[George M. Middius]

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071700412.html


I believe that every time the word "science" is mentioned, Dumbya's eyes
glaze over, and he asks Rove what the best political move is.


--
A day without Krooger is like a day without radiation poisoning.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

George M. Middius wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

Translation: he knows who writes his paycheck.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071700412.html

I believe that every time the word "science" is mentioned, Dumbya's eyes
glaze over, and he asks Rove what the best political move is.

"Sen. Tom Harkin (Iowa) expressed amazement that Bush has chosen the
stem cell bill for his first veto, given polling showing that
*Americans overwhelmingly support the research*."

So much for representative government.

New bumper sticker: WWTTD? (What Would The Taliban Do?)

[ScottW]

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
George M. Middius wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

Translation: he knows who writes his paycheck.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071700412.html

I believe that every time the word "science" is mentioned, Dumbya's eyes
glaze over, and he asks Rove what the best political move is.

"Sen. Tom Harkin (Iowa) expressed amazement that Bush has chosen the
stem cell bill for his first veto, given polling showing that
*Americans overwhelmingly support the research*."

While I don't agree with Bush on the subject... I'm also sure that I
want
a president who won't bends to the latest polls.



So much for representative government.

This is a republic and how it works. Polls flutter about like the
breeze.


New bumper sticker: WWTTD? (What Would The Taliban Do?)

Outlaw In vitro fertilization.

ScottW

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

ScottW wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
George M. Middius wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

Translation: he knows who writes his paycheck.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071700412.html

I believe that every time the word "science" is mentioned, Dumbya's eyes
glaze over, and he asks Rove what the best political move is.

"Sen. Tom Harkin (Iowa) expressed amazement that Bush has chosen the
stem cell bill for his first veto, given polling showing that
*Americans overwhelmingly support the research*."

While I don't agree with Bush on the subject... I'm also sure that I
want a president who won't bends to the latest polls.

That is a ridiculous statement. The House and Senate passed a bill
based on what their constituents clearly want, hearing two days of
testimony *and* what is good for the majority of the nation. This veto
is simply pandering to bushie's base of Konservative Kindergarten
Kristians.

Of course, you are now also arguing against voting on a ban on gay
marriage. You can't have it both ways. Either this government
represents a majority or it doesn't.

So much for representative government.

This is a republic and how it works. Polls flutter about like the
breeze.

It is a *representative* republic. This is *not* how it works.

So is this the 'logic' that you would use if bushie, say, tries to
overturn Roe v. Wade? The majority of US citizens are in favor of
reproductive rights, too.

This is *exactly* why there's a seperation of church and state.

New bumper sticker: WWTTD? (What Would The Taliban Do?)

Outlaw In vitro fertilization.

Outlaw science is I'm sure what you meant to say.

[ScottW]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...

ScottW wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
George M. Middius wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

Translation: he knows who writes his paycheck.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071700412.html

I believe that every time the word "science" is mentioned, Dumbya's
eyes
glaze over, and he asks Rove what the best political move is.

"Sen. Tom Harkin (Iowa) expressed amazement that Bush has chosen the
stem cell bill for his first veto, given polling showing that
*Americans overwhelmingly support the research*."

While I don't agree with Bush on the subject... I'm also sure that I
want a president who won't bends to the latest polls.

That is a ridiculous statement. The House and Senate passed a bill
based on what their constituents clearly want, hearing two days of
testimony *and* what is good for the majority of the nation. This veto
is simply pandering to bushie's base of Konservative Kindergarten
Kristians.

Nope...if you paid attention Bush has said from the beginning
that he can't accept research stemming from embryos.
His compromise was to allow the existing lines of cells.
He simply is standing by his principles.


Of course, you are now also arguing against voting on a ban on gay
marriage.

I am? AFAICT... when left to voters or legislatures ...
gay marriage loses. Thats fine with me.
If a governor vetoes... well there is always the override.
I'm not big on an amendment but I can see the
issue of states having different views on marriage
can create issues but I see no easy way around that.

You can't have it both ways. Either this government
represents a majority or it doesn't.

Tell it to the Ca legislature on Megans law or
the US Senate on border enforcement.


So much for representative government.

This is a republic and how it works. Polls flutter about like the
breeze.

It is a *representative* republic. This is *not* how it works.

So is this the 'logic' that you would use if bushie, say, tries to
overturn Roe v. Wade?
The majority of US citizens are in favor of
reproductive rights, too.

How could he do that? Congress passes the laws.
Bush can only veto.

This is *exactly* why there's a seperation of church and state.

New bumper sticker: WWTTD? (What Would The Taliban Do?)

Outlaw In vitro fertilization.

Outlaw science is I'm sure what you meant to say.

and stone the scientists...at least the female ones.

ScottW

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

ScottW wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message

Nope...if you paid attention Bush has said from the beginning
that he can't accept research stemming from embryos.
His compromise was to allow the existing lines of cells.
He simply is standing by his principles.

The 11 lines that are supposedly viable, yet have been exposed to mouse
feeder cells and cannot, therefore, be transplanted into humans (as
opposed to the 64 lines usable bushie claimed in his 'compromise')?

Throwing out extra embyos that are already at fertility clinics, but
not needed any longer for fertilization, makes more sense to bushie
than using them for research?

bushie has broken logic and incorrect facts and has (surprise!) been
disengenuous. It's interesting to me that you'd rather have him 'stick
to his guns' under these circumstances than change his mind.

Tell it to the Ca legislature on Megans law or
the US Senate on border enforcement.

A majority support federal funding of stem cell research. That will not
happen if bushie vetoes. bushie's 'compromise' was deceptive bull****
at its worst.

A majority want immigration reform. Immigration reform will happen.

If you are referring to the 60% or so who say they favor the House
version, I suspect how the question is formed would make a difference.

I'd like to see this question asked to the 60%: "Do you think that all
11-13 million illegal immigrants should be identified, rounded up and
shipped off to their home country, even though this will take years of
massive manpower effort and will take law enforcement effort and
support away from other vital issues like countering terrorism, and
since it will all be at our expense, cost billions and billions of
dollars, or would you support instead an identified and logical path to
citizenship since most of these individuals are already working in the
US and contributing to our economy as well as to the tax base?"

I wonder if that number supporting the House version would still be
60%.

I have no idea about what California-centric issue that Megan's law
created there. I do notice, however, that California does have a
Megan's law. Was it that most residents did not want to be informed
about sex offenders?

The point is that there are *no* good reasons for this veto as far as
the good of the nation is concerned. Our research scientists are
bailing out to England and other places to conduct this research.
bushie has deliberately lied, concealed the truth, used incorrect facts
and faulty logic. For him to *not* change his mind is wrong.

But it *is* bushie...

So is this the 'logic' that you would use if bushie, say, tries to
overturn Roe v. Wade?
The majority of US citizens are in favor of
reproductive rights, too.

How could he do that? Congress passes the laws.
Bush can only veto.

By declaring that embyos cannot be used for research because life
begins at conception.

That's exactly what this stem cell funding ban is all about, you know.
It's yet another hidden attack on Roe v. Wade. Chip away, and soon it's
gone (assuming you can stack the Supreme Court and have a majority).

Uh oh...

This is *exactly* why there's a seperation of church and state.

New bumper sticker: WWTTD? (What Would The Taliban Do?)

Outlaw In vitro fertilization.

Outlaw science is I'm sure what you meant to say.

and stone the scientists...at least the female ones.

Which has nothing to do with bushie's Taliban-like anti-science stance.

[Jenn]

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...AR200607170041
2.html

He's so wrong on this, IMO.

[dizzy]

Jenn wrote:

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...AR200607170041
2.html

He's so wrong on this, IMO.

Has he been right about anything?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

dizzy wrote:
Jenn wrote:

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...AR200607170041
2.html

He's so wrong on this, IMO.

Has he been right about anything?

I do not know *everything* that bushie has done. I can say that he has
done *nothing* right (that I'm aware of).

[paul packer]

On 18 Jul 2006 22:56:16 -0700, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:


dizzy wrote:
Jenn wrote:

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...AR200607170041
2.html

He's so wrong on this, IMO.

Has he been right about anything?

I do not know *everything* that bushie has done. I can say that he has
done *nothing* right (that I'm aware of).

That's quite a feat. Has anyone called Guinness Book of Records?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

paul packer wrote:
On 18 Jul 2006 22:56:16 -0700, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:


dizzy wrote:
Jenn wrote:

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Today Dumbya declared, again, that religious dogma and mindless
superstition are more important to him than science, and specifically
medical science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...AR200607170041
2.html

He's so wrong on this, IMO.

Has he been right about anything?

I do not know *everything* that bushie has done. I can say that he has
done *nothing* right (that I'm aware of).

That's quite a feat. Has anyone called Guinness Book of Records?

Who else would you suppose is there under "Worst US President"?