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need SACD or DVD-A player advice
I am looking to spend up to $700 for a SACD or a DVD-A player. Any
recommendations or advice as to which kind to get would be appreciated. Thanks, Randy |
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Randy and Michelle wrote:
I am looking to spend up to $700 for a SACD or a DVD-A player. Any recommendations or advice as to which kind to get would be appreciated. Why not cover all the bases? Check out the Pioneer universal DVD-A/SACD/DVD/CD player Model: DV-563AS. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: Randy and Michelle wrote: I am looking to spend up to $700 for a SACD or a DVD-A player. Any recommendations or advice as to which kind to get would be appreciated. Why not cover all the bases? Check out the Pioneer universal DVD-A/SACD/DVD/CD player Model: DV-563AS. Exactly. Well, I'd pay a bit more for the 6.1 vs 5.1 out on the Elite series, but the idea's the same. Pioneer makes nice players. |
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JBorg wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: Randy and Michelle wrote: Let's look at that thinly primp-up, slim and flimsy piece of gem daintily wrap in silver-colored mantle of your lustful desires. http://tinyurl.com/2tjwc And yes, for $149.00 US dollars, this phenomenal humdinger is simply not gonna get any better. Since it is a purely digital format, it's all about the chips and components inside the box. You should check out the prices for the various components at wholesale value. Marantz and Denon and the rest all put the same chips and capacitors and so on in their boxes. Maybe $100 in actual parts - the rest is markup. Also, considering HD-DVD is around the corner, why blow the whole wad on an ever-changing format? |
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JBorg wrote:
Have you actually heard it? Yes. Do tell us about your auditions of Pioneer universal DVD-A/SACD/DVD/CD player Model: DV-563AS. |
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JBorg wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: JBorg wrote: Have you actually heard it? Yes. Oh yeah? Yeah, it sounds just like any number of other fine optical players. I mean Borg you can wander through the earth looking for audio nirvana with optical disc players, but anybody with brain knows that the real action is someplace else. I think It's totally obscene that poor schmucks are being defrauded out of the better of part of a $grand for an optical disc player that sounds no different from something they can get a Best Buy for change from $150. Do tell us about your auditions of Pioneer universal DVD-A/SACD/DVD/CD player Model: DV-563AS. Sure. Nearing the end of the time I spent carefully auditioning the $149 Pioneer universal combo player model DV-563AS, I concluded that: It is a piece of ****. I'll take that as a biographical comment, Borg. |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:17:39 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: JBorg wrote: Have you actually heard it? Yes. Do tell us about your auditions of Pioneer universal DVD-A/SACD/DVD/CD player Model: DV-563AS. Do tell us about *your* double-blind tests of the above unit. Please tell us the models that you compared this usit to and what the statistical results of your trials were and please be as specific as possible in terms of *how* you did your tests. Are you saying that this argument that you offered a little over a year and half ago can reasonably be discarded: "Remember that these *cheap* SACD players don't perform nearly as well as the expensive ones". http://tinyurl.com/yw42n That would certainly be good news to those of us on budgets. |
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JBorg wrote:
Since it is a purely digital format, it's all about the chips and components inside the box. Are designs inside the box do not effect the end result then? Not really. It's like a Walkman or TV set - very little is left to understand about a CD or DVD player these ways. Everyone uses the same designs and techniques and most of these sub components are from overseas. It's not even like amplifiers or speakers, where quality can be found for a little more money - it's all cheap nowadays in DVD and CD players. . Identical Discrete Multi-Channel Audio Circuit Kind of meaningless outside of an amplifier. It's just a fancy preamp, anyways, which if you have 6.1 out, you can always use the decoder in the amplifier instead. . CS4397 DAC by Cirrus Logic Inc. DAC is a DAC these days and most use this or something simmilar. . Ample Grade EI-type Power Transformer . "Zero-Impedance" Copper Ground Plate for Analog Output Terminals OOO! Fancy *analog* connectors. Um... since everyone smart uses a digital link to their receiver... . Double-Layered Chassis Construction I'll give you this. Inexpensive means a cheap case, but honestly - how many times do you even move the DVD player? |
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JBorg wrote:
Are you now saying that Randy and Michelle are poor schmucks for really, really, really allowing themselves be defrauded for a better part of a $grand for wishing to spend $700 ? Or, do you think that they are simply, simply, simply fine folks with no brains? Which is it? Option #3: They have been duped by the media and salespeople into believing that $50-100 in parts is worth $700 because of a fancy faceplate. |
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George M. Middius wrote:
JBorg said to Turdborg: DIDN'T YOU SAY HERE ON MANY OCCASION THAT YOU ARE A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, MOTHER****ER. Curiously, there are more than 200 words for excrement in the English language. I think maybe Mr. Borg misquoted Krueger by inserting a comma between the last 2 words. Bruce J. Richman |
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JBorg wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: JBorg wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: JBorg wrote: Have you actually heard it? Yes. Oh yeah? Yeah, it sounds just like any number of other fine optical players. I mean Borg you can wander through the earth looking for audio nirvana with optical disc players, but anybody with brain knows that the real action is someplace else. Are you saying that Randy and Michelle has no brains for looking to spend up to $700 for a SACD or a DVD-A player yet, didn't know that the real action is someplace else ? I was speaking of you, Borg. I think It's totally obscene that poor schmucks are being defrauded out of the better of part of a $grand for an optical disc player that sounds no different from something they can get a Best Buy for change from $150. Are you now saying that Randy and Michelle are poor schmucks for really, really, really allowing themselves be defrauded for a better part of a $grand for wishing to spend $700 ? Or, do you think that they are simply, simply, simply fine folks with no brains? I was speaking of you, Borg. DIDN'T YOU SAY HERE ON MANY OCCASION THAT YOU ARE A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, MOTHER****ER. Thus comment seems totally relevant to a discussion of SACD players, doesn't it, Borg? Why don't you admit it Borg? You're having another meltdown! ---- I think that Dave Weil's commentary below has effectively decimated your early droppings thus far on this thread. Therefore, I see no need to further expound on your craziness. note that nothing follows this comment - there is nothing *below* |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Joseph Borglander said: They have been duped by the media and salespeople into believing that $50-100 in parts is worth $700 because of a fancy faceplate. Or, much more likely, they buy what they want for their own reasons. Seems very unlikely given that they were so unsure of their own reasons, that the decided to consult with RAO. |
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:45:01 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: JBorg wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: JBorg wrote: Have you actually heard it? Yes. Oh yeah? Yeah, it sounds just like any number of other fine optical players. Could you post your dbt level-matched time-synchronized data, Arnold? |
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JBorg wrote:
Well how did you arrived at a conclusion that Marantz SA8260 and Pioneer DV-563AS sounds the same then? Actually, the Pioneer sounds better. Makes the sound of a high end stereo shop shyster laughing all the way to the bank, sorta go away. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:24:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: JBorg wrote: Well how did you arrived at a conclusion that Marantz SA8260 and Pioneer DV-563AS sounds the same then? Actually, the Pioneer sounds better. Makes the sound of a high end stereo shop shyster laughing all the way to the bank, sorta go away. Still waiting for the dbt resuts. I'm also curious what you think makes this usit sound better than the Marantz (from a technical standpoint). |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:37:08 -0600, dave weil
wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:24:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: JBorg wrote: Well how did you arrived at a conclusion that Marantz SA8260 and Pioneer DV-563AS sounds the same then? Actually, the Pioneer sounds better. Makes the sound of a high end stereo shop shyster laughing all the way to the bank, sorta go away. Still waiting for the dbt resuts. I'm also curious what you think makes this usit sound better than the Marantz (from a technical standpoint). That's "unit", of course, not usit. |
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dave weil wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:24:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: JBorg wrote: Well how did you arrived at a conclusion that Marantz SA8260 and Pioneer DV-563AS sounds the same then? Actually, the Pioneer sounds better. Makes the sound of a high end stereo shop shyster laughing all the way to the bank, sorta go away. Still waiting for the dbt resuts. There will never be any dbt resuts. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:54:44 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: dave weil wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:24:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: JBorg wrote: Well how did you arrived at a conclusion that Marantz SA8260 and Pioneer DV-563AS sounds the same then? Actually, the Pioneer sounds better. Makes the sound of a high end stereo shop shyster laughing all the way to the bank, sorta go away. Still waiting for the dbt resuts. There will never be any dbt resuts. Fair enough. How about results? |
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Arny said:
Makes the sound of a high end stereo shop shyster laughing all the way to the bank, sorta go away. You just can't get that whole comma thing, can you. Boon |
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