Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.

wrote:
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.



Try he

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

DAve

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Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a
CD burner for some time, it occured to me that there may
or may not be differences in blank media, such as there
are in blank analog tape.

There *are* differences among different kinds and samples of media.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative
differences in blank CD or DVD media?

The results of qualitataive differences show up as differences in error
rates and compatibility with different players.

So the differences don't show up so much as sound quality, but how much
error recovery is going on in the background. If there are uncorrectable
errors, then you may hear skips, tics and pops, or the media may not play in
that player at all.

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any
sort of definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems
that it is not something that any particular attention
has been paid.

A great deal of attention is paid to error rates.

DaveW wrote:
wrote:
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.



Try he

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

DAve

Hard to agree with the findings there, since of all the brands listed,
the only one I have had a problem with was one of their so called 1st
class media, namely TDK. I used one of the DL's to backup Bridge on
the River Kwai, one of my all time favorite movies, and the disk will
stop in mid scene and restart at another chapter point.

I've used some of each of the other classes listed, including store
brands and had no problems at all. Maybe I've been lucky. Time wil
tell.

wrote in message
ups.com...
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.

Yes. You are ill-informed, igorant, and suffer from general mental
mediocrity. However, I'll try to explain to you what your inadequate
Googling skills could not pick up.

There is a spec called "block error rate", BLER. All optical media have
numerous errors of manufacture, which are normally hidden by the fact that
the data is recorded using error correcting codes. However, the number of
errors per block differs between brands, grades, and types.

However, the higher the BLER, the higher the probability the media will fail
in use, ie. fail to be read on some device.

The BLER is the primary metric for differentiating quality levels of optical
media.

soundhaspriority wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.

Yes. You are ill-informed, igorant, and suffer from general mental
mediocrity. However, I'll try to explain to you what your inadequate
Googling skills could not pick up.


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least informed people
in the world on real audio differences.

There is a spec called "block error rate", BLER. All optical media have
numerous errors of manufacture, which are normally hidden by the fact that
the data is recorded using error correcting codes. However, the number of
errors per block differs between brands, grades, and types.

However, the higher the BLER, the higher the probability the media will fail
in use, ie. fail to be read on some device.

The BLER is the primary metric for differentiating quality levels of optical
media.

Time will tell, so far none of the medi I've used have had any problem
other than the one TDK disk I mentioned.

spammer trash wrote in message
ups.com...

soundhaspriority wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.

Yes. You are ill-informed, igorant, and suffer from general mental
mediocrity. However, I'll try to explain to you what your inadequate
Googling skills could not pick up.


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least informed people
in the world on real audio differences.

There is a spec called "block error rate", BLER. All optical media have
numerous errors of manufacture, which are normally hidden by the fact
that
the data is recorded using error correcting codes. However, the number of
errors per block differs between brands, grades, and types.

However, the higher the BLER, the higher the probability the media will
fail
in use, ie. fail to be read on some device.

The BLER is the primary metric for differentiating quality levels of
optical
media.

Time will tell, so far none of the medi I've used have had any problem
other than the one TDK disk I mentioned.

You are spammer trash.

spammer trash wrote in message
ups.com...

soundhaspriority wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a CD burner for
some time, it occured to me that there may or may not be differences in
blank media, such as there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative differences in
blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find any sort of
definitive tests on the subject, indeed it seems that it is not
something that any particular attention has been paid.

Yes. You are ill-informed, igorant, and suffer from general mental
mediocrity. However, I'll try to explain to you what your inadequate
Googling skills could not pick up.


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least informed people
in the world on real audio differences.

There is a spec called "block error rate", BLER. All optical media have
numerous errors of manufacture, which are normally hidden by the fact
that
the data is recorded using error correcting codes. However, the number of
errors per block differs between brands, grades, and types.

However, the higher the BLER, the higher the probability the media will
fail
in use, ie. fail to be read on some device.

The BLER is the primary metric for differentiating quality levels of
optical
media.

Time will tell, so far none of the medi I've used have had any problem
other than the one TDK disk I mentioned.

You are spammer trash.

Sorry guys, *I* am spammer trash.

Luv,
Bob

On 24 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "
wrote:


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least informed people
in the world on real audio differences.

Perhaps then you'd like to inform us about the "real audio
differences" between CD players and amps.

I expect at least ten paragraphs.

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "
wrote:


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least informed people
in the world on real audio differences.

Perhaps then you'd like to inform us about the "real audio
differences" between CD players and amps.

I expect at least ten paragraphs.

I'm afraid the best we can hope for is a couple hundred

"I will not spam or plagiarize on usenet newsgroups."

wrote in message
ups.com
soundhaspriority wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Having recently purchased a DVD burner and having had a
CD burner for some time, it occured to me that there
may or may not be differences in blank media, such as
there are in blank analog tape.

Is there any research that indicates any qualitative
differences in blank CD or DVD media?

Having searched Google already, I was unable to find
any sort of definitive tests on the subject, indeed it
seems that it is not something that any particular
attention has been paid.

Yes. You are ill-informed, igorant, and suffer from
general mental mediocrity. However, I'll try to explain
to you what your inadequate Googling skills could not
pick up.


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least
informed people in the world on real audio differences.

There is a spec called "block error rate", BLER. All
optical media have numerous errors of manufacture, which
are normally hidden by the fact that the data is
recorded using error correcting codes. However, the
number of errors per block differs between brands,
grades, and types.

However, the higher the BLER, the higher the probability
the media will fail in use, ie. fail to be read on some
device.

The BLER is the primary metric for differentiating
quality levels of optical media.

Time will tell, so far none of the medi I've used have
had any problem other than the one TDK disk I mentioned.

TDK used to make their own recordable media, but the recent product I've
seen from them was made by CMC.

"paul packer" wrote in message

On 24 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "
wrote:


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least
informed people in the world on real audio differences.

Perhaps then you'd like to inform us about the "real audio
differences" between CD players and amps.

Generally much less than self-appointed radical subjectivist *eggspurts*
claim.

I expect at least ten paragraphs.

You're not worth the trouble, because your posts are so predictable.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:38:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On 24 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "
wrote:


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least
informed people in the world on real audio differences.

Perhaps then you'd like to inform us about the "real audio
differences" between CD players and amps.

Generally much less than self-appointed radical subjectivist *eggspurts*
claim.

But much more than most solder jockeys claim, eh?

I expect at least ten paragraphs.

You're not worth the trouble, because your posts are so predictable.

Usually even I don't know what I'm going to say. You must be very
clever, Arnie.

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:38:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On 24 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "
wrote:


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least
informed people in the world on real audio differences.

Perhaps then you'd like to inform us about the "real
audio differences" between CD players and amps.

Generally much less than self-appointed radical
subjectivist *eggspurts* claim.

But much more than most solder jockeys claim, eh?

What is a solder jockey?

I expect at least ten paragraphs.

You're not worth the trouble, because your posts are so
predictable.

Usually even I don't know what I'm going to say.

That's probably still true after you say it, Paul.

You must be very clever, Arnie.

No, but my command of the obvious is not wholly defective.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


paul packer said:

Generally much less than self-appointed radical subjectivist *eggspurts*

But much more than most solder jockeys claim, eh?

There you go again. ;-) Soldering is a noble calling. Without soldering,
you wouldn't have any audio stuff at all. And without being able to boast
about eckthpurteethe in soldering, the Krooborg would be just another
obnoxious, rabid, paranoid nerd.

You're not worth the trouble, because your posts are so predictable.

Usually even I don't know what I'm going to say. You must be very
clever, Arnie.

You think so? I thought soldering fumes were supposed to be harmless.

You don't say Arny has lead poisoning?
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:21:04 -0400, "soundhaspriority"
wrote:


"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


paul packer said:

Generally much less than self-appointed radical subjectivist *eggspurts*

But much more than most solder jockeys claim, eh?

There you go again. ;-) Soldering is a noble calling. Without soldering,
you wouldn't have any audio stuff at all. And without being able to boast
about eckthpurteethe in soldering, the Krooborg would be just another
obnoxious, rabid, paranoid nerd.

You're not worth the trouble, because your posts are so predictable.

Usually even I don't know what I'm going to say. You must be very
clever, Arnie.

You think so? I thought soldering fumes were supposed to be harmless.

You don't say Arny has lead poisoning?

No, but if George had a gun that could be the result. :-)

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:05:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:38:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

On 24 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "
wrote:


That from RAO's reverse barometer, and one of the least
informed people in the world on real audio differences.

Perhaps then you'd like to inform us about the "real
audio differences" between CD players and amps.

Generally much less than self-appointed radical
subjectivist *eggspurts* claim.

But much more than most solder jockeys claim, eh?

What is a solder jockey?

A person who rides a soldering iron. Duh!

I expect at least ten paragraphs.

You're not worth the trouble, because your posts are so
predictable.

Usually even I don't know what I'm going to say.

That's probably still true after you say it, Paul.

Want to have a lucidity and logic competition, Arnie?

You must be very clever, Arnie.

No, but my command of the obvious is not wholly defective.

Is that why you don't notice that everyone's against you?

"paul packer" wrote in message


Is that why you don't notice that everyone's against you?

No, it has something to do with my living in the real world, as opposed to
you living in the world that exists only in your mind, Paul.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:52:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message


Is that why you don't notice that everyone's against you?

No, it has something to do with my living in the real world, as opposed to
you living in the world that exists only in your mind, Paul.

But it's your mind I'm worried about, Arnie.

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:52:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message


Is that why you don't notice that everyone's against
you?

No, it has something to do with my living in the real
world, as opposed to you living in the world that exists
only in your mind, Paul.

But it's your mind I'm worried about, Arnie.

Your efforts along that regard would seem to be better engaged closer to
your home.

(paul packer) said:


But much more than most solder jockeys claim, eh?


What is a solder jockey?


A person who rides a soldering iron. Duh!


What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?
(Be very careful now!)

--
"All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others".

Sander deWaal said:

What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?
(Be very careful now!)

Possibly nothing is wrong with some of them, but there's always the
guilt-by-association factor. It's similar to the aBxism religion. Some
posters are willing to discuss it reasonably, without the preaching and
screeching. Because of the Krooborg and its henchcreatures, however, the
entire subject has acquired a certain amount of radioactivity.




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
said:


Sander deWaal said:

What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?
(Be very careful now!)


Possibly nothing is wrong with some of them, but there's always the
guilt-by-association factor. It's similar to the aBxism religion. Some
posters are willing to discuss it reasonably, without the preaching and
screeching. Because of the Krooborg and its henchcreatures, however, the
entire subject has acquired a certain amount of radioactivity.


Thank's Medusa for admitting, you're sockpupeeting "Paul Pecker"
travesty is as transperant Sander as jetfighter's that go "BOOM" Jenn.

--
"All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others".

Sander deWaal said:

What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?

Possibly nothing is wrong with some of them, but there's always the
guilt-by-association factor. It's similar to the aBxism religion. Some
posters are willing to discuss it reasonably, without the preaching and
screeching. Because of the Krooborg and its henchcreatures, however, the
entire subject has acquired a certain amount of radioactivity.

Thank's Medusa for admitting, you're sockpupeeting "Paul Pecker"
travesty is as transperant Sander as jetfighter's that go "BOOM" Jenn.

If I weren't busy feeding the cat, I'd certainly have time to poke out
your eyes, sockpuppet. You devotees of tweako-freako audio are all goofy
true believers in black magic and voodoo. If I had become a slick
journalist and received extra payoffs from tweako-freako manufacturers who
were intent upon keeping the mumbo-jumbo machine moving right along, you
can bet your bottom dollar that high-end audio would be zooming alongside
the jet fighters today.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Slick.




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...


Your efforts along that regard would seem to be better engaged closer to
your home.


Translated from Krooglish:
Don't rely on Detroit metro transit. Bring your
own bus.



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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:43:37 -0400, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



Sander deWaal said:

What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?
(Be very careful now!)

Possibly nothing is wrong with some of them,

Exactly. The term generally suggests those like Arnie who's faith is
totally in measurement. There's nothing inherently sinful in
soldering; I've even done a little of it myself. :-)

(paul packer) said:


What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?
(Be very careful now!)


Possibly nothing is wrong with some of them,


Exactly. The term generally suggests those like Arnie who's faith is
totally in measurement. There's nothing inherently sinful in
soldering; I've even done a little of it myself. :-)


We have a guy working for us, whose goal in life is to deliver perfect
solder joints.
Each and every joint he produces, is indeed perfect, shiny and evenly
shaped.

I regard that as some kind of art.
I can solder pretty well, but I can't stand in his shadow.

The same guy doesn't know a resistor from an opamp, let alone he knows
how to use an oscilloscope ar a mere Fluke multimeter.

In my work, I rely also on measuring equipment.
I make use of an Audio Professional analyzer, a MLSSA and a Monkey
Forest measuring computer, and a variety of gear such as tone
generators, oscilloscopes and multimeters.

I don't put my faith in them totally, but they're a great help!

--
"All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others".

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:40:23 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

(paul packer) said:


What's wrong with solder jockeys, Paul?
(Be very careful now!)


Possibly nothing is wrong with some of them,


Exactly. The term generally suggests those like Arnie who's faith is
totally in measurement. There's nothing inherently sinful in
soldering; I've even done a little of it myself. :-)


We have a guy working for us, whose goal in life is to deliver perfect
solder joints.
Each and every joint he produces, is indeed perfect, shiny and evenly
shaped.

I regard that as some kind of art.
I can solder pretty well, but I can't stand in his shadow.

The same guy doesn't know a resistor from an opamp, let alone he knows
how to use an oscilloscope ar a mere Fluke multimeter.

In my work, I rely also on measuring equipment.
I make use of an Audio Professional analyzer, a MLSSA and a Monkey
Forest measuring computer, and a variety of gear such as tone
generators, oscilloscopes and multimeters.

I don't put my faith in them totally, but they're a great help!

Of course. And I'd be the last to suggest otherwise. :-)