[Carey Carlan]

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky pedals.
I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his neglect
doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?

[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:26:42 GMT, Carey Carlan
wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky pedals.
I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his neglect
doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?

Where's the squeak coming from? Piano tuners carry powdered graphite.
I've seen one cure a squeak with washing-up liquid.

[Carey Carlan]

Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in
:

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:26:42 GMT, Carey Carlan
wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Where's the squeak coming from? Piano tuners carry powdered graphite.
I've seen one cure a squeak with washing-up liquid.

As this question is for future gigs, I can't answer. The two recent gigs
had squeaks from the location of the pedals, but I'm looking for a more
general solution.

Graphite sounds reasonable. I would hesitate to put a soapy liquid near a
piano's finish.

[Scott Dorsey]

Carey Carlan wrote:

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?

Graphite spray, or powdered teflon spray. Ask at your local auto parts store.
Also useful for noisy stage curtains.

Don't use any oils, because they will attract dirt.
---scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Carey Carlan]

Chel van Gennip wrote in news:4qmv03Fno9fqU1
@individual.net:

Better not mess around with delicate instruments of others. Beter get a
good technician to cure the problem. Ever tried to remove graphite powder
from wood, or felt?

Make no attempt to fix the problem before recording begins? Or do you have
an alternative?

[Six String Stu]

Maybe point the problem out to the owner and have an understanding that the
recording will suffer from the squeaking and that you can not be held liable
for such an occurance?
I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just thinking that would be a heck of a
lot better then buying somebody a new baby grand.
I suppose the person at the keyboard wouldn't even know the problem existed
from thier seat.

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"Carey Carlan" wrote in message
...
Chel van Gennip wrote in news:4qmv03Fno9fqU1
@individual.net:

Better not mess around with delicate instruments of others. Beter get a
good technician to cure the problem. Ever tried to remove graphite powder
from wood, or felt?

Make no attempt to fix the problem before recording begins? Or do you
have
an alternative?

[Carey Carlan]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in
:

Carey Carlan wrote:

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Graphite spray, or powdered teflon spray. Ask at your local auto
parts store. Also useful for noisy stage curtains.

Don't use any oils, because they will attract dirt.
---scott

Don't plan to record any curtains.
I've never seen teflon spray. Is the teflon residue white?

[Carey Carlan]

"Six String Stu" wrote in
:

Maybe point the problem out to the owner and have an understanding
that the recording will suffer from the squeaking and that you can not
be held liable for such an occurance?
I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just thinking that would be a heck
of a lot better then buying somebody a new baby grand.
I suppose the person at the keyboard wouldn't even know the problem
existed from thier seat.

I understand your point, but "not being held liable" for the squeak doesn't
help the recording. No one could extrapolate that the engineer caused the
noise in the recording. Nevertheless, this permanent record will be
blemished for all time.

I'm looking for a "safe and nontoxic" way to reduce or eliminate the
problem. I suspect that judicious application of graphite or teflon would
help. I also understand that misuse could make me liable for damages.
That's where the "judicious use" comes in.

[Six String Stu]

right you are sir.

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"Carey Carlan" wrote in message
...
"Six String Stu" wrote in
:

Maybe point the problem out to the owner and have an understanding
that the recording will suffer from the squeaking and that you can not
be held liable for such an occurance?
I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just thinking that would be a heck
of a lot better then buying somebody a new baby grand.
I suppose the person at the keyboard wouldn't even know the problem
existed from thier seat.

I understand your point, but "not being held liable" for the squeak
doesn't
help the recording. No one could extrapolate that the engineer caused the
noise in the recording. Nevertheless, this permanent record will be
blemished for all time.

I'm looking for a "safe and nontoxic" way to reduce or eliminate the
problem. I suspect that judicious application of graphite or teflon would
help. I also understand that misuse could make me liable for damages.
That's where the "judicious use" comes in.

[Six String Stu]

Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?
There used to be a graphics company located in a building I once took care
of. They had this very expensive bottle of liquid silicone. Which they used
on various pieces of equipment. Sometimes they would apply it with a sort of
non cotton q-tip and other times they would put one of those trigger things
like you see on a spray bottle.
They were a very professional group of folks and extreemly meticulus about
thier care for property.
I remember once (back in the dot matrix printer days) I used some of it on
my epson wide carriage. The thing would probably still be working today if I
hadnt got sick of the noise it made. '-)

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"Carey Carlan" wrote in message
...
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in
:

Carey Carlan wrote:

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Graphite spray, or powdered teflon spray. Ask at your local auto
parts store. Also useful for noisy stage curtains.

Don't use any oils, because they will attract dirt.
---scott

Don't plan to record any curtains.
I've never seen teflon spray. Is the teflon residue white?

[Scott Dorsey]

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe point the problem out to the owner and have an understanding that the
recording will suffer from the squeaking and that you can not be held liable
for such an occurance?

But MAN, you can't get RID of the SUSTAIN squeak. It's MY SOUND, man!
You're killing my TONE.
--scott
--
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[Scott Dorsey]

Carey Carlan wrote:

Don't plan to record any curtains.

I have recorded lots of them, much to my dismay.

I've never seen teflon spray. Is the teflon residue white?

Yes. Ace Hardware carries some "Elmer's Brand Dry Lubricant" which is
dry teflon spray.
--scott
--
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[Scott Dorsey]

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near wood.
--scott


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[Scott Fraser]

Graphite sounds reasonable. I would hesitate to put a soapy liquid
near a
piano's finish.

It wouldn't be anywhere near the finish. Usually the squeak comes from
the point of contact between the back of the pedal & the lifter rods,
or between the top of the lifter & the damping mechanism. Harder to get
at is the axle which the pedal rotates on. It's generally at a point of
metal to leather or metal to felt contact. Common sense should allow a
safe application of the graphite.

Scott Fraser

[Scott Fraser]

Maybe point the problem out to the owner and have an understanding
that the
recording will suffer from the squeaking and that you can not be held
liable
for such an occurance?

I've never had a client refuse to allow me to improve the potential
quality of their recording. Quite often a pedal squeak can be
eliminated just by rotating or reseating the lifter rods, or pushing &
pulling the pedal gently.

Scott Fraser

[Six String Stu]

well that is certianly good to know.
Guess my suggestion was like advising to use a sledgehammer to unstick a
window. lol

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near
wood.
--scott


--
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[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:48:13 -0600, "Six String Stu"
wrote:

Maybe point the problem out to the owner and have an understanding that the
recording will suffer from the squeaking and that you can not be held liable
for such an occurance?
I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just thinking that would be a heck of a
lot better then buying somebody a new baby grand.
I suppose the person at the keyboard wouldn't even know the problem existed
from thier seat.

He'd know.

[Laurence Payne]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:31:45 +0100, Chel van Gennip
wrote:

I am often in such a situation. Often some pedal noises can be fixed by
minor adjustments in the pedal supports ( e.g. the metal bars that go up
in an angle). Better not add graphite or teflon if you are not qualified
or permitted to do so. A pianist can minimize the problem by not using too
much force on the pedals, and you can choose a microphone positon that
does not pick up too much noises etc.

You're assuming it's a grand piano? If so, sometimes the pedal unit
isn't touching the ground. A suitable block underneath can stop it
moving around, if that's where the squeak is coming from. Paperback
books are good.

[Michael Wozniak]

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In article ,
says...
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in
:

Carey Carlan wrote:

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Graphite spray, or powdered teflon spray. Ask at your local auto
parts store. Also useful for noisy stage curtains.

Don't use any oils, because they will attract dirt.
---scott

Don't plan to record any curtains.
I've never seen teflon spray. Is the teflon residue white?

Here is one place to look. Search internet for teflon spray lube.

http://www.worldklass.com/pro_drytef.html
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Crowley, Miho, and many others past and present. (not being named doesn't
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It's just the kind of thing that doesn't get mentioned enough here. Hip Hip
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[Ben Bradley]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:26:42 GMT, Carey Carlan
wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky pedals.
I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his neglect
doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?

There's this powder, made more for action parts, but surely good
for trapwork as well:

http://www.spurlocktools.com/id39.htm

... though the teflon spray Scott mentioned may be better for
getting the teflon into a pedal hinge. There could be any of several
places in the trapwork that could be the cause, but if time is
critical I suppose you could just "shotgun" them all with teflon.

I've been lurking for a while on the pianotech list while learning
to tune and fix up some thrift-store buys:
http://www.ptg.org/resources-mailing...Newsgroups.php
This list is high traffic (yet full of knowledgable posters), so
you may not want to subscribe unless you really want to become a
tuner/maintainer guy. But the archives are public, and you can search
them with Google by using your desired search strings like this:
trapwork squeaks sitetg.org
trapwork noise sitetg.org

[hank alrich]

Carey Carlan wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky pedals.
I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his neglect
doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Yeah, but if you let the client suffer that noise just one time, the
next time a little reminder ahead of the date will put 'em in "let's
call the piano tuner/tech" mode.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?

You might ask at rec.music.makers.piano

--
ha

[david correia]

In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near wood.
--scott



C'mon Scott, one molecule thick??? Not 2 or 2 thousand? Seems kinda hard
to believe, not that I have any idea.




David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

[Six String Stu]

Well I can see his point. Silicone is a lot like warm hot oil (even at room
temps) it could spread and stain quite a bit. much thinner then oil and more
lubricative.
It was the lubrication value that promted me to suggest it before thinking
what the possible effects would be.
Maybe it wouldn't have a stained look right after application but given time
and dust/dirt it might leave a noticable discoloration.
lol I sure wouldn't want to test the theory on anything as expensive as a
piano. especially on my budget. ;-)

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"david correia" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near
wood.
--scott



C'mon Scott, one molecule thick??? Not 2 or 2 thousand? Seems kinda hard
to believe, not that I have any idea.




David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

[Scott Dorsey]

david correia wrote:
In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near wood.

C'mon Scott, one molecule thick??? Not 2 or 2 thousand? Seems kinda hard
to believe, not that I have any idea.

It takes decades, but when it gets thin the stuff adheres more strongly to
other surfaces than to itself. So it gets progressively thinner and thinner
until it can't get any thinner than that.
--scott

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[Carey Carlan]

"Scott Fraser" wrote in
oups.com:

I've never had a client refuse to allow me to improve the potential
quality of their recording. Quite often a pedal squeak can be
eliminated just by rotating or reseating the lifter rods, or pushing &
pulling the pedal gently.

Now there's some useful information.

[mike]

Carey Carlan wrote:
On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky pedals.
I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his neglect
doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?
Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller

[mike]

mike wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller
Correct that to LPS1 Sorry. LPS 2 is like wd-40 . It is LPS 1 that
leaves no film or oils and will not attack paints,.
Sorry
Mike Mueller

[david correia]

In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

david correia wrote:
In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near
wood.

C'mon Scott, one molecule thick??? Not 2 or 2 thousand? Seems kinda hard
to believe, not that I have any idea.

It takes decades, but when it gets thin the stuff adheres more strongly to
other surfaces than to itself. So it gets progressively thinner and thinner
until it can't get any thinner than that.
--scott



Ah yes, the Nicole Richie theorem.





David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

[Adrian Tuddenham]

mike wrote:

mike wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller
Correct that to LPS1 Sorry. LPS 2 is like wd-40 . It is LPS 1 that
leaves no film or oils and will not attack paints,.

If it doesn't leave a film, how does it lubricate?


--
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www.poppyrecords.co.uk

[Rob Reedijk]

Carey Carlan wrote:
On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky pedals.
I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his neglect
doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or cosmetic
damage?

Often a big problem for me. Perhaps a good strategy is to make sure
your client has the tuner make sure the pedals aren't squeaking. They
are having the piano tuned for the recording aren't they?...

Now if only we could get the tuner to do something about the nostril
breathing sounds which always gets worse as the pianist concentrates.
And can that tuner also do something about the violinist's breathing
sounds? And what about the squeaking floor boards as the violinist
rocks back and forth to the music? And what about the soprano who
likes to rotate dramatically for the audience which means some of
her words disappear on the recording?

Oh wait a minute...these are all things that the musicians are
responsible for controlling. And that sometimes even extends to pedal
squeak. But still make sure the tuner checks it out.

Rob R.

[GregS]

In article t, mike wrote:
mike wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote:

On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller
Correct that to LPS1 Sorry. LPS 2 is like wd-40 . It is LPS 1 that
leaves no film or oils and will not attack paints,.
Sorry

No one really explained whats squeaking. Sounds like metal to metal
to me. So whats my favorite lubs. For metal, just about anything will temporarily
stop or reduce squeeking. If I was there, I think the best product is a TFE
spray I use. I think it was by Solder Seal, and comes out foamy and thick.
Not a dry lube only, but is pretty heavy duty, and can flow into joints.
For some reason, I want to try to use Trumpet valve oil. I think its silicone
based, but its something thats frequently around.

greg

[mike]

Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
mike wrote:


mike wrote:

Carey Carlan wrote:


On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller

Correct that to LPS1 Sorry. LPS 2 is like wd-40 . It is LPS 1 that
leaves no film or oils and will not attack paints,.


If it doesn't leave a film, how does it lubricate?


Here are the spec's on LPS 1
http://www.lpslabs.com/products/Lubricants/LPS1.asp

[Adrian Tuddenham]

mike wrote:

Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
mike wrote:


mike wrote:

Carey Carlan wrote:


On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller

Correct that to LPS1 Sorry. LPS 2 is like wd-40 . It is LPS 1 that
leaves no film or oils and will not attack paints,.


If it doesn't leave a film, how does it lubricate?


Here are the spec's on LPS 1
http://www.lpslabs.com/products/Lubricants/LPS1.asp


Quote:

~~~~~~~
* Provides a dry, thin lubricating film

~~~~~~~


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[GregS]

In article valid, lid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:
mike wrote:

Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
mike wrote:


mike wrote:

Carey Carlan wrote:


On a couple of recent gigs I've had to record pianos with squeaky
pedals. I know that's the domain of the tuner/maintainer guy, but his
neglect doesn't cut it when it's time to record.

Is there a safe and useful spray or liquid I can apply to temporarily
silence the mechanism without causing any permanent mechanical or
cosmetic damage?

Use LPS 2 .. Use only LPS2 no other LPS product. This is a non oil, non
silcone product. I've used it for 34 years on all my woodworking
equipment. Leaves no residue on wood when applied properly and with
restraint. It does not attack lacquer finishes and can be easily wiped
of with a clean cloth. Recommended lubricant from almost all machinery
manufactures. Never use wd-40. This is not a lubricant It is a solvent
and desolves other lubricants.

Mike Mueller

Correct that to LPS1 Sorry. LPS 2 is like wd-40 . It is LPS 1 that
leaves no film or oils and will not attack paints,.


If it doesn't leave a film, how does it lubricate?


Here are the spec's on LPS 1
http://www.lpslabs.com/products/Lubricants/LPS1.asp


Quote:

~~~~~~~
* Provides a dry, thin lubricating film

WD-40 leaves a dry film when dry.

I have been using CRC 2-26.

Plastic safe, multipurpose, precision lub. Improves electrical properties.
Leaves a thin molecular non-hardening film. Approved for poultry plants.
The really neat thing is its dirt cheap at The Home Depot, for 11 oz.

greg

[Laurence Payne]

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:29:50 GMT, (GregS) wrote:

For some reason, I want to try to use Trumpet valve oil. I think its silicone
based, but its something thats frequently around.

Trumpet valve oil is generally oil. I use a silicone-based cream on
my trombone slide, but it isn't "fast" enough for a piston valve.

New gimmicks arise all the time though. Perhaps I've missed a new
valve lubrication. :-)

[philicorda]

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:29:50 +0000, GregS wrote:


No one really explained whats squeaking. Sounds like metal to metal
to me. So whats my favorite lubs. For metal, just about anything will temporarily
stop or reduce squeeking. If I was there, I think the best product is a TFE
spray I use. I think it was by Solder Seal, and comes out foamy and thick.
Not a dry lube only, but is pretty heavy duty, and can flow into joints.
For some reason, I want to try to use Trumpet valve oil. I think its silicone
based, but its something thats frequently around.

In my dodgy old upright piano it was wood on wood that was squeaking.
Rubbing some beeswax into the rubbing parts sorted it out.

If the pushrods are thumping/squeaking and not doing anything till
the pedals are pushed down a centimetre or so, then you can turn the
adjustment bolts on them and the pedals till the action works better.
When there's no adjustment, stuffing a bit of tissue in where the top of
the pedal meets the body can help.


greg

[Rv!]

Ah yes, the Nicole Richie theorem.

Silicon could never get that "cute"...

Google helped me ID her... Always thought she was "nice but dim."

Rv!

[Kurt Albershardt]

david correia wrote:
In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Six String Stu wrote:
Maybe he's talking about Silicone spray?

NO. Definite not. Don't even THINK about it.

You get silicone oil on a surface and it will slowly spread out until it
covers everything a molecule thick. Good for a lot of things, especially
high temperature things like printer fusers. Not good for anything near wood.
--scott


C'mon Scott, one molecule thick??? Not 2 or 2 thousand? Seems kinda hard
to believe, not that I have any idea.


There are different types of silicone available. The best of them (not
typically available at retail) contain no petroleum oils and are
basically silicone solids in a VOC or gaseous solvent. Can't speak to
usage on wood, but there is a _huge_ difference in how the dry stuff
behaves on plastic & rubber when compared with the typical auto parts
store junk.

[GregS]

In article , "philicorda" wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:29:50 +0000, GregS wrote:


No one really explained whats squeaking. Sounds like metal to metal
to me. So whats my favorite lubs. For metal, just about anything will
temporarily
stop or reduce squeeking. If I was there, I think the best product is a TFE
spray I use. I think it was by Solder Seal, and comes out foamy and thick.
Not a dry lube only, but is pretty heavy duty, and can flow into joints.
For some reason, I want to try to use Trumpet valve oil. I think its silicone
based, but its something thats frequently around.

In my dodgy old upright piano it was wood on wood that was squeaking.
Rubbing some beeswax into the rubbing parts sorted it out.

If the pushrods are thumping/squeaking and not doing anything till
the pedals are pushed down a centimetre or so, then you can turn the
adjustment bolts on them and the pedals till the action works better.
When there's no adjustment, stuffing a bit of tissue in where the top of
the pedal meets the body can help.

Beeswax reminds me of LPS 3. It dries to a waxy surface.

greg

[Scott Dorsey]

GregS wrote:

Quote:

~~~~~~~
* Provides a dry, thin lubricating film

LPS1 is a paraffin powder. It's probably not as effective on some things
s teflon, but it's probably more effective on wood.

WD-40 leaves a dry film when dry.

Unfortunately it's a sticky and gummy one.

I have been using CRC 2-26.

Plastic safe, multipurpose, precision lub. Improves electrical properties.
Leaves a thin molecular non-hardening film. Approved for poultry plants.
The really neat thing is its dirt cheap at The Home Depot, for 11 oz.

This is light machine oil in a spray can.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."