Is it possible to use XLR microphone cable in
a Hi-Fi setup as a means of review. In other
words, is microphone cable interchangeable
with audio system XLR interconnects?

"Powell" wrote in message
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Is it possible to use XLR microphone cable in
a Hi-Fi setup as a means of review. In other
words, is microphone cable interchangeable
with audio system XLR interconnects?

I think, in some cases. Mic level is lower than line level. Therefore,
shielding issues will not be as perceptible. Also, some mikes have higher
output impedance than a typical preamp.

"Powell" wrote in message


Is it possible to use XLR microphone cable in
a Hi-Fi setup as a means of review.

For sure, not that this makes any sense at all.

In other words, is microphone cable interchangeable
with audio system XLR interconnects?

Yes, they are interchangable.

Mic cables can also be successfully used as line-level signal cables, and in
a few cases speaker cables. NHTPro speakers use regular 22 gauge mic cables
as speaker cables by including their resistance into the design of the
system.

However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.

More than likely the means of evaluation will be sighted and
non-time-synched so "Amazing differences that prove the pointy-headed
objectivists wrong" can be safely predicted. ;-)

Powell wrote:

Is it possible to use XLR microphone cable in
a Hi-Fi setup as a means of review. In other
words, is microphone cable interchangeable
with audio system XLR interconnects?

In the pro audio world, shielded two conductor cable with a male XLR on
one end and a female XLR on the other end is used interchangably for
line level and mic level audio. Different signal level, but the same
cable. IOW, there is no difference between mic cable and line level
cables with XRLs.

Since there is no real standard for consumer audio on XLRs, you are on
your own to a certain degree. If it's all balanced gear, yeah mic cable
will work. If you are mixing balanced and unbalanced, or it is all
unbalanced, you may have to pay attention to how the cables are wired.
(pin2 hot, pin 3 hot, tie the unused conductor to the shield, don't tie
it, etc - there are a dozen different possibilities, and a full
treatment of how to interface balanced and unbalanced gear is much more
than I'm willing to get into this afternoon.)

Standard mic cable will *probably* work, but I can't guarantee it
without knowing more about the setup.


//Walt

"Arny Krueger" said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.


More than likely the means of evaluation will be sighted and
non-time-synched so "Amazing differences that prove the pointy-headed
objectivists wrong" can be safely predicted. ;-)


You are, again, absolutely right.
The pair of red herrings with XLR connectors, placed in between my DAC
and my preamp (which both have XLR sockets), proved to sound different
from the previously used RG58/U shotgunned cables, at least to these
old ears of mine.

It was like some kind of excluded middle inbetween the loudspeakers
occurred, combined with a "yawning" sound from the left and a
'huh"-like sound from the right. Images of strawmen came to mind
immediately.

Thanks again, Arny, for just another one of your valuable and
insightful posts. I can see you're doing your best to improve upon the
S/N ratio of this group that has turned so low lately.

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Sander deWaal wrote:

"Arny Krueger" said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.

But were your neighbors "critical" of the odor?

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Is it possible to use XLR microphone cable in
a Hi-Fi setup as a means of review.

For sure, not that this makes any sense at all.

Most microphones that use a 48 volt power supply
return what level of voltage to the microphone
pre-amp, just generally speaking? I already caught
my ARC pre-amp on fire once, so I'm just covering
my bases.


In other words, is microphone cable interchangeable
with audio system XLR interconnects?

Yes, they are interchangable.

No impedance issues with tubed pre-amp to
tubed power amp either, correct?

Where does the analogy for comparison fall apart
(doesn't "makes any sense at all")?


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.

That's the theory.


More than likely the means of evaluation will be sighted and
non-time-synched so "Amazing differences that prove the pointy-headed
objectivists wrong" can be safely predicted. ;-)

Oh yes, I resemble that remark.

Jenn said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.


But were your neighbors "critical" of the odor?


Now that you mention it, I haven't seen them outside the last few
days.
Also, their windows are closed firmly, despite the fact that it has
been over 25 deg. centigrade and unusually sunny here, last week.

Hmm.......

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Sander deWaal wrote:
Jenn said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.


Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

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"Bret Ludwig" wrote:

Sander deWaal wrote:
Jenn said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections
is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.


Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

I didn't write any of the above.

Bret Ludwig wrote:

Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.

Well, not anymore. It used to be fairly common back in the 70s & 80s.
Agree that it's not a good idea.

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

I guess, if you enjoy soldering. Some of us have better things to do
with our time than put ends on cables. If I factor in the cost of my
time to build mic cables, premade cables are far cheaper.

//Walt

"Bret Ludwig" said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.


Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.


What's even *more* stupid is that no one mentioned "speaker cables"
anywhere in this thread, until you started going on about them.

But while we're on the subject of speaker cables, I agree indeed that
it would be a very stupid thing to use red herrings as speaker cable.
Not only are they probably too short for any meaningful use, they also
may act as some kind of rectifier for the larger voltages involved.
I'm not exactly sure as to what the knee voltage of a red herring is,
exactly (maybe Arny can fill you in, as he seems to be an expert on
all matters regarding "red herrings" ), but I suspect it may have an
adverse effect on the sound.


You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.


I *do* know what is where in general, thank you very much.
Also, I *never* buy anything when on a roll, especially cables.
Thirdly, "terminating" cables is a stupid idea, since cables as I know
them, are already dead. YMMV.

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Sander deWaal wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" said:


However, one of the major goals of audio gear that uses XLR
connections is
to be non-critical of cable and cable lengths.


You are right.
I tried to place a pair of red herrings inbetween a male and a female
XLR connector, and surely, that was not critical indeed.


Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.


What's even *more* stupid is that no one mentioned "speaker cables"
anywhere in this thread, until you started going on about them.

But while we're on the subject of speaker cables, I agree indeed that
it would be a very stupid thing to use red herrings as speaker cable.
Not only are they probably too short for any meaningful use, they also
may act as some kind of rectifier for the larger voltages involved.
I'm not exactly sure as to what the knee voltage of a red herring is,
exactly (maybe Arny can fill you in, as he seems to be an expert on
all matters regarding "red herrings" ), but I suspect it may have an
adverse effect on the sound.

I want to go on record as being against the use of fish as cables.



You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.


I *do* know what is where in general, thank you very much.
Also, I *never* buy anything when on a roll, especially cables.
Thirdly, "terminating" cables is a stupid idea, since cables as I know
them, are already dead. YMMV.

Jenn said:


But while we're on the subject of speaker cables, I agree indeed that
it would be a very stupid thing to use red herrings as speaker cable.
Not only are they probably too short for any meaningful use, they also
may act as some kind of rectifier for the larger voltages involved.
I'm not exactly sure as to what the knee voltage of a red herring is,
exactly (maybe Arny can fill you in, as he seems to be an expert on
all matters regarding "red herrings" ), but I suspect it may have an
adverse effect on the sound.


I want to go on record as being against the use of fish as cables.


My dear Jenn,

It is a sad day indeed when a foreigner (and a Dutchman to boot! )
such as yours truly has to explain to a native English speaking lady
that there *isn't such a thing as a red herring*, at least not in
terms of live fish.

Salted herring, yes, but that's usually a dead fish.

So, apart from the utter impossibility of using red herrings as
speaker cables because of their failing length, and possible
rectifying effects that can ruin the sound coming out of your
apeakers, red herrings are, in fact, not even really fish as such.

This makes your statement as "being against the use of fish as
cables", utterly rubbish and meaningless, because one simply *can't* .


Are you by any chance trying to mock me, young lady?
That would sadden me, really.

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Walt wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:

Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.

Well, not anymore. It used to be fairly common back in the 70s & 80s.
Agree that it's not a good idea.

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

I guess, if you enjoy soldering. Some of us have better things to do
with our time than put ends on cables. If I factor in the cost of my
time to build mic cables, premade cables are far cheaper.


If you were a pro user using dozens of them I'd accept that. For most
home users, terminating yourself is faster and more convenient. What,
can't you solder?

Sander deWaal wrote:
Jenn said:


But while we're on the subject of speaker cables, I agree indeed that
it would be a very stupid thing to use red herrings as speaker cable.
Not only are they probably too short for any meaningful use, they also
may act as some kind of rectifier for the larger voltages involved.
I'm not exactly sure as to what the knee voltage of a red herring is,
exactly (maybe Arny can fill you in, as he seems to be an expert on
all matters regarding "red herrings" ), but I suspect it may have an
adverse effect on the sound.


I want to go on record as being against the use of fish as cables.


My dear Jenn,

It is a sad day indeed when a foreigner (and a Dutchman to boot! )
such as yours truly has to explain to a native English speaking lady
that there *isn't such a thing as a red herring*, at least not in
terms of live fish.

Salted herring, yes, but that's usually a dead fish.

So, apart from the utter impossibility of using red herrings as
speaker cables because of their failing length, and possible
rectifying effects that can ruin the sound coming out of your
apeakers, red herrings are, in fact, not even really fish as such.

This makes your statement as "being against the use of fish as
cables", utterly rubbish and meaningless, because one simply *can't* .


Who gives a **** about a goddamned fish?

"Walt" wrote in message
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Bret Ludwig wrote:

Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.

Well, not anymore. It used to be fairly common back in the 70s & 80s.
Agree that it's not a good idea.

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

Only if your time is worth nothing or less.

I guess, if you enjoy soldering. Some of us have better things to do with
our time than put ends on cables. If I factor in the cost of my time to
build mic cables, premade cables are far cheaper.

It comes down to available time. I spend so much time working with finished
cables that I have no time to fabricate them, unless stock items aren't
available or are quite uneconomical.

The last two cable assemblies I built were RGBHV video cables made out of
solid copper core quad-shielded RG6 with BNC female connectors at both ends.
Just installed the last one.

One cable assembly was 77 feet long, and the other was 200 feet long. There
was about a quarter of a mile of coax in the job. Total parts cost was under
$200.

In contrast, mic cables are available in a wide variety of lengths for
economical prices. Its hard to pay for the parts, given the price of
finished assemblies. OTOH, I am willing to repair cables, as the cost
situation is reversed.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Who gives a **** about a goddamned fish?

No need to spazz out.

Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.

Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.

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Sander deWaal wrote:

Jenn said:


But while we're on the subject of speaker cables, I agree indeed that
it would be a very stupid thing to use red herrings as speaker cable.
Not only are they probably too short for any meaningful use, they also
may act as some kind of rectifier for the larger voltages involved.
I'm not exactly sure as to what the knee voltage of a red herring is,
exactly (maybe Arny can fill you in, as he seems to be an expert on
all matters regarding "red herrings" ), but I suspect it may have an
adverse effect on the sound.


I want to go on record as being against the use of fish as cables.


My dear Jenn,

It is a sad day indeed when a foreigner (and a Dutchman to boot! )
such as yours truly has to explain to a native English speaking lady
that there *isn't such a thing as a red herring*, at least not in
terms of live fish.

Salted herring, yes, but that's usually a dead fish.

So, apart from the utter impossibility of using red herrings as
speaker cables because of their failing length, and possible
rectifying effects that can ruin the sound coming out of your
apeakers, red herrings are, in fact, not even really fish as such.

This makes your statement as "being against the use of fish as
cables", utterly rubbish and meaningless, because one simply *can't* .


Are you by any chance trying to mock me, young lady?
That would sadden me, really.

I know ;-)

"Bret Ludwig" said:


Who gives a **** about a goddamned fish?


Huh?

Thanks Bart for admitting Bert that you're sense of humor is as
non-existing as a red hering Brat.

LOL. ;-)

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Who gives a **** about a goddamned fish?

No need to spazz out.

Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.

Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.

I'm on record as being against the mangling of sentences such as the one
above.

"Arny Krueger" said:


"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
roups.com...

Who gives a **** about a goddamned fish?


No need to spazz out.
Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.
Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.


Hodie mihi, cras tibi, Bret.

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Jenn said:


Are you by any chance trying to mock me, young lady?
That would sadden me, really.


I know ;-)


I want to go on record as being opposed to knowing.

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Jenn said:


Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.
Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.


I'm on record as being against the mangling of sentences such as the one
above.


I'm on record as being against practicing the "debating trade".

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The Big **** Krooglished:

adult attenting

No wonder you got kicked out of the Army, Arnii.




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Bret Ludwig wrote:
Walt wrote:

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

I guess, if you enjoy soldering. Some of us have better things to do
with our time than put ends on cables. If I factor in the cost of my
time to build mic cables, premade cables are far cheaper.

If you were a pro user using dozens of them I'd accept that.

Ok, you sussed me out: I'm a pro user who uses cables by the dozens.

For most home users, terminating yourself is faster and more convenient.

Most home users will melt the solder, connectors and insulation into an
amorphous blob while burning themselves. Not my idea of convienent.
But it can be entertaining.

What, can't you solder?

Yes I know how to solder, and I can even remember when it was fun.

//Walt

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Walt wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:

Using XLRs for speaker cable is stupid and not done in the pro world.

Well, not anymore. It used to be fairly common back in the 70s & 80s.
Agree that it's not a good idea.

You should buy your cable on the roll and terminate it yourself so you
know what is where.

I guess, if you enjoy soldering. Some of us have better things to do
with our time than put ends on cables. If I factor in the cost of my
time to build mic cables, premade cables are far cheaper.

If you were a pro user using dozens of them I'd accept that.

I probably have over 100 mic cables. I keep the spares in 40 gallon plastic
tubs, individually bagged.

For most home users, terminating yourself is faster and more convenient.

That may be true, but I'm not just a home user of mic cables.

What, can't you solder?

For over 50 years.

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Sander deWaal wrote:

Jenn said:


Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.
Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.


I'm on record as being against the mangling of sentences such as the one
above.


I'm on record as being against practicing the "debating trade".

I join you, for the record.

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Sander deWaal wrote:

Jenn said:


Are you by any chance trying to mock me, young lady?
That would sadden me, really.


I know ;-)


I want to go on record as being opposed to knowing.

I know that too ;-)

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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The Big **** Krooglished:

adult attenting

No wonder you got kicked out of the Army, Arnii.

Then was that?



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"Jenn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Sander deWaal wrote:

Jenn said:


Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.
Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.


I'm on record as being against the mangling of sentences such as the one
above.

I'm on record as being against practicing the "debating trade".

I join you, for the record.

I guess you did say something negative about George's hypocrisy Jenn, but
not your own.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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The Big **** Krooglished:

adult attenting

No wonder you got kicked out of the Army, Arnii.

Then was that?

Good question, given my honorable discharge with a good conduct medal. Maybe
Art is confusing me with Weil.

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
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Jenn said:


Are you by any chance trying to mock me, young lady?
That would sadden me, really.


I know ;-)


I want to go on record as being opposed to knowing.


That would be consistent with your behavior, Sander.

Jenn said:

I'm on record as being against practicing the "debating trade".

I join you, for the record.


Thank's Jen for admitting Jann that you can't afford a Debating Tirade
license Jnen.





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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Sander deWaal wrote:

Jenn said:


Sander and Jenn are just trolling and acting childish, again.
Starvation for adult attenting seems to do that to some folks.


I'm on record as being against the mangling of sentences such as the one
above.

I'm on record as being against practicing the "debating trade".

I join you, for the record.

I guess you did say something negative about George's hypocrisy Jenn, but
not your own.

I also go on record opposing gratuitous attacks.

Clyde Slick said:

adult attenting

No wonder you got kicked out of the Army, Arnii.

Then was that?

If you ask why (or thy, in the current version of Krooglish), I believe
the answer is because Mr. ****'s attenting was poor.






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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Jenn said:

I'm on record as being against practicing the "debating trade".

I join you, for the record.


Thank's Jen for admitting Jann that you can't afford a Debating Tirade
license Jnen.

George is really hurting now.

"Arny Krueger" said:


I want to go on record as being opposed to knowing.


That would be consistent with your behavior, Sander.


Consistent with some of my *online* behaviour, sure.

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Jenn said:


I also go on record opposing gratuitous attacks.


I don't, lest I be accused of hypocrisy.
Come to think of it, I want to go on record as to be opposed to
hypocracy, which is known on RAO as the Borg-variant.

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"Arny Krueger" said:


No wonder you got kicked out of the Army, Arnii.


Then was that?


Good question, given my honorable discharge with a good conduct medal. Maybe
Art is confusing me with Weil.


You must have been awfully good in fixing radars in the snow then.
Now let me think, that involved replacing tubes, right? ;-)

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