pyjamarama wrote:

March 28, 2004 -- A group of New York families of 9/11 victims came
out swinging against Richard Clarke yesterday, accusing the former
White House anti-terror chief of cashing in on the tragedy with his
explosive book.
In a scathing open letter, the furious families also ripped Clarke for
releasing the controversial tome to coincide with his appearance
before the 9/11 commission on Wednesday.

Think of Clarke what you wish, PJ. But even you must admit
there's nothing in the text below that repudiates any of his
charges. Whatever Clarke's motivations, the best any of his
adversaries has been able to do is discredit the messenger.
One can gauge the seriousness of the blow to the Bushies by
the disproportionate amount of spin, smear, and damage
control in response. Only this time it's backfiring: each
counterstrike seems to have the opposite of the intended
effect. I can understand why you're squealing in horror.
This is a real ****ing nightmare for you and your ilk. Don't
worry, though -- there will be more bombshells in the coming
months. With a little luck we might even see some subpoenas,
some indictments, some censures, and maybe even some real
punishments meted out (although I doubt the latter).

Your beloved neocon goons have done some pretty horrible
things. Besides sitting around with their collective thumb
up their rich, fat ass while a terror-storm gathered, they
also trumped up a case for war. Whether you agree with the
ends matters not one iota.




"It was very disturbing to learn that Mr. Clarke would be releasing
his book immediately before his scheduled public testimony before the
9/11 commission," they said in their emotional "Open Letter to
America."

"The notion of [Clarke] profiteering from anything associated with
9/11 is particularly offensive to all of us."

In "Against All Enemies," Clarke accuses President Bush of not doing
enough to thwart the terror strikes on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon.

The fuming families said Clarke's motivations are also political and
called the book - which has become an overnight best seller - divisive
and mean-spirited.

"We find Mr. Clarke's actions all the more offensive especially
considering the fact that there was always a high possibility that the
9/11 commission could be used for political gain . . . with the
presidential election less than eight months away," they wrote.



"Surely, Mr. Clarke knew this. Yet, he decided to risk the actual and
perceived impartiality of this important process to maximize book
sales," they added.

"We believe it inappropriate for [him] to profit from and politicize
9/11 and further divide America by his testimony before the 9/11
commission."

Retired FDNY firefighter Jim Boyle, who lent his name to the letter,
ripped into Clarke, who served as a counterterrorism adviser to the
past four presidents.

"Richard Clarke is doing all of this to sell his book," said Boyle,
whose Bravest son, Michael Boyle, died in the WTC. "What he's doing
isn't right. He's trying to make money off our pain. This was all
orchestrated to benefit him," Boyle told The Post.

Retired FDNY Capt. John Vigiano Sr. said he's "incensed" with Clarke.

"He's all about promoting his book, plain and simple," said Vigiano
Sr., whose sons John, a firefighter, and Joseph, a police officer,
died in the WTC attacks.

"It's all about greed. He shouldn't be doing this. He's showing a lack
of loyalty to the president. It's awful."

The blistering letter, signed by more than 36 people who lost loved
ones in the WTC, came a day after the Senate's top Republican, Bill
Frist, accused Clark of an "appalling act of profiteering."

Meanwhile, a Newsweek poll released yesterday found that 65 percent of
Americans say Clarke's testimony hasn't affected their opinion of the
president.

Fifty percent of those polled said they believe Clarke is motivated by
personal and political reasons.

Clarke, who retired early last year after 30 years in government
service, has said he provided dire warnings to the Bush White House in
the months leading up to 9/11 but that little was done.

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...
pyjamarama wrote:

March 28, 2004 -- A group of New York families of 9/11 victims came
out swinging against Richard Clarke yesterday, accusing the former
White House anti-terror chief of cashing in on the tragedy with his
explosive book.
In a scathing open letter, the furious families also ripped Clarke for
releasing the controversial tome to coincide with his appearance
before the 9/11 commission on Wednesday.

Your beloved neocon goons have done some pretty horrible
things. Besides sitting around with their collective thumb
up their rich, fat ass while a terror-storm gathered, they
also trumped up a case for war. Whether you agree with the
ends matters not one iota.

Too bad we can't crank up the what if time machine
and hear what Kerry would have said to a proposal to
invade Afghanistan before 9/11.
All the other Clinton administration testimonials
said they couldn't take more decisive action in
a pre 9/11 environment.

If Bush sat on his thumbs for 8 months, how do you
characterize the Clinton years?
Sitting on the cruise missile button?

ScottW

To all the neocon warmongers on this forum: ScottW, Arny Krueger, PJ,
McKelvy, et al:

Your phenomenal arguments, that are as eloquent as they are erudite, have
convinced me that my own moderate political inclinations are completely
incorrect in this bleak landscape that we call a 'post-9/11 world'.

Though I may not agree with you on certain issues - I believe evolution is a
fact and should be taught in schools, and I do not think that inter-racial
marriage is a sin - I am beginning to concur on the tangible issues of
equality, fraternity and liberty.


"ScottW" wrote in message

If Bush sat on his thumbs for 8 months, how do you
characterize the Clinton years?
Sitting on the cruise missile button?


Don Evans, the Commerce Secretary and former Bush campaign manager, told Tim
Russert that he believes that "God put George Bush in the White House" to
lead America through this "dark, trying period".

I mean, if it is Divine Intervention that we are talking about over here,
then who are we to argue?

There is no doubt about it. Bush is like a shining light, a beacon that will
lead humanity to salvation. He will save us from ourselves.

He's not only the president (who vowed that the tax cuts would be repealed
over "his dead body"), Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world. He's
the harbinger of hope, peace, liberty and democracy. He is wrong about one
thing, though. Freedom is not America's gift to the world, nor God's gift to
humanity. It is His gift to us.

I say let's fire Jesus. We have found the new Messiah. And he has delivered
us from the evils of "those who spread terror" and "those who raise taxes".
Hail to the king!

PS - An interesting footnote, this appeared in the Onion on 18 January 2001:

Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years
of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a
televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and
prosperity is finally over."

Schizoid Man wrote:


To all the neocon warmongers on this forum: ScottW, Arny Krueger, PJ,
McKelvy, et al:

Your phenomenal arguments, that are as eloquent as they are erudite, have
convinced me that my own moderate political inclinations are completely
incorrect in this bleak landscape that we call a 'post-9/11 world'.

Though I may not agree with you on certain issues - I believe evolution is a
fact and should be taught in schools, and I do not think that inter-racial
marriage is a sin - I am beginning to concur on the tangible issues of
equality, fraternity and liberty.


"ScottW" wrote in message

If Bush sat on his thumbs for 8 months, how do you
characterize the Clinton years?
Sitting on the cruise missile button?


Don Evans, the Commerce Secretary and former Bush campaign manager, told Tim
Russert that he believes that "God put George Bush in the White House" to
lead America through this "dark, trying period".

I mean, if it is Divine Intervention that we are talking about over here,
then who are we to argue?

There is no doubt about it. Bush is like a shining light, a beacon that will
lead humanity to salvation. He will save us from ourselves.

He's not only the president (who vowed that the tax cuts would be repealed
over "his dead body"), Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world. He's
the harbinger of hope, peace, liberty and democracy. He is wrong about one
thing, though. Freedom is not America's gift to the world, nor God's gift to
humanity. It is His gift to us.

I say let's fire Jesus. We have found the new Messiah. And he has delivered
us from the evils of "those who spread terror" and "those who raise taxes".
Hail to the king!

PS - An interesting footnote, this appeared in the Onion on 18 January 2001:

Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years
of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a
televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and
prosperity is finally over."









As can be seen on frequent little excerpts on the David Letterman show, dubya's
brilliance shines like a 10 watt beacon of .............. what did he say?



Bruce J. Richman

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in
:

our long national nightmare of peace...

Bush never said that.


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Rich Andrews wrote:


(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in
:

our long national nightmare of peace...

Bush never said that.


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.










You've made a serious error in attaching my name to the post above. It was not
written by me. The next time you chose to contradict something, you need to
take the time to see who actually wrote it.


Bruce J. Richman

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in
:

Rich Andrews wrote:


(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in
:

our long national nightmare of peace...

Bush never said that.


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.










You've made a serious error in attaching my name to the post above. It
was not
written by me. The next time you chose to contradict something, you
need to
take the time to see who actually wrote it.


Bruce J. Richman




Bruce,

It was not intentional, I assure you.
My apologies none the less.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Rich Andrews." wrote in message

You've made a serious error in attaching my name to the post above. It
was not
written by me. The next time you chose to contradict something, you
need to
take the time to see who actually wrote it.

Bruce J. Richman


Bruce,

It was not intentional, I assure you.
My apologies none the less.

r

Rich,

You're right he didn't say it. It is satire, ironic satire at that.

The Onion (www.theonion.com) is a satirical newspaper. You really didn't
know that?

Rich Andrews wrote:

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in
:

Rich Andrews wrote:


(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in
:

our long national nightmare of peace...

Bush never said that.


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.










You've made a serious error in attaching my name to the post above. It
was not
written by me. The next time you chose to contradict something, you
need to
take the time to see who actually wrote it.


Bruce J. Richman




Bruce,

It was not intentional, I assure you.
My apologies none the less.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.









Thanks, Rich.



Bruce J. Richman

"Schizoid Man" wrote in news:WGtac.4449$Ak.3806
@fe1.texas.rr.com:


"Rich Andrews." wrote in message

You've made a serious error in attaching my name to the post above.
It
was not
written by me. The next time you chose to contradict something, you
need to
take the time to see who actually wrote it.

Bruce J. Richman


Bruce,

It was not intentional, I assure you.
My apologies none the less.

r

Rich,

You're right he didn't say it. It is satire, ironic satire at that.

The Onion (www.theonion.com) is a satirical newspaper. You really didn't
know that?



Knew it quite well and for many moons.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

From: "Schizoid Man"

To all the neocon warmongers on this forum: ScottW, Arny Krueger, PJ,
McKelvy, et al:

IOncluding me as a neocon makes you, what's the word? Oh yeah, wrong.

Your phenomenal arguments, that are as eloquent as they are erudite, have
convinced me that my own moderate political inclinations are completely
incorrect in this bleak landscape that we call a 'post-9/11 world'.

Though I may not agree with you on certain issues - I believe evolution is a
fact and should be taught in schools, and I do not think that inter-racial
marriage is a sin - I am beginning to concur on the tangible issues of
equality, fraternity and liberty.


And who on the above list has said otherwise?

Don Evans, the Commerce Secretary and former Bush campaign manager, told Tim
Russert that he believes that "God put George Bush in the White House" to
lead America through this "dark, trying period".


An opinon he gets to have.


I mean, if it is Divine Intervention that we are talking about over here,
then who are we to argue?

People who are free.

There is no doubt about it. Bush is like a shining light, a beacon that will
lead humanity to salvation. He will save us from ourselves.

If only that were true, but first we'd ahve to kill all but one of the
liberals. We'd need one to show how stupid they were.

Freedom is not America's gift to the world, nor God's gift to
humanity. It is His gift to us.

Actually, it's a necessity for human existence.

Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years
of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a
televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and
prosperity is finally over."


You do understand that the onion is satire, don't don't you?

I didn't think so.

"Mikermckelvy" wrote in message
From: "Schizoid Man"

To all the neocon warmongers on this forum: ScottW, Arny Krueger, PJ,
McKelvy, et al:

IOncluding me as a neocon makes you, what's the word? Oh yeah, wrong.

Your phenomenal arguments, that are as eloquent as they are erudite, have
convinced me that my own moderate political inclinations are completely
incorrect in this bleak landscape that we call a 'post-9/11 world'.

Though I may not agree with you on certain issues - I believe evolution
is a
fact and should be taught in schools, and I do not think that
inter-racial
marriage is a sin - I am beginning to concur on the tangible issues of
equality, fraternity and liberty.


And who on the above list has said otherwise?

Don Evans, the Commerce Secretary and former Bush campaign manager, told
Tim
Russert that he believes that "God put George Bush in the White House" to
lead America through this "dark, trying period".


An opinon he gets to have.


I mean, if it is Divine Intervention that we are talking about over here,
then who are we to argue?

People who are free.

There is no doubt about it. Bush is like a shining light, a beacon that
will
lead humanity to salvation. He will save us from ourselves.

If only that were true, but first we'd ahve to kill all but one of the
liberals. We'd need one to show how stupid they were.

Freedom is not America's gift to the world, nor God's gift to
humanity. It is His gift to us.

Actually, it's a necessity for human existence.

Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight
years
of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a
televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and
prosperity is finally over."


You do understand that the onion is satire, don't don't you?

I didn't think so.


So is my above rant about Bush being the Messiah. Hmmm... I didn't think so.

Let's see if you can absorb this one small idea:

You support democracy - i.e. the freedom of people's moviements and
thoughts - but yet espouse the killing "of all liberals" (I presume this
also includes women and children). How exactly will this foster democracy,
if there is only one way of thinking?

I don't think Harry Browne has ever caused of the extermination of liberals.

On another note, what are you going to say next? That Nazis were men of
character who were just following orders?

Stop lying, McKelvy. Own up that you're not a liberatarian, but just an
ideological conservative who wants freedom of speech for all, as long as its
conservative speech.

So is my above rant about Bush being the Messiah.

It is supposed to be satire.


Let's see if you can absorb this one small idea:

You support democracy - i.e. the freedom of people's movements and
thoughts - yet espouse the killing "of all liberals" (I presume this
also includes women and children).

How exactly will this - the creation of only one way of thinking - foster
democracy and freedom?

I don't think Harry Browne ever called of the extermination of liberals.

Are you really a libertarian, McKelvy? I think you're just an ideological
conservative who wants freedom of speech for all, as long as its
conservative speech.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

So is my above rant about Bush being the Messiah.

It is supposed to be satire.


Let's see if you can absorb this one small idea:

You support democracy - i.e. the freedom of people's movements and
thoughts - yet espouse the killing "of all liberals" (I presume this
also includes women and children).

How exactly will this - the creation of only one way of thinking - foster
democracy and freedom?

I don't think Harry Browne ever called of the extermination of liberals.

Are you really a libertarian, McKelvy? I think you're just an ideological
conservative who wants freedom of speech for all, as long as its
conservative speech.


I got bad allergies today and my medication is making me woozy. Sorry for
all the grammatical errors.

From: "Schizoid Man"

"Mikermckelvy" wrote in message
From: "Schizoid Man"

To all the neocon warmongers on this forum: ScottW, Arny Krueger, PJ,
McKelvy, et al:

IOncluding me as a neocon makes you, what's the word? Oh yeah, wrong.

Your phenomenal arguments, that are as eloquent as they are erudite, have
convinced me that my own moderate political inclinations are completely
incorrect in this bleak landscape that we call a 'post-9/11 world'.

Though I may not agree with you on certain issues - I believe evolution
is a
fact and should be taught in schools, and I do not think that
inter-racial
marriage is a sin - I am beginning to concur on the tangible issues of
equality, fraternity and liberty.


And who on the above list has said otherwise?

Don Evans, the Commerce Secretary and former Bush campaign manager, told
Tim
Russert that he believes that "God put George Bush in the White House" to
lead America through this "dark, trying period".


An opinon he gets to have.


I mean, if it is Divine Intervention that we are talking about over here,
then who are we to argue?

People who are free.

There is no doubt about it. Bush is like a shining light, a beacon that
will
lead humanity to salvation. He will save us from ourselves.

If only that were true, but first we'd ahve to kill all but one of the
liberals. We'd need one to show how stupid they were.

Freedom is not America's gift to the world, nor God's gift to
humanity. It is His gift to us.

Actually, it's a necessity for human existence.

Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight
years
of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a
televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and
prosperity is finally over."


You do understand that the onion is satire, don't don't you?

I didn't think so.


So is my above rant about Bush being the Messiah. Hmmm... I didn't think so.

Let's see if you can absorb this one small idea:

You support democracy - i.e. the freedom of people's moviements and
thoughts - but yet espouse the killing "of all liberals"

Now who's not able to recognize satire?

(I presume this
also includes women and children). How exactly will this foster democracy,
if there is only one way of thinking?

I don't think Harry Browne has ever caused of the extermination of liberals.

On another note, what are you going to say next? That Nazis were men of
character who were just following orders?

No, they were murderers.

Stop lying, McKelvy. Own up that you're not a liberatarian, but just an
ideological conservative who wants freedom of speech for all, as long as its
conservative speech.


That would be a lie. I find the conservatives brand of evil to still be evil
just a different kind.

From: "Schizoid Man"

So is my above rant about Bush being the Messiah.

It is supposed to be satire.

No ****.

Let's see if you can absorb this one small idea:


You support democracy - i.e. the freedom of people's movements and
thoughts - yet espouse the killing "of all liberals" (I presume this
also includes women and children).

Satire again going unrecognized.

How exactly will this - the creation of only one way of thinking - foster
democracy and freedom?

You think Libertaians are all thionking alike?

I don't think Harry Browne ever called of the extermination of liberals.

Nor did I in seriousness.

Are you really a libertarian, McKelvy?

I am registerd as one. Actually I'm an objectivist, the Libertarian party is
the closest to my beliefs.



I think you're just an ideological
conservative who wants freedom of speech for all, as long as its
conservative speech.


Bzzzzt! Thanks for playing.

From: "Schizoid Man"

I got bad allergies today and my medication is making me woozy. Sorry for
all the grammatical errors.


I'm absolutely the last person on earth that you should apologize to for that.

"Mikermckelvy" wrote in message

From: "Schizoid Man"

So is my above rant about Bush being the Messiah.

It is supposed to be satire.

No ****.

Let's see if you can absorb this one small idea:


You support democracy - i.e. the freedom of people's movements and
thoughts - yet espouse the killing "of all liberals" (I presume this
also includes women and children).

Satire again going unrecognized.

Ditto.