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John Atkinson wrote: "And in response to a question someone asked a week or so ago, no the RIAA does not track LP sales through Web retailers, only through brick'n'mortar stores, thus LP sales _are_ under-reported. http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/trends.asp The RIAA wrote: "The RIAA's yearend market numbers reflect the quantity of pre-recorded music - CDs, cassettes, vinyl, music video and DVD video product - that record manufacturers ship to retail and non-retail channels (i.e., mail order operations, record clubs and specialty outlets like Starbucks), minus returns for unsold product." Am I the only person who sees a tiny little discrepancy here? |
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Arny Krueger wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5f4a254c968365 John Atkinson wrote: "And in response to a question someone asked a week or so ago, no the RIAA does not track LP sales through Web retailers, only through brick'n'mortar stores, thus LP sales _are_ under-reported. http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/trends.asp The RIAA wrote: "The RIAA's yearend market numbers reflect the quantity of pre-recorded music - CDs, cassettes, vinyl, music video and DVD video product - that record manufacturers ship to retail and non-retail channels (i.e., mail order operations, record clubs and specialty outlets like Starbucks), minus returns for unsold product." Am I the only person who sees a tiny little discrepancy here? Since you "borrowed" this item off RAHE...the answer is no. This whole argument of % of RIAA sales is bogus to me anyway. I already know that my favs are shared by a fraction of the masses..probably even less than Ludovics and Pauls. Wait a sec...does that mean I can be even snobbier than they are? ScottW |
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ScottW wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5f4a254c968365 John Atkinson wrote: "And in response to a question someone asked a week or so ago, no the RIAA does not track LP sales through Web retailers, only through brick'n'mortar stores, thus LP sales _are_ under-reported. http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/trends.asp The RIAA wrote: "The RIAA's yearend market numbers reflect the quantity of pre-recorded music - CDs, cassettes, vinyl, music video and DVD video product - that record manufacturers ship to retail and non-retail channels (i.e., mail order operations, record clubs and specialty outlets like Starbucks), minus returns for unsold product." Am I the only person who sees a tiny little discrepancy here? Since you "borrowed" this item off RAHE...the answer is no. This whole argument of % of RIAA sales is bogus to me anyway. I already know that my favs are shared by a fraction of the masses..probably even less than Ludovics and Pauls. Wait a sec...does that mean I can be even snobbier than they are? ScottW ++++++++++++++++++++++ ScottW defines snobbery: " This whole argument of % of RIAA sales is bogus to me anyway. I already know that my favs are shared by a fraction of the masses..probably even less than Ludovics and Pauls. Wait a sec...does that mean I can be even snobbier than they are? Snobbery means liking things not favoured by "the masses". Like a foreign language or two, interest in astrophysics, other countries and travelling, history, Norton Simon Museum... continue ad lib. Ludovic Mirabel |
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"ScottW" wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5f4a254c968365 John Atkinson wrote: "And in response to a question someone asked a week or so ago, no the RIAA does not track LP sales through Web retailers, only through brick'n'mortar stores, thus LP sales _are_ under-reported. http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/trends.asp The RIAA wrote: "The RIAA's yearend market numbers reflect the quantity of pre-recorded music - CDs, cassettes, vinyl, music video and DVD video product - that record manufacturers ship to retail and non-retail channels (i.e., mail order operations, record clubs and specialty outlets like Starbucks), minus returns for unsold product." Am I the only person who sees a tiny little discrepancy here? Since you "borrowed" this item off RAHE...the answer is no. Since the same claim was posted here, don't you think we deserve an explanation from John? |
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How about this?
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "ScottW" wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5f4a254c968365 John Atkinson wrote: "And in response to a question someone asked a week or so ago, no the RIAA does not track LP sales through Web retailers, only through brick'n'mortar stores, thus LP sales _are_ under-reported. http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/trends.asp The RIAA wrote: "The RIAA's yearend market numbers reflect the quantity of pre-recorded music - CDs, cassettes, vinyl, music video and DVD video product - that record manufacturers ship to retail and non-retail channels (i.e., mail order operations, record clubs and specialty outlets like Starbucks), minus returns for unsold product." Am I the only person who sees a tiny little discrepancy here? Since you "borrowed" this item off RAHE...the answer is no. Since the same claim was posted here, don't you think we deserve an explanation from John? No...the guy on RAHE pretty well covered it. John's position is his own with no source while the counter claim is sourced from the RIAA. What is there left to be said? ScottW |
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"ScottW" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "ScottW" wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5f4a254c968365 John Atkinson wrote: "And in response to a question someone asked a week or so ago, no the RIAA does not track LP sales through Web retailers, only through brick'n'mortar stores, thus LP sales _are_ under-reported. http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/trends.asp The RIAA wrote: "The RIAA's yearend market numbers reflect the quantity of pre-recorded music - CDs, cassettes, vinyl, music video and DVD video product - that record manufacturers ship to retail and non-retail channels (i.e., mail order operations, record clubs and specialty outlets like Starbucks), minus returns for unsold product." Am I the only person who sees a tiny little discrepancy here? Since you "borrowed" this item off RAHE...the answer is no. Since the same claim was posted here, don't you think we deserve an explanation from John? No...the guy on RAHE pretty well covered it. So, you're saying that the guy on RAHE is John's spokesman???? John's position is his own with no source while the counter claim is sourced from the RIAA. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. What is there left to be said? Whatever John says to explain what he said. |
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It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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George M. Middius wrote: It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. Mystery solved. Boon |
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wrote in message ups.com... George M. Middius wrote: It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. Mystery solved. So, you're giving Atkinson a pass for posting out-of-date information? |
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How about this?
Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com... George M. Middius wrote: It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. Mystery solved. So, you're giving Atkinson a pass for posting out-of-date information? Not at all. But the RIAA statistics are notoriously slow in coming, so JA may be withholding the appropriate addendum until the facts are in. Boon |
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How about this?
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oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com... George M. Middius wrote: It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. Mystery solved. So, you're giving Atkinson a pass for posting out-of-date information? Not at all. But the RIAA statistics are notoriously slow in coming, Hmmm so JA may be withholding the appropriate addendum until the facts are in. So Marc, you're saying that is reasonble to to provide an addendum that is totally wrong and misleading for the currently posted statistics (2005), and is 100% speculative for the next set of statistics, which can't possibly come out for several months (2006)? |
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How about this?
"John Atkinson" wrote
in message ups.com wrote: George M. Middius wrote: It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. They still don't track sales through independent mail-order stores, like Acoustic Sounds, Music Direct, etc, I am told, which is why SACD and LP sales tend to be under-reported. Proof by hearsay! I love it. |
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How about this?
Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com wrote: Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. They still don't track sales through independent mail-order stores, like Acoustic Sounds, Music Direct, etc, I am told, which is why SACD and LP sales tend to be under-reported. Proof by hearsay! I love it. Good for you, Mr. Krueger. But it's hardly hearsay if I talk to the retailers. My point is that they sell a lot of vinyl and SACDs but do not believe those sales are included in the RIAA statistics. Which mail-order LP retailers have _you_ discussed the issue with? And I fail to understand why you are obsessing about this matter. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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How about this?
Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com... George M. Middius wrote: It's back to business as usual for Mr. Krooger. I'd like to know where John gets off saying that the RIAA stats are not what the RIAA clearly says they are. Snottiness noted. Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. Mystery solved. So, you're giving Atkinson a pass for posting out-of-date information? Not at all. But the RIAA statistics are notoriously slow in coming, Hmmm so JA may be withholding the appropriate addendum until the facts are in. So Marc, you're saying that is reasonble to to provide an addendum that is totally wrong and misleading for the currently posted statistics (2005), and is 100% speculative for the next set of statistics, which can't possibly come out for several months (2006)? I'm saying that despite the RIAA's claim that their statistics are more accurate than before, the jury is still out as to whether or not they're succeeding yet. Boon |
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How about this?
John Atkinson wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com wrote: Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. They still don't track sales through independent mail-order stores, like Acoustic Sounds, Music Direct, etc, I am told, which is why SACD and LP sales tend to be under-reported. Proof by hearsay! I love it. Good for you, Mr. Krueger. But it's hardly hearsay if I talk to the retailers. My point is that they sell a lot of vinyl and SACDs but do not believe those sales are included in the RIAA statistics. Which mail-order LP retailers have _you_ discussed the issue with? And I fail to understand why you are obsessing about this matter. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile Well, it's pretty obvious why he's obsessing about it...you said it. I've been pretty underwhelmed by the RIAA tracking for years. It doesn't account for specialized retailers, such as high-end stereo stores that sell vinyl on the side, or most mail-order retailers. It also doesn't account for all of the new vinyl sales on e-Bay, which for years has been a hotbed of LP activity. Boon |
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How about this?
"John Atkinson" wrote
in message oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com wrote: Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. They still don't track sales through independent mail-order stores, like Acoustic Sounds, Music Direct, etc, I am told, which is why SACD and LP sales tend to be under-reported. Proof by hearsay! I love it. Good for you, Mr. Krueger. But it's hardly hearsay if I talk to the retailers. Point of law: It's always hearsay when you tell us what someone else told you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay...ted_States_law My point is that they sell a lot of vinyl and SACDs but do not believe those sales are included in the RIAA statistics. This would be a very self-serving belief. It denies the idea that manufacturers know how of their product is sold. Which mail-order LP retailers have _you_ discussed the issue with? Why would I bother with a biased source that has incomplete information? And I fail to understand why you are obsessing about this matter. I'm not obsessing at all, John. I'm just enjoying the dynamics of the situation. |
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How about this?
Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com wrote: Well, I remember reading this in Stereophile...several years ago! From what I've heard, the RIAA has made a better effort in logging those other sales in the last couple of years. They still don't track sales through independent mail-order stores, like Acoustic Sounds, Music Direct, etc, I am told, which is why SACD and LP sales tend to be under-reported. Proof by hearsay! I love it. Good for you, Mr. Krueger. But it's hardly hearsay if I talk to the retailers. Point of law: It's always hearsay when you tell us what someone else told you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay...ted_States_law My point is that they sell a lot of vinyl and SACDs but do not believe those sales are included in the RIAA statistics. This would be a very self-serving belief. It denies the idea that manufacturers know how of their product is sold. Very few manufacturers know how their product is sold after it leaves the factory, unless it is on consignment. Which mail-order LP retailers have _you_ discussed the issue with? Why would I bother with a biased source that has incomplete information? The RIAA is famous for offering incomplete information. And I fail to understand why you are obsessing about this matter. I'm not obsessing at all, John. I'm just enjoying the dynamics of the situation. So am I. Boon |
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oups.com Mr. Atkinson, why does it seem to matter to you how much vinyl is being sold.? If a lot is sold does it mean that vinyl is the right thing to own and listen to? Good point - it appears that Atkinson has fallen into making the McDonald's argument at some level. However, the McDonald's argument is not perfectly wrong. There's a saying that has some merit and seems relevant in a discussion of choices: "Healthy things grow". |
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"John Atkinson" wrote
in message oups.com It does matter to Arny Krueger, because he takes it as a personal affront when someone expresses a preference for the sound of LPs, as witnessed by his constant references to "vinyl bigots" on r.a.o. and his continuing attacks on people like Jenn who dare give voice to that preference. The only place I apply the label "Vinyl Bigot" is those situations where it appears to fit. Trouble is, a place like RAO seems to attract a goodly and highly vocal segment of that tiny minority of music lovers whose preferences appear to be overcome by emotions other than a desire for the most sonically faithful and literal reproduction of musical recordings. So, I end up using it a lot on RAO. Jenn is an interesting case because she is probably the most extreme case of emotional dependence on the audible effects of the noise and distortion inherent in vinyl that I've ever encountered. Presumably she hears lots of live music, but somehow she misses or even prefers many audible cues that most people hear but dislike pretty intensely. She's very adamant about her belief that a form of digital recording that is well-known to be highly faithful to the source, is not so faithful. Basically, Jenn is a person who believes something like water naturally flows up hill. This belief is common to that miniscule percentage of music lovers who will apparently prefer vinyl to the bitter end. If they weren't such vigorous proselytizers, there would be nothing to it. She's like a person who drinks polluted sea water and brags about how natural and pure it tastes. |
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Arnii the Kroo**** invites us into his weird world
Arnii "I Don't Hate Anyone I Don't Hate" Krooger tries to explain a bit of Kroologic. The only place I apply the label "Vinyl Bigot" is those situations where it appears to fit. Trouble is, a place like RAO seems to attract a goodly and highly vocal segment of that tiny minority of music lovers whose preferences appear to be overcome by emotions other than a desire for the most sonically faithful and literal reproduction of musical recordings. So, I end up using it a lot on RAO. The only person most of us refer to as a piece of **** is the one who is compelled to create moronic labels like "vinyl bigot". Why does this piece-of-**** person have this compulsion? Most of us see it as part of his overall mental illness, and don't try to explain it on its own. Others try to rationalize it as resulting from a demented fixation on meaningless abstractions like "accuracy" and "cleanliness". That's why this individual gets called a piece of **** so often on RAO. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com It does matter to Arny Krueger, because he takes it as a personal affront when someone expresses a preference for the sound of LPs, as witnessed by his constant references to "vinyl bigots" on r.a.o. and his continuing attacks on people like Jenn who dare give voice to that preference. The only place I apply the label "Vinyl Bigot" is those situations where it appears to fit. Trouble is, a place like RAO seems to attract a goodly and highly vocal segment of that tiny minority of music lovers whose preferences appear to be overcome by emotions other than a desire for the most sonically faithful and literal reproduction of musical recordings. So, I end up using it a lot on RAO. Gosh. Something sounds good to someone. You are an idiot. Jenn is an interesting case because she is probably the most extreme case of emotional dependence on the audible effects of the noise and distortion inherent in vinyl that I've ever encountered. Presumably she hears lots of live music, but somehow she misses or even prefers many audible cues that most people hear but dislike pretty intensely. She's very adamant about her belief that a form of digital recording that is well-known to be highly faithful to the source, is not so faithful. I think the words I've heard her use are, "The best LPs sound better to me." You can't handle that, can you? Basically, Jenn is a person who believes something like water naturally flows up hill. This belief is common to that miniscule percentage of music lovers who will apparently prefer vinyl to the bitter end. If they weren't such vigorous proselytizers, there would be nothing to it. She's like a person who drinks polluted sea water and brags about how natural and pure it tastes. I'll take this to mean that you don't want to play nice any more, since you've insulted her several times in this post. Ironic, isn't it? She's the one who was trying to bring up the level of discourse here. You just *had* to be ****ty, didn't you? You can't help it. It's who you a an anti-social, self-righteous asshole. Here we have incontrovertible proof of Arny's basic dismissal of any preference that does not meet his own. Here we have the proof that it is indeed Arny who starts this crap. Someone posted here recently to look up 'extra crispy.' I did so. From what I saw, it is Arny who has chased a large amount of poeple from this forum. Who can blame them for leaving? When you have a retarded, anti-social piece of **** like Arny insulting every preference, it takes the fun out of what could be an enjoyable forum. The fact that old Arns has been booted from several audio forums and hooted down on the rest, some of which include many professionals, is lost on him. It is *our* fault because we don't recognize his 'genius.';-) Hey, Arns, here's a suggestion. If you want to see who causes the most acrimony around here, why don't you leave for, say a year or ten? Yes, you'll no doubt still get mentioned. You, after all, are still bringing up this Derida fellow, and a host of others that do not appear to be here any more. A person who is as ****ty to others as you've proven to be will always get references (Remember old Arns? Remember how he was always so nasty to people that didn't agree with him? What a loser!). That can't be helped. You've made it that way yourself with your disruptive and disgusting behavior. Go away. |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com It does matter to Arny Krueger, because he takes it as a personal affront when someone expresses a preference for the sound of LPs, as witnessed by his constant references to "vinyl bigots" on r.a.o. and his continuing attacks on people like Jenn who dare give voice to that preference. The only place I apply the label "Vinyl Bigot" is those situations where it appears to fit. Trouble is, a place like RAO seems to attract a goodly and highly vocal segment of that tiny minority of music lovers whose preferences appear to be overcome by emotions other than a desire for the most sonically faithful and literal reproduction of musical recordings. So, I end up using it a lot on RAO. Gosh. Something sounds good to someone. You are an idiot. Jenn is an interesting case because she is probably the most extreme case of emotional dependence on the audible effects of the noise and distortion inherent in vinyl that I've ever encountered. Presumably she hears lots of live music, but somehow she misses or even prefers many audible cues that most people hear but dislike pretty intensely. She's very adamant about her belief that a form of digital recording that is well-known to be highly faithful to the source, is not so faithful. I think the words I've heard her use are, "The best LPs sound better to me." She's said a lot more than that. You can't handle that, can you? Attempt to inflame, noted. Basically, Jenn is a person who believes something like water naturally flows up hill. This belief is common to that miniscule percentage of music lovers who will apparently prefer vinyl to the bitter end. If they weren't such vigorous proselytizers, there would be nothing to it. She's like a person who drinks polluted sea water and brags about how natural and pure it tastes. I'll take this to mean that you don't want to play nice any more, since you've insulted her several times in this post. It appears that insults don't bother you ****R, since you've already unloaded a goodly number and we're just getting into your post. Ironic, isn't it? Yes, someone who complains bitterly about insults while delivering a fusillade of insults is pretty ironic. She's the one who was trying to bring up the level of discourse here. Wrong. All Jenn is doing is targeting me repeatedly and letting everybody else take as many shots as they can without signfifcant interferenace from here. That makes her a Middius clone, differing only slightly in tone. You just *had* to be ****ty, didn't you? What does this outburst say about you? You can't help it. It's who you a an anti-social, self-righteous asshole. Again, what does this outburst say about you. What about the fact that you've delivered any number of similar outbursts just lately with minimal coment from Jenn say about her purported campaign and her? Here we have incontrovertible proof of Arny's basic dismissal of any preference that does not meet his own. Yawn. Here we have the proof that it is indeed Arny who starts this crap. ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Someone posted here recently to look up 'extra crispy.' I did so. From what I saw, it is Arny who has chased a large amount of poeple from this forum. Absence of self-awareness noted. Who can blame them for leaving? When you have a retarded, anti-social piece of **** like Arny insulting every preference, it takes the fun out of what could be an enjoyable forum. Jenn is no doubt ROTFLHAO at this point. Middius is cheering. Everybody is haveing a good time including me, because I can see the ironic humor of it all. Welcome to RAO. remainder of bile snipped to save bandwidth. Bandwidth is now terribly cheap, but the snipped prose is even cheaper |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
Arny Krueger wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" I'll take this to mean that you don't want to play nice any more, since you've insulted her several times in this post. It appears that insults don't bother you ****R, since you've already unloaded a goodly number and we're just getting into your post. You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. I did ask for your definition of insult, twice, which you were unwilling or incapable of providing. But (surprise) there's no need for that any more, as you couldn't make it. You eventually went back to your 'normal' ;-) state as everyone knew you would. Ironic, isn't it? Yes, someone who complains bitterly about insults while delivering a fusillade of insults is pretty ironic. Wasn't it you that said you wouldn't insult unless insulted? Please point out where Jenn has insulted you. No, you are a lying, insane asshole. She's the one who was trying to bring up the level of discourse here. Wrong. All Jenn is doing is targeting me repeatedly and letting everybody else take as many shots as they can without signfifcant interferenace from here. That makes her a Middius clone, differing only slightly in tone. Poor Arns! LOL! You just *had* to be ****ty, didn't you? What does this outburst say about you? That you make me do it, Arns.;-) You can't help it. It's who you a an anti-social, self-righteous asshole. Again, what does this outburst say about you. What about the fact that you've delivered any number of similar outbursts just lately with minimal coment from Jenn say about her purported campaign and her? Show me where, Arns, I've 'just lately' given you any negative attention whatsoever since Jenn asked people to lay off. As I said, I asked you, twice, for your definition of insult. I asked, just once I think, for you to point out where an insult was spotted by you. This was done very politely IMO. If not, provide proof. If you cannot, then quit lying. The reason I did that I had to ask was because you noted insults where no sane person could see one. Someone posted here recently to look up 'extra crispy.' I did so. From what I saw, it is Arny who has chased a large amount of poeple from this forum. Absence of self-awareness noted. LMAO! You're really very funny sometimes. Whether you mean to be or not.;-) |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" I'll take this to mean that you don't want to play nice any more, since you've insulted her several times in this post. It appears that insults don't bother you ****R, since you've already unloaded a goodly number and we're just getting into your post. You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. I don't notice imaginary non-events very well. You could have expressed yourself without all the profane fire and smoke, or maybe not. Personally, I think you are pretty out-of-control, just about all the time. I notice you hide behind an alias. I don't blame you for that! |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: Wrong. All Jenn is doing is targeting me repeatedly and letting everybody else take as many shots as they can without signfifcant interferenace from here. That makes her a Middius clone, differing only slightly in tone. Incorrect. I was giving you an opportunity to be the agent of change; to be the person with class. That you failed to take me up on that opportunity speaks only to your obvious need to be something else. |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
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"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" I'll take this to mean that you don't want to play nice any more, since you've insulted her several times in this post. It appears that insults don't bother you ****R, since you've already unloaded a goodly number and we're just getting into your post. You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. Thanks for trying. |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
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message In article . com, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" I'll take this to mean that you don't want to play nice any more, since you've insulted her several times in this post. It appears that insults don't bother you ****R, since you've already unloaded a goodly number and we're just getting into your post. You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. Thanks for trying. The coach encourages her team. It's an old strategy, folks. The coach doesn't get her hands dirty, but leaves the dirty work up to others. |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Wrong. All Jenn is doing is targeting me repeatedly and letting everybody else take as many shots as they can without signfifcant interferenace from here. That makes her a Middius clone, differing only slightly in tone. Incorrect. I was giving you an opportunity to be the agent of change; to be the person with class. Jenn, you seem to be agressively hard to educate. I'm not the only or even the major problem around here. Until you target the major problems, everything else is futile. That you failed to take me up on that opportunity speaks only to your obvious need to be something else. Jenn its easy to be a do-gooder when you let other people do your dirty work. The only reason why you're so worried about me is how effective I am at making your position so clear. You want me to do something you could never do, and insult me when I'm not 100 times better than you. |
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To Dream the Impossible Dream
Jenn said: You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. Thanks for trying. I tried too. (A little.) -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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Another konspiracy diskovered by the Krooborg!
Paranoa™Borg has uncovered another malevolent plot to humiliate him. You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. Thanks for trying. The coach encourages her team. Arnii, out of curiosity, does your raging paranoia also lead you to believe that gravity has been reversed? You seem to have everything backwards today, including your demand that Jenn "prove" water doesn't run uphill. It's an old strategy, folks. The coach doesn't get her hands dirty, but leaves the dirty work up to others. When did you "discover" that Jenn was the mastermind behind all the conspiracies to destroy you, Arnii? In the past, you've attributed the leadership role mostly to Lord Atkinson, and occasionally to me. Now, after all these years, you seem to have "realized" that all along, it was Jenn. I'm not disparaging your fabled powers of deduction -- I'd just like to know what gave her away. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
Arny Krueger wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. I don't notice imaginary non-events very well. Please provide any post, other than those that I described, directed at you during time since Jenn asked for a truce. You could have expressed yourself without all the profane fire and smoke, or maybe not. Personally, I think you are pretty out-of-control, just about all the time. I notice you hide behind an alias. I don't blame you for that! Isn't it a good thing that I don't care what you think, any more than you care what others think? |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
Arny Krueger wrote: It's an old strategy, folks. I pretend not to be insane. It goes as it comes, like the ebb-and-flow of a severed artery like my own. Not! My medication is wearing off. I must masturbate some more. Lot';S! It will all be OK, Arns. Just relax. |
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Another konspiracy diskovered by the Krooborg!
George M. Middius wrote: Paranoa„˘Borg has uncovered another malevolent plot to humiliate him. It's an old strategy, folks. The coach doesn't get her hands dirty, but leaves the dirty work up to others. When did you "discover" that Jenn was the mastermind behind all the conspiracies to destroy you, Arnii? In the past, you've attributed the leadership role mostly to Lord Atkinson, and occasionally to me. Now, after all these years, you seem to have "realized" that all along, it was Jenn. I'm not disparaging your fabled powers of deduction -- I'd just like to know what gave her away. I think your question will be found baffling, George. In the past, Arny Krueger has suggested that you are really me (or was it I am really you?). I imagine that he is beginning to suspect that Jenn is really you (or me). :-) John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Wrong. All Jenn is doing is targeting me repeatedly and letting everybody else take as many shots as they can without signfifcant interferenace from here. That makes her a Middius clone, differing only slightly in tone. Incorrect. I was giving you an opportunity to be the agent of change; to be the person with class. Jenn, you seem to be agressively hard to educate. I'm not the only or even the major problem around here. Until you target the major problems, everything else is futile. That you failed to take me up on that opportunity speaks only to your obvious need to be something else. Jenn its easy to be a do-gooder when you let other people do your dirty work. The only reason why you're so worried about me is how effective I am at making your position so clear. You want me to do something you could never do, and insult me when I'm not 100 times better than you. I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or scream. This is so blatently and patently rediculous after the two day hiatus we went through including the early stages of your increasing attempts to insult Jenn, that I can only conclude you are either very messed up mentally, or you simply are playing games and are content to look that way. No other explanation makes much sense. |
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Jenn's One-Sided Agenda Demonstrated By Her Track Record Of Not Confronting Posts Like This One.
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" You perhaps didn't notice that I'd pretty well left you alone since Jenn had asked us to. I don't notice imaginary non-events very well. Please provide any post, other than those that I described, directed at you during time since Jenn asked for a truce. Since you don't care what I post, there is no logical reason for me to go to this trouble. You could have expressed yourself without all the profane fire and smoke, or maybe not. Personally, I think you are pretty out-of-control, just about all the time. I notice you hide behind an alias. I don't blame you for that! Isn't it a good thing that I don't care what you think, any more than you care what others think? Since you don't care what I think, there is no reason for you to ever again comment on any of my posts. Being a fine reasonable person, you will never again comment on any of my posts, right? |
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Another konspiracy diskovered by the Krooborg!
John Atkinson said: Paranoa™Borg has uncovered another malevolent plot to humiliate him. It's an old strategy, folks. The coach doesn't get her hands dirty, but leaves the dirty work up to others. When did you "discover" that Jenn was the mastermind behind all the conspiracies to destroy you, Arnii? In the past, you've attributed the leadership role mostly to Lord Atkinson, and occasionally to me. Now, after all these years, you seem to have "realized" that all along, it was Jenn. I'm not disparaging your fabled powers of deduction -- I'd just like to know what gave her away. I think your question will be found baffling, George. In the past, Arny Krueger has suggested that you are really me (or was it I am really you?). I imagine that he is beginning to suspect that Jenn is really you (or me). :-) You never can tell what Arnii suspects. ;-) Go figure.™ Aside from the "fact" that we're all indistinguishable, nobody has yet proven to Mr. Krooger's satisfaction that Marc and Scott Wheeler and Sander aren't the real puppetmasters. Even that intellectual juggernaut from Florida has opined that all of us amount only to two or three individuals. N.B.: I am not you, and neither is dave. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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