[[email protected]]

I am trying to track down a citation to Julian Hirsch and his comments
on digital audio. Specifically he is supposed to have opined (in 1972
or thereabouts) that a 5% sample of an analog sound signal would be
sufficient to be indistinguishable from the original. This is
supposedly based on some experiments but I can find no reference to
these or this statement anywhere. I would wonder what kind of digital
audio encoders/decoders would even be available in 1972 for this
assertion to be made.

Can anyone point me in the right direction.

Cheers

Jim

[Arny Krueger]

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com

But Hirsch was a notorious apologist for the status quo.

As opposed to Bret Ludwig who is a notorious apologist for retrograde
technology? ;-)

[paul packer]

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:59 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com

But Hirsch was a notorious apologist for the status quo.

As opposed to Bret Ludwig who is a notorious apologist for retrograde
technology? ;-)

Trying to make new friends again, Arny?

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:59 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com

But Hirsch was a notorious apologist for the status quo.

As opposed to Bret Ludwig who is a notorious apologist
for retrograde technology? ;-)

Trying to make new friends again, Arny?

Yeah Paul, I guess you must think that Bret just started posting here.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg 'splains the obvious.

Trying to make new friends again, Arny?

Yeah Paul, I guess you must think that Bret just started posting here.

The "expectation effect" takes many forms, does it not....




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[paul packer]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:59 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com

But Hirsch was a notorious apologist for the status quo.

As opposed to Bret Ludwig who is a notorious apologist
for retrograde technology? ;-)

Trying to make new friends again, Arny?

Yeah Paul, I guess you must think that Bret just started posting here.

Irrelevant, Arnold. The fact that Bret is a long-time poster doesn't
justify you attacking him for no real cause. The fact that you know
his views on hi-fi doesn't justify you attacking him for no real
cause. Your siege mentality is showing again.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said to the Krooborg:

Your siege mentality is showing again.

Arnii is nothing if not a dogged soldierborg. Here he is, at a young and
tender age, showing the world what he's made of.

http://shorterlink.com/?ZBZEJO




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:59 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com

But Hirsch was a notorious apologist for the status
quo.

As opposed to Bret Ludwig who is a notorious apologist
for retrograde technology? ;-)

Trying to make new friends again, Arny?

Yeah Paul, I guess you must think that Bret just started
posting here.

Irrelevant, Arnold. The fact that Bret is a long-time
poster doesn't justify you attacking him for no real
cause.

Irrelevant Paul, because that wasn't the issue that the statement that your
previous post addressed.

It's very Middius-like of you to try to change what you said, given that it
was irrelevant to the situation between Bret and I.

This is a fight that Bret started way back when.

The fact that you know his views on hi-fi doesn't
justify you attacking him for no real cause.

I've got plenty of cause - his initial gratuitous attacks, and his sour
behavior since then.

Your siege mentality is showing again.

How Middius-like of you Paul. I have no siege mentality in general. However
it is well-known among the audio grouups on Usenet that RAO is populated by
idiots and fools such as you, your buddy the Middiot, and Bret.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg's back is up, and out squirts some stinking Krooglish.

between Bret and I.

But you're supposed to be Brattie's sockpuppet, Arnii. Are you having a
schizo episode?

very Middius-like of you
Middius-like of you Paul

Careful, Turdy -- you'll embarass paul with such effusive praise.

I have no siege mentality in general.

How many anti-Krooger conspiracies have you "identified" since you started
polluting Usenet, Arnii? My guess would be 15 to 20. Of course, it's well
known that Goggle™ lies about who posted what and when, so no point in
proving that your 'borganoia is anything more than a passing fad. ;-)




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[paul packer]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:21:45 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said to the Krooborg:

Your siege mentality is showing again.

Arnii is nothing if not a dogged soldierborg. Here he is, at a young and
tender age, showing the world what he's made of.

http://shorterlink.com/?ZBZEJO

Where the hell do you find these links?

[paul packer]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:59:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:59 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com

But Hirsch was a notorious apologist for the status
quo.

As opposed to Bret Ludwig who is a notorious apologist
for retrograde technology? ;-)

Trying to make new friends again, Arny?

Yeah Paul, I guess you must think that Bret just started
posting here.

Irrelevant, Arnold. The fact that Bret is a long-time
poster doesn't justify you attacking him for no real
cause.

Irrelevant Paul, because that wasn't the issue that the statement that your
previous post addressed.

Eh? That wasn't the statement that the issue that the previous
post....eh?

It's very Middius-like of you to try to change what you said, given that it
was irrelevant to the situation between Bret and I.

Firstly, Middius doesn't change what he says--quite the opposite.
Secondly, it wasn't irrelevant. You attacked Bret. If it was an old
grievance....

This is a fight that Bret started way back when.

Okay then....

The fact that you know his views on hi-fi doesn't
justify you attacking him for no real cause.

I've got plenty of cause - his initial gratuitous attacks, and his sour
behavior since then.

And you remember it all, don't you? I responded to your post only
because it was so typical; it sums up why you're constantly in flame
wars. If you could see that, much would change.

Your siege mentality is showing again.

How Middius-like of you Paul.

Do you really think only Middius believes you have a seige mentality?

I have no siege mentality in general. However
it is well-known among the audio grouups on Usenet that RAO is populated by
idiots and fools such as you, your buddy the Middiot, and Bret.

Anybody who would use the phrase "you, your buddy the Middiot" is not
reading the posts or taking in what he reads. Haven't you noticed that
George and I agree on nothing, except perhaps that you have a seige
mentality? There is no conspiracy here, Arnie. There never was. Write
it on the board a hundred times:

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY ON RAO
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY ON RAO
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY ON RAO
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY ON RAO
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY ON RAO

There's the first five for you. Please carry on.......

[TT]

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:21:45 -0500, George M. Middius
cmndr
: [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
:
:
:
: paul packer said to the Krooborg:
:
: Your siege mentality is showing again.
:
: Arnii is nothing if not a dogged soldierborg. Here he is,
at a young and
: tender age, showing the world what he's made of.
:
: http://shorterlink.com/?ZBZEJO
:
: Where the hell do you find these links?

Why not have a look at Google Images and try a search on
"Young Nazi" or "Nazi Uniform" and see what you get.
Obviously if you search on "Krueger digital perfect for
ever" you will probably narrow the search a tad ;-)

Cheers TT

[paul packer]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:40:40 +0900, "TT"
wrote:


"paul packer" wrote in message
...
: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:21:45 -0500, George M. Middius
cmndr
: [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
:
:
:
: paul packer said to the Krooborg:
:
: Your siege mentality is showing again.
:
: Arnii is nothing if not a dogged soldierborg. Here he is,
at a young and
: tender age, showing the world what he's made of.
:
: http://shorterlink.com/?ZBZEJO
:
: Where the hell do you find these links?

Why not have a look at Google Images and try a search on
"Young Nazi" or "Nazi Uniform" and see what you get.
Obviously if you search on "Krueger digital perfect for
ever" you will probably narrow the search a tad ;-)

Cheers TT

I let George do it. After all, he has to have something to do. :-)

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" wrote in message


Anybody who would use the phrase "you, your buddy the
Middiot" is not reading the posts or taking in what he
reads.

LOL!

Haven't you noticed that George and I agree on
nothing, except perhaps that you have a seige mentality?

Isn't that the point of your act?

There is no conspiracy here, Arnie.

Yeah, sure.

There never was.

Delusions of omnisicence noted.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Your siege mentality is showing again.

Arnii is nothing if not a dogged soldierborg. Here he is, at a young and
tender age, showing the world what he's made of.

http://shorterlink.com/?ZBZEJO

Where the hell do you find these links?

Did you like it? Arnii was never what you'd call a clothes horse. G




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Why not have a look at Google Images and try a search on
"Young Nazi" or "Nazi Uniform" and see what you get.
Obviously if you search on "Krueger digital perfect for
ever" you will probably narrow the search a tad ;-)

I let George do it. After all, he has to have something to do. :-)

You may inform Toothless Twit that the picture of Young Arnii has naught to
do with Nazis. I used a more inspired search phrase.



--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[George M. Middius]

Turdborg has a lump in his throat.

There is no conspiracy here, Arnie.

Yeah, sure.

Why so sad, Arnii? You said you "won" your long-raging battle against Jenn
the All-Powerful. That should give you a lift.

Aside to paul: Arnii is a major, major victim. Here's a drawing of him
posing after a stirring "debating trade" battle that he, of course, won.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/li...lery/84744.jpg




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[[email protected]]

A few days ago there was a actually a question about Julian Hirsch and
the 5%. Can I assume from the high volume of off-topic chatter and the
lack of substantive info that nobody can confirm what J.Hirsch
actually said aout digital sampling and the data requirements for
audibly transparent digital recordings ?

[MiNe 109]

In article . com,
" wrote:

A few days ago there was a actually a question about Julian Hirsch and
the 5%. Can I assume from the high volume of off-topic chatter and the
lack of substantive info that nobody can confirm what J.Hirsch
actually said aout digital sampling and the data requirements for
audibly transparent digital recordings ?

Not all of us have thirty-five year old back issues of Stereo Review.
Try a library.

Stephen

[[email protected]]

On Jan 30, 1:43 pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article . com,

" wrote:
A few days ago there was a actually a question aboutJulianHirschand
the 5%. Can I assume from the high volume of off-topic chatter and the
lack of substantive info that nobody can confirm what J.Hirsch
actually said aout digital sampling and the data requirements for
audibly transparent digital recordings ?

Not all of us have thirty-five year old back issues of Stereo Review.
Try a library.

Stephen

My Library has its journals online, sadly they dont have Stereo Review
before 1995. I might try the Free Library of Philadelphia though - I
will let you know if I can find it.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 30, 1:43 pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article . com,

" wrote:
A few days ago there was a actually a question aboutJulian Hirschand
the 5%. Can I assume from the high volume of off-topic chatter and the
lack of substantive info that nobody can confirm what J.Hirsch
actually said aout digital sampling and the data requirements for
audibly transparent digital recordings ?

Not all of us have thirty-five year old back issues of Stereo Review.
Try a library.

Stephen

Well, I went down to Penn's library and started skimming through
Stereo Review from Jan 1972 -. As at Jun 1981 J.Hirsch has made no
such statement nor has he even made many refs to any digital
technology at all. Reading these back issues is fascinating, for
instance a good turntable has rumble of -55db and 65db is considered
an exemplary DR for a LP, and those Kipper ties, Oh dear !.

[paul packer]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:56:37 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said:

Why not have a look at Google Images and try a search on
"Young Nazi" or "Nazi Uniform" and see what you get.
Obviously if you search on "Krueger digital perfect for
ever" you will probably narrow the search a tad ;-)

I let George do it. After all, he has to have something to do. :-)

You may inform Toothless Twit

I'll have you know you're speaking about one of my best Usenet
friends, George.

hat the picture of Young Arnii has naught to
do with Nazis. I used a more inspired search phrase.

Inspired, eh? Not a word I would normally associate with Google.

[paul packer]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:42:19 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message


Anybody who would use the phrase "you, your buddy the
Middiot" is not reading the posts or taking in what he
reads.

LOL!

Haven't you noticed that George and I agree on
nothing, except perhaps that you have a seige mentality?

Isn't that the point of your act?

Why, Arnold, this is amazing. You actually believe George and I
pretend to fight just to lull you into a false sense of security.

Here's narcissism on a truly grand scale. It implies that we have a
pre-occupation with you bigger than the Alps and the Andes rolled into
one. Amazing.

Please try to struggle back to reality, Arnold. Even if you have to
hitch a lift or catch a cab, please try. It'll be worth the effort and
expense in the end.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

You may inform Toothless Twit

I'll have you know you're speaking about one of my best Usenet
friends, George.

You can do better, paul.

that the picture of Young Arnii has naught to
do with Nazis. I used a more inspired search phrase.

Inspired, eh? Not a word I would normally associate with Google.

I used it in connection with my own choice of search text, not with Google.
You're doddering again -- second time in as many days.



--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 30, 6:20 pm, (paul packer) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:42:19 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message


Anybody who would use the phrase "you, your buddy the
Middiot" is not reading the posts or taking in what he
reads.

LOL!

Haven't you noticed that George and I agree on
nothing, except perhaps that you have a seige mentality?

Isn't that the point of your act?

Why, Arnold, this is amazing. You actually believe George and I
pretend to fight just to lull you into a false sense of security.

Here's narcissism on a truly grand scale. It implies that we have a
pre-occupation with you bigger than the Alps and the Andes rolled into
one. Amazing.

Please try to struggle back to reality, Arnold. Even if you have to
hitch a lift or catch a cab, please try. It'll be worth the effort and
expense in the end.

The drug cocktail recommended by his psychiatrist would be cheaper
still.

Too bad old Arns is too proud to take them. Something about not
wanting to appear 'weak,' I'm sure.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

The drug cocktail recommended by his psychiatrist would be cheaper
still.
Too bad old Arns is too proud to take them. Something about not
wanting to appear 'weak,' I'm sure.

Maybe somebody can dose him the way you dose a dog. If the pills were
buried in one of Arnii's favorite treats, he would ingest them without
realizing it.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[MiNe 109]

In article . com,
" wrote:

On Jan 30, 1:43 pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article . com,

" wrote:
A few days ago there was a actually a question aboutJulian Hirschand
the 5%. Can I assume from the high volume of off-topic chatter and the
lack of substantive info that nobody can confirm what J.Hirsch
actually said aout digital sampling and the data requirements for
audibly transparent digital recordings ?

Not all of us have thirty-five year old back issues of Stereo Review.
Try a library.

Well, I went down to Penn's library and started skimming through
Stereo Review from Jan 1972 -. As at Jun 1981 J.Hirsch has made no
such statement nor has he even made many refs to any digital
technology at all. Reading these back issues is fascinating, for
instance a good turntable has rumble of -55db and 65db is considered
an exemplary DR for a LP, and those Kipper ties, Oh dear !.

Probably just a memory slip associating the anecdote with Hirsch when
you read it somewhere else, Audio, maybe?

It might be easier to research the facts themselves. Look at the early
history of codecs and data compression. As for audibly transparent,
that's a moving target of sorts, like the joke about better mousetraps
and better mice.

Stephen

[TT]

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:56:37 -0500, George M. Middius
cmndr
: [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:

: You may inform Toothless Twit
:
: I'll have you know you're speaking about one of my best
Usenet
: friends, George.
:
Thanks Paul (blush).

As to the allegation of "toothless" my dentist told me
recently that I had the teeth of an 18 year old and *IF* I
had the body to match I would have to beat the girls off :-)

As to "Twit" Def. "noun informal - an insignificant or
bothersome person" well probably. I am not self obsessed
with my own importance, as are some here ;-) Actually IMHO
the group should really be called rec.biggest.ego.flame.wars



Cheers TT

[paul packer]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:37:31 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said:

You may inform Toothless Twit

I'll have you know you're speaking about one of my best Usenet
friends, George.

You can do better, paul.

Well, Terry has lots of money. I thought, if I continue to be nice to
him, you know..... :-)

that the picture of Young Arnii has naught to
do with Nazis. I used a more inspired search phrase.

Inspired, eh? Not a word I would normally associate with Google.

I used it in connection with my own choice of search text, not with Google.
You're doddering again -- second time in as many days.

No, George, I'm playing with words to amuse myself. I have little word
blocks here, and every so often I throw them in the air and post what
lands. I'm actually very young at heart. :-)

[paul packer]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:09:14 +0900, "TT"
wrote:


"paul packer" wrote in message
...
: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:56:37 -0500, George M. Middius
cmndr
: [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:

: You may inform Toothless Twit
:
: I'll have you know you're speaking about one of my best
Usenet
: friends, George.
:
Thanks Paul (blush).

As to the allegation of "toothless" my dentist told me
recently that I had the teeth of an 18 year old

....and the Police want to know where you got them. It's an old one,
Terry. :-)

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote in message

Turdborg has a lump in his throat.

There is no conspiracy here, Arnie.

Yeah, sure.

Why so sad, Arnii? You said you "won" your long-raging
battle against Jenn the All-Powerful. That should give
you a lift.

I did?

[paul packer]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:57:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote in message

Turdborg has a lump in his throat.

There is no conspiracy here, Arnie.

Yeah, sure.

Why so sad, Arnii? You said you "won" your long-raging
battle against Jenn the All-Powerful. That should give
you a lift.

I did?

Well, did you or didn't you? Win it, I mean.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Why so sad, Arnii? You said you "won" your long-raging
battle against Jenn the All-Powerful. That should give
you a lift.

I did?

Well, did you or didn't you? Win it, I mean.

You should know more about Mr. ****'s "debating trade" protocols by now.
There's no reality to confirm whether Krooger "won" anything. The only
salient point is that Krooger can say he "won". A klaim is as good as a
fact in the "debating trade".





--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[paul packer]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:00:36 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said:

Why so sad, Arnii? You said you "won" your long-raging
battle against Jenn the All-Powerful. That should give
you a lift.

I did?

Well, did you or didn't you? Win it, I mean.

You should know more about Mr. ****'s "debating trade" protocols by now.
There's no reality to confirm whether Krooger "won" anything. The only
salient point is that Krooger can say he "won". A klaim is as good as a
fact in the "debating trade".

Quiet, George--I'm pinning him down. It's that nailing jello to the
wall thing again.

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/li...lery/84744.jpg

Oh no, they got the flying spaghetti monster !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
http://flyingspaghettimonster.org/

Paranoa ?


Graham

[George M. Middius]

Poopie said:

Paranoa ?

Krooglish much?




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[[email protected]]

On Jan 30, 9:14 pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
Probably just a memory slip associating the anecdote with Hirsch when
you read it somewhere else, Audio, maybe?

It might be easier to research the facts themselves. Look at the early
history of codecs and data compression. As for audibly transparent,
that's a moving target of sorts, like the joke about better mousetraps
and better mice.

Stephen- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I begin to think flawed memory is at play, but it is not mine,
the anecdote came from a poster on Headfi.org, I have approached a
couple of industry experts, Barry Blesser and Kees Immink, one called
it "pure garbage" the other said that 44.1 was just what was available
in digital studios at the time. Neither has any recollection of early
listening experiments prior to the creation of the red book standard.

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" wrote in message


It might be easier to research the facts themselves.

Huh. Stephen, you've had the relevant facts presented to you how many
times, and you still love obfuscating them!

Look at the early history of codecs and data compression.

Gratuitous subtle change of topics noted.

As for audibly transparent, that's a moving target of sorts,

No its not. Human evolution is slow. The Fletcher Munson curves are still
relevant to what they measured.

The only thing that changed is the fact that the Fletcher Munson curves did
not tell the whole story - they ignored what has been determined since then
about masking.

like the joke about better mousetraps and better mice.

No, the mice were never actually as good as Fletcher and Munson's data
suggested to some, because they did not consider some relevant details the
real world situation, such as the fact that music is not a pure tone, and
perception is less sensitive for complex waves.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message


It might be easier to research the facts themselves.

Huh. Stephen, you've had the relevant facts presented to you how many
times, and you still love obfuscating them!

I don't remember commenting on Hirsch and data compression before, so I
don't know what you're talking about.

Look at the early history of codecs and data compression.

Gratuitous subtle change of topics noted.

No, it's a blatantly obvious change of topic, as I pointed out by
offering an alternative, ie, "It might be easier to research the facts
themselves."

As for audibly transparent, that's a moving target of sorts,

No its not. Human evolution is slow. The Fletcher Munson curves are still
relevant to what they measured.

The only thing that changed is the fact that the Fletcher Munson curves did
not tell the whole story - they ignored what has been determined since then
about masking.

No I was talking about compression distortions, which took time to enter
the collective consciousness.

like the joke about better mousetraps and better mice.

No, the mice were never actually as good as Fletcher and Munson's data
suggested to some, because they did not consider some relevant details the
real world situation, such as the fact that music is not a pure tone, and
perception is less sensitive for complex waves.

Now who's changed the subject? And how dusty was this topic before you
weighed in?

Stephen

[Harry Lavo]

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jan 30, 9:14 pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
Probably just a memory slip associating the anecdote with Hirsch when
you read it somewhere else, Audio, maybe?

It might be easier to research the facts themselves. Look at the early
history of codecs and data compression. As for audibly transparent,
that's a moving target of sorts, like the joke about better mousetraps
and better mice.

Stephen- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I begin to think flawed memory is at play, but it is not mine,
the anecdote came from a poster on Headfi.org, I have approached a
couple of industry experts, Barry Blesser and Kees Immink, one called
it "pure garbage" the other said that 44.1 was just what was available
in digital studios at the time. Neither has any recollection of early
listening experiments prior to the creation of the red book standard.

The DVD consortium in Japan did research in Japan in the mid-90's and
concluded that faithful reproduction of music required at least 66/20
sampling rate/resolution. CD Redbook just doesn't make it, no matter how
much Arny wants it to.