a joking matter. My suggestion is that a discussion with him is impossible. He made this forum into a cesspool with the willing cooperation of those arguing with him. Ignoring him might in time return it to its original purpose Ludovic Mirabel |
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Ludo said: My suggestion is that a discussion with [Krooger] is impossible. He made this forum into a cesspool with the willing cooperation of those arguing with him. You don't say. I wish I'd thought of that. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:49:52 GMT, Jenn
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:05:10 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
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"paul packer" wrote in message
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:05:10 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message Oh Ludovic, you'll break the magic spell! The one that keeps us here, endlessly locked in mortal combat, for no apparent reason. Kid stuff. :-( I don't see you breaking free, Arnie. What is it---ten years now? Sad. You don't get it, do you Paul. I'm the prison keeper. It's Middius and his band of fools that are trapped. |
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Arny thumps his chest once again
"Jenn" wrote in message ... I've tried that too, to no effect. For example, he once bitched and bitched about me for not condemning a thread because its title contained his name as part of an "attack thread". Obviously, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, as he AUTHORS such threads with MY name in the titles. When that bit of hypocritical behavior is pointed out to him...well, you can guess the result. Nothing lamer than killfiling someone then continuing to whine about them. If you want him in your past than put him in your past. ScottW |
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On Feb 19, 3:58 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message roups.com On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several:http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 .. Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________________________________ Krueger said: "Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? " So let's see On the 19th Krueger wrote in this thread: Quoting me: Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. And comments: Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 End of Quote from Krueger. Harry Lavo said: It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. No response from Krueger: The correspondence with the AudioXpress Customer Service follows: I wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, is it possible for you to check who is the author and what is the title of this article: AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . The local Public Libraries do not archive so far back. I have the fragmentary note but am not sure what topic it is related to.. Many thanks for your help. Ludovic Mirabel M.D.,MRCP(Ed),FRCP(C) Reply:: "Dear Mr. Mirabel, The information on page 38 of the 3/84 issue of Audio Amateur is titled "Audio Aids" and is 3 pages of hints from readers. Best Regards, Sharon LeClair Customer Service So much for the "little article that he and a friend wrote". He found a 1984 issue of AA. But he can not locate the one containing his "little article". There is only one thing worse than being a habitual liar. It is being a stupid liar.. Ludovic Mirabel |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 19, 3:58 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message roups.com On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several:http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________________________________ Krueger said: "Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? " So let's see On the 19th Krueger wrote in this thread: Quoting me: Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. And comments: Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 End of Quote from Krueger. Harry Lavo said: It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. No response from Krueger: The correspondence with the AudioXpress Customer Service follows: I wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, is it possible for you to check who is the author and what is the title of this article: AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . The local Public Libraries do not archive so far back. I have the fragmentary note but am not sure what topic it is related to.. Many thanks for your help. Ludovic Mirabel M.D.,MRCP(Ed),FRCP(C) Reply:: "Dear Mr. Mirabel, The information on page 38 of the 3/84 issue of Audio Amateur is titled "Audio Aids" and is 3 pages of hints from readers. Best Regards, Sharon LeClair Customer Service So much for the "little article that he and a friend wrote". He found a 1984 issue of AA. But he can not locate the one containing his "little article". There is only one thing worse than being a habitual liar. It is being a stupid liar.. So...are you claiming his article couldn't have been published in a readers hints section....or that it couldn't have been about a phantom powered capsule mic? Honestly Ludo... claims of liar are a bit absurd when the Readers Hints section is the most probable place for Arny to get something into print. ScottW |
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:25:13 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:05:10 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message Oh Ludovic, you'll break the magic spell! The one that keeps us here, endlessly locked in mortal combat, for no apparent reason. Kid stuff. :-( I don't see you breaking free, Arnie. What is it---ten years now? Sad. You don't get it, do you Paul. I'm the prison keeper. It's Middius and his band of fools that are trapped. Or have the inmates taken over the asylum? |
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On Feb 21, 8:06 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 19, 3:58 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message m... wrote in message roups.com On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several:http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________________________________ Krueger said: "Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? " So let's see On the 19th Krueger wrote in this thread: Quoting me: Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. And comments: Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 End of Quote from Krueger. Harry Lavo said: It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. No response from Krueger: The correspondence with the AudioXpress Customer Service follows: I wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, is it possible for you to check who is the author and what is the title of this article: AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . The local Public Libraries do not archive so far back. I have the fragmentary note but am not sure what topic it is related to.. Many thanks for your help. Ludovic Mirabel M.D.,MRCP(Ed),FRCP(C) Reply:: "Dear Mr. Mirabel, The information on page 38 of the 3/84 issue of Audio Amateur is titled "Audio Aids" and is 3 pages of hints from readers. Best Regards, Sharon LeClair Customer Service So much for the "little article that he and a friend wrote". He found a 1984 issue of AA. But he can not locate the one containing his "little article". So...are you claiming ... ============================= I said as a comment on A.Krueger's documented record: "There is only one thing worse than being a habitual liar. It is being a stupid liar.. ScottW lucidly comments: So...are you claiming Hard to know if he meant to say: "So you claim" or asked: "So...your claim is?" In either case it is in keeping with his usual valuable contributions to RAO. Ludovic Mirabel |
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On Feb 21, 10:13 pm, " wrote:
On Feb 21, 8:06 pm, "ScottW" wrote: wrote in message I see that the Google obligingly quoted pages and pages from the previous messages- well beyond anyone's endurance to stay with it all. So I'll take the liberty to provide a little condensation. I had said as a comment on my documentation of Krueger's performance that there is one thing worse than being a habitual liar: it is being a stupid habitual liar. ScottW contributed: " So...are you claiming" Puzzled, I said: "Hard to know if he (ScottW) meant to say: "So you claim" or asked: "So...your claim is?" In either case it (his comment) is in keeping with his usual invaluable contributions to RAO". I meant of course his magazine clippings about the state of US. and of the whole wide world .. Ludovic Mirabel |
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Harry's Latest Flight Of Fancy Starring Arny Krueger.
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"ScottW" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 19, 3:58 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message roups.com On Feb 19, 8:15 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message om Over in alt.audio.pro.live-sound, a post was made by a FOH engineer about Naiant mics, brought to his attention by another sound man. This is an example of how its possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, misinterprets information offered in good faith: Naiant mics are little known mics hand produced by a studio owner in North Carolina, essentially by bundling a standard electret capsule with circuitry that allows them to be phantom-powered, and then the whole thing encapsulated inside a conventional XLR connector. Moreover, he sells the things for $22, about what the capsule itself costs unless purchased in bulk. Simply not true. The Panasonic capsules in question have been historically available for from $2 to $5 each. The higher-priced (ca. $20) capsules are probably those from Knowles, which are different products. The word has spread viral-like....I stumbled across them during the late fall and bought four of the omnis (plus a cardiod varient) for myself and my son just before Christmas. A test recording of a grand piano showed the omnis to have very acceptable sound when used as a close mic (I didn't test their noise floor as a distance mic). I've made microphones with these capsules over the past 20 years, and aside from their well-known limitations, they can be used to make good-sounding recordings. When the subject came up in rec.audio.pro.live-sound, Arny clearly had not heard of them, but he (probably accurately) guessed they pretty much sounded like a small-footprint version of the cheapo Beringher omni measurement mics that he and Bob Morein and many others use to good effect for some purposes. So far so good. I've disassembled a Behringer ECM 8000, and found that they use an electret capsule that is very similar to the Panasonic capsule, mentioned above. I've compared both mics to B&K calibrated measurement mics, and found that over a fairly wide frequency range any differences are within the calibration curve of the B&K. This morning Arny posted a post, somewhat dismissive in tone, that showed he had scanned the web for articles relating to modifications of electronics to use the capsule with phantom power: "Practical circuits for interfacing the Panasonic capsules can be found all over the web - here are several:http://sound.westhost.com/project93.htm http://www.mp3forkidz.com/mic/ http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/pzm_ch.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic http://www.libinst.com/micassem.htm" Some of these materials have been on the web for up to a decade or more. So far so good....Arny has shown that the idea was not unique to Naiant (although they seem to be the first to have commercialized it for a truly low-cost mic by eliminating any machining). But, and here is the kicker, Arny didn't stop there. In fact before listing the above articles he implies to being one of the founders of the idea: "These things are very old news to some of us - they are just Panasonic 6mm mic capsules hooked up so that they have balanced outputs and work off of phantom power. One of the earliest published articles about the 6 mm Panasonic capsules was written by a friend and I, and was published in the Audio Amateur maybe 20 years or more ago" Simply the truth. A friend of mine (who was chased off of RAO by Alan Derrida among others) and I *discovered* these mics in the Digi-Key catalog way back when, ordered a few when we were ordering other parts from them, and did some of the projects and tests that I meantioned above. Note that the article is not available on the web. Noe doubt a consequence of being so old. Note also that Arny's wording doesn't *say* that the article details a means of applying balanced phantom power to the capsule. But it certainly implies it. That would be one of Harry's mental flights of fancies. Note that I said that the article we wrote was about the capsules. And, so it was. I don't dismiss his claim...Arny is a well-known scrounger of low-end approaches to audio, so coming up with an el-cheapo mic certainly fit his MO. But, just out of curiousity, does anybody here have access to old Audio Amateur mags or a nearby technically-proficient library that could determine whether the article exists, and if it does, whether it bears directly on the issue of phantom-powering the Panasonic capsule. I'd be interested in knowing. I'll cut to the chase, Harry. We didn't discuss phantom power in our old AA article. My suspicion is that Arny is once again reflexively claiming credit by implication, after being surprised by knowledge of a product that he didn't previously know about. That is just another one of Harry's flights of fancy. Selling mics built into XLR plugs on eBay is nothing new. The Niant product is nothing that I haven't known about for years. Anyone? Sorry Harry, but you've finally managed to at least gotten the most obvious facts right, and screwed up badly whenever you departed from the facts that were absolutely obvious and in your face. ----------------------------------------------------- Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . Would you care to give us the citation for where you found the citation?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________________________________ Krueger said: "Ludo, you're older than I am, and you are mouthing off like this. And over what - a little article that a friend and I wrote over 20 years ago? " So let's see On the 19th Krueger wrote in this thread: Quoting me: Master K. mentions a 20 year old article of his in AA."which is no longer available on the web". It is normal practice to give a reference: Author(s), title, year, volume , #, page. Anyone interested can trace it then- in public libraries , from the AA editor or whatever. Till such a reference is given it is justifiable to suspect another one of Master Krueger's flights of fancy. As simple as thet. And comments: Talk about how it is possible for a person, filled with self-pity because he's been held accountable for his own behavior, to misinterpret information offered in good faith: I don't have the magazine at hand, and this article reference omits author names, but this looks pretty close: "Make inexpensive instrumentation microphones using the Panasonic P9932 electret mike." AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 End of Quote from Krueger. Harry Lavo said: It's a little hard to believe that an otherwise professional citation would eliminate the author's names, Arny. No response from Krueger: The correspondence with the AudioXpress Customer Service follows: I wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, is it possible for you to check who is the author and what is the title of this article: AUDIO AMATEUR 3/1984 [Jul 1984] (v.15#3) pg. 38 . The local Public Libraries do not archive so far back. I have the fragmentary note but am not sure what topic it is related to.. Many thanks for your help. Ludovic Mirabel M.D.,MRCP(Ed),FRCP(C) Reply:: "Dear Mr. Mirabel, The information on page 38 of the 3/84 issue of Audio Amateur is titled "Audio Aids" and is 3 pages of hints from readers. Best Regards, Sharon LeClair Customer Service So much for the "little article that he and a friend wrote". He found a 1984 issue of AA. But he can not locate the one containing his "little article". There is only one thing worse than being a habitual liar. It is being a stupid liar.. So...are you claiming his article couldn't have been published in a readers hints section....or that it couldn't have been about a phantom powered capsule mic? Honestly Ludo... claims of liar are a bit absurd when the Readers Hints section is the most probable place for Arny to get something into print. ScottW Arny claims that he co-authored an "article" that was published in AA. If it was indeed in a "hints from readers" section of the mag, and presuming that the nature of "Hints from Readers" is as it sounds, this hardly qualifies as "writing an article" that appeared in a magazine. That would be much like claiming that one had an article published in a newspaper when it was actually a "Letter to the Editor". If anyone is serious about this, simply go to any decent sized library and use one of the basic tools of research: the Reader's Guide to Periodic Literature. |
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