Lionel wrote:


What are you listening *NOW* ?



!) HEART - Dreamboat Annie

2) FRANKLIN MINT - Brother Duets (from collection of Greatest Country Music of
All Time - 100 Volumes)

3) PETER, PAUL & MARY - Around the Campfire

4) GEORGE CARLIN - Class Clown

'5) BOB GIBSON & BOB CAMP - At the Gate of Horn

6) CHIEFTAINS - Sanitago

7) ANDREW DICE CLAY - Dice Rules


(all heard within the last 24 hours)



Bruce J. Richman

Lionel wote:


Bruce J. Richman - - samedi
24 Avril 2004 00:01 wrote:

Lionel wrote:


What are you listening *NOW* ?



!) HEART - Dreamboat Annie

2) FRANKLIN MINT - Brother Duets (from collection of Greatest Country
Music of All Time - 100 Volumes)

3) PETER, PAUL & MARY - Around the Campfire

4) GEORGE CARLIN - Class Clown

'5) BOB GIBSON & BOB CAMP - At the Gate of Horn

6) CHIEFTAINS - Sanitago

7) ANDREW DICE CLAY - Dice Rules


(all heard within the last 24 hours)

Thanks Bruce for your honest answer...
The question now is :
- why are you listening so much "Peter, Paul & Mary ?








Well, I happen to like and collect acoustic folk music. I've had the pleasure
of seeing Peter, Paul & Mary many times in concert over the years,l and
consider them to be one of the best folk singing groups of all time. (Others
would include the Weavers and the Kingston Trio).

It may interest you to know that P, P & M were instrumental in popularizing a
lot of Bob Dylan's better known work such as "Blowin' In the Wind, The Great
Mandala, etc.". I guess one of the appeals of folk music (Iand to a lesser
extent, classic country music) for me is that the lyrics often tell a story of
either historical or political significance. It also frequently crosses
cultural and geographical barriers.

BTW, I was just out listening to my "2nd audio system", the one that relies on
a very clean 4-channel SS amplifier and matched MB Quart component speakers in
my automobile. Since you like jazz, I'll recommend a great recording on
Reference Recordings - Clark Terry - Big Band Basie. (Clark was one of Basie's
original soloists). While I was lilstening to a tape that I had made from the
LP, this, like, most RR recordings, is also available on CD. Reference
Recordigs CDs have an excellent reputation for being among the better labels in
terms of sonics and carefully done recordings. One of their principals of
Keith Johnson, of Spectral fame. You can see some of their offerings at:

www.referencerecordings.com

I have a fair number of their offerings and they are excellent. The Mike
Garson albums (piano jazz) - Serendipity, and Reflections, are beautifully done
small jazz combo work.



Bruce J. Richman

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
What are you listening *NOW* ?

**A documentary on the biological weapons programmes in the US and Russia.

Deeply disturbing stuff. The military (in the US and other places) will
NEVER stop researching this stuff. Ever.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
Lionel wote:



Bruce J. Richman - - samedi
24 Avril 2004 00:01 wrote:


Lionel wrote:



What are you listening *NOW* ?



!) HEART - Dreamboat Annie

2) FRANKLIN MINT - Brother Duets (from collection of Greatest Country
Music of All Time - 100 Volumes)

3) PETER, PAUL & MARY - Around the Campfire

4) GEORGE CARLIN - Class Clown

'5) BOB GIBSON & BOB CAMP - At the Gate of Horn

6) CHIEFTAINS - Sanitago

7) ANDREW DICE CLAY - Dice Rules


(all heard within the last 24 hours)

Thanks Bruce for your honest answer...
The question now is :
- why are you listening so much "Peter, Paul & Mary ?









Well, I happen to like and collect acoustic folk music. I've had the pleasure
of seeing Peter, Paul & Mary many times in concert over the years,l and
consider them to be one of the best folk singing groups of all time. (Others
would include the Weavers and the Kingston Trio).

It may interest you to know that P, P & M were instrumental in popularizing a
lot of Bob Dylan's better known work such as "Blowin' In the Wind, The Great
Mandala, etc.". I guess one of the appeals of folk music (Iand to a lesser
extent, classic country music) for me is that the lyrics often tell a story of
either historical or political significance. It also frequently crosses
cultural and geographical barriers.

I know that they have sung a famous french anti-war song from Boris Vian
and Mouloudji : "Le Déserteur"


BTW, I was just out listening to my "2nd audio system", the one that relies on
a very clean 4-channel SS amplifier and matched MB Quart component speakers in
my automobile. Since you like jazz, I'll recommend a great recording on
Reference Recordings - Clark Terry - Big Band Basie. (Clark was one of Basie's
original soloists). While I was lilstening to a tape that I had made from the
LP, this, like, most RR recordings, is also available on CD. Reference
Recordigs CDs have an excellent reputation for being among the better labels in
terms of sonics and carefully done recordings. One of their principals of
Keith Johnson, of Spectral fame. You can see some of their offerings at:

www.referencerecordings.com

I have a fair number of their offerings and they are excellent. The Mike
Garson albums (piano jazz) - Serendipity, and Reflections, are beautifully done
small jazz combo work.

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

Lionel wrote:


Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
Lionel wote:



Bruce J. Richman - - samedi
24 Avril 2004 00:01 wrote:


Lionel wrote:



What are you listening *NOW* ?



!) HEART - Dreamboat Annie

2) FRANKLIN MINT - Brother Duets (from collection of Greatest Country
Music of All Time - 100 Volumes)

3) PETER, PAUL & MARY - Around the Campfire

4) GEORGE CARLIN - Class Clown

'5) BOB GIBSON & BOB CAMP - At the Gate of Horn

6) CHIEFTAINS - Sanitago

7) ANDREW DICE CLAY - Dice Rules


(all heard within the last 24 hours)

Thanks Bruce for your honest answer...
The question now is :
- why are you listening so much "Peter, Paul & Mary ?









Well, I happen to like and collect acoustic folk music. I've had the
pleasure
of seeing Peter, Paul & Mary many times in concert over the years,l and
consider them to be one of the best folk singing groups of all time.
(Others
would include the Weavers and the Kingston Trio).

It may interest you to know that P, P & M were instrumental in popularizing
a
lot of Bob Dylan's better known work such as "Blowin' In the Wind, The
Great
Mandala, etc.". I guess one of the appeals of folk music (Iand to a lesser
extent, classic country music) for me is that the lyrics often tell a story
of
either historical or political significance. It also frequently crosses
cultural and geographical barriers.

I know that they have sung a famous french anti-war song from Boris Vian
and Mouloudji : "Le Déserteur"


Yes - I think it's on their live concert album - a double album simply called
"In Concert".



BTW, I was just out listening to my "2nd audio system", the one that relies
on
a very clean 4-channel SS amplifier and matched MB Quart component speakers
in
my automobile. Since you like jazz, I'll recommend a great recording on
Reference Recordings - Clark Terry - Big Band Basie. (Clark was one of
Basie's
original soloists). While I was lilstening to a tape that I had made from
the
LP, this, like, most RR recordings, is also available on CD. Reference
Recordigs CDs have an excellent reputation for being among the better
labels in
terms of sonics and carefully done recordings. One of their principals of
Keith Johnson, of Spectral fame. You can see some of their offerings at:

www.referencerecordings.com

I have a fair number of their offerings and they are excellent. The Mike
Garson albums (piano jazz) - Serendipity, and Reflections, are beautifully
done
small jazz combo work.

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.








The best source, if you're interested, is probably eBay. They often have
Reference Recordings LPs and CDs up for auction.


Bruce J. Richman

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
What are you listening *NOW* ?

The Modern Jazz Quartet, the last concert, at Lincoln Center

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:32:29 -0400, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
What are you listening *NOW* ?

The Modern Jazz Quartet, the last concert, at Lincoln Center

I'm not listening to music right now. I'm watching the Washington
Journal on CSPAN. Right now they're talking about spyware with a guy
from the Federal Trade Commission.

If you mean now in terms of the past few days, I've been listening to
the following:

Robin Lane and the Chartbusters - 5 Live EP given to me by a friendly
internet stranger
A British pressing of Casino Royale that I got from eBay for $10
(anyone know how this compares with the Colgem pressing? This one
sounds pretty darn good to me).
Death Cab For Cutie - 2lp vinyl of Transatlanticism that I bought new
in Oxford during my Elvis Costello show trips. I haven't listened to
the whole thing yet but what I've heard, I've really liked a lot.
Brian Eno - Another Green World
Shawn Colvin - A Few Small Repairs (this gets play by default on my CD
changer because it follows a live Costello CD that I've been listening
to a lot lately and I had forgotten how great this album is - I've
been letting it play all the way through)
John Hiatt - Slug Line and Two Bit Monsters (both recently obtained
from eBay)
Elgar - Violoncello Concerto with Orchestra - Beinum and the LSO with
Pini, cello
Laurie Anderson - Strange Angels (rebought after many years of not
owning it after seeing the great short movie Blind Light)
The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
Wishbone Ash - Argus

Oh yeah, I listened to most of the new Diana Krall album online a week
or two ago when her record company offered most of the full tracks for
evaluation. They might still be up there. I thought it was a lot more
adventurous than her previous efforts and she seems to be treading
into Joni Mitchell jazz areas instead of the white bread jazz singer
of yore. Costello seems to have had a lot to do with that.

Lionel said:

What are you listening *NOW* ?

CD:
Weather Report : 08.30
Pink Floyd : Momentary Lapse Of Reason.
Yellow Jackets : Mirage A Trois.
Propaganda : Duel.
Herbie Hancock : Dis Is Da Drum.

LP:
John McLaughlin: Adventures In Radioland.
Santana : Abraxas.
Steely Dan : Gaucho.
J.S. Bach: Brandenburgse Konzerte by Gustav Leonard & Orchestra.

Next:
Silence at -80 dB by CV4004 and Friends.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Boon

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips - - samedi 24
Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

Proud of not being self-sufficient as a country? That makes about as much
sense as anything else I've heard from you.

Boon

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Trevor Wilson - - samedi 24 Avril 2004
06:51 wrote:


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
What are you listening *NOW* ?

**A documentary on the biological weapons programmes in the US and
Russia.

Deeply disturbing stuff. The military (in the US and other places) will
NEVER stop researching this stuff. Ever.

You really didn't know ? G.W. Bush is their last *avatar*.
Dangerous no ?

**Very. So much power in the hands of a person so spectacularly stupid, is
truly frightening.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips - - samedi 24
Avril 2004 22:58 wrote:

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips - - samedi 24
Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

Proud of not being self-sufficient as a country? That makes about as much
sense as anything else I've heard from you.

Are you really sure to be self-sufficient as a human-being ?

Are you really sure that weak retort is enough? Do you want a second try?

Boon

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it
would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

"Lionel" wrote

What are you listening *NOW* ?

Brooks & Dunn, Red Dirt Road
Toby Heith, Shock'n Y'all

Beverage: Cabo Wabo - Anejo. In honor of
Sammy Hagar's brew I'll play some Van Halen
next .

Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it
would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

....said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in the greater
Detroit area.

Boon

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:55:33 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

As you are now the official Costello's biograph ;-) please explain me why
Gary Peacock has refused to play with him on stage.

Because Peacock was being an elitist jazz asshole who almost ruined
Lee Konitz' birthday celebration by refusing to play with Costello and
Bill Frisell at Konitz' 70th (I think) birthday celebration in NYC.
The club owner wanted to refuse Peacock the stage but Costello said
that he wouldn't want to be responsible for a musician being so badly
treated and he didn't appear at the celbreation. Konitz, Frisell and
Costello actually attempted a bassless verion of the song in
rehearsal, but they all agreed that it "sounded like a three-legged
chair".

Marc Phillips a écrit :
Lionel said:


Marc Phillips - - samedi 24
Avril 2004 22:58 wrote:


Lionel said:


Marc Phillips - - samedi 24
Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:


Lionel said:


Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

Proud of not being self-sufficient as a country? That makes about as much
sense as anything else I've heard from you.

Are you really sure to be self-sufficient as a human-being ?


Are you really sure that weak retort is enough? Do you want a second try?

Allez, go Mr. Phillips you cannot resist to make an ass of yourself so
please list all this *precious* things that you are owning and which
make the difference between your modern country and my third-world mine.

Please note that all reference to air-conditionner would be an other
proof of your morbid obsession. :-(

dave weil a écrit :
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:55:33 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


As you are now the official Costello's biograph ;-) please explain me why
Gary Peacock has refused to play with him on stage.


Because Peacock was being an elitist jazz asshole who almost ruined
Lee Konitz' birthday celebration by refusing to play with Costello and
Bill Frisell at Konitz' 70th (I think) birthday celebration in NYC.
The club owner wanted to refuse Peacock the stage but Costello said
that he wouldn't want to be responsible for a musician being so badly
treated and he didn't appear at the celbreation. Konitz, Frisell and
Costello actually attempted a bassless verion of the song in
rehearsal, but they all agreed that it "sounded like a three-legged
chair".

Where is Marc Johnson ? ;-)

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips a écrit :
Lionel said:


Marc Phillips - - samedi 24
Avril 2004 22:58 wrote:


Lionel said:


Marc Phillips - - samedi
24
Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:


Lionel said:


Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it
would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

Proud of not being self-sufficient as a country? That makes about as much
sense as anything else I've heard from you.

Are you really sure to be self-sufficient as a human-being ?


Are you really sure that weak retort is enough? Do you want a second try?

Allez, go Mr. Phillips you cannot resist to make an ass of yourself so
please list all this *precious* things that you are owning and which
make the difference between your modern country and my third-world mine.

France is not self-sufficient, nor does it export more than it imports.


Please note that all reference to air-conditionner would be an other
proof of your morbid obsession. :-(

Thanks for fantasizing about my responses to you. Now you can stop fantasizing
about being a worthwhile contributor to the group.

Boon

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it
would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

...said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in the
greater Detroit area.

I'll bet you're so stupid and arrogant Phillips that you think this sort of
a meltdown makes you look cool and smart.

Lionel said:

I recently purchase "Empyrean Isles" (1964) and "Inventions &
Dimensions" (1963) from Herbie Hancock. If you don't know, I recommend
them.

Thanks, but I do know those albums.
In fact, I think I have everything Herbie ever recorded, on CD or LP.
He's my all-time favourite piano player ( I play piano myself, so that
might explain why).

J.S. Bach: Brandenburgse Konzerte by Gustav Leonard & Orchestra.

You are really courageous.
I've copied nearly all my LPs on CD.
I don't understand where you find the courage to turn and clean these things
twice in 40 minutes.

I hardly see this as a problem.
Everything should be "interactive" these days, no? :-)

BTW this preserves them from my terrible Technics turntable
agressions... ;-)

Oh well.........go find yourself a good ERA at the pawnshop :-)

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander de Waal wrote:


Lionel said:

I recently purchase "Empyrean Isles" (1964) and "Inventions &
Dimensions" (1963) from Herbie Hancock. If you don't know, I recommend
them.

Thanks, but I do know those albums.
In fact, I think I have everything Herbie ever recorded, on CD or LP.
He's my all-time favourite piano player ( I play piano myself, so that
might explain why).

J.S. Bach: Brandenburgse Konzerte by Gustav Leonard & Orchestra.

You are really courageous.
I've copied nearly all my LPs on CD.
I don't understand where you find the courage to turn and clean these things
twice in 40 minutes.

I hardly see this as a problem.
Everything should be "interactive" these days, no? :-)


It's not a problem for many of us. Also, it is definitely not necessary to
clean LPs more than once, provided that an appropriate cleaning solution and
method is used. A carbon fibre brush generallly can take care of any dust that
might be on an already-cleaned record. Unlike the digital bigot from Detroit
and his Californian puppet, I don't think its worth while to trash peoples'
preferences.

BTW this preserves them from my terrible Technics turntable
agressions... ;-)

Oh well.........go find yourself a good ERA at the pawnshop :-)


That might be a cost-effective way to go. Or how about a used Rega or Project
turntable. They are relatively inexpensive in the USA, so I would guess they
would be even cheaper in Europe. Just make sure whatever you get is belt
drive.

eBay is another source for turntables, sometimes bargain-priced.


--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy








Bruce J. Richman

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips - - dimanche 25
Avril 2004 10:11 wrote:

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips a écrit :
Lionel said:


Marc Phillips - - samedi
24 Avril 2004 22:58 wrote:


Lionel said:


Marc Phillips - -
samedi
24
Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:


Lionel said:


Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it
would
be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

Proud of not being self-sufficient as a country? That makes about as
much sense as anything else I've heard from you.

Are you really sure to be self-sufficient as a human-being ?


Are you really sure that weak retort is enough? Do you want a second
try?

Allez, go Mr. Phillips you cannot resist to make an ass of yourself so
please list all this *precious* things that you are owning and which
make the difference between your modern country and my third-world mine.

France is not self-sufficient, nor does it export more than it imports.

Sometime true, sometime wrong...
France belongs to CEE and this is sometime helpfulf

France exports more than it imports. Period. That excludes first-world
status. Realistically, France is a second-world country, but with "developing"
minds such as your own littering the place, I have my doubts.


Please note that all reference to air-conditionner would be an other
proof of your morbid obsession. :-(

Thanks for fantasizing about my responses to you. Now you can stop
fantasizing about being a worthwhile contributor to the group.

The only word to describe you is "miserable"...
Boon everybody knows that you are a big fat impotent, your answers are so
foreseeable...

And yet you guessed wrong, making this statement above complete nonsense.
You're not very smart, Lionel. If you were, you wouldn't spend so much time on
a newsgroup where no one understands you and everyone thinks you're an
imbecile.

Boon

Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that it
would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

...said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in the
greater Detroit area.

I'll bet you're so stupid and arrogant Phillips that you think this sort of
a meltdown makes you look cool and smart.

Meltdown? What are you talking about, crazy man?

Boon

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that
it would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

...said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in
the greater Detroit area.

I'll bet you're so stupid and arrogant Phillips that you think this
sort of a meltdown makes you look cool and smart.

Meltdown? What are you talking about, crazy man?

Phillips' inability to examine his own behavior noted.

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips - - dimanche 25
Avril 2004 22:28 wrote:

You're not very smart, Lionel.

Who want to be *very smart* Marc ? You ?
If *yes* please let me tell you that you are a complete failure.
I guess that "to be very smart" is something like to belong "to a third
world country"... A dreamer, Marc you are a pathetic dreamer, the pathetic
supporter of an hypothetic American dream, the archetype of the American
*loser*.

If you were, you wouldn't spend so much
time on a newsgroup where no one understands you and everyone thinks
you're an imbecile.

A good reason for me to stay a little bit more... I never despair to be
undertood. )
BTW the situation on *this* NG wasn't better "before" me.

Sorry, but none of this makes sense in English.

Boon

Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that
it would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

...said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in
the greater Detroit area.

I'll bet you're so stupid and arrogant Phillips that you think this
sort of a meltdown makes you look cool and smart.

Meltdown? What are you talking about, crazy man?

Phillips' inability to examine his own behavior noted.

Thanks for admitting Krueger that you are able to examine your own behavior and
agree with me that you're crazy.

Boon

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that
it would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

...said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in
the greater Detroit area.

I'll bet you're so stupid and arrogant Phillips that you think this
sort of a meltdown makes you look cool and smart.

Meltdown? What are you talking about, crazy man?

Phillips' inability to examine his own behavior noted.

Mr. Krueger, you know a fair amount of data concerning some aspects of
audio reproduction at a certain level...and totally irrespective of
all the "objectivist/subjectivist" issues endlessly re-hashed on this
site...and even with acknowldgement that there are a number of, shall
we say, colorful, personalities online here...you appear as the most
disturbed persona I have ever beheld in this environment. After a
couple of months of reading posts to determine if I wanted to join in
these forums (my first career was in audio)I have felt that reading
some of the forums was like watching a train wreck, with a few
exceptions, in terms of posters.

While others may disagree, I won't liken you to really sick and
dangerous people. But you strike me as severely lacking in terms of
social development. In this, you stand out even above those who are
more openly vulgar on this site. Many people suffer from conditions
they have little or no contorl over that makes them extremely diffcult
to deal with socially. The difficulties you project are voluntary. You
seem to consider yourself a man of faith from some of the posts I've
read, but if that is so it's mindful of the bumper sticker "I like God
it's just his followers that worry me."

If you had to forego countering with justification of your actions by
using what others do here, what would your excuse be for frequently
choosing to behave in such reprehensible fashion? And, yes, I've read
plenty of your "prove it" and "he started it" (by my observation you
usually "start it") as well as the many other repitious comebacks and
hypocritical debate style you regularly employ. I certainly don't
expect you to address these points with any intellectual integrity.

By the way, I am not a "sockpuppet". I don't plan to post much more,if
any,on this site because I don't think it's a good place overall for
someone who wants to have fun with audio/stereos/music. RAHE & RAO
seem to be as much about many of the "regs" draining the enjoyment out
of a love for gear and music with endlessly predicatble stance-taking
that in the end never changes anything.

I almost would like to get into the differences between engineering(of
many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound reinforement audio
level) and other more advanced scientific/logical thinking arenas,to
discuss standards that I see lacking here regarding
proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by the objectivisits (hate
these labels). The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason. I honestly don't say that in a mean way , but in refernce to
true logical process. It seems the subs are truly having more fun.

You can defensively pigeon-hole me in whatever fasion you like or
simply dismiss me, but I wrote this as a catharsis for my wading
through so many contentious, ill-spirted BS posts on this site, a heap
upon which you, Mr. Krueger, stood head and shoulders above all.

Considering what I'm learning in my second career, I understand that
these words alone won't initiate any change in your behavior. S-Many
of my current peers would consider many of my remarks inappropriate to
present so bluntly and in an unsolicited situation. But at the end of
the day, Lawd Gawd Almighty!, you are simply reprehensible and
pathetic in a way that garners no sympathy.

dansteel wrote:

I almost would like to get into the differences between engineering(of
many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound reinforement audio
level) and other more advanced scientific/logical thinking arenas,to
discuss standards that I see lacking here regarding
proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by the objectivisits (hate
these labels).

So far so good.

The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason.

?????????????????????

I honestly don't say that in a mean way , but in refernce to
true logical process. It seems the subs are truly having more fun.

If you call name-calling and spending money like a obsessive sucker at Las
Vegas fun, then I really don't have the time...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
dansteel wrote:

I almost would like to get into the differences between engineering(of
many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound reinforement audio
level) and other more advanced scientific/logical thinking arenas,to
discuss standards that I see lacking here regarding
proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by the objectivisits (hate
these labels).

So far so good.

The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason.

?????????????????????

I assumed that ob/sub would be easily identified as an admittedly lazy
reduction of objectivist/subjectivist. I left out the word "are"
between "here" and "indistinguishable ." The next sentence of mine you
include (below) explains that I am equating "higer reason" with formal
logic, not in an "superior intellect" manner, if that helps.

I wrote:

I honestly don't say that in a mean way , but in refernce to
true logical process. It seems the subs are truly having more fun.

You then write:

If you call name-calling and spending money like a obsessive sucker at Las
Vegas fun, then I really don't have the time...


Isn't your applying the term "obsessive sucker" to a broad range of
people you disagree with taking the time to engage in name-calling?

As for Vegas, many people do indeed spend money there and have fun,
and many don't. I've witnessed both, and experienced both, though I
confess it was always a sighted procedure. I point out that a person
can spend money for fun, even extravagant amounts if avaiable, and may
not reasonably be labeled automatically as a sucker or obsessive. In
addition, a person can hoard money, or not have fun, and may still be
reasonably (but not automatically) labeled as obsessive or a sucker.

dansteel wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
dansteel wrote:

I almost would like to get into the differences between
engineering(of many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound
reinforement audio level) and other more advanced
scientific/logical thinking arenas,to discuss standards that I see
lacking here regarding proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by
the objectivisits (hate these labels).

So far so good.

The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason.

?????????????????????

I assumed that ob/sub would be easily identified as an admittedly lazy
reduction of objectivist/subjectivist.

That I get. It's the indistinguishability that I don't get.

If you can't tell the difference between the logical planes inhabited by
so-called objectivists and subjectivists, then there's no benefit to trying
to reason with you or for your benefit.

If you call name-calling and spending money like a obsessive sucker
at Las Vegas fun, then I really don't have the time...

Isn't your applying the term "obsessive sucker" to a broad range of
people you disagree with taking the time to engage in name-calling?

I was describing a specific kind of behavior, not call specific people bad
names.

Lionel wrote:


Bruce J. Richman - - dimanche
25 Avril 2004 21:43 wrote:

Sander de Waal wrote:


Lionel said:

I recently purchase "Empyrean Isles" (1964) and "Inventions &
Dimensions" (1963) from Herbie Hancock. If you don't know, I recommend
them.

Thanks, but I do know those albums.
In fact, I think I have everything Herbie ever recorded, on CD or LP.
He's my all-time favourite piano player ( I play piano myself, so that
might explain why).

J.S. Bach: Brandenburgse Konzerte by Gustav Leonard & Orchestra.

You are really courageous.
I've copied nearly all my LPs on CD.
I don't understand where you find the courage to turn and clean these
things twice in 40 minutes.

I hardly see this as a problem.
Everything should be "interactive" these days, no? :-)


It's not a problem for many of us. Also, it is definitely not necessary
to clean LPs more than once, provided that an appropriate cleaning
solution and
method is used. A carbon fibre brush generallly can take care of any dust
that
might be on an already-cleaned record. Unlike the digital bigot from
Detroit and his Californian puppet, I don't think its worth while to trash
peoples'
preferences.

BTW this preserves them from my terrible Technics turntable
agressions... ;-)

Oh well.........go find yourself a good ERA at the pawnshop :-)


That might be a cost-effective way to go. Or how about a used Rega or
Project
turntable. They are relatively inexpensive in the USA, so I would guess
they
would be even cheaper in Europe. Just make sure whatever you get is belt
drive.

eBay is another source for turntables, sometimes bargain-priced.

I also have an old Thorens one in my basement which need a new "cellule" (I
don't know the name in english) and also a new stylus, it's a big wooden
thing with an awful heavy "plexiglass cap". ;-)
I haven't had the idea to put it on eBay, thank you for the tip Bruce. )









I obviously wasn't suggesting that you dump your turntable, but since you feel
that vinyl playback is too much of a bother for you and not worth the enjoyment
you might derive, do whatever you want, of course. In general, proiducts sold
on eBay in need of fepair or hard to sell for any reasonable amount. Since you
have a Thorens, a very decent brand, why not find out from a reputable dealer
how much it would cost to fix? You would then be in a better position to sell
it to finance your digital preferences .






Bruce J. Richman

Lionel said:

Thank you Bruce for your kind suggestions. You have a certain talent for
business...
I have always thought that the price for the "cellule" + stylus will
discourage potential buyers... I will investigate perhaps a "good" deal to
do with this.

In English, that would be a cartridge.
Don't worry, most "analogue bigots" do want to use their own choice of
carts, anyway.
A good Thorens 160 will bring up 100 to 150 euro, at least here in the
Netherlands. Without cartridge!

:-( My wife uses to say that I purchase too much CDs...

My wife encourages me to buy more and more, and even LPs :-)
I know, I know, I have the best wife in the world grin

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander deWaal a écrit :
Lionel said:


Thank you Bruce for your kind suggestions. You have a certain talent for
business...
I have always thought that the price for the "cellule" + stylus will
discourage potential buyers... I will investigate perhaps a "good" deal to
do with this.


In English, that would be a cartridge.

A cartridge, thanks.

Don't worry, most "analogue bigots" do want to use their own choice of
carts, anyway.
A good Thorens 160 will bring up 100 to 150 euro, at least here in the
Netherlands. Without cartridge!

I have to check which Thorens P/N it is.
I just remember that it's a big uggly wooden thing. ;-)

:-( My wife uses to say that I purchase too much CDs...


My wife encourages me to buy more and more, and even LPs :-)
I know, I know, I have the best wife in the world grin

Because you have a nice car...

Sander de Waal wrote:


Lionel said:

Thank you Bruce for your kind suggestions. You have a certain talent for
business...
I have always thought that the price for the "cellule" + stylus will
discourage potential buyers... I will investigate perhaps a "good" deal to
do with this.

In English, that would be a cartridge.

That was my educated guess, but I wasn't sure.

Don't worry, most "analogue bigots" do want to use their own choice of
carts, anyway.

Very true. Actually, terms such as "vinyl bigot", "analogue bigot", and "tube
bigot" are simply delusional inventions of the documented SS & digital bigot,
Krueger.
He continuously misues and mislabels people who happen to enjoy vinyl and/or
tubed equipment (along with other choices) as bigots, when, in actuality, the
vast majority of those folks probably have both digital and SS equipment as
part of their source and/or electronics equipment system. "Bigots" are usually
defined as those who have little, if any tolerance or empathy for those with
different opinions or preferences. We all know who on RAO most meets that
criterion - LOL!!!!

All that said, there does happen to be an Internet mailing list called
"analogue addicts". I believe it is based in the UK, but has an international
subscription base. However, it is not as popular as the Phonogram mailing
list, which has many subscribers as well as posts from various journalists and
manufacturers, as well as just plain vinyl enthusiasts.

And no, there is no evidence, that any of them are bigots





A good Thorens 160 will bring up 100 to 150 euro, at least here in the
Netherlands. Without cartridge!

:-( My wife uses to say that I purchase too much CDs...

My wife encourages me to buy more and more, and even LPs :-)
I know, I know, I have the best wife in the world grin

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy








Bruce J. Richman

Lionel said:

I know, I know, I have the best wife in the world grin

Because you have a nice car...

Heh! When I first met her, my company just went belly-up, this event
left me with no car, no house, barely any clothes and a debt of over
100.000 guilders, which amounts to about 45.000 euro.

She stayed with me..........how stupid is *that* ? :-)

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander deWaal wrote in message . ..
Lionel said:

I know, I know, I have the best wife in the world grin

Because you have a nice car...

Heh! When I first met her, my company just went belly-up, this event
left me with no car, no house, barely any clothes and a debt of over
100.000 guilders, which amounts to about 45.000 euro.

She stayed with me..........how stupid is *that* ? :-)

I have identify with this testimonoial to the generosity of women...my
first wife bought me a pair of Koss Pro 44A's as gift after a few
weeks of dating...she'd witnessed my love for music, and the equipment
that furthered my enjoyment of it, and knew those Koss headphones were
something I wanted. She was working for minimum wage as a waitress at
the time. I knew she received good tips, as she was pretty and very
sweet, but knowing her income I was blown away by this gift ($40 in
1972 approx).

After we lived together awhile, she encouraged me in my desire to
trade in my Bose 901's and my JBL 100's toward the acqusition of the 9
foot long, 700 pound JBL Ranger Paragon, purchased at Shimek's in
Anchorage Alaska, where I was later to begin my first career in audio.
Talk about a liberal Wife Acceptance Factor. The next year she
upgraded my Dual 1229/Shure V-15 II to an Empire 598 Troubador(a
great,if litle known, turntable she knew I desired) for Christmas. On
a later birhtday she added an Infinity Black Widow tonearm and G.A.S.
Sleeping Beauty cartridge she knew I had liked after auditioning. May
we always be appreciative for mates that tolerate.

The 901's were actually less a disappointment than the Bose 1801 amp I
tried. After my negative reaction, I had it tested at a local
MacIntosh "challenge" clinic, and in spite of it's ok specs, I didn't
like the sound of it at all compared to the Crown DC300, Marantz
250/510M, and Citation 16 amps that I had also tried. I ended up with
the 510M, and later an Audio Research.

Interestingly, my actual "sighted bias" was that I thought the Bose
looked super cool (with the first L.E.D. display used on an amp)and
seemed the most impressive in size and construction, so hence my
chagrin at it's audio quality. Ah, well, forgive me for my nostalgia
if I bored everybody.

(dansteel) said:

Interestingly, my actual "sighted bias" was that I thought the Bose
looked super cool (with the first L.E.D. display used on an amp)and
seemed the most impressive in size and construction, so hence my
chagrin at it's audio quality. Ah, well, forgive me for my nostalgia
if I bored everybody.

No, not at all, you provided some audio content :-)

My wife's just nuts about good reproduction of music.
You should have heard her when I replaced my tube amp with a hybrid
one.........but now she prefers the sound of that one.
This has something to do with the nature of my speakers (Magnpans),
the tube amp is able to drive them but not to realistic sound levels.
Oh well, at least I'm able to roll my own audio stuff, so the cost and
appearance are under control :-)

About the WAF: our interior is based upon good reproduction of music,
my wife wouldn't have it any other way!

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Lionel said:

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Yeah, that must be it. grin
Now I'm still wondering whether it is my looks or my character...
They say I look like Fox Mulder (David Duchovny), so I'm still in the
dark about that question :-)

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander de Waal wrote:


(dansteel) said:

Interestingly, my actual "sighted bias" was that I thought the Bose
looked super cool (with the first L.E.D. display used on an amp)and
seemed the most impressive in size and construction, so hence my
chagrin at it's audio quality. Ah, well, forgive me for my nostalgia
if I bored everybody.

No, not at all, you provided some audio content :-)


I very much agree. A very welcome change from the character assassination
and/or political posturing that has taken over RAO. (No doubt this statement
will generate a personal attack from the usual flamers).

I would surmise that there are plenty of political NGs that one can go to in
order to argue about politics and smear Democrats or Republicans withouit
monopolizing the bandwidth here.

As a psychologist, I find it interesting that, IMHO, the same few people that
are most strident in smearing Democrats and makin all kinds of character
assassination-type comments about them........are the same people that tend to
do the same when attacking other RAO posters with whom they disagree. Perhaps
they've displaced some of their aggression from insulting the others here to
just insulting Democrats?

It sort of reminds me of a summer job I had while in graduate school. I worked
in a mental health clinic that treated families and childrens. I quickly
noticed that all the regular staff seemed to bitch about th coffee on a daily
basis. So one day, I asked the clinic director if he had a theory why this
took place. He said, "Sure, they all hate each others' guts but rather than
poison the work environment, they just displace all their anger on to the
coffee pot".





My wife's just nuts about good reproduction of music.
You should have heard her when I replaced my tube amp with a hybrid
one.........but now she prefers the sound of that one.
This has something to do with the nature of my speakers (Magnpans),
the tube amp is able to drive them but not to realistic sound levels.
Oh well, at least I'm able to roll my own audio stuff, so the cost and
appearance are under control :-)

About the WAF: our interior is based upon good reproduction of music,
my wife wouldn't have it any other way!

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy









Bruce J. Richman