"Arny Krueger" wrote

Let's compare microphone closets and mic preamp
collections...

I've done a couple of modifications to my ART Pro MPA
and like the results. Looking forward to doing some
direct comparisons with a George Massenburg 8302,
Millennia HV-3, Great River MP-2 and Universal Audio
2108. Maybe I even try a class A tube design or two.

Didn't know you owned any high end microphones.
What makes and models are they?

"Powell" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Let's compare microphone closets and mic preamp
collections...

I've done a couple of modifications to my ART Pro MPA
and like the results.

What were they?

Not answered - question about Powell's microphone collection

Looking forward to doing some
direct comparisons with a George Massenburg 8302,
Millennia HV-3, Great River MP-2 and Universal Audio 2108.

I'm looking forward to winning the Michigan Lottery, but since I make a
habit of not buying tickets...

Maybe I even try a class A tube design or two.

You don't think you already own one?

Didn't know you owned any high end microphones.

What makes and models are they?

It's a matter of public record, and referenced on RAO a number of times:

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm

I've compared those to Behringer ECM 8000s, which has contributed to my
opinions about higher end microphones. That, and comparitions between MXL
603 and some AKG C414 BXL in cardioid mode.

"Powell" said:

Maybe I even try a class A tube design or two.

Any tube mic preamp is class A by design.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Let's compare microphone closets and mic preamp
collections...

I've done a couple of modifications to my ART Pro MPA
and like the results.

What were they?

Purchased highly sorted RAMs, Sovtek 12AX7 from:
http://www.tubeaudiostore.com to replace stock Penta-
China tubes. Installed a calibrated dial indicators. This
is nice because I can log different settings for gain and
output depending on the application and preference. Also
replaced the unshielded power cord.


Not answered - question about Powell's microphone
collection

I’m relatively new to digital recording so I don’t have the need
for an inventory of microphones. Currently using AKG C 420
for Dictation Dragon and two Shure KSM 27s for project
narration/voice over.
http://www.akg.com/products/powersla...uage,E N.html
http://www.shure.com/otws/gear/ksm27.asp


Looking forward to doing some
direct comparisons with a George Massenburg 8302,
Millennia HV-3, Great River MP-2 and Universal Audio 2108.

I'm looking forward to winning the Michigan Lottery, but since
I make a habit of not buying tickets...

Business expense.


Didn't know you owned any high end microphones.

What makes and models are they?

It's a matter of public record, and referenced on RAO a
number of times:

Quack, quack, quack... can't get off your penguin butt?


http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm

From site: "2 B&K 4007 1/2" condenser microphones powered
by an Audio Technica phantom power unit, preamplified using
a Benchmark Media mic preamp..."

Is this the model by DPA 4007 ($1,700)... omnidirectional?
http://www.sonicsense.com/dpa4007.htm Site indicates
best use for "drums, percussion and bass instruments"
Appears to have a limited use.

So much for your "microphone closet."


I've compared those to Behringer ECM 8000s, which has
contributed to my opinions about higher end microphones.

Behringer ECM-8000 measurement microphone, $43.00
http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Truely, high end ;-).


That, and comparitions between MXL
603 and some AKG C414 BXL in cardioid mode.

MXL 603, condenser instrument microphone, $99.00
AKG - C 414 B-XL II, 1-inch large-diaphragm, multi-pattern
http://www.akg.com/products//powersl...uage,E N.html

I've considered adding an Eletro-voice RE20 (dynamic
type)... but hesitant about mixing it with Shure KSM 27s
sound field for voice over.

"Powell" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Let's compare microphone closets and mic preamp
collections...

I've done a couple of modifications to my ART Pro MPA
and like the results.

What were they?

Purchased highly sorted RAMs, Sovtek 12AX7 from:
http://www.tubeaudiostore.com to replace stock Penta-
China tubes. Installed a calibrated dial indicators. This
is nice because I can log different settings for gain and
output depending on the application and preference. Also
replaced the unshielded power cord.

Powell, you've got spinning your wheels down pat, don't you?

The audio signifcance of RAM chips is one of those things that most pros
joke about. Toobs are for boobs. Your mic preamps have only three kinds of
dials that could reasonably be calibrated, four are gain controls and two
are high pass filter controls. In typical use these are all adjusted by ear.
Calibrating them precisely is generally an exercise in futility.

The presence of two cascaded gain controls on your mic preamp would be
totally gratuitious except for the fact that there's a thermionic audible
distortion producer inside. I find it ironic that you brag about
"microdynamics" and then brag about adding audible amounts of nonlinear
distortion.

Adding nonlinear distortion is in fact a well-known way to reduce and
totally trash micro-dynamics. Why you would rant and rave about maximizing
them and then brag about owning equipment to destroy them would tax my
imagination except for my years of experience with you, Powell.

Not answered - question about Powell's microphone
collection

I'm relatively new to digital recording so I don't have the need
for an inventory of microphones. Currently using AKG C 420
for Dictation Dragon and two Shure KSM 27s for project
narration/voice over.


http://www.akg.com/products/powersla...uage,E N.html


http://www.shure.com/otws/gear/ksm27.asp

IOW Powell, you've managed to blow close to a $grand on mics and still
haven't recorded anything but voice. Apparently, you're not recording any
music yet.

Looking forward to doing some
direct comparisons with a George Massenburg 8302,
Millennia HV-3, Great River MP-2 and Universal Audio 2108.

I'm looking forward to winning the Michigan Lottery, but since
I make a habit of not buying tickets...

Business expense.

Consistent with your tendency towards wheel-spinning, Powell. Lotteries are
for people who lack proper practical education in probability and
statistics.

Didn't know you owned any high end microphones.

What makes and models are they?

It's a matter of public record, and referenced on RAO a
number of times:

Quack, quack, quack... can't get off your penguin butt?

I provided a proper reference with the detailed information. This gratuitous
insult shows your true character, Powell.

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm

From site: "2 B&K 4007 1/2" condenser microphones powered
by an Audio Technica phantom power unit, preamplified using
a Benchmark Media mic preamp..."

Is this the model by DPA 4007 ($1,700)... omnidirectional?

Bingo.

http://www.sonicsense.com/dpa4007.htm Site indicates
best use for "drums, percussion and bass instruments"

Appears to have a limited use.

Yes, and this one web site is the absolute world's authority on this mic.
Nobody in the universe can hold a candle to them.

Therefore, we can forget what Full Compass says about them:

"The Type 4007 has through its total acoustical transparency and ultra-high
SPL handling capability gained a reputation as being the first choice for
picking up drums, percussion and brass instruments, whenever the natural and
non-distorted result is paramount. Type 4007 is, due to its linear
qualities, also used as reference microphone in both microphone comparisons
and acoustic test equipment."

This article says that the 4007 is the first choice for these applications,
which of course does not mean that they aren't appropriate for other
applications. It also says that it has "...total acoustical
transparency...". Most people would consider that to high praise and
something that would qualify it for general-purpose use.

Powell, you just claimed that your entire microphone collection is only
suitable for voice. Where do you get off criticizing me for using mics that
have "total transparency"?

So much for your "microphone closet."

I have a number of other microphones. This gratuitous insult shows your true
character, Powell.

I've compared those to Behringer ECM 8000s, which has
contributed to my opinions about higher end microphones.

Behringer ECM-8000 measurement microphone, $43.00
http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Truely, high end ;-).

Sue me for relying on value shopping as opposed to lottery tickets.

That, and comparitions between MXL
603 and some AKG C414 BXL in cardioid mode.

MXL 603, condenser instrument microphone, $99.00
AKG - C 414 B-XL II, 1-inch large-diaphragm, multi-pattern

http://www.akg.com/products//powersl...uage,E N.html

I've considered adding an Eletro-voice RE20 (dynamic
type)... but hesitant about mixing it with Shure KSM 27s
sound field for voice over.

Since you're so much smarter and better experience than I am Powell, I won't
comment.

I have used a pair of RE20s that I borrowed from a friend, but I moved on.

My mic selection currently includes something like 7 ECM 8000, 7 CAD 95, 7
Shure SM57, a Shure SM93, a Crown CM-300, and 5 MXL 603, not to mention
numerous other mics I don't think about too much, both wireless and wired. I
have about 40 channels of pro-grade mic preamps of various kinds, and about
40 channels of pro-grade digital audio interfaces.

Oh, I also record both music and voice.

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:29:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Oh, I also record both music and voice.

Except that the music that you record is pretty laughable.

"Arny Krueger" wrote

I've done a couple of modifications to my ART Pro MPA
and like the results.

What were they?

Purchased highly sorted RAMs, Sovtek 12AX7 from:
http://www.tubeaudiostore.com to replace stock Penta-
China tubes. Installed a calibrated dial indicators. This
is nice because I can log different settings for gain and
output depending on the application and preference. Also
replaced the unshielded power cord.

The audio signifcance of RAM chips is one of those things
that most pros joke about.

"RAM chips"... RAM Labs is the name of Roger A.
Modjeski company. They use a proprietary system
for sorting tubes.

snip quacking


Not answered - question about Powell's microphone
collection

I'm relatively new to digital recording so I don't have the
need for an inventory of microphones. Currently using
AKG C 420 for Dictation Dragon and two Shure KSM 27s
for project narration/voice over.

IOW Powell, you've managed to blow close to a $grand on
mics and still haven't recorded anything but voice.
Apparently, you're not recording any music yet.

I have no business or personal desire to record music.
Why Is that a problem for you, Arny?


Looking forward to doing some
direct comparisons with a George Massenburg 8302,
Millennia HV-3, Great River MP-2 and Universal
Audio 2108.

I'm looking forward to winning the Michigan Lottery,
but since I make a habit of not buying tickets...

Business expense.

Consistent with your tendency towards wheel-spinning,
Powell. Lotteries are for people who lack proper practical
education in probability and statistics.

Apparently your hobby horse has never had any
practical business application. All the microphone
preamp manufactures sited produce reasonably
priced professional products. From my reading
they are commonly used by professional recording
studios around the world and by serious hobbyist.
Your financial limitations are not my problem.


Didn't know you owned any high end microphones.

What makes and models are they?

From site: "2 B&K 4007 1/2" condenser microphones powered
by an Audio Technica phantom power unit, preamplified using
a Benchmark Media mic preamp..."

Is this the model by DPA 4007 ($1,700)... omnidirectional?

Bingo.

According to Paul’s post you don’t have possession
and have never_owned_this microphone. Just more
misrepresentation and puffing on your part, Arny.


So much for your "microphone closet."

I have a number of other microphones.

Hehehe... yea, sure you do!


Behringer ECM-8000 measurement microphone, $43.00
http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Truely, high end ;-).

Sue me for relying on value shopping as opposed to lottery
tickets.

Your financial limitations are not my problem,
mr. Broke-a$$®.


I've considered adding an Eletro-voice RE20 (dynamic
type)... but hesitant about mixing it with Shure KSM 27s
sound field for voice over.

Since you're so much smarter and better experience
than I am Powell, I won't comment.

Thank you. Wise choice on your part, no doubt .


My mic selection currently includes something like...

Prove it.


Oh, I also record both music and voice.

Yea, that's nice... Zzzzz.

"Paul Dormer" wrote

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm

From site: "2 B&K 4007 1/2" condenser microphones powered
by an Audio Technica phantom power unit, preamplified using
a Benchmark Media mic preamp..."

Is this the model by DPA 4007 ($1,700)... omnidirectional?
http://www.sonicsense.com/dpa4007.htm Site indicates
best use for "drums, percussion and bass instruments"
Appears to have a limited use.

So much for your "microphone closet."

"I don't have the 4007 anymore - the (corporate) owner wanted it
back."

Message-ID:

Thank you. Your timing was perfect, Paul .

"dave weil" wrote

Oh, I also record both music and voice.

Except that the music that you record is pretty
laughable.

Perhaps Arny should try his hand at recording
comedy then .

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message

"Powell" said:

Maybe I even try a class A tube design or two.

Any tube mic preamp is class A by design.

That was my point - Powell doesn't seem to know basic stuff like this. His
*solution* to his ignorance is to insult people who try to straighten him
out, and waste money on problems that are already solved.

"Arny Krueger" wrote

That was my point - Powell doesn't seem to
know basic stuff like this. His *solution* to his
ignorance...

Oh brother.


is to insult people who try to straighten him out,

Hypocrite, remove the timber from your own eye first.


and waste money...

Your financial limitations are not my problem. And, as
my old grandad used to say, “some of the best
experiences in life come from what you pay for out of
your back pocket.” Wasteful expenditures are those you
don’t_learn_ from. By this measure you are short on
both (money/experience), Arny.


on problems that are already solved.

I think Robert said it best when he characterized you
as a “pompous fake.” If you need your ego nurtured
RAO isn’t the place.

Next !

"Powell" wrote in message


"Arny Krueger" wrote

That was my point - Powell doesn't seem to
know basic stuff like this. His *solution* to his
ignorance...

Oh brother.

Just the facts Powell. You told us you dreamed of some day having a mic
preamp with a class A tube stage. You had previously told us that you
already had one when you provided a make and model. But, you didn't seem to
know it at the time. Even Sander had to chime in, and that had to really
stick in his craw.

is to insult people who try to straighten him out,

Hypocrite, remove the timber from your own eye first.

A good plan for you to start following, Powell.

and waste money...

Your financial limitations are not my problem.

Straw man.

And, as my old grandad used to say, "some of the best
experiences in life come from what you pay for out of
your back pocket."

That's fine and good.

Wasteful expenditures are those you don't_learn_ from.

You seem to have a lot of them, Powell.

By this measure you are short on both (money/experience), Arny.

Powell's delusions of omniscience noted.

on problems that are already solved.

I think Robert said it best when he characterized you
as a "pompous fake."

Letsee, this is Robert who tried to sue Drexel University in the Supreme
Court of the US so they'd give him a PhD?

By Morien's standards, Scott (I'll sue your pants off, Arny) Wheeler is an
immense piker. I'm sure Morien spent $10,000 of his father's money for every
$100 that Wheeler spent.

If you need your ego nurtured RAO isn't the place.

You need to learn that, Powell.

Next !

Oh, you are planning to embarrass yourself further, Powell? Be my guest, as
you're already doing such a great job!

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 8:10 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


By Morien's standards, Scott (I'll sue your pants off, Arny) Wheeler is an
immense piker. I'm sure Morien spent $10,000 of his father's money for every
$100 that Wheeler spent.

False claim. I can't sue the pants off a man who doesn't wear them.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 8:10 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

By Morien's standards, Scott (I'll sue your pants off, Arny)
Wheeler is an immense piker. I'm sure Morien spent $10,000 of his
father's money for every $100 that Wheeler spent.

False claim. I can't sue the pants off a man who doesn't wear them.

Why are you having fantasies about me not wearing pants, Scott?

I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 8:10 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

By Morien's standards, Scott (I'll sue your pants off, Arny)
Wheeler is an immense piker. I'm sure Morien spent $10,000 of his
father's money for every $100 that Wheeler spent.

False claim. I can't sue the pants off a man who doesn't wear them.

Why are you having fantasies about me not wearing pants, Scott?

More like waking nightmares.



I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.


That's not the word on the streets. I'm told it's the Mrs. who wears the pants
while you stay at home in the nicotine stained underwear. A scary image to say
the least but not one I invented. It's just what people say.

S888Wheel a écrit :

That's not the word on the streets. I'm told it's the Mrs. who wears the pants
while you stay at home in the nicotine stained underwear. A scary image to say
the least but not one I invented. It's just what people say.

I heard on the street that S888Wheel (AKA Scott Wheeler) is a pedophile.
Is it true ?

From: Lionel ahc
Date: 7/19/2004 10:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

S888Wheel a écrit :

That's not the word on the streets. I'm told it's the Mrs. who wears the
pants
while you stay at home in the nicotine stained underwear. A scary image to
say
the least but not one I invented. It's just what people say.

I heard on the street that S888Wheel (AKA Scott Wheeler) is a pedophile.
Is it true ?

Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father was
sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he is.
Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't email me
with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.

That's not the word on the streets.

Friendly advice Scott: Stop walking the streets and get an honest job.

From: The Devil s
Date: 7/19/2004 11:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: z

On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father
was
sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he
is.
Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't email
me
with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?



He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel likes to be
with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.

That's not the word on the streets.

Friendly advice Scott: Stop walking the streets and get an honest job.


Walking is good exercise. I do prefer the hiking trails by my house to the
streets though. I have an honest job Arny, actually several at the moment. What
about you? Gainfully employed?

S888Wheel a écrit :
From: Lionel ahc
Date: 7/19/2004 10:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

S888Wheel a écrit :


That's not the word on the streets. I'm told it's the Mrs. who wears the

pants

while you stay at home in the nicotine stained underwear. A scary image to

say

the least but not one I invented. It's just what people say.

I heard on the street that S888Wheel (AKA Scott Wheeler) is a pedophile.
Is it true ?


Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father was
sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he is.
Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't email me
with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Oh, oh, you are spending a lot of time in the street !
Don't you have a few minutes to sue Arnold Krueger once again ?
Please it was too funny.
Don't be an ingrate, make a fool of yourself one more time.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel
likes to be with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

If i"m on the bottom Scott, where does that put you with your lost lawsuit
against me?

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.

That's not the word on the streets.

Friendly advice Scott: Stop walking the streets and get an honest
job.


Walking is good exercise.

Is that what you tell the police officers in your neighborhood when they
stop you for soliciting on the streets, Scott?

I do prefer the hiking trails by my house to the streets though.

That's not what you just said, Scott. Why are you changing your story, now?

I have an honest job Arny, actually several at
the moment.

Your *jobs* are so honest Scott that you decline to speak specifically about
them in public Scott, isn't that what the record shows?

What about you? Gainfully employed?

Indeed. Laughing and skipping to the bank with my pockets full of checks to
deposit.

S888Wheel a écrit :

From: The Devil s
Date: 7/19/2004 11:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: z

On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:


Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father

was

sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he

is.

Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't email

me

with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?




He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile.

You are a *liar*.
If you wasn't a pedophile you would have won your lawsuit against Arnold
Krueger.
You have renounced just because you was afraid about possible police
investigation in your *dirty* secret life. Conclusion S888Wheel aka
"Scott Wheeler" is a pedophile.

This clearly proves that you are a pedophile.

S888Wheel a écrit :

From: The Devil s
Date: 7/19/2004 11:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: z

On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:


Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father

was

sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he

is.

Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't email

me

with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?




He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel likes to be
with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

You are a *liar*.
If you wasn't a pedophile you would have won your lawsuit against Arnold
Krueger.
You have renounced just because you was afraid about possible police
investigations in your *dirty* secret life. The obvious conclusion
S888Wheel aka "Scott Wheeler" is a pedophile.

S888Wheel a écrit :

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.

That's not the word on the streets.

Friendly advice Scott: Stop walking the streets and get an honest job.



Walking is good exercise.

S888Wheel is making is footing in the street when he gives chase to the
little girls. Running is also a good exercice, eh Scott ?

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel
likes to be with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

If i"m on the bottom Scott, where does that put you with your lost lawsuit
against me?


You think it is less respectable to drop a lawsuit and more respectable to make
unprovoked false accusations of pedophilia? If you do, I suggest you seek
counciling form your local pastor on this question. If you don't then you
should know it puts me somewhere above the bottom.

From: Lionel ahc
Date: 7/19/2004 11:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

S888Wheel a écrit :

From: The Devil s
Date: 7/19/2004 11:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: z

On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:


Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of
lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father

was

sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he

is.

Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't
email

me

with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?




He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile.

You are a *liar*.
If you wasn't a pedophile you would have won your lawsuit against Arnold
Krueger.
You have renounced just because you was afraid about possible police
investigation in your *dirty* secret life. Conclusion S888Wheel aka
"Scott Wheeler" is a pedophile.

This clearly proves that you are a pedophile.







Please do not project your father's criminal past on me. I wasn't the one who
did those terrible things to you.

From: Lionel ahc
Date: 7/19/2004 11:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

S888Wheel a écrit :
From: Lionel ahc
Date: 7/19/2004 10:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

S888Wheel a écrit :


That's not the word on the streets. I'm told it's the Mrs. who wears the

pants

while you stay at home in the nicotine stained underwear. A scary image to

say

the least but not one I invented. It's just what people say.

I heard on the street that S888Wheel (AKA Scott Wheeler) is a pedophile.
Is it true ?


Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father
was
sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he
is.
Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't
email me
with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Oh, oh, you are spending a lot of time in the street !

Only when commuting by car.


Don't you have a few minutes to sue Arnold Krueger once again ?

No.


Please it was too funny.
Don't be an ingrate, make a fool of yourself one more time.

I could never keep up with you Lionel.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
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I hate to break your heart Scott, but I do wear pants.

That's not the word on the streets.

Friendly advice Scott: Stop walking the streets and get an honest
job.


Walking is good exercise.

Is that what you tell the police officers in your neighborhood when they
stop you for soliciting on the streets, Scott?

What do you tell the family when they ask you why you neglect them to spend
time on line? Do you tell them you do it to smear people like this?



I do prefer the hiking trails by my house to the streets though.

That's not what you just said, Scott. Why are you changing your story, now?

What you just said is irrelevant. You are a pathological liar.



I have an honest job Arny, actually several at
the moment.

Your *jobs* are so honest Scott that you decline to speak specifically about
them in public Scott, isn't that what the record shows?

No. It shows your inability to figure out what I do for a living has been a
source of amusement for me.

What about you? Gainfully employed?

Indeed. Laughing and skipping to the bank with my pockets full of checks to
deposit.


You have to have pants to have pockets Arny. Stop lying. I remember the shock
you expressed at the idea of someone making 78,000 dollars a year. I forgot.
You can't stop lying. Sad.

S888Wheel a écrit :

From: Lionel ahc
Date: 7/19/2004 11:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
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S888Wheel a écrit :


From: The Devil s
Date: 7/19/2004 11:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
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On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:



Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of

lies

about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father

was


sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he

is.


Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't

email

me


with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?




He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile.

You are a *liar*.
If you wasn't a pedophile you would have won your lawsuit against Arnold
Krueger.
You have renounced just because you was afraid about possible police
investigation in your *dirty* secret life. Conclusion S888Wheel aka
"Scott Wheeler" is a pedophile.

This clearly proves that you are a pedophile.








Please do not project your father's criminal past on me. I wasn't the one who
did those terrible things to you.

LOL... You misunderstood me Scott Wheeler.
You are the one who strangely gave up a long time proclamed victorious
lawsuit... No doubt that it is to prevent police investigation.

S888Wheel a écrit :

I remember the shock you expressed at the idea of someone making 78,000 dollars a year.

You are doing a good business in selling pictures and movies of your
sordid and depraving acts. No news you are really a disgusting person,
S888Wheel.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
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He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel
likes to be with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

If i"m on the bottom Scott, where does that put you with your lost
lawsuit against me?


You think it is less respectable to drop a lawsuit and more
respectable to make unprovoked false accusations of pedophilia?

Come on Scott, you know you didn't drop the lawsuit. The court's record
shows that they threw it out.

If you're gonna lie about the facts this way, there's no purpose served by
trying to talk sense to you.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I remember
the shock you expressed at the idea of someone making 78,000 dollars
a year.

Say what? Been there done that, even 10 or more years ago.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 2:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message


He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel
likes to be with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

If i"m on the bottom Scott, where does that put you with your lost
lawsuit against me?


You think it is less respectable to drop a lawsuit and more
respectable to make unprovoked false accusations of pedophilia?

Come on Scott, you know you didn't drop the lawsuit.

Yes I did by not correcting the problem the court had with the proof of
service.

The court's record
shows that they threw it out.

It also shows why but you never want to talk about that. Just like you don't
want to answer the question.



If you're gonna lie about the facts this way, there's no purpose served by
trying to talk sense to you.

I have been entirely truthful about the facts and you have done your best to
avoid answering the questions that speak most clearly of your lack of
character. Yep you and Lionel are bottom dwellars in a very little pond.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 2:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I remember
the shock you expressed at the idea of someone making 78,000 dollars
a year.

Say what?

You didn't understand? (chuckle)

Been there done that, even 10 or more years ago.

OK you found that sort of income shocking 10 yeas ago too. Why bring that up?

S888Wheel a écrit :

Yes I did by not correcting the problem the court had with the proof of
service.

Wrong, you are a *liar* Scott "S888Wheel" Wheeler.
You stopped the lawsuit when police starts to investigate about your
private life and your sexual eccentricities.

I heard on the street that you have been so afraid that your pink silk
underwear have been suddenly nicotine tinted. Is it true ? ;-)

"tor b" wrote in message
om
Singh's replacement, dave "the new lapdog" weil, jumps off George's
lap to do some ankle nipping:

dave weil wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:29:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Oh, I also record both music and voice.

Except that the music that you record is pretty laughable.

Sit! Stay! Good, dave-dog! Want a biscuit?

Dave's doing his omniscient act again.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 2:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 7/19/2004 11:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message


He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess
Lionel likes to be with Arny on the bottom of the pond.

If i"m on the bottom Scott, where does that put you with your lost
lawsuit against me?

You think it is less respectable to drop a lawsuit and more
respectable to make unprovoked false accusations of pedophilia?

Come on Scott, you know you didn't drop the lawsuit.

Yes I did by not correcting the problem the court had with the proof
of service.

IOW, the court forced you to drop the suit by enforcing the law.

The court's record shows that they threw it out.

It also shows why but you never want to talk about that.

Scott, the court's record shows that they asked you to show cause for your
poorly-planned course of action, and that you resorted to delaying actions
to drag the whole thing out.

Just like you don't want to answer the question.

Been there, done that. I baited the trap Scott, and you got caught in a web
of your own deceit, stupidity, and arrogance.

If you're gonna lie about the facts this way, there's no purpose
served by trying to talk sense to you.

I have been entirely truthful about the facts

LOL!. The whole lawsuit was a lie. At its core was your claim that you were
done irreparable harm. That was all a figment of your imagination.

and you have done your
best to avoid answering the questions that speak most clearly of your
lack of character.

I admit that it was kind of low of me to bait you into something as stupid
as your lawsuit.

Yep you and Lionel are bottom dwellars in a very little pond.

Trouble is Scott, you are dead meat rotting at the bottom of that pond.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:51:49 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
. com
Singh's replacement, dave "the new lapdog" weil, jumps off George's
lap to do some ankle nipping:

dave weil wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:29:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Oh, I also record both music and voice.

Except that the music that you record is pretty laughable.

Sit! Stay! Good, dave-dog! Want a biscuit?

Dave's doing his omniscient act again.

Ahhh, the Mutt and Jeff show is now in full swing.