[Daniel Mandic]

wrote:

I do have a question though. What is the point of SECAM? All I know
about it is that the French use it (still?), that the picture is
stored in the same format as PAL but the colour in a different format.

Hi!


Hungary uses PAL Secam.

My Lessons in PAL and PAL-Secam are far away, being more than satisfied
yet, but Video Recorder do need a Secam capable Tuner, otherwise you
receipt B/W, AFAIK.

Beside that, any TV here is capable of NTSC (NTSC-Tuner maybe not, but
it can snychronise 60HZ, so long as I know TV-Sets), PAL, PAL+ (even
the B/W from the seventies can receipt PAL+ ;-), with bars, of course)
and
Secam PAL.



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

[Just Another]

In article lekom.at,
"Daniel Mandic" wrote:

wrote:

I do have a question though. What is the point of SECAM? All I know
about it is that the French use it (still?), that the picture is
stored in the same format as PAL but the colour in a different format.

I had missed the OP's original question, but IIRC SECAM exists for
political reasons. A wonderful little Canadian book "Weapons of Mass
Distraction" documents the history of the various television formats.


Hi!


Hungary uses PAL Secam.

My Lessons in PAL and PAL-Secam are far away, being more than satisfied
yet, but Video Recorder do need a Secam capable Tuner, otherwise you
receipt B/W, AFAIK.

Beside that, any TV here is capable of NTSC (NTSC-Tuner maybe not, but
it can snychronise 60HZ, so long as I know TV-Sets), PAL, PAL+ (even
the B/W from the seventies can receipt PAL+ ;-), with bars, of course)
and
Secam PAL.



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

[Daniel Mandic]

Just Another wrote:

I had missed the OP's original question, but IIRC SECAM exists for
political reasons. A wonderful little Canadian book "Weapons of Mass
Distraction" documents the history of the various television formats.


Sorry, wrong Group posted.


Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

[Daniel Mandic]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Daniel Mandic wrote:

Hungary uses PAL Secam.

What is PAL Secam? Is that like Coffee-tea? SECAM is very much not
PAL, although it's relatively easy to convert from one to the other.

SECAM= System Essentially Contrary to American Methods.
--scott

:-)

It's Malt-Coffee (replica) and Cider, more obviously.

Coffee Tea is better, but.



Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: Was it not the German Land, who presented PAL!? Philips?

[Don Pearce]

On 16 Jan 2007 23:34:21 GMT, "Daniel Mandic"
wrote:

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Daniel Mandic wrote:

Hungary uses PAL Secam.

What is PAL Secam? Is that like Coffee-tea? SECAM is very much not
PAL, although it's relatively easy to convert from one to the other.

SECAM= System Essentially Contrary to American Methods.
--scott

:-)

It's Malt-Coffee (replica) and Cider, more obviously.

Coffee Tea is better, but.



Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: Was it not the German Land, who presented PAL!? Philips?

But Germany had PAL B/G, which has poorer resolution than the PAL I
used in the UK.

Of course none of that matters any more because we have DTV which is
unbelievably poor. Lip sync within half a second is considered good.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Scott Dorsey]

Daniel Mandic wrote:

P.S.: Was it not the German Land, who presented PAL!? Philips?

Yes. PAL is a good design that corrects most of the more serious NTSC problems
with some ingenious phase-switching. It was in great part the result of German
engineering. SECAM... SECAM exists really only because the French want to be
different, and it's next to impossible to edit SECAM videotape so almost
everything gets edited in PAL and then translated to SECAM for broadcast.

But then, France kept broadcasting in that goofy 839 line B&W format well into
the eighties... and now high def is coming back!
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[John L Rice]

I used a ZX-81 when they first came out (still have it in a box somewhere).
Pretty cool for the time and the price!

John L Rice

[Don Pearce]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:20 -0800, "John L Rice"
wrote:

I used a ZX-81 when they first came out (still have it in a box somewhere).
Pretty cool for the time and the price!

John L Rice

Did you build the kit, or buy ready-made? I still have mine and also
another Z80 computer, the Video Genie System. A most amazing machine.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Daniel Mandic]

Don Pearce wrote:

Of course none of that matters any more because we have DTV which is
unbelievably poor. Lip sync within half a second is considered good.

d


My dear, what happened...


I don't know..., I watch here 'UK Eurosport' for example. Nice smooth
analog picture so far (cablestation-TV with big sat-dishes), except
some side-goes of Eurosport to other locations, where Digital Video is
installed there. Then Lags and ultra-sharp 2d pictures...





Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

[Rob Reedijk]

Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:20 -0800, "John L Rice"
wrote:

I used a ZX-81 when they first came out (still have it in a box somewhere).
Pretty cool for the time and the price!

John L Rice

Did you build the kit, or buy ready-made? I still have mine and also
another Z80 computer, the Video Genie System. A most amazing machine.

I bought the ready made ZX81 for $250 + $100 for the 16KB RAM module.
After I fried the ZX81 when trying to put a real keyboard onto it,
I bought a Timex Sinclair for $35 (it was a few years later).

Rob R.

[Don Pearce]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:30:56 +0000 (UTC), Rob Reedijk
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:20 -0800, "John L Rice"
wrote:

I used a ZX-81 when they first came out (still have it in a box somewhere).
Pretty cool for the time and the price!

John L Rice

Did you build the kit, or buy ready-made? I still have mine and also
another Z80 computer, the Video Genie System. A most amazing machine.

I bought the ready made ZX81 for $250 + $100 for the 16KB RAM module.
After I fried the ZX81 when trying to put a real keyboard onto it,
I bought a Timex Sinclair for $35 (it was a few years later).

Rob R.

Frightening prices now. But we were all pioneers back then.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Frank Vuotto]

I got mine for $100 at the local grocery store. By the time the C64
came along, it had a keyboard, and homemade modem, and a/d - d/a
converters, there were hundreds of wires soldered to that little
circuit board. I wrote my first drum machine program on it.

The best thing about the machine was all the diy hardware/software
magazines and books that were available for it and the Z80 (who can
forget the page after page of machine code).

Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/




On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:30:56 +0000 (UTC), Rob Reedijk
wrote:

I bought the ready made ZX81 for $250 + $100 for the 16KB RAM module.
After I fried the ZX81 when trying to put a real keyboard onto it,
I bought a Timex Sinclair for $35 (it was a few years later).

Rob R.