I'm having some trouble with my FTP server, but here's one pic of my
Citroen CX.
http://tinyurl.com/3a4yn

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Sander deWaal wrote:
I'm having some trouble with my FTP server, but here's one pic of my
Citroen CX.
http://tinyurl.com/3a4yn


Whaooo ! It looks very agressive like that.
Very good job, congratulations.

Lionel

For all my fans:

www.citroen.demon.nl

Do compare img.1 with img.16 :-)

This site is, like the car, always under construction.

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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...

For all my fans:

www.citroen.demon.nl

Do compare img.1 with img.16 :-)

This site is, like the car, always under construction.

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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

What, exactly, is wrong with it?
Everything?

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...

For all my fans:

www.citroen.demon.nl

Do compare img.1 with img.16 :-)

This site is, like the car, always under construction.

--
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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

This is how Americans used to view foreign cars.

Mercedes: work and keep working. Perfectionist. *****

Volvo: all the characteristics of the Mercedes except for style and
pleasure. ****

Saab: quirky but good. Overrunning clutch was famous for problems. ****

BMW: muscular, sporty, practical. ****

VW: practical disposa-car with known characteristics of deterioration. Can
be completely rebuilt so no one realizes that none of the original parts are
present. ***

Jaguar: Born dead by the side of the road, infected with "Lucas syndrome"
RUST. 1/2*

MG: pretty as "wrapping paper", and just as durable. Same disease as above.
RUST. 1/2*
Peugot: good car but parts hard to find. ***

Citroen: quirky masterpiece fits French national character. Don't buy one,
because no one will understand either you or how to fix the car. ***

Fiat: Make gesture with hand hitting armpit. *

Toppolino: of interest to movie buffs. **

Yugo: no go (no stars)

Datsun: rust, rust, rust, transmission break, more rust. Cheap thrill
deserves *

Toyota: Drug dealers preference. When you can't afford a breakdown,
go--Toyota. ****

Subaru: rust, rust, rust. Mechanicals are interesting. **


Now all this has changed.
Mercedes is not so good anymore.
Most American cars get *** or ****
I have a Subaru legacy and give it ****

Robert Morein wrote:


"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
.. .

For all my fans:

www.citroen.demon.nl

Do compare img.1 with img.16 :-)

This site is, like the car, always under construction.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

This is how Americans used to view foreign cars.

Mercedes: work and keep working. Perfectionist. *****

Volvo: all the characteristics of the Mercedes except for style and
pleasure. ****

Saab: quirky but good. Overrunning clutch was famous for problems. ****

BMW: muscular, sporty, practical. ****

VW: practical disposa-car with known characteristics of deterioration. Can
be completely rebuilt so no one realizes that none of the original parts are
present. ***

Jaguar: Born dead by the side of the road, infected with "Lucas syndrome"
RUST. 1/2*

MG: pretty as "wrapping paper", and just as durable. Same disease as above.
RUST. 1/2*
Peugot: good car but parts hard to find. ***

One of the first cars I ever owned and drove was a Peugeot 403. I agree
entirely with your rating. Very solid, nice handling automobile, ahead of its
time (for the American market at leat), But rather unusual also: (1) Four speed
shifter on the column. (2) Gas tank opening hidden behind fold down tail light
- leading to great fun at gas stations when I'd say "fill it up" and then wait
for the attendant to go crazy trying to find the gas cap. Sort of like a
Candid Camera bit. As for parts - fuggedabowdit! I once had to replace a
radiator hose - pretty universal for most cars - but not for Peugeots. It had
a wierd shape and took days to find in Boston - lol.



Citroen: quirky masterpiece fits French national character. Don't buy one,
because no one will understand either you or how to fix the car. ***


My first sight of one of these was many years ago, on a snow covered road in
Maine, at my undergraduate college (Bowdoin). The president of the college
owned one, and if I recall, he'd press a button and the car wouild jack itself
up !!!!.
Quite a sight




Fiat: Make gesture with hand hitting armpit. *

Toppolino: of interest to movie buffs. **

Yugo: no go (no stars)

Datsun: rust, rust, rust, transmission break, more rust. Cheap thrill
deserves *

Toyota: Drug dealers preference. When you can't afford a breakdown,
go--Toyota. ****

Subaru: rust, rust, rust. Mechanicals are interesting. **


Now all this has changed.
Mercedes is not so good anymore.
Most American cars get *** or ****
I have a Subaru legacy and give it ****












Bruce J. Richman

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

Volvo: all the characteristics of the Mercedes except for style and
pleasure. ****

**I recall reading a motoring magazine, when they reviewed the Volvo 740
Turbo (ca. 1985). They were impressed with its dynamics, but remarked that:

"The Volvo 740 has the styling panache of a tool shed."

and later:

"The best thing about driving a Volvo 740, is that you're not looking at the
outside. This is one seriously ugly automobile"


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www.rageaudio.com.au

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...

I'm having some trouble with my FTP server, but here's one pic of my
Citroen CX.
http://tinyurl.com/3a4yn

**Nice one Sander. My partner drove two Citroens across Europe. One was a
2200. She loved it. The other was a 2CV. Unfortunately, she accidentally
ended up on an Autobahn one day.....

The slow lane is not slow enough for a 2CV.


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:48:37 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
.. .

I'm having some trouble with my FTP server, but here's one pic of my
Citroen CX.
http://tinyurl.com/3a4yn

**Nice one Sander. My partner drove two Citroens across Europe. One was a
2200. She loved it. The other was a 2CV. Unfortunately, she accidentally
ended up on an Autobahn one day.....

The slow lane is not slow enough for a 2CV.

One of my favorite cars - to look at. I wish I had one for city
driving here in the states.

Lionel wrote:


Bruce J. Richman - - mardi 13
Avril 2004 04:11 wrote:

Robert Morein wrote:


"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...

For all my fans:

www.citroen.demon.nl

Do compare img.1 with img.16 :-)

This site is, like the car, always under construction.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

This is how Americans used to view foreign cars.

Mercedes: work and keep working. Perfectionist. *****

Volvo: all the characteristics of the Mercedes except for style and
pleasure. ****

Saab: quirky but good. Overrunning clutch was famous for problems. ****

BMW: muscular, sporty, practical. ****

On of the funniest car I've ever driven was a 2002ti.

VW: practical disposa-car with known characteristics of deterioration. Can
be completely rebuilt so no one realizes that none of the original parts
are present. ***

Jaguar: Born dead by the side of the road, infected with "Lucas syndrome"
RUST. 1/2*

MG: pretty as "wrapping paper", and just as durable. Same disease as
above. RUST. 1/2*

A gigolo car... )

Peugot: good car but parts hard to find. ***

One of the first cars I ever owned and drove was a Peugeot 403. I agree
entirely with your rating. Very solid, nice handling automobile, ahead of
its time (for the American market at leat), But rather unusual also: (1)
Four speed
shifter on the column. (2) Gas tank opening hidden behind fold down tail
light - leading to great fun at gas stations when I'd say "fill it up" and
then wait
for the attendant to go crazy trying to find the gas cap. Sort of like a
Candid Camera bit. As for parts - fuggedabowdit! I once had to
replace a
radiator hose - pretty universal for most cars - but not for Peugeots. It
had a wierd shape and took days to find in Boston - lol.


May we call you detective Colombo now ? ;-)

Sure. I've been called a lot worse. Columbo was one of my favorite TV shows.
But I wouldn't want to wear that rain coat.


The Peugeot 403 was my family car in the '60s. This car was built as a
panzer.
15 years later I have had one of my stressful driving experience : I have
driven the 403 of a drunk friend during 60 km on a small mountain road
burried in snow...
After such special experience I understood why people in my area used to put
2 ciment bags (100 kg) in the the trunk at the begening of winter.

Citroen: quirky masterpiece fits French national character. Don't buy one,
because no one will understand either you or how to fix the car. ***


Citroen with their hydraulic system cars are fantastic cars for the driver
and his side passenger.
As soon have you leave the highways, it's like if you cast off with a boat.
It's better for your comfort if your that your back seat passenger have had
an extensive sailing experience before...

My first sight of one of these was many years ago, on a snow covered road
in
Maine, at my undergraduate college (Bowdoin). The president of the
college owned one, and if I recall, he'd press a button and the car wouild
jack itself up !!!!.
Quite a sight




Fiat: Make gesture with hand hitting armpit. *

Toppolino: of interest to movie buffs. **

Yugo: no go (no stars)

Datsun: rust, rust, rust, transmission break, more rust. Cheap thrill
deserves *

Toyota: Drug dealers preference. When you can't afford a breakdown,
go--Toyota. ****

Subaru: rust, rust, rust. Mechanicals are interesting. **


Now all this has changed.
Mercedes is not so good anymore.
Most American cars get *** or ****
I have a Subaru legacy and give it ****












Bruce J. Richman










Bruce J. Richman

Lionel said:

I have done the trip Saint-Etienne to Apeldoorn and return in the same car.

Wasn't that a turbo?
Mine isn't, just 140 HP atmospheric and a 3-gang gear.

Seeing the pictures you will deserve your pleasure.
Good luck with her.

Thanks, I'm enjoying every km in it!

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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Robert Morein" said:

This site is, like the car, always under construction.

What, exactly, is wrong with it?
Everything?

Hey, it's a Citroen ........
I'm dragging half a garage with me on my trips :-)

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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Trevor Wilson" said:

**Nice one Sander. My partner drove two Citroens across Europe. One was a
2200. She loved it. The other was a 2CV. Unfortunately, she accidentally
ended up on an Autobahn one day.....

The slow lane is not slow enough for a 2CV.

The "tin snail" as the British so aptly call the Deux, is a danger in
the flesh.
The Deux never appealed to me, I don't like cars that are their own
crash zone.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Robert Morein" said:

This is how Americans used to view foreign cars.

Mercedes: work and keep working. Perfectionist. *****

Here in Holland, only pimps and construction workers drive Mercedes'.
Black windows and 3-spoke alloy wheels.
Oh, and taxis, of course.

Volvo: all the characteristics of the Mercedes except for style and
pleasure. ****

Volvos are for people who can't drive and have to rely on Volvo's
safety measures.
Fun when a Volvo meets a 2CV.

Saab: quirky but good. Overrunning clutch was famous for problems. ****

Saab: a physician's automobile.

BMW: muscular, sporty, practical. ****

What was the saying again? BMW does only trouble you?
BMWs are for young machos with blonde girlfriends.
Hey, my wife's a natural blonde, I don't fit the pattern.

VW: practical disposa-car with known characteristics of deterioration. Can
be completely rebuilt so no one realizes that none of the original parts are
present. ***

Who wants to rebuild a VW?
VWs are considered trademan's cars, and are mostly leased.

Jaguar: Born dead by the side of the road, infected with "Lucas syndrome"
RUST. 1/2*

A Jaguar, ANY Jaguar, is a piece of art.
My second choice in cars after the CX is the XJ-E of the '70s.

MG: pretty as "wrapping paper", and just as durable. Same disease as above.
RUST. 1/2*

MGs are fun as a second (or third) car.
For everyday usage, useless here in Holland with all the traffic jams.
Besides, they need restoration every 20.000 kms :-)

Peugot: good car but parts hard to find. ***

Not overhere.
Peugeots are reliable Citroens.

Citroen: quirky masterpiece fits French national character. Don't buy one,
because no one will understand either you or how to fix the car. ***

Glad I can fix my own.
Citroens, especially the DS and CX, are usually owned by spiritual,
creative people.
Again I'm the exception ;-)

Fiat: Make gesture with hand hitting armpit. *

FIATs don't sell well the last decade, don't know why because their
quality has improved vastly over the years.
And don't forget that FIAT owns Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Lancia and a
couple of other brands.

Toppolino: of interest to movie buffs. **

Is a FIAT, and is very rare even here.

Yugo: no go (no stars)

Almost never seen here.
Rumours go that Austin copied this car in the Metro.
That car certainly was as unreliable as the Yugo.
Ask the Devil if you don't believe me.

Datsun: rust, rust, rust, transmission break, more rust. Cheap thrill
deserves *

Datsun= Nissan, good quality but no looks.
Like most Japanese brands, with the possible exception of Mazda (MX5,
the RX series, Yummie!)

Toyota: Drug dealers preference. When you can't afford a breakdown,
go--Toyota. ****

Lexus = expensive Toyota. Good but no character.

Subaru: rust, rust, rust. Mechanicals are interesting. **

Every Subaru has 4 wheel drive, even the little Justy.
Don't forget the nice WRX (and former 555) turbo boxer.
Very interesting from a technical point of view, but you don't want to
look at it all day.
Also, the interior is made of cheap materials that don't fit well.

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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

In article ,
Sander deWaal wrote:

Volvos are for people who can't drive and have to rely on Volvo's
safety measures.

I saw a similar view of Volvos in an Australian group. It's odd that
"safety" is equated with lack of driving ability, although it is true
that Americans think SUVs are safe despite the lack of roadfeel and
maneuverability.

My 240 is agile enough, and my old 140 doesn't go fast enough for it to
matter.

Stephen

Lionel said:

Yes it was a turbo one.
I guess that the engine was a 2 liters, and your one is a 2.5.

The Turbo comes in two flavors, the Turbo 1 and, obviously, the Turbo
2.
The main fifference is that the 2 has an intercooler.
The Turbo engines are based on the 2,5 litre models.
A turbo 2 in good condition is capable of 230 km/h........WOW!!!

I just remember the long straight parts of highway between Metz and Dijon. I
think I wouldn't be able to do that again.

That age thing again? :-)

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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:27:24 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

Lionel said:

Yes it was a turbo one.
I guess that the engine was a 2 liters, and your one is a 2.5.

The Turbo comes in two flavors, the Turbo 1 and, obviously, the Turbo
2.
The main fifference is that the 2 has an intercooler.
The Turbo engines are based on the 2,5 litre models.
A turbo 2 in good condition is capable of 230 km/h........WOW!!!

I just remember the long straight parts of highway between Metz and Dijon. I
think I wouldn't be able to do that again.

That age thing again? :-)

A couple of years ago, I made the Muenchen to Amsterdam trip in 12
hours. (I got caught in traffic). I did it in an Audi A2. It was a
grind.

Just in the last two weeks, I've done Nashville to Memphis/Oxford, MS
3 times (from Monday to Sunday last week). That's 1600 miles (twice
was to Oxford and once to Memphis). On Friday, I make the trip one
more time. But it's only to Memphis, which is only 200 miles, not 300.
But that means I hit 2000 miles. Cool. I'll admit that I was a bi
burned out midweek, with two back-to-back trips a day apart...

I've definitely spent some miles on the road over the years. In my
time as sales rep in Germany, I put on about 100,000 km of quality
autobahn time. Most of it was in a 2.0 ltr. Omega, which was pretty
comfortable. I once made Heidelburg to Bremerhaven in a little over 3
hours. That's 650 km, if I remember correctly. The last weekend of the
summer factory vacations in August, I made the same trip in about 10
hours. It was back to back cars from Frankfurt all the way to Hanover.
Sucked.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:02:07 -0500, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

Cool. I'll admit that I was a bi
burned out midweek, with two back-to-back trips a day apart...

Freudian slip?

chuckle

Lionel said:

I lived on the Saturday morning after a closing night with a lot of
"genievre" ;-) I don't remember the Dutch name for it...

Jenever, but the pronunciation is correct.

I remember a "race" with a 911 from Swizzerland. Typically the thing that
I'm not sure to be able to reproduce again.

I'd guess the CX would lose this race.
The Porsche driver would be exhausted afterwards though, while the CX
driver could easily do another Europe roundtrip :-)

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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

dave weil said:

A couple of years ago, I made the Muenchen to Amsterdam trip in 12
hours. (I got caught in traffic). I did it in an Audi A2. It was a
grind.

Don't you mean Audi A3 or A4?
The A2 is about the size of a Matchbox :-)

Just in the last two weeks, I've done Nashville to Memphis/Oxford, MS
3 times (from Monday to Sunday last week). That's 1600 miles (twice
was to Oxford and once to Memphis). On Friday, I make the trip one
more time. But it's only to Memphis, which is only 200 miles, not 300.
But that means I hit 2000 miles. Cool. I'll admit that I was a bi
burned out midweek, with two back-to-back trips a day apart...

What car are you driving now?
I once drove from Netherlands to the south of France non-stop in a CX.
I stepped out of the car just as relaxed as I got in.
Later, I've done the same in an Opel Vectra (small Omega), had to stop
3 times and got a terrible backache.


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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:57:45 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

dave weil said:

A couple of years ago, I made the Muenchen to Amsterdam trip in 12
hours. (I got caught in traffic). I did it in an Audi A2. It was a
grind.

Don't you mean Audi A3 or A4?
The A2 is about the size of a Matchbox :-)

It probably *was* the A3 come to think of it. It was small though.
About the size of a Fiesta, but much better built.

Just in the last two weeks, I've done Nashville to Memphis/Oxford, MS
3 times (from Monday to Sunday last week). That's 1600 miles (twice
was to Oxford and once to Memphis). On Friday, I make the trip one
more time. But it's only to Memphis, which is only 200 miles, not 300.
But that means I hit 2000 miles. Cool. I'll admit that I was a bi
burned out midweek, with two back-to-back trips a day apart...

What car are you driving now?

Actually I rented because I hit a curb recently and bent my rim. I
still drive it inside the city though. I have a Ford ZX2 (which has
the 125 hp ZETEC motor). It's basically an Escort. The car I rented
was a Dodge Noen. Boring POS car. But cheap.

I once drove from Netherlands to the south of France non-stop in a CX.
I stepped out of the car just as relaxed as I got in.
Later, I've done the same in an Opel Vectra (small Omega), had to stop
3 times and got a terrible backache.

The Omega was quite comfortable for me. It would have been *more*
comfortable if it had been the Lotus version though g.

I was surprised at the pep that the 2.0 L had though. The car is
pretty good size after all.

Jaguar: Born dead by the side of the road, infected with "Lucas
syndrome"
RUST. 1/2*

More so now an american company (ford) own them.




I have a Subaru legacy and give it ****

most likely because Japanese cars are now in "fashion" so it is okay
to conform with everyone else and own one without fear of appearing
different.

NB: stick to poloitics or hi-fi. (you know about them)

The Artist said:

A turbo 2 in good condition is capable of 230 km/h........WOW!!!

Yes... but can it do this..?

http://home.clara.net/media/

;-)

Nope. Driving the wrong side of the road is considered dangerous
overhere.


*grin*


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Vacuum Audio Consultancy

The Artist said:

Nope. Driving the wrong side of the road is considered dangerous
overhere.

*grin*

Well hmmm... only on the wrong side for 50% of the time :-)

Depends on where you're from, hmmm? :-))))))

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Vacuum Audio Consultancy