I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

"bt" wrote:

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

The only "upgrade" that makes a lick of sense is to ditch the records and
get a CD player. Loser.

Bwian channels the Krooborg.

The only "upgrade" that makes a lick of sense is to ditch the records and
get a CD player. Loser.

Did Arnii deputize you to snot on Normals, Bwian? Of course you are a
natural for the Hive, being a sociopath and all.







--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...
I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

In that price category I'd take a look at Shure M-97
and Audio Technica offerings... particularly if the Grado
hum bothers you... (I hate hum...I know somethings wrong...
it shouldn't be there and I have to fix it before I can ever enjoy
the music...others can listen right through moderate hum with
no problem.)

Anyway I will warn you...that getting good deep bass out of vinyl is one of
the biggest challenges. I was satisfied for years with a cart that wasn't
a good match for my arm and didn't notice until I got a subwoofer
and my TT together.

Have you ever tried a test record like Hi-Fi News to see what your
arm/cart resonance is? Might be worth a look before going for a new
cart that may or may not work well with a sub.

Oh...and ignore the howling monkees.... they're just frustrated cuz they
know there isn't a hope in their hell of figuring out how to get good
sound out of vinyl.

ScottW

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Bwian channels the Krooborg.

The only "upgrade" that makes a lick of sense is to ditch the records and
get a CD player. Loser.

Did Arnii deputize you to snot on Normals, Bwian? Of course you are a
natural for the Hive, being a sociopath and all.

Your inability to address your answer to an audio topic as to be expected is
once again noted.

Graham

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message news


Bwian channels the Krooborg.

The only "upgrade" that makes a lick of sense is to ditch the records and
get a CD player. Loser.

Did Arnii deputize you to snot on Normals, Bwian? Of course you are a
natural for the Hive, being a sociopath and all.


Don't forget about the birdhouses.



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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...


"George M. Middius" wrote:

Bwian channels the Krooborg.

The only "upgrade" that makes a lick of sense is to ditch the records
and
get a CD player. Loser.

Did Arnii deputize you to snot on Normals, Bwian? Of course you are a
natural for the Hive, being a sociopath and all.

Your inability to address your answer to an audio topic as to be expected
is
once again noted.


I got it. I guess you are just too dense to get it.



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Clyde Slick said:

Did Arnii deputize you to snot on Normals, Bwian? Of course you are a
natural for the Hive, being a sociopath and all.

Your inability to address your answer to an audio topic as to be expected
is once again noted.

Garbled gibberish noted.

I got it. I guess you are just too dense to get it.

It's telling that Poopie is so dense that he can't distinguish Bwian's
transparent trolling from a sincere opinion.



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In article Qiigg.40181$fG3.16538@dukeread09,
"ScottW" wrote:

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...
I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

In that price category I'd take a look at Shure M-97
and Audio Technica offerings... particularly if the Grado
hum bothers you... (I hate hum...I know somethings wrong...
it shouldn't be there and I have to fix it before I can ever enjoy
the music...others can listen right through moderate hum with
no problem.)

The newer Grado Prestige models are worth a look, too. I like the
Sonata, but it's over the price limit. The "grado hum" isn't a sure
thing, but a competent shop will check for sure and eliminate grounding
problems that may be present.

Stephen

MINe 109 wrote:
In article Qiigg.40181$fG3.16538@dukeread09,
"ScottW" wrote:

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...
I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

I would buy an inexpensive Sumiko and if you find it less than 100%
satisfactory, before changing, build yourself the RIAA stage found in
the book by Rainer zur Linde with the white cover. Even if you do not
read German you should be able to build it from the schematic and PCB
layout or someone can do it for you if staying dumb is your goal. I can
get the exact title, ISBN number and pages if you desire so the library
can get a copy for you.

This phono stage was engineered very specifically for that cartridge
and is designed to mount at the turntable and give a line out. It is an
unbalanced -10 consumo line out but that's OK. With this cartridge and
preamp you have a better system than can be bought for any sum from the
faggy high end dealers.

In article .com,
"RapidRonnie" wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:
In article Qiigg.40181$fG3.16538@dukeread09,
"ScottW" wrote:

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...
I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

I would buy an inexpensive Sumiko and if you find it less than 100%
satisfactory, before changing, build yourself the RIAA stage found in
the book by Rainer zur Linde with the white cover. Even if you do not
read German you should be able to build it from the schematic and PCB
layout or someone can do it for you if staying dumb is your goal. I can
get the exact title, ISBN number and pages if you desire so the library
can get a copy for you.

This phono stage was engineered very specifically for that cartridge
and is designed to mount at the turntable and give a line out. It is an
unbalanced -10 consumo line out but that's OK. With this cartridge and
preamp you have a better system than can be bought for any sum from the
faggy high end dealers.

ZZZZzzzzzz

bt wrote:

I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.


The Goldring 1000 MM series is excellent and in that price range. I
have the 1012GX and it definitely sounds better than my Grado Prestige
Silver (which is an upgrade from what you have). I think the Goldring
is better than the Grado for 2 reasons - It has a much smaller stylus
and it is shielded (Grado is one of the only non-shielded cartridges).
Lastly - it has a replaceable stylus

ScottW wrote:

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...

I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.


In that price category I'd take a look at Shure M-97
and Audio Technica offerings... particularly if the Grado
hum bothers you... (I hate hum...I know somethings wrong...
it shouldn't be there and I have to fix it before I can ever enjoy
the music...others can listen right through moderate hum with
no problem.)

Anyway I will warn you...that getting good deep bass out of vinyl is one of
the biggest challenges. I was satisfied for years with a cart that wasn't
a good match for my arm and didn't notice until I got a subwoofer
and my TT together.

Have you ever tried a test record like Hi-Fi News to see what your
arm/cart resonance is? Might be worth a look before going for a new
cart that may or may not work well with a sub.

Oh...and ignore the howling monkees.... they're just frustrated cuz they
know there isn't a hope in their hell of figuring out how to get good
sound out of vinyl.

ScottW


Most Grados are not shielded - hence the hum

Add the Goldring 1000 series MM to your list

"RapidRonnie" wrote in message
oups.com...

. With this cartridge and
preamp you have a better system than can be bought for any sum from the
faggy high end dealers.


"real men' shop at Wal-Mart.



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In article ,
MD wrote:



The Goldring 1000 MM series is excellent and in that price range. I
have the 1012GX and it definitely sounds better than my Grado Prestige
Silver (which is an upgrade from what you have). I think the Goldring
is better than the Grado for 2 reasons - It has a much smaller stylus
and it is shielded (Grado is one of the only non-shielded cartridges).
Lastly - it has a replaceable stylus


Thanks--I'll investigate the Goldring. Thanks much to all of you who
offered cartridge opinions... I'll check back if there are others.

I had no idea this question would provoke so much jocularity.

Hello, I was in a similar situation a while ago. I bought the Ortofon
Vinyl Master Red. I've no regrets.
Good luck - Freek

bt schreef:

I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver, the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming, so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

See there, there is a great reviews about phono cardridge
http://pligg.netc.net/story.php?titl...dridge-reviews

warhammer

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
"RapidRonnie" wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:
In article Qiigg.40181$fG3.16538@dukeread09,
"ScottW" wrote:

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...
I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now
has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver,
the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will
significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus
for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming,
so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the
overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can
detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

I would buy an inexpensive Sumiko and if you find it less than 100%
satisfactory, before changing, build yourself the RIAA stage found in
the book by Rainer zur Linde with the white cover. Even if you do not
read German you should be able to build it from the schematic and PCB
layout or someone can do it for you if staying dumb is your goal. I can
get the exact title, ISBN number and pages if you desire so the library
can get a copy for you.

This phono stage was engineered very specifically for that cartridge
and is designed to mount at the turntable and give a line out. It is an
unbalanced -10 consumo line out but that's OK. With this cartridge and
preamp you have a better system than can be bought for any sum from the
faggy high end dealers.

ZZZZzzzzzz

In article . ca,
"Warhammer" wrote:

See there, there is a great reviews about phono cardridge
http://pligg.netc.net/story.php?titl...dridge-reviews

warhammer

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
"RapidRonnie" wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:
In article Qiigg.40181$fG3.16538@dukeread09,
"ScottW" wrote:

"bt" wrote in message
news:bt-2157AB.08244603062006@localhost...
I'm using an 80s-vintage Harmon Kardon T-45 turntable, which now
has a
same-vintage Grado M+ cartridge. The amp is an NAD 713 receiver,
the
speakers PSB Image b-25's, with a PSB subwoofer next on my list of
additions.

Are there cartridges in the under $150 category that will
significantly
upgrade the sound, or should I just seek out a replacement stylus
for
the M+? The sound now is quite pleasant but a bit muffled seeming,
so
more detail and dynamic range would be desirable, so long as the
overall
"musical" quality isn't compromised. I listen to many kinds of
music--chamber, blues, opera, funk, pop, arty rock. I also can
detect a
bit of hum with the turntable--I don't know whether the cart has
anything to do with that.

I would buy an inexpensive Sumiko and if you find it less than 100%
satisfactory, before changing, build yourself the RIAA stage found in
the book by Rainer zur Linde with the white cover. Even if you do not
read German you should be able to build it from the schematic and PCB
layout or someone can do it for you if staying dumb is your goal. I can
get the exact title, ISBN number and pages if you desire so the library
can get a copy for you.

This phono stage was engineered very specifically for that cartridge
and is designed to mount at the turntable and give a line out. It is an
unbalanced -10 consumo line out but that's OK. With this cartridge and
preamp you have a better system than can be bought for any sum from the
faggy high end dealers.

ZZZZzzzzzz

I agree. So, what's your point?