'Bout time somebody tells it like it is about the Bush gang. This time they
ain't dealin' with no Mickey Mouse Michael Dukakis.

Apology? How about this: "I am *so* sorry you pigs are pigs but I guess you
just can't help it."

Bush Campaign Demands Apology
Kerry Called GOP Critics 'Crooked'
By MIKE GLOVER, AP

WASHINGTON (March 11) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called
Wednesday for deeper tax cuts for the middle class than proposed by President
Bush and described his Republican critics as ''the most crooked ... lying group
I've ever seen.'' The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on Kerry
to apologize ''for this negative attack.''

PM

"Professor Midnite" wrote in message
...
'Bout time somebody tells it like it is about the Bush gang. This time
they
ain't dealin' with no Mickey Mouse Michael Dukakis.

Apology? How about this: "I am *so* sorry you pigs are pigs but I guess
you
just can't help it."

Looks like Kerry just made Dubya cry like a baby. Will Dubya now take his
bat and ball and go home???

"Professor Midnite" wrote in message
...
'Bout time somebody tells it like it is about the Bush gang. This time
they
ain't dealin' with no Mickey Mouse Michael Dukakis.

Apology? How about this: "I am *so* sorry you pigs are pigs but I guess
you
just can't help it."

Bush Campaign Demands Apology
Kerry Called GOP Critics 'Crooked'
By MIKE GLOVER, AP

WASHINGTON (March 11) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry
called
Wednesday for deeper tax cuts for the middle class than proposed by
President
Bush and described his Republican critics as ''the most crooked ... lying
group
I've ever seen.'' The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on
Kerry
to apologize ''for this negative attack.''

Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry has no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all that
free advertising. :0)~

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"Professor Midnite" wrote in message
...
'Bout time somebody tells it like it is about the Bush gang. This time
they
ain't dealin' with no Mickey Mouse Michael Dukakis.

Apology? How about this: "I am *so* sorry you pigs are pigs but I guess
you
just can't help it."

Bush Campaign Demands Apology
Kerry Called GOP Critics 'Crooked'
By MIKE GLOVER, AP

WASHINGTON (March 11) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry
called
Wednesday for deeper tax cuts for the middle class than proposed by
President
Bush and described his Republican critics as ''the most crooked ...
lying
group
I've ever seen.'' The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on
Kerry
to apologize ''for this negative attack.''

Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry has no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all that
free advertising. :0)~



Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

Dick Morris suggests that the candidate himself take
the high road and look Presidential, and let the ads, with
someone else's voice, do the attacking.




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From: "Sandman"
Date: 3/12/04 10:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Professor Midnite" wrote in message
...
'Bout time somebody tells it like it is about the Bush gang. This time
they
ain't dealin' with no Mickey Mouse Michael Dukakis.

Apology? How about this: "I am *so* sorry you pigs are pigs but I guess
you
just can't help it."

Bush Campaign Demands Apology
Kerry Called GOP Critics 'Crooked'
By MIKE GLOVER, AP

WASHINGTON (March 11) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry
called
Wednesday for deeper tax cuts for the middle class than proposed by
President
Bush and described his Republican critics as ''the most crooked ... lying
group
I've ever seen.'' The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on
Kerry
to apologize ''for this negative attack.''

Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry has no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all that
free advertising. :0)~




They are hearing an unsubstaniated accusation. If he thinks there are crroked
people in the GOP he should have the balls to name them. He won't of course,
because to do so would be to reveal him for what senible people already know
him to be, a liar.

"Sandman" wrote in message
...


Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry has no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

ScottW

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

ScottW

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Clangity-yappity-yap.

Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Yes, sweep all the dirty crimes under the rug and pretend
everything's fine. Sounds Republican to me.

I don't mind Kerry steppin up and callin people liars.

He just has to support the claim more effectively than
you do on RAO.

ScottW

In article zZu4c.12517$Nj.5379@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and indiscretion?

Stephen

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.




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"MINe 109" wrote in message
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"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and indiscretion?

Stephen




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"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
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"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and indiscretion?


It makes him a Bush leaguer.




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"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article zZu4c.12517$Nj.5379@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and indiscretion?

He was talking about the media. Obviously not a problem.

ScottW

(Mikermckelvy) wrote in message ...
They are hearing an unsubstaniated accusation. If he thinks there are crroked
people in the GOP he should have the balls to name them. He won't of course,
because to do so would be to reveal him for what senible people already know
him to be, a liar.

Haliburton, yes?
A lame example. Bush lies!
His buddies get rich.

Ken Lay is still free.
Martha goes to jail, though.
Power. Man. Woman.

Christina Whitman
Ruined by the bush buddies.
Just coincidence?

Colin Powell ruined.
Ruined by the bush buddies!
Got a clue why? Huh?

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.\

1. He knew perfectly well his mike was on - that's how he played Karl Rove,
et. all like a fiddle, and it worked.

2. He kept the reference to "Republican critics" prefectly and
intentionally vague, anticipating just the response the right-wing
bobble-heads would come up with in knee-jerk fashion - claiming that Kerry
was talking about Bush. Kerry didn't have to name Bush, and purposely
didn't - his remarks on their face can be taken as innocently criticizing
the right-wing idiots resposible for those pasted pictures of Jane Fonda
next to Kerry on their websites at anti-war rallies during the Vietnam War.
Meanwhile, he's making the right-wingers look like a bunch of frightened,
irrational whiners, pretending he was deliberately aiming his attacks at
Bush personally. So Kerry got away with it all - without mentioning Bush,
the message of his opponents is making Bush out to be the target, which
gives Kerry great publicity, and makes Bush look bad, while really only
pointing vaguely to his detractors as a whole. And he's reaped a ton of
free TV coverage as a result of it all.

You don't think politicians in Washington, including *all* the Bush people
talk like this in private about their opponents? By making it appear that
was all he was doing, while knowing perfectly well his mike was on, he
pulled off a major media coup, and has the Repukes on the hypocritical
defensive, making them look *very* pathetic in the public's perception.

"ScottW" wrote in message
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"Sandman" wrote in message
...


Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep
whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry has
no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

Given time, virtually every leader of every country will speak out - the
ones he met let him know that they're fed up with Bush and want a change,
and Kerry is their man.

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.\

1. He knew perfectly well his mike was on - that's how he played Karl
Rove,
et. all like a fiddle, and it worked.

2. He kept the reference to "Republican critics" prefectly and
intentionally vague, anticipating just the response the right-wing
bobble-heads would come up with in knee-jerk fashion - claiming that Kerry
was talking about Bush. Kerry didn't have to name Bush, and purposely
didn't - his remarks on their face can be taken as innocently criticizing
the right-wing idiots resposible for those pasted pictures of Jane Fonda
next to Kerry on their websites at anti-war rallies during the Vietnam
War.
Meanwhile, he's making the right-wingers look like a bunch of frightened,
irrational whiners, pretending he was deliberately aiming his attacks at
Bush personally. So Kerry got away with it all - without mentioning Bush,
the message of his opponents is making Bush out to be the target, which
gives Kerry great publicity, and makes Bush look bad, while really only
pointing vaguely to his detractors as a whole. And he's reaped a ton of
free TV coverage as a result of it all.

You don't think politicians in Washington, including *all* the Bush people
talk like this in private about their opponents? By making it appear that
was all he was doing, while knowing perfectly well his mike was on, he
pulled off a major media coup, and has the Repukes on the hypocritical
defensive, making them look *very* pathetic in the public's perception.



So, its all a staged pretense? That says a lot.in itself.




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"ScottW" wrote in message
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"Sandman" wrote in message
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Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep
whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry has
no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

Given time, virtually every leader of every country will speak out - the
ones he met let him know that they're fed up with Bush and want a change,
and Kerry is their man.



Ones he met?
A check of his travel records indicates that he he
didn't go anywhere and meet with any foreign leaders lately.
Another lie.




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"ScottW" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article zZu4c.12517$Nj.5379@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and indiscretion?

He was talking about the media. Obviously not a problem.

So, yes?

Why would Bush be ungrateful to the media? Instead of examining the
issues last time round, the electorate was given "inventing the
internet" jokes while Bush got a free pass.

Stephen

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"ScottW" wrote in message
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"Sandman" wrote in message
...


Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep
whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry
has
no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

Given time, virtually every leader of every country will speak out - the
ones he met let him know that they're fed up with Bush and want a change,
and Kerry is their man.

Excellent. When it does become public, I suspect it will backfire on
Kerry. Americans can be fiercely independent.

ScottW

In article mVH4c.12643$Nj.6159@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:Uft4c.12496$Nj.670@fed1read01...

"Sandman" wrote in message
...


Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep
whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile, Kerry
has
no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

Given time, virtually every leader of every country will speak out - the
ones he met let him know that they're fed up with Bush and want a change,
and Kerry is their man.

Excellent. When it does become public, I suspect it will backfire on
Kerry. Americans can be fiercely independent.

Wait a minute: you just implied it was bad that Kerry hasn't been
endorsed by foreign leaders. Now it would bad if he is?

Stephen

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article mVH4c.12643$Nj.6159@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:Uft4c.12496$Nj.670@fed1read01...

"Sandman" wrote in message
...


Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's
still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep
whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile,
Kerry
has
no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people
are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for
all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

Given time, virtually every leader of every country will speak out -
the
ones he met let him know that they're fed up with Bush and want a
change,
and Kerry is their man.

Excellent. When it does become public, I suspect it will backfire on
Kerry. Americans can be fiercely independent.

Wait a minute: you just implied it was bad that Kerry hasn't been
endorsed by foreign leaders.

Another false assumption. You're on a roll.

I implied he was lying about endorsements.

Now it would bad if he is?

You think endorsements from France, Germany, China,
N. Korea etc are gonna sway this countries vote.
They may, but I doubt you will see Kerry publicizing
endorsement from any of these nations.

ScottW

In article H7L4c.12674$Nj.3263@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article mVH4c.12643$Nj.6159@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:Uft4c.12496$Nj.670@fed1read01...

"Sandman" wrote in message
...


Looks like Kerry played Karl Rove, et. al. like a fiddle. He's
still
getting all this free play on TV as his "Republican critics" keep
whining
about it and the footage keeps getting replayed. Meanwhile,
Kerry
has
no
reason to apologize, because what he said was true - and people
are
hearing
it over and over again, and Kerry didn't have to spend a dime for
all
that
free advertising. :0)~


Very Presidential. I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why. Beyond Kim Jong-il, who believes he can extort more
for less from the democrats, what other leader has spoken out?

Given time, virtually every leader of every country will speak out -
the
ones he met let him know that they're fed up with Bush and want a
change,
and Kerry is their man.

Excellent. When it does become public, I suspect it will backfire on
Kerry. Americans can be fiercely independent.

Wait a minute: you just implied it was bad that Kerry hasn't been
endorsed by foreign leaders.

Another false assumption. You're on a roll.

"I'd like to see a list of foreign leaders..."

I implied he was lying about endorsements.

Now it would bad if he is?

You think endorsements from France, Germany, China,
N. Korea etc are gonna sway this countries vote.

Talk about false assumptions.

They may, but I doubt you will see Kerry publicizing
endorsement from any of these nations.

The argument is that many foreign leaders would like to see Bush lose
the election.

Stephen

Sandman wrote:

2. He kept the reference to "Republican critics" prefectly and
intentionally vague, anticipating just the response the right-wing
bobble-heads would come up with in knee-jerk fashion - claiming that Kerry
was talking about Bush. Kerry didn't have to name Bush, and purposely
didn't - his remarks on their face can be taken as innocently criticizing
the right-wing idiots resposible for those pasted pictures of Jane Fonda
next to Kerry on their websites at anti-war rallies during the Vietnam War.
Meanwhile, he's making the right-wingers look like a bunch of frightened,
irrational whiners, pretending he was deliberately aiming his attacks at
Bush personally. So Kerry got away with it all - without mentioning Bush,
the message of his opponents is making Bush out to be the target, which
gives Kerry great publicity, and makes Bush look bad, while really only
pointing vaguely to his detractors as a whole. And he's reaped a ton of
free TV coverage as a result of it all.

This is why Kerry will win. He's smart enough to think of ways to
make Bush look like a fool on his own without handlers or advisors.

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

So, its all a staged pretense? That says a lot.in itself.

No, merely that he saw an opportunity to make Bush look like
a rube and Bush fell for it. Typical compaigning stuff.

Just wait until their first debate. Kerry's going to
do the same thing Noam Chomsky does in debates. While
you may or may not like Chomsky, he has a fantastic level
of skill in making his opponents look like adject morons
when they try to debate with him. Amazing to watch, actually.

Bush is in for so much hurt.

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...

Wait a minute: you just implied it was bad that Kerry hasn't been
endorsed by foreign leaders.

Another false assumption. You're on a roll.

"I'd like to see a list of foreign leaders..."

No implication here.

I implied he was lying about endorsements.

Did you miss this or conveniently ignore it?


Now it would bad if he is?

You think endorsements from France, Germany, China,
N. Korea etc are gonna sway this countries vote.

Talk about false assumptions.

They may, but I doubt you will see Kerry publicizing
endorsement from any of these nations.

The argument is that many foreign leaders would like to see Bush lose
the election.

And depending on those leaders, it might be bad for Kerry.

ScottW

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"ScottW" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...

Wait a minute: you just implied it was bad that Kerry hasn't been
endorsed by foreign leaders.

Another false assumption. You're on a roll.

"I'd like to see a list of foreign leaders..."

No implication here.

I implied he was lying about endorsements.

Did you miss this or conveniently ignore it?

Missed it. Implication of malice noted.

Now it would bad if he is?

You think endorsements from France, Germany, China,
N. Korea etc are gonna sway this countries vote.

Talk about false assumptions.

Sticking with it?

They may, but I doubt you will see Kerry publicizing
endorsement from any of these nations.

The argument is that many foreign leaders would like to see Bush lose
the election.

And depending on those leaders, it might be bad for Kerry.

Yup.

Stephen

From: George M. Middius
Date: 3/12/04 7:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


Yes, sweep all the dirty crimes under the rug and pretend
everything's fine. Sounds Republican to me.


Sounds exactly the leftist view of economics. Raise taxes until they cause a
recession then when reveues fail, claim it can all be fixed by raising taxes.

Demands Apology -- ROFLMAO
From: MINe 109
Date: 3/13/04 7:33 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article Sgx4c.12571$Nj.3900@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article zZu4c.12517$Nj.5379@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and indiscretion?

He was talking about the media. Obviously not a problem.

So, yes?

Why would Bush be ungrateful to the media?

Because in the case of the NY Times they have a very obvious left wing agenda.
He called one person an asshole, that's not the same as calling the whole GOP
crooks without any names or actual evidence.

Instead of examining the
issues last time round, the electorate was given "inventing the
internet" jokes while Bush got a free pass.


There was the little matter of the fact that Gore ran an unbelievably bad
campaign.

He couldn't even win his own state.

Bush may have gotten some slack the first time around because he was and still
is percieved by many as a genuinely nice guy.

After 8 years of Clinton and the nastiness of Gore as a campaigner it wouldn't
be all that hard to imagine some reporters felling like they could show him a
bit of grace.

From: Joseph Oberlander
Date: 3/13/04 3:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .net

Sandman wrote:

2. He kept the reference to "Republican critics" prefectly and
intentionally vague, anticipating just the response the right-wing
bobble-heads would come up with in knee-jerk fashion - claiming that Kerry
was talking about Bush. Kerry didn't have to name Bush, and purposely
didn't - his remarks on their face can be taken as innocently criticizing
the right-wing idiots resposible for those pasted pictures of Jane Fonda
next to Kerry on their websites at anti-war rallies during the Vietnam War.
Meanwhile, he's making the right-wingers look like a bunch of frightened,
irrational whiners, pretending he was deliberately aiming his attacks at
Bush personally. So Kerry got away with it all - without mentioning Bush,
the message of his opponents is making Bush out to be the target, which
gives Kerry great publicity, and makes Bush look bad, while really only
pointing vaguely to his detractors as a whole. And he's reaped a ton of
free TV coverage as a result of it all.

This is why Kerry will win. He's smart enough to think of ways to
make Bush look like a fool on his own without handlers or advisors.


But he's not smart enough to have not been an idiot for his entire time in the
Senate.

Demands Apology -- ROFLMAO
From: Joseph Oberlander
Date: 3/13/04 3:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: k.net

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

So, its all a staged pretense? That says a lot.in itself.

No, merely that he saw an opportunity to make Bush look like
a rube and Bush fell for it. Typical compaigning stuff.


Isn't that a sad state of affairs. It is however normal for the left, since
they can't run on doing anything good for the country.

Just wait until their first debate.

Debates usually only occur when an incumbent is in trouble. With 8 months to
go and teh size of Bush's campaign coffers vs. Kerry's I doubt that there will
be a debate. The ratings Bush has now are going to go higer and higher as
Kerry is shown for turd he is.

Yustabe said:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
.. .


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.

Are we forgetting about the time when Bush pointed out a reporter to Cheney
during a press conference and said "That guy's an asshole," and the microphones
picked it up?

Boon

In article ,
(Mikermckelvy) wrote:

Demands Apology -- ROFLMAO
From: MINe 109
Date: 3/13/04 7:33 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article Sgx4c.12571$Nj.3900@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article zZu4c.12517$Nj.5379@fed1read01,
"ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Only to the Bush hating left. The rest of America realizes
that this kind of stupidy and indiscretion is not particularly
desirable in a president.

Bush called that Times guy a "major-league" something or other before
the last election. Is that a different kind of stupidiy and
indiscretion?

He was talking about the media. Obviously not a problem.

So, yes?

Why would Bush be ungrateful to the media?

Because in the case of the NY Times they have a very obvious left wing
agenda.

That explains why they buried Gore in the last election.

He called one person an asshole, that's not the same as calling the whole GOP
crooks without any names or actual evidence.

Crooked. Considering the considerable distortions of his voting record
and the attempted class warfare, Kerry might feel he has evidence.

Instead of examining the
issues last time round, the electorate was given "inventing the
internet" jokes while Bush got a free pass.


There was the little matter of the fact that Gore ran an unbelievably bad
campaign.

He couldn't even win his own state.

Perhaps, but even a good campaign needs some cooperation from the media.

Bush may have gotten some slack the first time around because he was and
still is percieved by many as a genuinely nice guy.

Odd, because he isn't.

After 8 years of Clinton and the nastiness of Gore as a campaigner it
wouldn't
be all that hard to imagine some reporters felling like they could show him a
bit of grace.

It's true the press corps seemed to have it in for Clinton and Gore.
What was that about liberal bias?

Stephen

Mikermckelvy wrote:

From: Joseph Oberlander
Date: 3/13/04 3:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .net

Sandman wrote:


2. He kept the reference to "Republican critics" prefectly and
intentionally vague, anticipating just the response the right-wing
bobble-heads would come up with in knee-jerk fashion - claiming that Kerry
was talking about Bush. Kerry didn't have to name Bush, and purposely
didn't - his remarks on their face can be taken as innocently criticizing
the right-wing idiots resposible for those pasted pictures of Jane Fonda
next to Kerry on their websites at anti-war rallies during the Vietnam War.
Meanwhile, he's making the right-wingers look like a bunch of frightened,
irrational whiners, pretending he was deliberately aiming his attacks at
Bush personally. So Kerry got away with it all - without mentioning Bush,
the message of his opponents is making Bush out to be the target, which
gives Kerry great publicity, and makes Bush look bad, while really only
pointing vaguely to his detractors as a whole. And he's reaped a ton of
free TV coverage as a result of it all.

This is why Kerry will win. He's smart enough to think of ways to
make Bush look like a fool on his own without handlers or advisors.



But he's not smart enough to have not been an idiot for his entire time in the
Senate.

Compared to Bush's idiot the whole time he was Governor?

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...
Yustabe said:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
.. .


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.

Are we forgetting about the time when Bush pointed out a reporter to
Cheney
during a press conference and said "That guy's an asshole," and the
microphones
picked it up?

Boon

No. And that is a comment related to the personality of one indivdual, who
was a reporter. Kerry was referring to criminality, and it was directed
against his oppoents. At any rate, I was pointing to it as bad camapign
strategy,
if it was done on purpose. It makes him look like an asshole, not a leader.




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Yustabe said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...
Yustabe said:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
.. .


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.

Are we forgetting about the time when Bush pointed out a reporter to
Cheney
during a press conference and said "That guy's an asshole," and the
microphones
picked it up?

Boon

No. And that is a comment related to the personality of one indivdual, who
was a reporter. Kerry was referring to criminality, and it was directed
against his oppoents. At any rate, I was pointing to it as bad camapign
strategy,
if it was done on purpose. It makes him look like an asshole, not a leader.


And Bush didn't look like an asshole when he did it?

Boon

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
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Yustabe said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...
Yustabe said:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
.. .


Socky is cornered by reality.

Not a good strategy at all.
Kerry comes off like an asshole.

On this occasion, he comes off as a courageous teller of dirty
secrets. If Kerry wins the election, the stench of the dirty deals
by Dubya & Co. that will be uncovered will envelop the entire
federal government.

Dick Morris suggests

One can't help but observe that when Kerry didn't contradict your
agenda of hatred against gays, you held him up as a role model.


There isn't anything out there of any substance. There isn't enough
to even begin an investigation.

If Kerry is so courageous, how come he made his snide
comments when he thought he was off mike? Then, when
asked about it publicly, he wouldn't even say specifically
who he was talking about. Yes, some courage.

Are we forgetting about the time when Bush pointed out a reporter to
Cheney
during a press conference and said "That guy's an asshole," and the
microphones
picked it up?

Boon

No. And that is a comment related to the personality of one indivdual,
who
was a reporter. Kerry was referring to criminality, and it was directed
against his oppoents. At any rate, I was pointing to it as bad camapign
strategy,
if it was done on purpose. It makes him look like an asshole, not a
leader.


And Bush didn't look like an asshole when he did it?


I don't remember that soundclip. Point being, regarding Kerry,
it wasn't just what he said, but how he said it.




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"ScottW" wrote in message
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I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why.

Unlike domestic political figures, foreign leaders are not in the habit of
publicly "endorsing" American presidential candidates.

OTOH, a British pol recently predicted that if the entire planet could vote
in our Presidential election, and the candidate with the most votes should
win, Bush would be defeated in the greatest landslide in American history.

So be thankful, Bushies, that foreign leaders don't go around "publicly
endorsing" our political candidates - it would spell utter humiliation for
your puppet master.

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

So, its all a staged pretense? That says a lot.in itself.

No, merely that he saw an opportunity to make Bush look like
a rube and Bush fell for it. Typical compaigning stuff.

Just wait until their first debate. Kerry's going to
do the same thing Noam Chomsky does in debates. While
you may or may not like Chomsky, he has a fantastic level
of skill in making his opponents look like adject morons
when they try to debate with him. Amazing to watch, actually.

Bush is in for so much hurt.

Especially since he can't speak without a prepared text without sticking
both feet deeply down his throat. Hell, all Kerry has to do is toss Bush a
pretzel and challenge him to a Sedway race.

"Sandman" wrote in message
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"ScottW" wrote in message
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I'd like to see the list of foreign leaders
which have endorsed Kerry. Let's hear their public endorsement
and why.

Unlike domestic political figures, foreign leaders are not in the habit of
publicly "endorsing" American presidential candidates.

OTOH, a British pol recently predicted that if the entire planet could
vote
in our Presidential election, and the candidate with the most votes should
win, Bush would be defeated in the greatest landslide in American history.

And we would have Osama bin Laden as our 44th President.
'WE' elect our President, our enemies don't elect him for us.
"At least" I now know which side you are on.




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