was wondering whether accessories such as mains filters, main
blocks,kimber cable and replacement mains leads really made any
difference to sound quality. The price of some of these jokers is
considerable, so before lashing out I would welcome some opinions.it
seems to be all about removing unwelcome " nasties " such as Rf(
whatever that is ) and spikes( whatever they are)

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om

was wondering whether accessories such as mains filters, main
blocks,kimber cable and replacement mains leads really made any
difference to sound quality.

You asked this question here two days ago.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=64...g .google.com

You got two answers, neither of which you responded to.

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

(Waiting for the obligatory "And you're mamma's a sockpuppet, too!")


Class and Krueger dismissed

Professor Midnite

"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

Apologies for my dire spelling

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"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

Apologies for my dire spelling

I am, with you, senor. For the life of me I cannot understand why
these jokers are quite so disparaging about one of their country's
premier audio manufacturers- it seems that foreigners appreciate them
more. Us Brits know a good thing when we see it. You ,rightly
,mentioned Levinson products , but have you forgotten Citation ,Krell
,Conrad Johnson, Acoustic Research amongst other Yankie luminaries?
They are what we would call the " Dogs ********"- Great gear great
sound( although a tad expensive)
It seems that most in here would favour Japanese products but, of
course , we are rather more discerning n'est ce pas? Not for us all
those nasty vulgar black and silver boxes bedecked with superfluous
knobs and switches , and a cheap predictable sound to boot.No give me
HK in preference any day.
You say you posses a Leak stereo 20 valve power amp? Now you are
making me feel jealous. That was one of Harry Leaks premier designs
and last manufactured in the mid 1960's. Treasure that one senor.
Glen Croft ,as you are most likely aware , makes some very tasty valve
equipment- not sure whether our American brethren are familiar with
his products . All hard wired and made to order. Example of their
products a
Croft series 5 poower amp, Futterman inspired transformes less (OTL)
Dakshini power amp and , of course ,the well reviewed Vitale preamp.
Need I say more.
There is an american distributor and their website is :

http://www.eminentaudio.dabsol,co.uk.../EAUSA.htm-13k

So there we have it
Cheers, mate ,speak to you soon

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"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

Apologies for my dire spelling

I am, with you, senor. For the life of me I cannot understand why
these jokers are quite so disparaging about one of their country's
premier audio manufacturers- it seems that foreigners appreciate them
more. Us Brits know a good thing when we see it. You ,rightly
,mentioned Levinson products , but have you forgotten Citation ,Krell
,Conrad Johnson, Acoustic Research amongst other Yankie luminaries?
They are what we would call the " Dogs ********"- Great gear great
sound( although a tad expensive)
It seems that most in here would favour Japanese products but, of
course , we are rather more discerning n'est ce pas? Not for us all
those nasty vulgar black and silver boxes bedecked with superfluous
knobs and switches , and a cheap predictable sound to boot.No give me
HK in preference any day.
You say you posses a Leak stereo 20 valve power amp? Now you are
making me feel jealous. That was one of Harry Leaks premier designs
and last manufactured in the mid 1960's. Treasure that one senor.
Glen Croft ,as you are most likely aware , makes some very tasty valve
equipment- not sure whether our American brethren are familiar with
his products . All hard wired and made to order. Example of their
products a
Croft series 5 poower amp, Futterman inspired transformes less (OTL)
Dakshini power amp and , of course ,the well reviewed Vitale preamp.
Need I say more.
There is an american distributor and their website is :

http://www.eminentaudio.dabsol,co.uk.../EAUSA.htm-13k

So there we have it
Cheers, mate ,speak to you soon

Hi facundo
Can I ask you a question ? why did you use your email address as your
nic name ???? you looking to be bombarded with mail or something ?? I
think you've dropped a bit of a goolie there mate!
Any way going back to your message, yes it does seem that the yanks
favour Japanese products over their own , its also true with cars -
their biggest seller is the Toyota Camry. Personally I dont touch Jap
products simply because of what those slitty eyed gits did to my
grandfather during the war. Remember they also slaughter dolphins and
eat whale meat.That says it all for me. At the moment I am sort of
juggling between an Hk and an Arcam Diva receiver. I shall have to
listen to both before commiting . The thing that really gets up my
goat is the fact that they are so much more expensive here than the
US, I mean its like no one has heard of competition here and you have
to pay the RRP. ******** isnt?

Incidentally are you watching the rugby this saturday? Our lads will
be kicking some arse me thinks! Bye for now

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"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

Apologies for my dire spelling

I am, with you, senor. For the life of me I cannot understand why
these jokers are quite so disparaging about one of their country's
premier audio manufacturers- it seems that foreigners appreciate them
more. Us Brits know a good thing when we see it. You ,rightly
,mentioned Levinson products , but have you forgotten Citation ,Krell
,Conrad Johnson, Acoustic Research amongst other Yankie luminaries?
They are what we would call the " Dogs ********"- Great gear great
sound( although a tad expensive)
It seems that most in here would favour Japanese products but, of
course , we are rather more discerning n'est ce pas? Not for us all
those nasty vulgar black and silver boxes bedecked with superfluous
knobs and switches , and a cheap predictable sound to boot.No give me
HK in preference any day.
You say you posses a Leak stereo 20 valve power amp? Now you are
making me feel jealous. That was one of Harry Leaks premier designs
and last manufactured in the mid 1960's. Treasure that one senor.
Glen Croft ,as you are most likely aware , makes some very tasty valve
equipment- not sure whether our American brethren are familiar with
his products . All hard wired and made to order. Example of their
products a
Croft series 5 poower amp, Futterman inspired transformes less (OTL)
Dakshini power amp and , of course ,the well reviewed Vitale preamp.
Need I say more.
There is an american distributor and their website is :

http://www.eminentaudio.dabsol,co.uk.../EAUSA.htm-13k

So there we have it
Cheers, mate ,speak to you soon

Hi facundo
Can I ask you a question ? why did you use your email address as your
nic name ???? you looking to be bombarded with mail or something ?? I
think you've dropped a bit of a goolie there mate!
Any way going back to your message, yes it does seem that the yanks
favour Japanese products over their own , its also true with cars -
their biggest seller is the Toyota Camry. Personally I dont touch Jap
products simply because of what those slitty eyed gits did to my
grandfather during the war. Remember they also slaughter dolphins and
eat whale meat.That says it all for me. At the moment I am sort of
juggling between an Hk and an Arcam Diva receiver. I shall have to
listen to both before commiting . The thing that really gets up my
goat is the fact that they are so much more expensive here than the
US, I mean its like no one has heard of competition here and you have
to pay the RRP. ******** isnt?

Incidentally are you watching the rugby this saturday? Our lads will
be kicking some arse me thinks! Bye for now

Sure am, those IRISH boys will be in for a tonking. I take England to
win by 20 points.
Incidentally i took the plunge and bought me an HK 5500 and have to
say I am more than pleased with it- cost me £ 850 smackers.Lot of dosh
I know but worth every penny. Those Yanks know how to make amps. I
dont give a rats arse what the pseudo electronic bods in here think
coz I trust my ears.I tell you these comedians are nothing but a bunch
of anoraks , the kind of people who hang about train stations taking
notes on passing trains- jotting the numbers down like! Sad
indeed!Have you noticed how they constantly trade insults? ****s!
Any way my HK sounds fine firing my KEF Q 55s, 95c and 55s rears.Sadly
I have to report that I am using a Toshiba 520e dvd A player. I know
you hate Jap products but there aint much choice

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"Professor Midnite" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

Apologies for my dire spelling

I am, with you, senor. For the life of me I cannot understand why
these jokers are quite so disparaging about one of their country's
premier audio manufacturers- it seems that foreigners appreciate them
more. Us Brits know a good thing when we see it. You ,rightly
,mentioned Levinson products , but have you forgotten Citation ,Krell
,Conrad Johnson, Acoustic Research amongst other Yankie luminaries?
They are what we would call the " Dogs ********"- Great gear great
sound( although a tad expensive)
It seems that most in here would favour Japanese products but, of
course , we are rather more discerning n'est ce pas? Not for us all
those nasty vulgar black and silver boxes bedecked with superfluous
knobs and switches , and a cheap predictable sound to boot.No give me
HK in preference any day.
You say you posses a Leak stereo 20 valve power amp? Now you are
making me feel jealous. That was one of Harry Leaks premier designs
and last manufactured in the mid 1960's. Treasure that one senor.
Glen Croft ,as you are most likely aware , makes some very tasty valve
equipment- not sure whether our American brethren are familiar with
his products . All hard wired and made to order. Example of their
products a
Croft series 5 poower amp, Futterman inspired transformes less (OTL)
Dakshini power amp and , of course ,the well reviewed Vitale preamp.
Need I say more.
There is an american distributor and their website is :

http://www.eminentaudio.dabsol,co.uk.../EAUSA.htm-13k

So there we have it
Cheers, mate ,speak to you soon

Hi facundo
Can I ask you a question ? why did you use your email address as your
nic name ???? you looking to be bombarded with mail or something ?? I
think you've dropped a bit of a goolie there mate!
Any way going back to your message, yes it does seem that the yanks
favour Japanese products over their own , its also true with cars -
their biggest seller is the Toyota Camry. Personally I dont touch Jap
products simply because of what those slitty eyed gits did to my
grandfather during the war. Remember they also slaughter dolphins and
eat whale meat.That says it all for me. At the moment I am sort of
juggling between an Hk and an Arcam Diva receiver. I shall have to
listen to both before commiting . The thing that really gets up my
goat is the fact that they are so much more expensive here than the
US, I mean its like no one has heard of competition here and you have
to pay the RRP. ******** isnt?

Incidentally are you watching the rugby this saturday? Our lads will
be kicking some arse me thinks! Bye for now

Sure am, those IRISH boys will be in for a tonking. I take England to
win by 20 points.
Incidentally i took the plunge and bought me an HK 5500 and have to
say I am more than pleased with it- cost me £ 850 smackers.Lot of dosh
I know but worth every penny. Those Yanks know how to make amps. I
dont give a rats arse what the pseudo electronic bods in here think
coz I trust my ears.I tell you these comedians are nothing but a bunch
of anoraks , the kind of people who hang about train stations taking
notes on passing trains- jotting the numbers down like! Sad
indeed!Have you noticed how they constantly trade insults? ****s!
Any way my HK sounds fine firing my KEF Q 55s, 95c and 55s rears.Sadly
I have to report that I am using a Toshiba 520e dvd A player. I know
you hate Jap products but there aint much choice


Who do you think will win the presidency Dubya or Kerry? My money is
on Kerry . I think the Yanks have had enough of the good ole boy from
Texas who seems to be in the pocket of corporate America.
That Kerry guy does seems to have a bit of charisma dont you think?

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From: "Arny Krueger"

What would happen if you behaved this way with people, face-to-face?

He might be *nearly* as disliked as you are here.

Obviously you're so well-liked "midnight", that you're afraid to post under
you true name. Is your whole family rank cowards like you, or are you the
only one?

Sorry , didnt mean to be so rude as to ignore the respnses to my first
thread.

I am surprised at the reaction to Hk products. Whilst it doesnt
command mass market appeal overhere it does have its adherents. Why, I
wonder , should it be considered an inferior product to ,say , Denon?
Brittish products are all very well but the vast majority concentrate
on stereo products especially at the mid to lower end of the market
(Arcam being an exeption)I took the trouble to listen to an HK 5500
and cannot say I was offended. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to
why they are considered so bad overthere. As I dont live in your
country , Arny, you cannot expect me to know the answer , so no I
wasnt joking. I can also tell you that the HK 8500 ( top of the range
and which sells at £1800 or $3240)has also been very favourably
reviewed.
It seems to me more of a matter of fashion , I mean what is meant by
"cliche" in audio terms? Japanese products used to be roundly slated
overhere whilst Brittish products were always overhyped presumably in
order to protect their own market. I agree Sugden make some very fine
products as do Quad,CReek , Musical fidelity, Meridien ,Chord, Mission
and many others but ,as said, I dont think many of them go for
multichannel and the ones that do are hideously expensive!Therefore
Japanese products are filling a void and are generally well accepted
now - Sony , Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer etc etc.
I just realised that I hadnt mentioned that my interest is mainly in
multichannel amplification .Apologies!(I have a stereo power amp which
is called Leak stereo 20 and which has been modified by Glen Croft and
is linked to an Audio Innovation pre and I use them in different
room)As an alternative to the usual Japanese products I was attracted
to HK based on their favourable reviews. Their spec sheets dont bang
on about wattage ( in fact they are rated rather conservatively)
preffering instead to stress the importance of amperage figures.
Someone also told me to, look for considerable increases in wattage
from 8ohms down to 4ohms and then 2 . This, apparently, necessitates a
large transformer and , consequently, a heavy price tag. Most Brit
amps seem rather lightweight to me.
Lastly you seem keen to rubbish your country's products but let me
remind you that Mark Levinson make some of the finest products around.

Apologies for my dire spelling

I am, with you, senor. For the life of me I cannot understand why
these jokers are quite so disparaging about one of their country's
premier audio manufacturers- it seems that foreigners appreciate them
more. Us Brits know a good thing when we see it. You ,rightly
,mentioned Levinson products , but have you forgotten Citation ,Krell
,Conrad Johnson, Acoustic Research amongst other Yankie luminaries?
They are what we would call the " Dogs ********"- Great gear great
sound( although a tad expensive)
It seems that most in here would favour Japanese products but, of
course , we are rather more discerning n'est ce pas? Not for us all
those nasty vulgar black and silver boxes bedecked with superfluous
knobs and switches , and a cheap predictable sound to boot.No give me
HK in preference any day.
You say you posses a Leak stereo 20 valve power amp? Now you are
making me feel jealous. That was one of Harry Leaks premier designs
and last manufactured in the mid 1960's. Treasure that one senor.
Glen Croft ,as you are most likely aware , makes some very tasty valve
equipment- not sure whether our American brethren are familiar with
his products . All hard wired and made to order. Example of their
products a
Croft series 5 poower amp, Futterman inspired transformes less (OTL)
Dakshini power amp and , of course ,the well reviewed Vitale preamp.
Need I say more.
There is an american distributor and their website is :

http://www.eminentaudio.dabsol,co.uk.../EAUSA.htm-13k

So there we have it
Cheers, mate ,speak to you soon

Hi facundo
Can I ask you a question ? why did you use your email address as your
nic name ???? you looking to be bombarded with mail or something ?? I
think you've dropped a bit of a goolie there mate!
Any way going back to your message, yes it does seem that the yanks
favour Japanese products over their own , its also true with cars -
their biggest seller is the Toyota Camry. Personally I dont touch Jap
products simply because of what those slitty eyed gits did to my
grandfather during the war. Remember they also slaughter dolphins and
eat whale meat.That says it all for me. At the moment I am sort of
juggling between an Hk and an Arcam Diva receiver. I shall have to
listen to both before commiting . The thing that really gets up my
goat is the fact that they are so much more expensive here than the
US, I mean its like no one has heard of competition here and you have
to pay the RRP. ******** isnt?

Incidentally are you watching the rugby this saturday? Our lads will
be kicking some arse me thinks! Bye for now

Sure am, those IRISH boys will be in for a tonking. I take England to
win by 20 points.
Incidentally i took the plunge and bought me an HK 5500 and have to
say I am more than pleased with it- cost me £ 850 smackers.Lot of dosh
I know but worth every penny. Those Yanks know how to make amps. I
dont give a rats arse what the pseudo electronic bods in here think
coz I trust my ears.I tell you these comedians are nothing but a bunch
of anoraks , the kind of people who hang about train stations taking
notes on passing trains- jotting the numbers down like! Sad
indeed!Have you noticed how they constantly trade insults? ****s!
Any way my HK sounds fine firing my KEF Q 55s, 95c and 55s rears.Sadly
I have to report that I am using a Toshiba 520e dvd A player. I know
you hate Jap products but there aint much choice


Who do you think will win the presidency Dubya or Kerry? My money is
on Kerry . I think the Yanks have had enough of the good ole boy from
Texas who seems to be in the pocket of corporate America.
That Kerry guy does seems to have a bit of charisma dont you think?


More to the point who gives a damn ! Just hooked my HK and its
performance is something to be impressed by.Plenty of welly there,
enough to drive my neighbours to distraction.Next purchase will be a
subwoofer and i am thinking along the lines of MJ Aoustics Reference
100. What dya think huh? Well reviewed its been . The only other
contender would be a Rel 150 but at £100 more semms a bit
steep.Incidentally do you play DVD audio on yours ? Jury is still out
on which format will be the winner , I refer to SACD and DVD A of
course. The general public wont commit until they are sure of who the
winner will be.Brings back memories of the old VHS versus betamax
battle.