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From: MINe 109
Date: 3/16/04 1:28 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: In article , (ScottW) wrote: Know your boy. www.wintersoldier.com or (if that link fails) http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php Aside from the strawman of whether or not the incidents reflected "American policy," Kerry's charges have been supported by recent revelations of atrocities. Still, gotta admire someone who went to war for their country. Stephen I don't know anyone who denigrates his time in Viet Nam, it's what he did after. I do find it odd that he put HIMSELF in for the Purple Heart! That there were atrocities committed by Americans in RVN is not in question, the extent and number is. The people I knew there told me of incidents from both sides VC and G.I. I was left with the impression that what we did was largely in response to what they did. |
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I do find it odd that he put HIMSELF in for the Purple Heart! Why would you find common practice odd? |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: Know your boy. www.wintersoldier.com or (if that link fails) http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php Aside from the strawman of whether or not the incidents reflected "American policy," Kerry's charges have been supported by recent revelations of atrocities. What recent revelations? I find this section very interesting. http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...pic=Historians Still, gotta admire someone who went to war for their country. Not if they used their veteran status to give credibility to lies. We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim. -- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier" ---------- Two years later, [1984] he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway. -- J. Michael Waller, Insight Magazine, March 5, 2004 "My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last -- and we would shoot them all." -- VVAW leader Scott Camil, in the University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20,1992 ScottW |
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In article tdQ5c.19256$Nj.1417@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: Know your boy. www.wintersoldier.com or (if that link fails) http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php Aside from the strawman of whether or not the incidents reflected "American policy," Kerry's charges have been supported by recent revelations of atrocities. What recent revelations? http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...=SRTIGERFORCE/ I find this section very interesting. http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...pic=Historians Still, gotta admire someone who went to war for their country. Not if they used their veteran status to give credibility to lies. There's no statute of limitations on veteran status. http://archive.salon.com/opinion/con.../index_np.html The contrast between the military careers of George W. Bush and John Kerry is drawing veterans to the Democratic Party -- and maddening conservative Republicans who have grown accustomed to monopolizing the symbolism of flag and country. To tarnish Kerry, the right has reached back more than 30 years to develop a narrative that transforms him from hero to traitor, by distorting his anti-war activism after he returned from Vietnam. They hope to convince America that by testifying and organizing for peace, the young Navy lieutenant somehow "dishonored" his fellow sailors and soldiers. End quote. We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim. -- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier" ---------- Two years later, [1984] he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway. -- J. Michael Waller, Insight Magazine, March 5, 2004 "My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last -- and we would shoot them all." -- VVAW leader Scott Camil, in the University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20,1992 Weak stuff. |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article tdQ5c.19256$Nj.1417@fed1read01, "ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: Know your boy. www.wintersoldier.com or (if that link fails) http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php Aside from the strawman of whether or not the incidents reflected "American policy," Kerry's charges have been supported by recent revelations of atrocities. What recent revelations? http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...=SRTIGERFORCE/ Awful stories. I hope the investigations reveal everything. I find this section very interesting. http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...pic=Historians Still, gotta admire someone who went to war for their country. Not if they used their veteran status to give credibility to lies. There's no statute of limitations on veteran status. http://archive.salon.com/opinion/con.../index_np.html The contrast between the military careers of George W. Bush and John Kerry is drawing veterans to the Democratic Party -- and maddening conservative Republicans who have grown accustomed to monopolizing the symbolism of flag and country. To tarnish Kerry, the right has reached back more than 30 years to develop a narrative that transforms him from hero to traitor, by distorting his anti-war activism after he returned from Vietnam. They hope to convince America that by testifying and organizing for peace, the young Navy lieutenant somehow "dishonored" his fellow sailors and soldiers. End quote. Weak stuff. I hate being told what conclusion to draw. If there are distortions, reveal them with facts. We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim. -- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier" ---------- Two years later, [1984] he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway. -- J. Michael Waller, Insight Magazine, March 5, 2004 "My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last -- and we would shoot them all." -- VVAW leader Scott Camil, in the University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20,1992 It has been reported that Kerry attended the meeting where they voted on this plan. Hardly weak stuff if true. ScottW |
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:20:55 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote: Weak stuff. I hate being told what conclusion to draw. If there are distortions, reveal them with facts. Why? You'll just deny them. |
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In article e7S5c.19281$Nj.383@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article tdQ5c.19256$Nj.1417@fed1read01, "ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: Know your boy. www.wintersoldier.com or (if that link fails) http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php Aside from the strawman of whether or not the incidents reflected "American policy," Kerry's charges have been supported by recent revelations of atrocities. What recent revelations? http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...=SRTIGERFORCE/ Awful stories. I hope the investigations reveal everything. I don't expect to hear much about it on the evening news. I find this section very interesting. http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...pic=Historians Still, gotta admire someone who went to war for their country. Not if they used their veteran status to give credibility to lies. There's no statute of limitations on veteran status. http://archive.salon.com/opinion/con.../index_np.html The contrast between the military careers of George W. Bush and John Kerry is drawing veterans to the Democratic Party -- and maddening conservative Republicans who have grown accustomed to monopolizing the symbolism of flag and country. To tarnish Kerry, the right has reached back more than 30 years to develop a narrative that transforms him from hero to traitor, by distorting his anti-war activism after he returned from Vietnam. They hope to convince America that by testifying and organizing for peace, the young Navy lieutenant somehow "dishonored" his fellow sailors and soldiers. End quote. Weak stuff. I hate being told what conclusion to draw. If there are distortions, reveal them with facts. It's an opinion piece. Those are the conclusions of the writer. For a biased but supported viewpoint, try dailyhowler.com. (Despite their bias, the dailyhowler folks also take on liberal positions such as the knee-jerk responses to "The Passion".) We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim. -- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier" ---------- Two years later, [1984] he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway. -- J. Michael Waller, Insight Magazine, March 5, 2004 "My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last -- and we would shoot them all." -- VVAW leader Scott Camil, in the University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20,1992 It has been reported that Kerry attended the meeting where they voted on this plan. Hardly weak stuff if true. The first quote is a reasonable early seventies viewpoint against the Vietnam war. The second is partisanship and amounts to nothing. The last suggests conservatives believe Kerry was plotting terrorism, which would be strong stuff if true. However, it is incredible. |
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(Mikermckelvy) wrote: From: MINe 109 From Slate.com's Joe Conason: The contrast between the military careers of George W. Bush and John Kerry is drawing veterans to the Democratic Party -- and maddening conservative Republicans who have grown accustomed to monopolizing the symbolism of flag and country. Not really. Everybody respects his service, for 4 months he did well in the miltary. For the next 20 plus years he's been trying to eviscerate it. That's the problem with the Dems, they think Defense is something to be gutted if the want to throw money at a social program. I think you left the radio on. Sounds like Rush. To tarnish Kerry, the right has reached back more than 30 years to develop a narrative that transforms him from hero to traitor, by distorting his anti-war activism after he returned from Vietnam. They have been presenting his post VN record. Frankly, it sucks. Frankly, you disagree, you meant to say. Not everyone supported the Vietnam War. Bush's chicken-hawk crowd found "other priorities" when it came to actually fighting. They hope to convince America that by testifying and organizing for peace, the young Navy lieutenant somehow "dishonored" his fellow sailors and soldiers. Because of how he did it. He dishonors all other VN vetrans and himself. The phony medal throwing, the rally with Fonda, the portrayal of all GI's as baby killers and murderers. These things put him in the muck with most other leftists. The fake photo with Fonda? *All* GIs? You haven't noticed the vets who turn out for his appearances, have you? |
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In article ,
(ScottW) wrote: dave weil wrote in message . .. On 18 Mar 2004 10:44:23 -0800, (ScottW) wrote: You can't fake a voting record and I heard today that John Kerry voted against every military appropriations bill that included a pay raise for military personel. If true, I suspect this kind of information will be devastating to Kerry's veteran support when it becomes widely known. Unfortunately for you, it's NOT true. Time to make something else up, *or* listen to people who make things up so that you can say that you "heard" this or that. I think your hatred is getting the best of you Dave. Perhaps a cognac to settle your nerves. Anyway, I see in '99 he did vote for a pay raise. http://www.issues2000.org/Internatio...ry_Defense.htm Then there is this. http://qando.net/archives/002111.htm His record on defense is overall, a negative one IMO. This is why I don't believe in rumormongering planted stories. What's the term, "rat****ing"? Stephen |
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On 18 Mar 2004 15:07:20 -0800, (ScottW) wrote:
dave weil wrote in message . .. On 18 Mar 2004 10:44:23 -0800, (ScottW) wrote: You can't fake a voting record and I heard today that John Kerry voted against every military appropriations bill that included a pay raise for military personel. If true, I suspect this kind of information will be devastating to Kerry's veteran support when it becomes widely known. Unfortunately for you, it's NOT true. Time to make something else up, *or* listen to people who make things up so that you can say that you "heard" this or that. I think your hatred is getting the best of you Dave. Perhaps a cognac to settle your nerves. It's hardly hatred to point out that you are way too quick to fire off scurrilous claims (like Mike has done in the past as well). Anyway, I see in '99 he did vote for a pay raise. http://www.issues2000.org/Internatio...ry_Defense.htm Now, wouldn't it have done you well to do a little research before making your claim? Then there is this. http://qando.net/archives/002111.htm His record on defense is overall, a negative one IMO. Of course you would think that. It wouldn't matter what the facts were anyway. |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: You can't fake a voting record and I heard today that John Kerry voted against every military appropriations bill that included a pay raise for military personel. If true, I suspect this kind of information will be devastating to Kerry's veteran support when it becomes widely known. You mean he voted against the giant omnibus defense bills that included pay raises. No telling what he did in committee or behind closed doors. So we must judge him on his record. Or listen to him explain that he voted for it first before he voted against it. Frankly, that kind of a politician doesn't belong in the White House IMO. ScottW |
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In article cML6c.19782$Nj.459@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: You can't fake a voting record and I heard today that John Kerry voted against every military appropriations bill that included a pay raise for military personel. If true, I suspect this kind of information will be devastating to Kerry's veteran support when it becomes widely known. You mean he voted against the giant omnibus defense bills that included pay raises. No telling what he did in committee or behind closed doors. So we must judge him on his record. Sounds good. What doesn't sound good is the Bush campaign pretending a vote against a complex bill is really a vote against a small part of it. Or listen to him explain that he voted for it first before he voted against it. Frankly, that kind of a politician doesn't belong in the White House IMO. That means no politician belongs in the White House. |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article cML6c.19782$Nj.459@fed1read01, "ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: You can't fake a voting record and I heard today that John Kerry voted against every military appropriations bill that included a pay raise for military personel. If true, I suspect this kind of information will be devastating to Kerry's veteran support when it becomes widely known. You mean he voted against the giant omnibus defense bills that included pay raises. No telling what he did in committee or behind closed doors. So we must judge him on his record. Sounds good. What doesn't sound good is the Bush campaign pretending a vote against a complex bill is really a vote against a small part of it. No, its a vote against all of it. It might have had provisions he liked but in the end, he didn't feel they were important enough to surpass the negatives as he voted no. Difficult to make an argument of strong support for the troops. Obviously, they weren't his first priority. Or listen to him explain that he voted for it first before he voted against it. Frankly, that kind of a politician doesn't belong in the White House IMO. That means no politician belongs in the White House. You can't get there without becoming one. ScottW |
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In article DLM6c.19792$Nj.3590@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article cML6c.19782$Nj.459@fed1read01, "ScottW" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , (ScottW) wrote: You can't fake a voting record and I heard today that John Kerry voted against every military appropriations bill that included a pay raise for military personel. If true, I suspect this kind of information will be devastating to Kerry's veteran support when it becomes widely known. You mean he voted against the giant omnibus defense bills that included pay raises. No telling what he did in committee or behind closed doors. So we must judge him on his record. Sounds good. What doesn't sound good is the Bush campaign pretending a vote against a complex bill is really a vote against a small part of it. No, its a vote against all of it. Well, that's not how you're spinning it: Kerry votes against military pay raise. It might have had provisions he liked but in the end, he didn't feel they were important enough to surpass the negatives as he voted no. Difficult to make an argument of strong support for the troops. Obviously, they weren't his first priority. Not obvious at all. Or listen to him explain that he voted for it first before he voted against it. Frankly, that kind of a politician doesn't belong in the White House IMO. That means no politician belongs in the White House. You can't get there without becoming one. Then you're screwed. |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:53:26 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote: I agree that it is responsible to cast a nay vote to at least avoid a Congressional rubber stamp for President Bush in his attempt at conducting unfettered warfare, yes. Sometimes, tactical votes are important to keep people honest, even if it opens one up to backbiting by people like you. You're as bad at answering a yes or no question as John Kerry is. I see. You can't understand English. OK. I think most Americans don't approve of symbolic political gestures when it comes to casting votes in the Senate. I don't give a **** about what "most people don't approve of". You didn't ask me about what "most people" thought (and your supposition may or may not be correct - who knows? I know that *I'm* not presumptuous to speak for "most people"). I happen to think that symbolic votes and protest bloc vote like those that occur on *both* sides of the aisle on occasion are important parts of the political process. I know that your two dimensional brain has a hard time with this sort of thing though. But to talk about backbiting, Kerry criticized the presdent for failing to provide body armor. A piece of equipment specifically funded in an appropriations bill he voted against. A bill that he knew full well was going to pass. I think it was a pretty brave vote to put out there, actually, esepcially since he was considering running for president. |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:53:26 -0800, "ScottW" wrote: I agree that it is responsible to cast a nay vote to at least avoid a Congressional rubber stamp for President Bush in his attempt at conducting unfettered warfare, yes. Sometimes, tactical votes are important to keep people honest, even if it opens one up to backbiting by people like you. You're as bad at answering a yes or no question as John Kerry is. I see. You can't understand English. OK. I think most Americans don't approve of symbolic political gestures when it comes to casting votes in the Senate. I don't give a **** about what "most people don't approve of". You didn't ask me about what "most people" thought (and your supposition may or may not be correct - who knows? I know that *I'm* not presumptuous to speak for "most people"). That rage and hostility is venting again. It's obvious that public support for that measure was overwhelming. Kerry was being a dick. I happen to think that symbolic votes and protest bloc vote like those that occur on *both* sides of the aisle on occasion are important parts of the political process. I know that your two dimensional brain has a hard time with this sort of thing though. I find it a bs rationalization of Kerry's no vote. Let's put up a Kerry add and explain it as a symbolic gesture or protest when it comes to something that important. Let's see how that flies in America. But to talk about backbiting, Kerry criticized the presdent for failing to provide body armor. A piece of equipment specifically funded in an appropriations bill he voted against. A bill that he knew full well was going to pass. I think it was a pretty brave vote to put out there, actually, esepcially since he was considering running for president. Brave? I think it was stupid and impulsive. His own attempt to rationalize it was a bigger bust than yours. I see your great state is home to some interesting communities. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/18/county.gays.ap/ ScottW |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:16:57 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote: I see your great state is home to some interesting communities. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/18/county.gays.ap/ Oh yeah, although they just backed down. Also, I'll note that the only Republican to either abstain or vote no on the bill that you have referenced came from Tennessee (he abstained). I edited out all of the parts that made you look stupid, BTW. I hope you are grateful, since you don't seem to have a clue about the inner workings of our government. |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:22:36 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote: Nice intelligent discourse on why Kerry doesn't have a conflicted record. Good job Dave. Thank you. I appreciate it. BTW, I'm glad that you're moving on, since the conversation was apparently over your head. |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:16:57 -0800, "ScottW" wrote: I see your great state is home to some interesting communities. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/18/county.gays.ap/ Oh yeah, although they just backed down. Also, I'll note that the only Republican to either abstain or vote no on the bill that you have referenced came from Tennessee (he abstained). I edited out all of the parts that made you look stupid, BTW. I hope you are grateful, since you don't seem to have a clue about the inner workings of our government. You just keep hating Dave. It's all you got. ScottW |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:37:10 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote: You just keep hating Dave. I actually like Dave. He's got a great monologue. |
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Yanni's Codpiece-Slammer said:
I'm going to have to do some research. Someone I trust described a very different state of affairs. I don't want to comment further until I know what I'm talking about specifically. Wow! What a refreshing statement to make on Usenet. One can easily imagine a plague of locusts accompanying a similar statement from Arny. Boon |
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All the Arnii imitatiors hear are getting better at Krooglush then Arnii is,
LOt"S! He mist being so jolusse!!! "George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Marc Phillips said: Yanni's Codpiece-Slammer said: I'm going to have to do some research. Someone I trust described a very different state of affairs. I don't want to comment further until I know what I'm talking about specifically. Wow! What a refreshing statement to make on Usenet. One can easily imagine a plague of locusts accompanying a similar statement from Arny. Tell us Phillops how you know so much about, the bible Philip's. Its like you talk to God when I am the Christian and you're house is full of tubes. What a bigit! LOL! If you and yore co-thugs didn't look the other way when I proove your lies are true. Obviously you have locusts where your brains should be. Oh wait, its your brain on the meat slicer again PHillips. Maybe I should claim victory now or perhaps Philip's you want to enroll in All Quida before God smites you again? I should just prove you hate music again, which is so easy its like you call yourself "Vinyle Anackronist" because you're NOT jealous of everything I say? ;-) If you're hands are so dirty Phillips maybe Sander's can help you wash, LOt"S. |
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Jaime Sandors wrote:
All the Arnii imitatiors hear are getting better at Krooglush then Arnii is, LOt"S! He mist being so jolusse!!! Proove et. Thanks for admitting your part of the RAO consparussy plained by the toob and vinal bigits. Their are know typos in my posts - never!!, it is impossibull !! I can wipe all you thugs with $ 100 bills the next tyme I flosh!!!! Bruce J. Richman |
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In article ,
(Mikermckelvy) wrote: From: MINe 109 Not really. Everybody respects his service, for 4 months he did well in the miltary. For the next 20 plus years he's been trying to eviscerate That's the problem with the Dems, they think Defense is something to be gutted if the want to throw money at a social program. I think you left the radio on. Sounds like Rush. I never heard him say it, but it's one of the things I would agree with him on. Cheney had something to say about gutting defense. To tarnish Kerry, the right has reached back more than 30 years to develop a narrative that transforms him from hero to traitor, by distorting his anti-war activism after he returned from Vietnam. He's the one who keeps reaching back. He's trying to meake it seem that because he went to VN and was decorated that he hasn't been gutting national defense ever since he got into the Senate. Doesn't that bug the Republicans. . Bush's chicken-hawk crowd found "other priorities" when it came to actually fighting. Bush put himself into the miltary in an honorable way. He fulfilled his duty. Even if you take him at his word, he left early to go to business school. That he didn't volunteer to go into combat for political reason as Kerry did shouldn't be held against him. Why not? One of those "political" reasons was patriotism. They hope to convince America that by testifying and organizing for peace, the young Navy lieutenant somehow "dishonored" his fellow sailors and soldiers. When you working with Jane Fonda you are doing just that. I count the Purple Hearts higher. I guarantee you that almost none of the regular forces sent to RVN thought the war was fought well or for any good reason. I will also guarantee you that the majority of those same people hate Fonda for her trip to NVN and anyone who worked with her after that trip. The fake photo with Fonda? Their were 2 photos. One that has them at a rally together and one that puts them side by side, the second one is editing, the first one is not. Kerry was at least one event with Fonda. Who married Turner, who founded CNN. Therefore, all news is tainted. *All* GIs? You haven't noticed the vets who turn out for his appearances, have you? have you noticed the even larger number who don't? Who are you, Samuel Goldwyn? |