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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim,
you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Well aren't we a pompous, self-inflated audiophile? Eric |
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bluezfolk said: Well aren't we a pompous, self-inflated audiophile? Are you aware that Rochelin once sold his house in order to buy a $100K amplifier? -- A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic. |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute This reminisces the "art vs. money" debate. Look, audio has from the very beginning been very commercial. My personal opinion is that Mr. Rochlin's obvious, and not criminal, desire to make money is a tolerable tradeoff for what he provides the community. Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten after Kerouac, Burroughs, or Jackson Pollock? |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Robert said: Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten Just don't call the Krooborg a magnificent ******* or read Ferstler's books. -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
"Andre Jute" wrote:
Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and --snip-- Of course, you had to crosspost an attack on one guy to five newsgroups... The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Andre, Didn't you start this crap thread over at rec.audio.uk (or was it rec.audio.tubes) ? Who cares in any case. So the OP probably didn't put COMM: in the post header. Haven't you learnt to ignore this? |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R.Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:45:47 +1000, Robert Morein
wrote: In article , "The Repair Guy" wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and --snip-- Of course, you had to crosspost an attack on one guy to five newsgroups... The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com Sorry guys, forgery. Bob Morein Now which Bob Morein is this? The real one or the one who sometimes posts, "Sorry guys, forgery."? :-) |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
bluezfolk wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Well aren't we a pompous, self-inflated audiophile? Good God, yes! That sales hack Rochlin, who lives on what advertisers pay him to "review" their crap favourably so they can push it onto fashion victims, ponces around pontificating about other matters like he's some kind of a guru. He isn't, he is a paper hanger for advertisers. It is a disgusting hypocrisy for Steven Rochlin to claim to help audiophiles when all he does is lead them like lambs to the slaughter. I knew Rochlin on the net before he became so self-important. He was useless on electronics and audio then, he is useless almost fifteen years later. He's the sort of climber who once advised people not to wear a Rolex too often to protect the resale value. Eric Welcome to the morality debate, Eric. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
soundhaspriority wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute This reminisces the "art vs. money" debate. Eh? I can understand that a logger might object. But you're mistaken if you think my objection to Rochlin and his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff is on the grounds of art or even journalism, though it is wretched journalism, mere paperhanging for advertising, pandering to manufacturers too cheap to afford real advertising. Nah, here I speak as a DIYer and on grounds of morality. Look, audio has from the very beginning been very commercial. Absolutely no objection. On my home base, RAT, most of the actually useful guys have some commercial interest in electronics or directly in audio. Without their knowledge, the newsgroup would fall down. But Rochlin doesn't fit that definition. He is a know-nothing. If he didn't make a buck leading audiophile fashion victims to the slaughter, he'd make a buck leading jeans-snobs or watch-snobs to the slaughter. Rochlin is an ignorant shill. My personal opinion is that Mr. Rochlin's obvious, and not criminal, desire to make money is a tolerable tradeoff for what he provides the community. The question is what does he provide to the community. My opinion is clear enough above: nothing for the community, dollars in Rochlin's pocket for Rochlin. Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten after Kerouac, Burroughs, or Jackson Pollock? Please God, no! Your very suggestion tells us that you don't know anything at all about these people. I'm sure that even Rochlin, whom I dislike intensely for his basic dishonesty, his uselessness, for being a parasite, bathes more often than that trio of scroungers and liars. But there is a difference between Rochlin and that trio: they had talent; Rochlin's only "talent" is quivering like a puppy-dog to be loved so that we will give him tidbits off our table. Rochlin is not "an audio entrepreneur". He is a publicity flack, a paper hanger for advertiser, grubbing trash. It is an impertinence for Rochlin to claim that his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff "helps audiophiles". It helps no one except Steven R. Rochlin, who next week will be pushing different crap while the innocent is stuck with the crap he equally willy-nilly pushed last week. Check out who advertises on Rochlin's site. Then check out who gets the best reviews and the constant mentions. Draw a conclusion. I have. See above. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
George M. Middius wrote: Robert said: Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten Just don't call the Krooborg a magnificent ******* or read Ferstler's books. -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. Mmm. As a matter of perspective George -- and much as I hate to say a single kind word about an immoral slimeball like Krueger -- there is a difference between Krueger and Rochlin. Krueger can be viewed -- and no doubt will view himself in the clarity of the moment before death -- as an overly fanatical pusher of the narrowest knife-edge of science misapplied. It is not an uncommon thing for cranks to do, though most of them are not as vicious as Krueger. Rochlin of the Enjoythemusic.com ripoff doesn't even have the excuse of a strong conviction, unless it is the strong conviction that the rest of us exist only as a trough for Rochlin to dip his snout into at feeding time, which for Rochlin is all the time. Rochlin's basic immorality is greed, then more greed, then ignorance of what a proper review sheet does, then some more greed, then the dishonesty of giving manufacturers the reviews they pay for. Krueger was just badly brought up and poorly educated but Rochlin is mercernary trash. I leave it to decide which is worse. Andre Jute Habit is the nursery of errors. -- Victor Hugo |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
The Repair Guy wrote: You still calling yourself "The Repair Guy"? Does that mean you have learned to solder? Or are you like that clown Witless Wiecky who used to hang around RAT calling himself "a repair hack" until we discovered the only repair he ever perpetrated was to clean the dust out of someone's amp with compressed air. That's worse than calling yourself "The Repair Guy" because your momma said you could. "Andre Jute" wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and --snip-- Of course, you had to crosspost an attack on one guy to five newsgroups... Of course I did. When we put down a ripoff merchant, we want to put him down in the fora in which he committed his crimes. Steven R. Rochlin through his Enjoythemusic.com scam has been leading audiophiles to the slaughter at the hands of incompetent makers of bland fashion-victim crap without any discernable sonic benefit for years -- in all these conferences, and some others, but I reckon the RAHE audiophools deserve Rochlin for their gullibility and their slackness in not reading up a little, a very little science. What did you think I would do? Creep around sulking ineffectually like you? The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com Andre Jute Stop bleating. Please, please, please give us the Silence of the Lambs. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Alan Rutlidge wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Andre, Didn't you start this crap thread over at rec.audio.uk (or was it rec.audio.tubes) ? How is it a "crap thread" to discuss the morality of a paper hanger for advertisers like Steven R. Rochlin of the Enjoythemusic.com scam delivering to his paymasters favourable reviews for goods that are widely known to have no sonic effect whatsoever? Or do you view the morality of scam artists using the free airwaves to line their pockets the same way you view the morality of child sex tourism to South East Asia? Who cares in any case. I do, obviously. So would you, if you had any brains. But if you don't, like the good Lord Valve says, "It ain't rocket science. No likee, no readee." So the OP probably didn't put COMM: in the post header. You haven't read the thread or, if you did, you are a functional illiterate (or if not, your brains have been eaten by syphilis). My objection is not to moderate advertising of Rochlin's scam-site on the audio conferences. My objection is to his dishonest claim to "help audiophiles". My objection is to Rochlin supporting dishonest saleshacks. My objection is that useless greedbag Rochlin posturing as a moral arbiter. That's like telling the Mafia they can appoint the Police Commissioner, inviting gangrene into the usenet. Haven't you learnt to ignore this? See above. You're another unsophisticated rustic with an on-off switch in his mind who insists everything must be one way or the other. The world isn't like that. There are shades. We tolerate a certain amount of Rochlin-like corruption in the system because it isn't worth the unpleasantness of excising it. But that jumped up street-trader Steven R Rochlin is now getting above himself and has thereby made it worth the unpleasantness of cleaning him out like pus from an abcess. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Alan Rutlidge wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Andre, Didn't you start this crap thread over at rec.audio.uk (or was it rec.audio.tubes) ? How is it a "crap thread" to discuss the morality of a paper hanger for advertisers like Steven R. Rochlin of the Enjoythemusic.com scam delivering to his paymasters favourable reviews for goods that are widely known to have no sonic effect whatsoever? Or do you view the morality of scam artists using the free airwaves to line their pockets the same way you view the morality of child sex tourism to South East Asia? Who cares in any case. I do, obviously. So would you, if you had any brains. But if you don't, like the good Lord Valve says, "It ain't rocket science. No likee, no readee." So the OP probably didn't put COMM: in the post header. You haven't read the thread or, if you did, you are a functional illiterate (or if not, your brains have been eaten by syphilis). My objection is not to moderate advertising of Rochlin's scam-site on the audio conferences. My objection is to his dishonest claim to "help audiophiles". My objection is to Rochlin supporting dishonest saleshacks. My objection is that useless greedbag Rochlin posturing as a moral arbiter. That's like telling the Mafia they can appoint the Police Commissioner, inviting gangrene into the usenet. Haven't you learnt to ignore this? See above. You're another unsophisticated rustic with an on-off switch in his mind who insists everything must be one way or the other. The world isn't like that. There are shades. We tolerate a certain amount of Rochlin-like corruption in the system because it isn't worth the unpleasantness of excising it. But that jumped up street-trader Steven R Rochlin is now getting above himself and has thereby made it worth the unpleasantness of cleaning him out like pus from an abcess. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Andre Jute wrote: The Repair Guy wrote: You still calling yourself "The Repair Guy"? Does that mean you have learned to solder? Or are you like that clown Witless Wiecky who used to hang around RAT calling himself "a repair hack" until we discovered the only repair he ever perpetrated was to clean the dust out of someone's amp with compressed air. That's worse than calling yourself "The Repair Guy" because your momma said you could. He repairs *guitars*, you dumbass, which is why he is responding to your cross posted crap on alt.guitars. If you have a problem with some audiophile tube supplier, stick to those forums; guitar players have no use for gold plated connectors or your rambling. "Andre Jute" wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and --snip-- Of course, you had to crosspost an attack on one guy to five newsgroups... Of course I did. When we put down a ripoff merchant, we want to put him down in the fora in which he committed his crimes. Steven R. Rochlin through his Enjoythemusic.com scam has been leading audiophiles to the slaughter at the hands of incompetent makers of bland fashion-victim crap without any discernable sonic benefit for years -- in all these conferences, and some others, but I reckon the RAHE audiophools deserve Rochlin for their gullibility and their slackness in not reading up a little, a very little science. What did you think I would do? Creep around sulking ineffectually like you? The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com Andre Jute Stop bleating. Please, please, please give us the Silence of the Lambs. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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"Andre Jute" top-posted:
The Repair Guy wrote: You still calling yourself "The Repair Guy"? Well, let's take a moment and look at some message headers... yup, evidently I stll am. Does that mean you have learned to solder? How would you possibly know whether I can solder? Or MIG weld, or tap dance, or anything else? Where do you get this stuff? Did you just buy the Franklin Pocket Non Sequitur Generator (FPNSG)? I bet the blue LEDs were what sold you on it. --snip-- "Andre Jute" wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and --snip-- Of course, you had to crosspost an attack on one guy to five newsgroups... Of course I did. When we put down a ripoff merchant, we Who's "we"? You and the FPNSG? You & Andrew McCoy? You & the Justice League of America? want to put him down in the fora in which he committed his crimes. Steven R. Rochlin through his Enjoythemusic.com scam has been leading audiophiles to the slaughter at the hands of incompetent makers of bland fashion-victim crap without any discernable sonic benefit for years -- in all these conferences, and some others, but I reckon the RAHE audiophools deserve Rochlin for their gullibility and their slackness in not reading up a little, a very little science. What did you think I would do? Creep around sulking ineffectually like you? Actually, I was hoping you'd find a nice, quiet hobby. Have you thought about building amplifiers? The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com |
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Andre Jute said: Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten Just don't call the Krooborg a magnificent ******* or read Ferstler's books. Mmm. As a matter of perspective George -- and much as I hate to say a single kind word about an immoral slimeball like Krueger Let's leave it that. My comment was a sort-of pun on Robert's typo. -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. |
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Thank you, Andre & Bill
Andre, thanks to you, and to Bill Riel.
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... Robert Morein wrote: In article , "The Repair Guy" wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and --snip-- Of course, you had to crosspost an attack on one guy to five newsgroups... The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com Sorry guys, forgery. Bob Morein Oh, you're definitely a forgery. The real Robert Morein is a fellow with an elegant turn of mind who would never demean himself by these nauseating iterations of soundbites so dull they are boring the first time one sees them. -- Andre Jute Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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I haven't made a study of Rochlin, as you have. I perused the site,
particularly the info sectionl. While I did not purposely examine the info in order to validate it, it generally impressed me as useful; the sort of stuff that many audiophiles who aren't bookish gain access to via Rochlin's site. Here in the U.S., there has been considerable law relating to the truthfulness of advertising claims. "Bigger", "better", "more powerful", "more effective", even "clinically proven", have been given somewhat of a waiver by our legal system from standards of common discourse. Hence, we tolerate advertising balderdash that would be considered offensive if told by one person to another. In one case, the contents of a college catalog were used as evidence against the college. The college successfully defended with the claim that the introduction to the college catalog was "advertising" rather than "contractual promises." Since English and American common law are still joined at the hip to a surprising degree, with civil verdicts shared as precedent in both countries, the U.K. is not immune to this. In fact, there is a rather rude colloquialism in the U.K. that actually was the slogan of a laxative -- "gets around the bend", which was modified to "he's gone around the bend." All this is as puzzling to me as it would be to someone hearing it for the first time. If Mr. Rochlin's activities are not sanctioned by everyone on the personal level, the courts have endorsed much or all of it as one of the primary engines of Capitalism -- advertising. According to capitalists, encouragement of consumption is vital to prosperity. All but the most ardent capitalists are torn between disgust and admiration of all things capital. Capitalism is weak on moral content, but strong on results. I don't trust any review anymore. My standards have become too internal for that. Perhaps you, too? "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... soundhaspriority wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute This reminisces the "art vs. money" debate. Eh? I can understand that a logger might object. But you're mistaken if you think my objection to Rochlin and his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff is on the grounds of art or even journalism, though it is wretched journalism, mere paperhanging for advertising, pandering to manufacturers too cheap to afford real advertising. Nah, here I speak as a DIYer and on grounds of morality. Look, audio has from the very beginning been very commercial. Absolutely no objection. On my home base, RAT, most of the actually useful guys have some commercial interest in electronics or directly in audio. Without their knowledge, the newsgroup would fall down. But Rochlin doesn't fit that definition. He is a know-nothing. If he didn't make a buck leading audiophile fashion victims to the slaughter, he'd make a buck leading jeans-snobs or watch-snobs to the slaughter. Rochlin is an ignorant shill. My personal opinion is that Mr. Rochlin's obvious, and not criminal, desire to make money is a tolerable tradeoff for what he provides the community. The question is what does he provide to the community. My opinion is clear enough above: nothing for the community, dollars in Rochlin's pocket for Rochlin. Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten after Kerouac, Burroughs, or Jackson Pollock? Please God, no! Your very suggestion tells us that you don't know anything at all about these people. I'm sure that even Rochlin, whom I dislike intensely for his basic dishonesty, his uselessness, for being a parasite, bathes more often than that trio of scroungers and liars. But there is a difference between Rochlin and that trio: they had talent; Rochlin's only "talent" is quivering like a puppy-dog to be loved so that we will give him tidbits off our table. Rochlin is not "an audio entrepreneur". He is a publicity flack, a paper hanger for advertiser, grubbing trash. It is an impertinence for Rochlin to claim that his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff "helps audiophiles". It helps no one except Steven R. Rochlin, who next week will be pushing different crap while the innocent is stuck with the crap he equally willy-nilly pushed last week. Check out who advertises on Rochlin's site. Then check out who gets the best reviews and the constant mentions. Draw a conclusion. I have. See above. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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Robert said: All this is as puzzling to me as it would be to someone hearing it for the first time. If Mr. Rochlin's activities are not sanctioned by everyone on the personal level, the courts have endorsed much or all of it as one of the primary engines of Capitalism -- advertising. According to capitalists, encouragement of consumption is vital to prosperity. I think Jute's point was that Rochy doesn't present his plugs as adverts, but rather as (impartialish) reviews. If he's just a shill, his role should be made clear. I don't trust any review anymore. My standards have become too internal for that. Perhaps you, too? Sad to say, squawking about shilling is a behavior evinced most often by the Audio 'Borgs. -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. |
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I guess I screen so much of this out, I tend not to take note of it.. If
that is the situation, it's not right. But as in the college catalog case, one is not necessarily required to specifically identify material as advertising in order to gain protection from fraud-based complaint. I believe the legal standard is whether a normally intelligent person would be able to make the distinction. Is this the case with Rochlin's site? "George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Robert said: All this is as puzzling to me as it would be to someone hearing it for the first time. If Mr. Rochlin's activities are not sanctioned by everyone on the personal level, the courts have endorsed much or all of it as one of the primary engines of Capitalism -- advertising. According to capitalists, encouragement of consumption is vital to prosperity. I think Jute's point was that Rochy doesn't present his plugs as adverts, but rather as (impartialish) reviews. If he's just a shill, his role should be made clear. I don't trust any review anymore. My standards have become too internal for that. Perhaps you, too? Sad to say, squawking about shilling is a behavior evinced most often by the Audio 'Borgs. -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. |
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Alan Rutlidge wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Andre, Didn't you start this crap thread over at rec.audio.uk (or was it rec.audio.tubes) ? How is it a "crap thread" to discuss the morality of a paper hanger for advertisers like Steven R. Rochlin of the Enjoythemusic.com scam delivering to his paymasters favourable reviews for goods that are widely known to have no sonic effect whatsoever? Andre, grow up. The Internet and Usenet is full of scams. So this is just another one hey? Surely you have better things to talk about than exposing this alledged scam artist? There are plenty of people out there who would claim to be offering advice. Some of it good, some of it bad, and a whole swag of in between stuff. Andre, where do you see yourself in this scheme of things? Or do you view the morality of scam artists using the free airwaves to line their pockets the same way you view the morality of child sex tourism to South East Asia? And what might that view be Andre? Perhaps you might care to elaborate on this piece of crap too? You obviously have me at a disadvantage as I know nothing of the latter. Who cares in any case. I do, obviously. So would you, if you had any brains. But if you don't, like the good Lord Valve says, "It ain't rocket science. No likee, no readee." No problem with you "caring" Andre. Ever considered your approach to the subject is rather more confronting than constructive? So the OP probably didn't put COMM: in the post header. You haven't read the thread or, if you did, you are a functional illiterate (or if not, your brains have been eaten by syphilis). My objection is not to moderate advertising of Rochlin's scam-site on the audio conferences. My objection is to his dishonest claim to "help audiophiles". My objection is to Rochlin supporting dishonest saleshacks. My objection is that useless greedbag Rochlin posturing as a moral arbiter. That's like telling the Mafia they can appoint the Police Commissioner, inviting gangrene into the usenet. So not only are you the Usenet Police, you also do physical and mental diagnosis but also pathology by proxy. How interesting. Haven't you learnt to ignore this? See above. You're another unsophisticated rustic with an on-off switch in his mind who insists everything must be one way or the other. The world isn't like that. There are shades. We tolerate a certain amount of Rochlin-like corruption in the system because it isn't worth the unpleasantness of excising it. But that jumped up street-trader Steven R Rochlin is now getting above himself and has thereby made it worth the unpleasantness of cleaning him out like pus from an abcess. Hmmm.... so it would appear that you intend to graduate from diagnosis by proxy to surgery. My, my you are indeed a talented chappie aren't you? Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. |
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soundhaspriority wrote: I haven't made a study of Rochlin, as you have. I perused the site, particularly the info sectionl. While I did not purposely examine the info in order to validate it, it generally impressed me as useful; the sort of stuff that many audiophiles who aren't bookish gain access to via Rochlin's site. First of all, we in Europe have a higher expectation of reviews than Americans. (It is a subtext of much of what John Atkinson writes; much of the controversy he is involved in, away from the pseudo-scientific crank fringe of Krueger etc, arises from the fact that he is an Englishman with much higher expectations.) Secondly, the laws in Europe are much different. Thirdly, your analysis of American law and practice below is at variance with the reality of practice. Here in the U.S., there has been considerable law relating to the truthfulness of advertising claims. "Bigger", "better", "more powerful", "more effective", even "clinically proven", have been given somewhat of a waiver by our legal system from standards of common discourse. Hence, we tolerate advertising balderdash that would be considered offensive if told by one person to another. In one case, the contents of a college catalog were used as evidence against the college. The college successfully defended with the claim that the introduction to the college catalog was "advertising" rather than "contractual promises." But neither US law, nor local AAAA codes of practice, nor for that matter codes of practice enforced by the major media, permit "passing off", the pretense that one thing is in fact another thing. That is why you find outright paid-for newspaper advertising supplements, when dressed up as editorial matter, headed with the word "ADVERTISEMENT" or "Advertising Supplement" on each page. In the case of Steven R. Rochlin's EnjoytheMusic.com paid advertising is clearly dressed up as independent advertising matter. That is passing off. That is deceit for gain. Since English and American common law are still joined at the hip to a surprising degree, with civil verdicts shared as precedent in both countries, the U.K. is not immune to this. In fact, there is a rather rude colloquialism in the U.K. that actually was the slogan of a laxative -- "gets around the bend", which was modified to "he's gone around the bend." The similarities are deceptive. In the UK an advertiser will get away with none of the bigger and better examples you mentioned above. European law effectively comes down to a challenge to advertisers to prove all factual claims and in some cases implied factual claims. Note that it is the law that issues the challenge; there is no need to wait for a competitor or consumer to lodge a complaint; false advertising is illegal and the state acts on behalf of the common weal. In practice, long before the state acts, the professional bodies have acted, precisely as in the US example above where no one in the print media can get away with publishing an advertisement dressed up as editorial without announcing it. (In most countries the sanction works through capitalist means, incidentally: what happens is that after all other remedies are exhausted, membership of the pro body is withdrawn, and with it the right to get credit and to withold a fixed percentage of the payment as the "agency" fee, which is the income of the intermediaries. That usually suffices to close down the transgressor because we are talking about interest for 90 days on many hundreds of millions, and about 12-16.5 per cent of the many hundreds of millions which are the ad agent's fees. Unfortunately the internet does not yet have professional standards so there is no one to sanction the likes of Rochlin when they transgress decency.) All this is as puzzling to me as it would be to someone hearing it for the first time. If Mr. Rochlin's activities are not sanctioned by everyone on the personal level, the courts have endorsed much or all of it as one of the primary engines of Capitalism -- advertising. According to capitalists, encouragement of consumption is vital to prosperity. I made my early career in advertising. I still write very technical books on communications psychology and reprographics (a part of the graphic arts) for the communications trades, of which advertising is a substantial part. I believe implicitly in the value of advertising to reduce unit costs my maximising distribution, the key mechanism of capitalism. However, the value of honest advertising is demeaned when people like Rochlin tries to pretend advertising is impartial editorial. Rochlin's activities at Enjoythemusic.shill devastate the credibility of a wider audience, all for Rochlin's personal profit. He makes work for the rest of us to recover that good faith which advertising would enjoy, but for the activities of Rochlin and others like him. All but the most ardent capitalists are torn between disgust and admiration of all things capital. Capitalism is weak on moral content, but strong on results. That's bull****. The morality of the hidden hand is merely poorly understood. As a young intellectual, I felt as you describe above, terribly ambivalent. Then I went to Russia to lecture on the marketing uses of statistics, during Brezhnev's little perestroika of the later 1960s. I came away wondering how anyone in his right mind could be anti-capitalist. There are no examples, none, period, of central planning working. The only alternative is capitalism. (The so-called welfare state, often described as modified mixed-economy socialism, is no such thing; it is modified capitalism and, what's more, a very nation-state sort of capitalism at its root, as can be seen by studying the first welfare state, Bismarck's Prussia, and the following that through the Liberal founders of the British model system which in a cleaned-up form operates in Germany and elsewhere in Europe today.) I don't trust any review anymore. My standards have become too internal for that. Perhaps you, too? Yes, of course. But this isn't about whether two sophisticated audiophiles are taken in by Rochlin's greedy crap. It isn't even about those less sophisticated whom Rochlin leads to the slaughter at the hands of paying pushers of placebo "audiophile" fashion-of-the-week crap. This is about the fundamental dishonesty of Rochlin claiming to "help audiophiles". In Europe he would investigated and brought up before an enquiry for lying that he "helps audiophiles" when all he does is "help himself line his pockets". That is so gross a transgression of honesty that it alone would be enough to condemn Rochlin and Enjoythemusic.ripoff, even without all his other deceits and dishonesties. Andre Jute "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... soundhaspriority wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute This reminisces the "art vs. money" debate. Eh? I can understand that a logger might object. But you're mistaken if you think my objection to Rochlin and his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff is on the grounds of art or even journalism, though it is wretched journalism, mere paperhanging for advertising, pandering to manufacturers too cheap to afford real advertising. Nah, here I speak as a DIYer and on grounds of morality. Look, audio has from the very beginning been very commercial. Absolutely no objection. On my home base, RAT, most of the actually useful guys have some commercial interest in electronics or directly in audio. Without their knowledge, the newsgroup would fall down. But Rochlin doesn't fit that definition. He is a know-nothing. If he didn't make a buck leading audiophile fashion victims to the slaughter, he'd make a buck leading jeans-snobs or watch-snobs to the slaughter. Rochlin is an ignorant shill. My personal opinion is that Mr. Rochlin's obvious, and not criminal, desire to make money is a tolerable tradeoff for what he provides the community. The question is what does he provide to the community. My opinion is clear enough above: nothing for the community, dollars in Rochlin's pocket for Rochlin. Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten after Kerouac, Burroughs, or Jackson Pollock? Please God, no! Your very suggestion tells us that you don't know anything at all about these people. I'm sure that even Rochlin, whom I dislike intensely for his basic dishonesty, his uselessness, for being a parasite, bathes more often than that trio of scroungers and liars. But there is a difference between Rochlin and that trio: they had talent; Rochlin's only "talent" is quivering like a puppy-dog to be loved so that we will give him tidbits off our table. Rochlin is not "an audio entrepreneur". He is a publicity flack, a paper hanger for advertiser, grubbing trash. It is an impertinence for Rochlin to claim that his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff "helps audiophiles". It helps no one except Steven R. Rochlin, who next week will be pushing different crap while the innocent is stuck with the crap he equally willy-nilly pushed last week. Check out who advertises on Rochlin's site. Then check out who gets the best reviews and the constant mentions. Draw a conclusion. I have. See above. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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The poisonous miasma that is Andrew Jute McCoy exuded: More Crap, different day.... Only this time, its chosen sock-puppets (both sides) joined in for "weight". Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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wrote in message oups.com... The poisonous miasma that is Andrew Jute McCoy exuded: More Crap, different day.... Only this time, its chosen sock-puppets (both sides) joined in for "weight". Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA What is your problem, Peter? This is a purposeful, intellectual thread. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 |
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soundhaspriority wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The poisonous miasma that is Andrew Jute McCoy exuded: More Crap, different day.... Only this time, its chosen sock-puppets (both sides) joined in for "weight". Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA What is your problem, Peter? This is a purposeful, intellectual thread. Bob Morein Dresher, PA (215) 646-4894 Someone rather aptly christened this fellow Witless Wiecky. I didn't know he still hangs around. He arrived around last November, probably stoked up by Michael LaFever of Magnequest who is his neighbour, and started his life of misery by assaulting my every post. I gave up reading what he wrote after a couple of weeks. He doesn't do anything, he doesn't know anything, he cannot contribute anything, he isn't intelligent, he isn't amusing, he's a mindlessly circular oxygen-burden on the planet. There are more like Witless Wiecky on RAT: Yaeger, Poopie, MarkS, Eiron, idiots who think that by making snippy comments about my posts they will build up their own inadequate self-esteem. They're too dumb to understand that one doesn't gain esteem by tearing down but by building up. I just ignore them; they're harmless slow-learners, though I daresay others without killfiles find their mindlessly iterated stupidities irritating. Andre Jute Toujours l'outrage -- French for "in your face" |
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In article 1152329 "Andre Jute" babbled:
There are more like "Andre Jute" on RAT: Yaeger, Poopie, MarkS, Eiron, idiots who think that by making snippy comments about my posts they will build up their own inadequate self-esteem. And they use phony names like "Andre Jute" as well. They're too dumb to understand that one doesn't gain esteem by tearing down but by building up. I just ignore them; they're harmless slow-learners, though I daresay others without killfiles find their mindlessly iterated stupidities irritating. Robert Morein Shop 'N Bag, Pennsylvania |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message .. . In article 1152329 "Andre Jute" babbled: There are more like "Andre Jute" on RAT: Yaeger, Poopie, MarkS, Eiron, idiots who think that by making snippy comments about my posts they will build up their own inadequate self-esteem. And they use phony names like "Andre Jute" as well. They're too dumb to understand that one doesn't gain esteem by tearing down but by building up. I just ignore them; they're harmless slow-learners, though I daresay others without killfiles find their mindlessly iterated stupidities irritating. Robert Morein Shop 'N Bag, Pennsylvania Alright, Brian. Great website you've got, http://www.coralseastudios.com. Too bad it makes fraudulent claims. |
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" Witless Wiecky" wrote:
The poisonous miasma that is Andrew Jute McCoy exuded: More Crap, different day.... Only this time, its chosen sock-puppets (both sides) joined in for "weight". Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Sorry guys, forgery. Robert Morein Shop 'N Bag, Pennsylvania |
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"Andre Jute" wrote:
--snip-- idiots who think that by making snippy comments about my posts they will build up their own inadequate self-esteem. They're too dumb to understand that one doesn't gain esteem by tearing down but by building up. Ah. That explains your attacks on Mr Carlson, etc. Carry on. The Repair Guy repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com |
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The Repair Guy wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote: --snip-- idiots who think that by making snippy comments about my posts they will build up their own inadequate self-esteem. They're too dumb to understand that one doesn't gain esteem by tearing down but by building up. Ah. That explains your attacks on Mr Carlson, etc. Carry on. The Repair Guy I haven't attacked Ned Carlson of Tubezone or Steven R. Rochlin of Enjoythemusic. If I had attacked them, they'd be in surgery and then in traction. I have merely considered the morality of Carlson and Rochlin in the light of published evidence -- published by themselves, I might add. On hand of the finding Carlson and Rochlin's morality deeply flawed by greed, insincerity, hypocrisy and arrogance, and, in Carlson's case, rampant racism, I have concluded it is wiser not to give one's money to Carlson at Tubezone.commisserations for goods when there are so many honest tube pushers to buy from, nor to give one's money to the placebo-pushing manufacturers Rochlin shills for at Enjoythemusic.allpaidadvertising. Turning now to you, anonymous "Repair Guy", your glaringly unsubtle subtext is that these two scumballs should be immune from justifiable and roundly justified criticism for their dishonesty *because they are traders*. It is a common attitude in the audio conferences, where many are wannabe traders. It is none the less a despicable attitude, and despised by none, not even me, more than by the good, honest professionals who give us their knowledge free of charge and expect nothing in return except our goodwill. This virtual commonwealth of crooks and incompetents on the net explains why scum like Rochlin jumps to defend Carlson, and Carlson jumps to defend Rochlin, and the two of them, all lovey-dovey, in years gone by, before I landed on them for it like a ton of Roman law carved in marble, used to tell everyone to buy, buy, buy from the other garage vermin on the newsgroups. If you don't believe me, start reading RAT c1997. And why they complained so bitterly when the flame wars they started in the hope of attracting attention and profit backfired on them. Oh yeah, and it explains why simpering trash like Rochlin hypocritically tries to sound high-minded by telling us he regrets the passing of the old nettiquette -- but doesn't dare debate it with me when I point out that the old nettiquette was that one did not enquire into the trading practices and morality of the scum on the newsgroups, or their gangbanging of consumers who dared complain about inadequate goods and vicious attitudes. It was that nettiquette which persuaded the invisible co-defendent to Carlson and Rochlin, Michael LaFever of Magnequest, Philadelphia, that he could take over a public newsgroup as his own marketing channel for his obsolete and incompetently designed transformers -- with the full, enthusiastic, immoral and vicious support of Carlson and Rochlin. You methods of trying to protect these ripoff merchants, "Repair Guy", stink to high heaven of personal attack on me. You haven't argued a single case I put. You have merely kibbitzed about me. Is there any reason I shouldn't killfile a dull clown like you as I have already killfiled the other garage vermin? Meanwhile, thanks for the opportunity to put some more facts about Rochlin and his coterie of crooks on the record. It is ironic that justice depends on wannabe vermin like you stirring the pot. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. Here is my original in this thread, lest in the personal abuse flung by the apprentice garage traders (and repair guys), we forget that serious money is being stolen from unsuspecting audiophiles: ____ Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for advertising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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Andre,
Here is a document which largely confirms your position: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/anthony/naruc.htm However, the realities of advertising, at least in the U.S., seem remarkably divergent. To put it bluntly, the level of enforcement based upon general advertising law verges on nonexistence. However, there appear to be two tiers of law: the general advertising law, as non-administered by the FTC, and statutes covering special areas, such as drug and food labeling, that are strictly enforced. The only example I can recall relevant to audio was the decision of the FTC, sometime in the 70's, to mandate quoting of RMS power, rather than IHF power, to "protect" consumers from blatantly false amplifier claims. For a few years, the FTC lawyers whacked at the manufacturers, and got them in line. In the past few years, the IHF power spec has reappeared. It appears that with respect to compliance with advertising laws, the primary question is, "What is the cost of compliance versus later payment of a fine ?" As Steven R. Rochlin has got your back up, so I have my particular pique. Brian L. McCarty has for years been attempting to attract investors via blatant fraud, with his websites http://www.coralseastudios.com, and http://www.worldjazz.com. I have on a number of occasions, and in a number of ways, brought this to the attention of Australian regulators. Their attitude appears to be that unless McCarty actually succeeds in taking someone's money, there is no complaint worth the effort of prosecution. The decision of law enforcement is weighted heavily by the existence of injured parties. Realities sometimes exist in contrast with the statutes. For example, here in the U.S., the FBI has a guideline, sometimes broken at their discretion, that cases distinguished primarily by financial loss are not initiated unless the loss exceeds $40K. Thus, Rochlin, as with current importers of junk equipment who quote IHF power, "White Van" speakers, or Brian L. McCarty, take risks based upon their assessment of who gets hammered and why. Of course, sometimes, when the personality of a risk-taker gets carried away, as with a Ponzi scheme that grows, he might lose his game of chance. "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... soundhaspriority wrote: I haven't made a study of Rochlin, as you have. I perused the site, particularly the info sectionl. While I did not purposely examine the info in order to validate it, it generally impressed me as useful; the sort of stuff that many audiophiles who aren't bookish gain access to via Rochlin's site. First of all, we in Europe have a higher expectation of reviews than Americans. (It is a subtext of much of what John Atkinson writes; much of the controversy he is involved in, away from the pseudo-scientific crank fringe of Krueger etc, arises from the fact that he is an Englishman with much higher expectations.) Secondly, the laws in Europe are much different. Thirdly, your analysis of American law and practice below is at variance with the reality of practice. Here in the U.S., there has been considerable law relating to the truthfulness of advertising claims. "Bigger", "better", "more powerful", "more effective", even "clinically proven", have been given somewhat of a waiver by our legal system from standards of common discourse. Hence, we tolerate advertising balderdash that would be considered offensive if told by one person to another. In one case, the contents of a college catalog were used as evidence against the college. The college successfully defended with the claim that the introduction to the college catalog was "advertising" rather than "contractual promises." But neither US law, nor local AAAA codes of practice, nor for that matter codes of practice enforced by the major media, permit "passing off", the pretense that one thing is in fact another thing. That is why you find outright paid-for newspaper advertising supplements, when dressed up as editorial matter, headed with the word "ADVERTISEMENT" or "Advertising Supplement" on each page. In the case of Steven R. Rochlin's EnjoytheMusic.com paid advertising is clearly dressed up as independent advertising matter. That is passing off. That is deceit for gain. Since English and American common law are still joined at the hip to a surprising degree, with civil verdicts shared as precedent in both countries, the U.K. is not immune to this. In fact, there is a rather rude colloquialism in the U.K. that actually was the slogan of a laxative -- "gets around the bend", which was modified to "he's gone around the bend." The similarities are deceptive. In the UK an advertiser will get away with none of the bigger and better examples you mentioned above. European law effectively comes down to a challenge to advertisers to prove all factual claims and in some cases implied factual claims. Note that it is the law that issues the challenge; there is no need to wait for a competitor or consumer to lodge a complaint; false advertising is illegal and the state acts on behalf of the common weal. In practice, long before the state acts, the professional bodies have acted, precisely as in the US example above where no one in the print media can get away with publishing an advertisement dressed up as editorial without announcing it. (In most countries the sanction works through capitalist means, incidentally: what happens is that after all other remedies are exhausted, membership of the pro body is withdrawn, and with it the right to get credit and to withold a fixed percentage of the payment as the "agency" fee, which is the income of the intermediaries. That usually suffices to close down the transgressor because we are talking about interest for 90 days on many hundreds of millions, and about 12-16.5 per cent of the many hundreds of millions which are the ad agent's fees. Unfortunately the internet does not yet have professional standards so there is no one to sanction the likes of Rochlin when they transgress decency.) All this is as puzzling to me as it would be to someone hearing it for the first time. If Mr. Rochlin's activities are not sanctioned by everyone on the personal level, the courts have endorsed much or all of it as one of the primary engines of Capitalism -- advertising. According to capitalists, encouragement of consumption is vital to prosperity. I made my early career in advertising. I still write very technical books on communications psychology and reprographics (a part of the graphic arts) for the communications trades, of which advertising is a substantial part. I believe implicitly in the value of advertising to reduce unit costs my maximising distribution, the key mechanism of capitalism. However, the value of honest advertising is demeaned when people like Rochlin tries to pretend advertising is impartial editorial. Rochlin's activities at Enjoythemusic.shill devastate the credibility of a wider audience, all for Rochlin's personal profit. He makes work for the rest of us to recover that good faith which advertising would enjoy, but for the activities of Rochlin and others like him. All but the most ardent capitalists are torn between disgust and admiration of all things capital. Capitalism is weak on moral content, but strong on results. That's bull****. The morality of the hidden hand is merely poorly understood. As a young intellectual, I felt as you describe above, terribly ambivalent. Then I went to Russia to lecture on the marketing uses of statistics, during Brezhnev's little perestroika of the later 1960s. I came away wondering how anyone in his right mind could be anti-capitalist. There are no examples, none, period, of central planning working. The only alternative is capitalism. (The so-called welfare state, often described as modified mixed-economy socialism, is no such thing; it is modified capitalism and, what's more, a very nation-state sort of capitalism at its root, as can be seen by studying the first welfare state, Bismarck's Prussia, and the following that through the Liberal founders of the British model system which in a cleaned-up form operates in Germany and elsewhere in Europe today.) I don't trust any review anymore. My standards have become too internal for that. Perhaps you, too? Yes, of course. But this isn't about whether two sophisticated audiophiles are taken in by Rochlin's greedy crap. It isn't even about those less sophisticated whom Rochlin leads to the slaughter at the hands of paying pushers of placebo "audiophile" fashion-of-the-week crap. This is about the fundamental dishonesty of Rochlin claiming to "help audiophiles". In Europe he would investigated and brought up before an enquiry for lying that he "helps audiophiles" when all he does is "help himself line his pockets". That is so gross a transgression of honesty that it alone would be enough to condemn Rochlin and Enjoythemusic.ripoff, even without all his other deceits and dishonesties. Andre Jute "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... soundhaspriority wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute This reminisces the "art vs. money" debate. Eh? I can understand that a logger might object. But you're mistaken if you think my objection to Rochlin and his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff is on the grounds of art or even journalism, though it is wretched journalism, mere paperhanging for advertising, pandering to manufacturers too cheap to afford real advertising. Nah, here I speak as a DIYer and on grounds of morality. Look, audio has from the very beginning been very commercial. Absolutely no objection. On my home base, RAT, most of the actually useful guys have some commercial interest in electronics or directly in audio. Without their knowledge, the newsgroup would fall down. But Rochlin doesn't fit that definition. He is a know-nothing. If he didn't make a buck leading audiophile fashion victims to the slaughter, he'd make a buck leading jeans-snobs or watch-snobs to the slaughter. Rochlin is an ignorant shill. My personal opinion is that Mr. Rochlin's obvious, and not criminal, desire to make money is a tolerable tradeoff for what he provides the community. The question is what does he provide to the community. My opinion is clear enough above: nothing for the community, dollars in Rochlin's pocket for Rochlin. Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten after Kerouac, Burroughs, or Jackson Pollock? Please God, no! Your very suggestion tells us that you don't know anything at all about these people. I'm sure that even Rochlin, whom I dislike intensely for his basic dishonesty, his uselessness, for being a parasite, bathes more often than that trio of scroungers and liars. But there is a difference between Rochlin and that trio: they had talent; Rochlin's only "talent" is quivering like a puppy-dog to be loved so that we will give him tidbits off our table. Rochlin is not "an audio entrepreneur". He is a publicity flack, a paper hanger for advertiser, grubbing trash. It is an impertinence for Rochlin to claim that his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff "helps audiophiles". It helps no one except Steven R. Rochlin, who next week will be pushing different crap while the innocent is stuck with the crap he equally willy-nilly pushed last week. Check out who advertises on Rochlin's site. Then check out who gets the best reviews and the constant mentions. Draw a conclusion. I have. See above. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
"RichCI" wrote in message oups.com... \ He repairs *guitars*, you dumbass, which is why he is responding to your cross posted crap on alt.guitars. If you have a problem with some audiophile tube supplier, stick to those forums; guitar players have no use for gold plated connectors or your rambling. Also, they like to throw out perfectly good Telefunkens. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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Realities of truth in advertising
Yo, Bob:
I started out writing to you how sad is all this laid out in your letter. But it isn't, really. True, scum like Carlson and Rochlin and LaFever get away with their nastiness only a little scarred. True, the bullyboys on the internet seems to believe that living with dishonest trailer park trash is a manhood rite. True, the authorities are lost in a morass of immorality if they have to set a high financial barrier before they act. On the other hand, nobody is pretending it is an ideal situation, and some in authority are considering the amount of flex in the system that is necessary/least damaging. And a minority of folk -- on these conferences you and me -- are not afraid to speak up and trample a few bullyboys. I can remember how corrupting the constant lying of the Kennedy/Johnson era was, and how the constant political correctness of the left-wing generation which educated me narrowed their mental capabilities and their inherent honesty (I'm talking about the fellow-travellers protecting their careers by not stepping out of line; the committed leftwingers were dishonest through and through, like a candy stick you buy on an pier). Now principled people can at least speak out. That is a huge advance. Far from whimpering in our beer, a few tentative congratulations may be in order. Andre Jute soundhaspriority wrote: Andre, Here is a document which largely confirms your position: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/anthony/naruc.htm However, the realities of advertising, at least in the U.S., seem remarkably divergent. To put it bluntly, the level of enforcement based upon general advertising law verges on nonexistence. However, there appear to be two tiers of law: the general advertising law, as non-administered by the FTC, and statutes covering special areas, such as drug and food labeling, that are strictly enforced. The only example I can recall relevant to audio was the decision of the FTC, sometime in the 70's, to mandate quoting of RMS power, rather than IHF power, to "protect" consumers from blatantly false amplifier claims. For a few years, the FTC lawyers whacked at the manufacturers, and got them in line. In the past few years, the IHF power spec has reappeared. It appears that with respect to compliance with advertising laws, the primary question is, "What is the cost of compliance versus later payment of a fine ?" As Steven R. Rochlin has got your back up, so I have my particular pique. Brian L. McCarty has for years been attempting to attract investors via blatant fraud, with his websites http://www.coralseastudios.com, and http://www.worldjazz.com. I have on a number of occasions, and in a number of ways, brought this to the attention of Australian regulators. Their attitude appears to be that unless McCarty actually succeeds in taking someone's money, there is no complaint worth the effort of prosecution. The decision of law enforcement is weighted heavily by the existence of injured parties. Realities sometimes exist in contrast with the statutes. For example, here in the U.S., the FBI has a guideline, sometimes broken at their discretion, that cases distinguished primarily by financial loss are not initiated unless the loss exceeds $40K. Thus, Rochlin, as with current importers of junk equipment who quote IHF power, "White Van" speakers, or Brian L. McCarty, take risks based upon their assessment of who gets hammered and why. Of course, sometimes, when the personality of a risk-taker gets carried away, as with a Ponzi scheme that grows, he might lose his game of chance. "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... soundhaspriority wrote: I haven't made a study of Rochlin, as you have. I perused the site, particularly the info sectionl. While I did not purposely examine the info in order to validate it, it generally impressed me as useful; the sort of stuff that many audiophiles who aren't bookish gain access to via Rochlin's site. First of all, we in Europe have a higher expectation of reviews than Americans. (It is a subtext of much of what John Atkinson writes; much of the controversy he is involved in, away from the pseudo-scientific crank fringe of Krueger etc, arises from the fact that he is an Englishman with much higher expectations.) Secondly, the laws in Europe are much different. Thirdly, your analysis of American law and practice below is at variance with the reality of practice. Here in the U.S., there has been considerable law relating to the truthfulness of advertising claims. "Bigger", "better", "more powerful", "more effective", even "clinically proven", have been given somewhat of a waiver by our legal system from standards of common discourse. Hence, we tolerate advertising balderdash that would be considered offensive if told by one person to another. In one case, the contents of a college catalog were used as evidence against the college. The college successfully defended with the claim that the introduction to the college catalog was "advertising" rather than "contractual promises." But neither US law, nor local AAAA codes of practice, nor for that matter codes of practice enforced by the major media, permit "passing off", the pretense that one thing is in fact another thing. That is why you find outright paid-for newspaper advertising supplements, when dressed up as editorial matter, headed with the word "ADVERTISEMENT" or "Advertising Supplement" on each page. In the case of Steven R. Rochlin's EnjoytheMusic.com paid advertising is clearly dressed up as independent advertising matter. That is passing off. That is deceit for gain. Since English and American common law are still joined at the hip to a surprising degree, with civil verdicts shared as precedent in both countries, the U.K. is not immune to this. In fact, there is a rather rude colloquialism in the U.K. that actually was the slogan of a laxative -- "gets around the bend", which was modified to "he's gone around the bend." The similarities are deceptive. In the UK an advertiser will get away with none of the bigger and better examples you mentioned above. European law effectively comes down to a challenge to advertisers to prove all factual claims and in some cases implied factual claims. Note that it is the law that issues the challenge; there is no need to wait for a competitor or consumer to lodge a complaint; false advertising is illegal and the state acts on behalf of the common weal. In practice, long before the state acts, the professional bodies have acted, precisely as in the US example above where no one in the print media can get away with publishing an advertisement dressed up as editorial without announcing it. (In most countries the sanction works through capitalist means, incidentally: what happens is that after all other remedies are exhausted, membership of the pro body is withdrawn, and with it the right to get credit and to withold a fixed percentage of the payment as the "agency" fee, which is the income of the intermediaries. That usually suffices to close down the transgressor because we are talking about interest for 90 days on many hundreds of millions, and about 12-16.5 per cent of the many hundreds of millions which are the ad agent's fees. Unfortunately the internet does not yet have professional standards so there is no one to sanction the likes of Rochlin when they transgress decency.) All this is as puzzling to me as it would be to someone hearing it for the first time. If Mr. Rochlin's activities are not sanctioned by everyone on the personal level, the courts have endorsed much or all of it as one of the primary engines of Capitalism -- advertising. According to capitalists, encouragement of consumption is vital to prosperity. I made my early career in advertising. I still write very technical books on communications psychology and reprographics (a part of the graphic arts) for the communications trades, of which advertising is a substantial part. I believe implicitly in the value of advertising to reduce unit costs my maximising distribution, the key mechanism of capitalism. However, the value of honest advertising is demeaned when people like Rochlin tries to pretend advertising is impartial editorial. Rochlin's activities at Enjoythemusic.shill devastate the credibility of a wider audience, all for Rochlin's personal profit. He makes work for the rest of us to recover that good faith which advertising would enjoy, but for the activities of Rochlin and others like him. All but the most ardent capitalists are torn between disgust and admiration of all things capital. Capitalism is weak on moral content, but strong on results. That's bull****. The morality of the hidden hand is merely poorly understood. As a young intellectual, I felt as you describe above, terribly ambivalent. Then I went to Russia to lecture on the marketing uses of statistics, during Brezhnev's little perestroika of the later 1960s. I came away wondering how anyone in his right mind could be anti-capitalist. There are no examples, none, period, of central planning working. The only alternative is capitalism. (The so-called welfare state, often described as modified mixed-economy socialism, is no such thing; it is modified capitalism and, what's more, a very nation-state sort of capitalism at its root, as can be seen by studying the first welfare state, Bismarck's Prussia, and the following that through the Liberal founders of the British model system which in a cleaned-up form operates in Germany and elsewhere in Europe today.) I don't trust any review anymore. My standards have become too internal for that. Perhaps you, too? Yes, of course. But this isn't about whether two sophisticated audiophiles are taken in by Rochlin's greedy crap. It isn't even about those less sophisticated whom Rochlin leads to the slaughter at the hands of paying pushers of placebo "audiophile" fashion-of-the-week crap. This is about the fundamental dishonesty of Rochlin claiming to "help audiophiles". In Europe he would investigated and brought up before an enquiry for lying that he "helps audiophiles" when all he does is "help himself line his pockets". That is so gross a transgression of honesty that it alone would be enough to condemn Rochlin and Enjoythemusic.ripoff, even without all his other deceits and dishonesties. Andre Jute "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... soundhaspriority wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute This reminisces the "art vs. money" debate. Eh? I can understand that a logger might object. But you're mistaken if you think my objection to Rochlin and his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff is on the grounds of art or even journalism, though it is wretched journalism, mere paperhanging for advertising, pandering to manufacturers too cheap to afford real advertising. Nah, here I speak as a DIYer and on grounds of morality. Look, audio has from the very beginning been very commercial. Absolutely no objection. On my home base, RAT, most of the actually useful guys have some commercial interest in electronics or directly in audio. Without their knowledge, the newsgroup would fall down. But Rochlin doesn't fit that definition. He is a know-nothing. If he didn't make a buck leading audiophile fashion victims to the slaughter, he'd make a buck leading jeans-snobs or watch-snobs to the slaughter. Rochlin is an ignorant shill. My personal opinion is that Mr. Rochlin's obvious, and not criminal, desire to make money is a tolerable tradeoff for what he provides the community. The question is what does he provide to the community. My opinion is clear enough above: nothing for the community, dollars in Rochlin's pocket for Rochlin. Or does Mr. Jute think that the lives of audio entrepreneurs should patten after Kerouac, Burroughs, or Jackson Pollock? Please God, no! Your very suggestion tells us that you don't know anything at all about these people. I'm sure that even Rochlin, whom I dislike intensely for his basic dishonesty, his uselessness, for being a parasite, bathes more often than that trio of scroungers and liars. But there is a difference between Rochlin and that trio: they had talent; Rochlin's only "talent" is quivering like a puppy-dog to be loved so that we will give him tidbits off our table. Rochlin is not "an audio entrepreneur". He is a publicity flack, a paper hanger for advertiser, grubbing trash. It is an impertinence for Rochlin to claim that his Enjoythemusic.com ripoff "helps audiophiles". It helps no one except Steven R. Rochlin, who next week will be pushing different crap while the innocent is stuck with the crap he equally willy-nilly pushed last week. Check out who advertises on Rochlin's site. Then check out who gets the best reviews and the constant mentions. Draw a conclusion. I have. See above. Andre Jute "You can wait 'til more important things get taken care of." -- Ned Carlson of TubeZone to a Customer who already waited *14 weeks* for his tubes. Andre Jute wrote: Rochlin: far from "helping audiophiles" as you claim, you are a parasite on high fidelity, pushing bland and incompetent **** because the makers pay you for adverising on your silly site and for the number of foolish audiophiles who read your one-sided travesties of reviews. You are a sales hack, pure and simple, but one without the balls to open up an emporium on the high street. --- Andre Jute Hi Everyone, Enjoy the Music.com's July edition celebrates our 11th year of helping audiophiles all around the globe with informative articles, show reports, equipment reviews plus much more! New reviews appear in both Superior Audio and the Review Magazine, with critical assessments of the Audioengine 5 powered monitors, silver cable comparo, Hagerman Technology Chime tubed DAC, Role Audio Sampan speakers, Sound Dead Steel Isoplatmat, Stereovox XV2 cable, Aural Acoustics Model B speakers, plus ModWright Instrument's Denon 3910 universal player and SWL 9.0 SE preamplifier. http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com Enjoy the Music, Steven R. Rochlin http://www.EnjoyTheMusic.com |
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On 8 Jul 2006 08:50:47 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:
I haven't attacked Ned Carlson of Tubezone or Steven R. Rochlin of Enjoythemusic. If I had attacked them, they'd be in surgery and then in traction. I love Andre's posts. They're always filled with sweetness and light. It's like an episode of Play School. |
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paul packer said: I love Andre's posts. They're always filled with sweetness and light. It's like an episode of Play School. How cryptic. What is "Play School"? -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. |
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Not enjoying the cacaphony of the sales hack Steven R. Rochlin abusing us to make a buck
Signal said: I love Andre's posts. They're always filled with sweetness and light. It's like an episode of Play School. How cryptic. What is "Play School"? Children's TV programme : sigh -- A day without Krooger is like a day radiation poisoning. |
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