Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR 300?

Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR 300?
....using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR 300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR 300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

wrote:

Much better to............clean things up.

But vinyl is perfect isn't it ? ;~)

Graham

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Much better to............clean things up.

But vinyl is perfect isn't it ? ;~)

Graham

It is?

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it into the
line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a different
model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either by just hitting
record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your signal levels.
Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the peak reading on the
recorder using the record level control to just short of clipping (the red
"0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with the recorder in "record
mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin groove. Just be sure to
be around to hit pause when the record ends. Then repeat...lower needle on
other side, hit "play" again (pause should leave you in record mode). I
think you'll find that most LP's have very similar peak outputs, so once you
set recording level you should only have minor tweaks of volume for other
LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

Have fun!

Harry

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it into the
line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a different
model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either by just hitting
record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your signal levels.
Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the peak reading on the
recorder using the record level control to just short of clipping (the red
"0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with the recorder in "record
mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin groove. Just be sure to
be around to hit pause when the record ends. Then repeat...lower needle on
other side, hit "play" again (pause should leave you in record mode). I
think you'll find that most LP's have very similar peak outputs, so once you
set recording level you should only have minor tweaks of volume for other
LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

Have fun!

Harry

Thanks Harry. I want to do this to make copies of a few LPs, but also
to do that test that others have urged me to make, i.e. the resulting CD
should sound exactly like the LP.

Thanks again!

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Jenn wrote:

Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR 300?

Sure, after the phono stage, of course.

http://mixonline.com/products/review...fessional_cdr/

I used to have a Superscope portable cassette! This would be better.

I have a H-K audio cd recorder, but have only used it a handful of times
for radio broadcasts with mixed success. (What do you do when the
conductor skips the intermission?) Anyway, if I wanted, I could use an
audio cd-rw to take to the computer for more audio game.

The monitoring is a tad imprecise but in practice I've never had a
problem with headroom.

The Marantz is easy to use and is commonly found in band and choir rooms.

Stephen

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Much better to............clean things up.

But vinyl is perfect isn't it ? ;~)

Graham


Except that it doesn't play in cars!

(well, there were 45 players way back when!)



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Jenn wrote:

Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR 300?

Sure, after the phono stage, of course.

http://mixonline.com/products/review...fessional_cdr/

I used to have a Superscope portable cassette! This would be better.

I have a H-K audio cd recorder, but have only used it a handful of times
for radio broadcasts with mixed success. (What do you do when the
conductor skips the intermission?) Anyway, if I wanted, I could use an
audio cd-rw to take to the computer for more audio game.

The monitoring is a tad imprecise but in practice I've never had a
problem with headroom.

The Marantz is easy to use and is commonly found in band and choir rooms.

Stephen

Yep, that's why I have access to one! :-)

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Jenn wrote:

Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the
Marantz CDR 300?

...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the
proper equalization.

Been there, done that.

Anyway, does this work well?

Depends what you call "well".

As others have pointed out, it is much easier and better to use a computer
with a good audio interface. However, you can have the best of both worlds
even if your computer lacks a good audio interface, but does have a CD
burner:

(1) Record LP to CD recorder via preamp, etc.

(2) Load CD onto PC with ripping software

(3) Edit and clean using the PC

(4) Burn "finished" CD

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Jenn wrote:

Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the
Marantz CDR 300?

...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the
proper equalization.

Been there, done that.

Anyway, does this work well?

Depends what you call "well".

As others have pointed out, it is much easier and better to use a computer
with a good audio interface. However, you can have the best of both worlds
even if your computer lacks a good audio interface, but does have a CD
burner:

(1) Record LP to CD recorder via preamp, etc.

(2) Load CD onto PC with ripping software

(3) Edit and clean using the PC

(4) Burn "finished" CD

Yeah, got it. Since I don't want to "edit and clean" going directly to
the Marantz sounds easiest.

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it into
the line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a
different model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either by
just hitting record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your
signal levels. Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the peak
reading on the recorder using the record level control to just short of
clipping (the red "0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with the
recorder in "record mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin
groove. Just be sure to be around to hit pause when the record ends.
Then repeat...lower needle on other side, hit "play" again (pause should
leave you in record mode). I think you'll find that most LP's have very
similar peak outputs, so once you set recording level you should only have
minor tweaks of volume for other LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

How does one set the track marks using this method? I've always found it
better to record to my computer hard drive, then insert track marks. Time
required to burn the CD-R is so short that the extra step hardly adds any
delay.

Norm

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it into
the line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a
different model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either by
just hitting record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your
signal levels. Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the peak
reading on the recorder using the record level control to just short of
clipping (the red "0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with the
recorder in "record mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin
groove. Just be sure to be around to hit pause when the record ends.
Then repeat...lower needle on other side, hit "play" again (pause should
leave you in record mode). I think you'll find that most LP's have very
similar peak outputs, so once you set recording level you should only have
minor tweaks of volume for other LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

How does one set the track marks using this method? I've always found it
better to record to my computer hard drive, then insert track marks. Time
required to burn the CD-R is so short that the extra step hardly adds any
delay.

Norm

The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls below a certain
point for more than 3 seconds. Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also
manually set the tracks.

Question: if I were to record directly into my laptop (Mac PowerBook),
I would just use an adapter to turn the two phono plugs from the preamp
into a stereo mini plug?

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz
CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it
into
the line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a
different model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either by
just hitting record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your
signal levels. Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the
peak
reading on the recorder using the record level control to just short of
clipping (the red "0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with
the
recorder in "record mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin
groove. Just be sure to be around to hit pause when the record ends.
Then repeat...lower needle on other side, hit "play" again (pause
should
leave you in record mode). I think you'll find that most LP's have very
similar peak outputs, so once you set recording level you should only
have
minor tweaks of volume for other LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

How does one set the track marks using this method? I've always found it
better to record to my computer hard drive, then insert track marks.
Time
required to burn the CD-R is so short that the extra step hardly adds any
delay.

Norm

The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls below a certain
point for more than 3 seconds. Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also
manually set the tracks.

Question: if I were to record directly into my laptop (Mac PowerBook),
I would just use an adapter to turn the two phono plugs from the preamp
into a stereo mini plug?

The laptop uses a 3.5mm TRS jack, like most all of them? The output of the
Marantz is a pair of RCA jacks? If so, then yes, you buy a cable with RCAs
on one end and TRS mini on the other. In fact that's the way I do it
exactly.

I have a program that also hunts for dead air for a certain length of time,
but I've found that it usually inserts too many track marks, some only
seconds away from the previous one. I invariably have to reset the track
marks manually in order to get a top quality result. Of course I always
start out using auto track marks, then I modify them.

Norm

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz
CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it
into
the line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a
different model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either by
just hitting record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your
signal levels. Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the
peak
reading on the recorder using the record level control to just short of
clipping (the red "0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with
the
recorder in "record mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin
groove. Just be sure to be around to hit pause when the record ends.
Then repeat...lower needle on other side, hit "play" again (pause
should
leave you in record mode). I think you'll find that most LP's have very
similar peak outputs, so once you set recording level you should only
have
minor tweaks of volume for other LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

How does one set the track marks using this method? I've always found it
better to record to my computer hard drive, then insert track marks.
Time
required to burn the CD-R is so short that the extra step hardly adds any
delay.

Norm

The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls below a certain
point for more than 3 seconds. Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also
manually set the tracks.

Question: if I were to record directly into my laptop (Mac PowerBook),
I would just use an adapter to turn the two phono plugs from the preamp
into a stereo mini plug?

The laptop uses a 3.5mm TRS jack, like most all of them?

Yes.

The output of the
Marantz is a pair of RCA jacks?

Yes, but actually I was thinking of the pair of RCA jacks from my PREAMP
going into the laptop.

If so, then yes, you buy a cable with RCAs
on one end and TRS mini on the other. In fact that's the way I do it
exactly.

Great. Thanks. I appreciate your help.


I have a program that also hunts for dead air for a certain length of time,
but I've found that it usually inserts too many track marks, some only
seconds away from the previous one. I invariably have to reset the track
marks manually in order to get a top quality result. Of course I always
start out using auto track marks, then I modify them.

Norm

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're transcribing LPs,
because they are relatively noisy.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set the
tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Question: if I were to record directly into my laptop
(Mac PowerBook), I would just use an adapter to turn the
two phono plugs from the preamp into a stereo mini plug?

Yes. Said adaptor is very common.

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Jenn wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Can one record from LP directly to CD recorder like the Marantz
CDR
300?
...using the preamp in the chain, of course, for the proper
equalization. Anyway, does this work well?

Much better to use an audio editor (Goldwave for me) and clean
things
up.

TB

Thanks. I know about that, but I want to try just a straight across
copy, and I have access to the Marantz. This is do-able, right?

Absolutely, Jenn. Take the "tape out" from your preamp and feed it
into
the line in on the recorder. If your Marantz is like mine (I have a
different model, a 530) you can place record in standby mode (either
by
just hitting record, or by hitting record and pause) and adjust your
signal levels. Start the record, listen to a few tracks, and set the
peak
reading on the recorder using the record level control to just short
of
clipping (the red "0"). Start over, and hit the "play" button (with
the
recorder in "record mode" just after you set the needle in the leadin
groove. Just be sure to be around to hit pause when the record ends.
Then repeat...lower needle on other side, hit "play" again (pause
should
leave you in record mode). I think you'll find that most LP's have
very
similar peak outputs, so once you set recording level you should only
have
minor tweaks of volume for other LP's.

If your records are clean and in good shape, this is a great way to
record...using only high quality gear in the signal path.

How does one set the track marks using this method? I've always found
it
better to record to my computer hard drive, then insert track marks.
Time
required to burn the CD-R is so short that the extra step hardly adds
any
delay.

Norm

The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls below a certain
point for more than 3 seconds. Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also
manually set the tracks.

Question: if I were to record directly into my laptop (Mac PowerBook),
I would just use an adapter to turn the two phono plugs from the preamp
into a stereo mini plug?

The laptop uses a 3.5mm TRS jack, like most all of them? The output of
the Marantz is a pair of RCA jacks? If so, then yes, you buy a cable with
RCAs on one end and TRS mini on the other. In fact that's the way I do it
exactly.

I have a program that also hunts for dead air for a certain length of
time, but I've found that it usually inserts too many track marks, some
only seconds away from the previous one. I invariably have to reset the
track marks manually in order to get a top quality result. Of course I
always start out using auto track marks, then I modify them.

As Jenn said, with the Marantz (before you finalize) you can manually insert
track markers (or while you record). It is labor intensive but can be done.
For the most part, when I do records this way I don't use track markers at
all...just allow one per "side".

I find going to my DAW, then to disk, worthwhile only when I am trying to do
a finished compilation of cuts that I want to "fit" onto a finished disk.
For casual copying of LP's to CD I use the direct approach, one or
one-and-a-half LP's per disk.

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're transcribing LPs,
because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.


Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set the
tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why? IIRC (the last time I used the device was about 3 years ago) you
just punch in the track markers before finalization.


Question: if I were to record directly into my laptop
(Mac PowerBook), I would just use an adapter to turn the
two phono plugs from the preamp into a stereo mini plug?

Yes. Said adaptor is very common.

Yeah, I know how common it is; I just wanted to make sure that the
procedure was correct.

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one. If you set your
machine to drop in track marks at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set
the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You have to punch in the
track markers as you are recording. How else would the poor dumb machine
know where to put them?

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"Jenn" wrote in message


The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one. If you set your
machine to drop in track marks at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting
track marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set
the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You have to punch in the
track markers as you are recording. How else would the poor dumb machine
know where to put them?


I agree, its the only way it worked for me, and its why I hardly ever used
the damn thing.
I had a HArman Kardan CDR-2.

"At least" I have the entire early works of blues
singer Tracy Nelson on cd, now.



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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track marks in fade-outs
long before they are totally faded out.

When transcribing LPs, quite a bit can be done with trimming and fading to
create a product that is more likely to be perceived as being noise-free. If
a LP is in pretty good condition to start with, the body of each musical
track might be perceived as being noise-free or having very low noise. Most
of the audible noise is between the tracks.

If your CD track starts and ends exactly at the beginning and end of the
music on the LP, then a major source of perceived noise is eliminated.
LPtracks that fade out can be "enhanced" by starting the fade-out just a
little bit earlier.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set
the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You have
to punch in the track markers as you are recording. How
else would the poor dumb machine know where to put them?

I agree, its the only way it worked for me, and its why I
hardly ever used the damn thing.
I had a HArman Kardan CDR-2.

In contrast, marking, chopping, trimming, and fading tracks with a very high
level of precision (+/- 1 sample or 1/44,100 th of a second) is fairly easy
with a computer and software like Adobe Audition. A great deal of good work
can be done with freebies like Audacity or Goldwave.

If you load LP's onto your computer via the CD recorder-ripping path, then
the sonic quality of your finished product is not limited by the audio
interface in the computer. All computer work is done in the digital domain.

"At least" I have the entire early works of blues
singer Tracy Nelson on cd, now.

Good to hear.

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one. If you set your
machine to drop in track marks at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set
the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You have to punch in the
track markers as you are recording. How else would the poor dumb machine
know where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a few years since I
used one. But anyway, why would that require "mucho hand-eye
coordination"?

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one. If you set your
machine to drop in track marks at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set
the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You have to punch in the
track markers as you are recording. How else would the poor dumb machine
know where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a few years since I
used one. But anyway, why would that require "mucho hand-eye
coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode that adds a
track number every minute, so one can use approximate timing as a guide
to adding the real track numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one. If you set your
machine to drop in track marks at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting
track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually set
the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You have to punch in the
track markers as you are recording. How else would the poor dumb machine
know where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a few years since I
used one. But anyway, why would that require "mucho hand-eye
coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode that adds a
track number every minute, so one can use approximate timing as a guide
to adding the real track numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote where you simply
punch in a track marking where you want one....seems easy.

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would that
require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode
that adds a track number every minute, so one can use
approximate timing as a guide to adding the real track
numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then you
won't have any problems! ;-)

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would that
require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode
that adds a track number every minute, so one can use
approximate timing as a guide to adding the real track
numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level
falls below a certain point for more than 3
seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively
noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only
one. If you set your machine to drop in track marks
at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers
before finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would
that require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording
mode that adds a track number every minute, so one can
use approximate timing as a guide to adding the real
track numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good
enough for you, then you won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate,

Jenn, it comes naturally to you! ;-)

but how hard can it be?

Jenn, how many times have you seen Art Sackman and Arny Krueger agree on
RAO?

We both agreed that manually placing track marks on a CD with any level of
precision is tough.

A track ends on the LP and you push the button on the
remote. Am I missing something?

Yes Jenn, you're missing the experience of actually doing it again and again
with some hope of accuracy and reliability.

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would that
require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode
that adds a track number every minute, so one can use
approximate timing as a guide to adding the real track
numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then
you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?



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I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

about 40 minutes of the rest of your life.



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Jenn said to ProjectionBorg:

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

Do you remember your first music class in grade school when you were
little? You were probably 6 or 7. Most of the kids banged or plucked or
vocalized and made some semblance of music. But there was this one kid
who treated his toy cornet as if it were an alien biology experiment. He
didn't try to play it like a human would; rather, he tried to look
inside it and pretend he'd figured out how it "worked". Then he'd run
and tell teacher that once he'd grown up and became a Really Important
Usenet Engineer, he would prove over and over that all musical
instruments sound the same. All because he couldn't grasp the concept
that music's value to human beings lies in enriching our souls.






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Jenn:
A track ends on the LP and you push the button on the
remote. Am I missing something?

Yes Jenn, you're missing the experience of actually doing it again and again
with some hope of accuracy and reliability.

I think I get it: Arny is applying a standard of precision easily
obtained with an editing programming. Hitting a button on the fly is
probably an order of magnitude or two more gross than dragging tracks
into a playlist. Try not to think of the rmcr complaints about the
difficulties of obtaining 'gapless' playback with certain free software
while acknowledging the clear superiority of this method.

If you need that kind of precision, just take your unbearably coarse cd
to your pc and you'll have it, or borrow a Masterlink instead of a
Marantz!

Stephen

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Jenn said to ProjectionBorg:

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

Do you remember your first music class in grade school when you were
little? You were probably 6 or 7. Most of the kids banged or plucked or
vocalized and made some semblance of music. But there was this one kid
who treated his toy cornet as if it were an alien biology experiment. He
didn't try to play it like a human would; rather, he tried to look
inside it and pretend he'd figured out how it "worked". Then he'd run
and tell teacher that once he'd grown up and became a Really Important
Usenet Engineer, he would prove over and over that all musical
instruments sound the same. All because he couldn't grasp the concept
that music's value to human beings lies in enriching our souls.

Why, that's quite lovely, George. I'm sure even Arnie will be moved by
that sentiment---not.

paul packer said:

Do you remember your first music class in grade school when you were
little? You were probably 6 or 7. Most of the kids banged or plucked or
vocalized and made some semblance of music. But there was this one kid
who treated his toy cornet as if it were an alien biology experiment. He
didn't try to play it like a human would; rather, he tried to look
inside it and pretend he'd figured out how it "worked". Then he'd run
and tell teacher that once he'd grown up and became a Really Important
Usenet Engineer, he would prove over and over that all musical
instruments sound the same. All because he couldn't grasp the concept
that music's value to human beings lies in enriching our souls.

Why, that's quite lovely, George.

"Lovely"? Not exactly my intention, but whatever.

I'm sure even Arnie will be moved by that sentiment---not.

Do I detect a note of sympathy for Mr. ****?




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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would that
require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode
that adds a track number every minute, so one can use
approximate timing as a guide to adding the real track
numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then
you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would that
require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode
that adds a track number every minute, so one can use
approximate timing as a guide to adding the real track
numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then
you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. You have to be there, paying attention, for
this to work. IOW, it consumes your time right along with the playing time
of the recording. I didn't like this feature, so I used software that would
make an unattended recording.

One of my friends had a record changer, and he put a stack of LPs on the
player and recorded the entire set onto his hard drive. Turned the stack
over and did the other side. He could be doing something entirely different
during the process.

Norm Strong

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level falls
below a certain point for more than 3 seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only one.
If you set your machine to drop in track marks at -40
dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers before
finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would that
require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording mode
that adds a track number every minute, so one can use
approximate timing as a guide to adding the real track
numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good enough for you, then
you
won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. You have to be there, paying attention, for
this to work. IOW, it consumes your time right along with the playing time
of the recording. I didn't like this feature, so I used software that would
make an unattended recording.

One of my friends had a record changer, and he put a stack of LPs on the
player and recorded the entire set onto his hard drive. Turned the stack
over and did the other side. He could be doing something entirely different
during the process.

Norm Strong

Well, since I only want to record maybe 10 LPs, it's no big deal.

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I'm not trying to be obstinate, but how hard can it be? A track ends on
the LP and you push the button on the remote. Am I missing something?

about 40 minutes of the rest of your life.

During which time you can actually listen to the music? Such a penalty!
;-)

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The Marantz sets track marks when the dB level
falls below a certain point for more than 3
seconds.

Setting this up is especially difficult when you're
transcribing LPs, because they are relatively
noisy.

I doubt it. IIRC the cut off point is -40 dB.

There's two sides to this story, and that is only
one. If you set your machine to drop in track marks
at -40 dB, you run the risk of putting track
marks in fade-outs long before they are totally faded
out.

Not ideal, granted. IIRC, you can also manually
set the tracks.

Takes mucho hand-and-eye coordination.

Why?

This one you'll have to learn for yourself Jenn.

RC (the last time I used the device was about 3
years ago) you just punch in the track markers
before finalization.

That's not how the CD recorders I've used work. You
have to punch in the track markers as you are
recording. How else would the poor dumb machine know
where to put them?

That could well be the case; as I wrote, it has been a
few years since I used one. But anyway, why would
that require "mucho hand-eye coordination"?

If I read the review correctly, there's a recording
mode that adds a track number every minute, so one can
use approximate timing as a guide to adding the real
track numbers before finalizing.

Maybe the buttons are hard to see or something.

Stephen

There is a button (clear to see and use) on the remote
where you simply punch in a track marking where you want
one....seems easy.

Wait till you try to do it with good accuracy.

Hey, if getting your tracks within a minute is good
enough for you, then you won't have any problems! ;-)

I'm not trying to be obstinate,

Jenn, it comes naturally to you! ;-)

Gratuitous, meaningless, childish attempt at insult noted. You should
shut up now ;-)


but how hard can it be?

Jenn, how many times have you seen Art Sackman and Arny Krueger agree on
RAO?

We both agreed that manually placing track marks on a CD with any level of
precision is tough.

The normal length of the silence between tracks on an LP is, what, 3-4
seconds? I just have to have enough "eye-hand coordination" to hit a
mark within that? Geese, it ain't Opus 133.


A track ends on the LP and you push the button on the
remote. Am I missing something?

Yes Jenn, you're missing the experience of actually doing it again and again
with some hope of accuracy and reliability.

Hitting an appropriate spot within a 3-4 second window? I'll try to
muddle through it.