Since I'm going to be recording without a control room, the optimal place
for monitoring may very well be out of sight of the performers. Much of the
setup time will involve running back and forth between the board and the
performers in order to position the microphones.

I'm wondering if a wireless TV camera could be used in conjunction with cell
phones or walkie talkies to cut some time off this process. I could give
instructions to performers or an assistant in the room on mic placement.

Has anyone tried this? Can anyone suggest a wireless camera system,
preferably with a flat panel display, or with a usb converter in order to
use the laptop as a monitor?

Sweet Christ...wireless cameras, cell phones...yes you _could_ do all
that. You're considering spending money on convenience before you have
a good set of mics? Your priorities are out of whack.

It's not that complicated. Good stereo pair in a good room with good
performers. Worry about _THAT_. Worry about time of day to record in
the space to minimize interruptions/traffic/other noise. Worry about
being able to put together a schedule when all your performers are
rested and in top shape. Worry about access to the A/C in the room.
Worry about squeaky chairs/floors that the performers will sit on.
Worry about the flute needing new pads because it's too clanky when
solo. Worry about the damn piano being in tune on the recording day.

Multi-mic setups, snakes, video communication, walkie talkies and the
other crap will come later, when you realize that your gigs are getting
too big/fast and you need technological or human help because otherwise
you will LOSE the gigs in question. By the time you NEED to have this
stuff, you will (or SHOULD) be making enough money on this to hire a
competent assistant. Start with a good set of headphones and if your
recorder doesn't have a good headphone amp, buy something decent (I
like the OZ audio or the Rane can amps; the new Behringer is not too
bad) to supplement it so you CAN crank it if you need to. You want to
listen and move the mics? Make a long headphone extension cable.

You're making up problems so far. Get two mics, a recorder and a set
of cans and go record something. Listen to it at home and figure out
what you don't like about it. Then figure out a way to change your
method so that the next one comes out better.

There is no way to foresee everything and there is certainly no way to
transfer experience between people. You've gotten every bit of
information a beginning recorder needs. Go get some of YOUR OWN
experience, come back, share it, then we can talk.

--Vas

"vas" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sweet Christ...wireless cameras, cell phones...yes you _could_ do all
that. You're considering spending money on convenience before you have
a good set of mics? Your priorities are out of whack.

It's not that complicated. Good stereo pair in a good room with good
performers. Worry about _THAT_.

Sorry, Vas. A stereo pair can provide a marvelous experience for the
audiophile, but is insufficient to satisfy the needs of my associates.

Worry about time of day to record in
the space to minimize interruptions/traffic/other noise. Worry about
being able to put together a schedule when all your performers are
rested and in top shape.

Vas, not my job.

Worry about access to the A/C in the room.

Vas, due to the particular relationship with my associates, they take on
much of the responsibility the producer would normally have.

Worry about squeaky chairs/floors that the performers will sit on.

Actually, I've been through that, with a TV pilot I did.

Worry about the flute needing new pads because it's too clanky when
solo. Worry about the damn piano being in tune on the recording day.

Not my problem, Vas. If it happens, I will mention it to the responsible
person.

Multi-mic setups, snakes, video communication, walkie talkies and the
other crap will come later, when you realize that your gigs are getting
too big/fast and you need technological or human help because otherwise
you will LOSE the gigs in question.

Did you read in a past thread that I'm not doing this for a fee?

By the time you NEED to have this
stuff, you will (or SHOULD) be making enough money on this to hire a
competent assistant. Start with a good set of headphones and if your
recorder doesn't have a good headphone amp, buy something decent (I
like the OZ audio or the Rane can amps; the new Behringer is not too
bad) to supplement it so you CAN crank it if you need to.

I never crank the phones. My hearing is very good, and I want to keep it.

.. You want to
listen and move the mics? Make a long headphone extension cable.

There is a very strong argument that it is impossible to be sufficiently
isolated.

You're making up problems so far. Get two mics, a recorder and a set
of cans and go record something.

Vas, I have ten channels of 24/96 to hard disk, and twenty mics.

Listen to it at home and figure out
what you don't like about it. Then figure out a way to change your
method so that the next one comes out better.

Vas, I've been doing film production sound since 2001 with an HHB Portadat
and Sennheiser shotguns.

There is no way to foresee everything and there is certainly no way to
transfer experience between people. You've gotten every bit of
information a beginning recorder needs. Go get some of YOUR OWN
experience, come back, share it, then we can talk.

I've done two film soundtracks, one chamber recital, and one TV show.

So what about the camera?

Robert Morein wrote:
Since I'm going to be recording without a control room, the optimal place
for monitoring may very well be out of sight of the performers. Much of the
setup time will involve running back and forth between the board and the
performers in order to position the microphones.

I'm wondering if a wireless TV camera could be used in conjunction with cell
phones or walkie talkies to cut some time off this process.

PLOP!

Maybe if you had a camera operator so you could actually see how a mic
was set, that would work. I use a video camera sometimes on a remote
when I'm out of view of the stage but that's just to give me an idea of
what's going on - why I don't hear a mandolin because the mandolin
player is playing harmonica into his vocal mic and such. I use an
intercom (not wireless but I suppose it could be) to give instructions
to the people in the studio - everybody does. You just tell the guitar
player to move the mic a little this way or that and have him play a
little while you listen on your monitors. Simple as that.

Robert Morein wrote:
"vas" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sweet Christ...wireless cameras, cell phones...yes you _could_ do all
that. You're considering spending money on convenience before you have
a good set of mics? Your priorities are out of whack.

It's not that complicated. Good stereo pair in a good room with good
performers. Worry about _THAT_.

Sorry, Vas. A stereo pair can provide a marvelous experience for the
audiophile, but is insufficient to satisfy the needs of my associates.

Ok, so what EXACTLY is the WHOLE problem? You give small tidbits, but
what's the actual project? What specifically are you trying to
accomplish?

Multi-mic setups, snakes, video communication, walkie talkies and the
other crap will come later, when you realize that your gigs are getting
too big/fast and you need technological or human help because otherwise
you will LOSE the gigs in question.

Did you read in a past thread that I'm not doing this for a fee?

No. But now I have. So you're doing this as a favor? As a learning
experience?


By the time you NEED to have this
stuff, you will (or SHOULD) be making enough money on this to hire a
competent assistant. Start with a good set of headphones and if your
recorder doesn't have a good headphone amp, buy something decent (I
like the OZ audio or the Rane can amps; the new Behringer is not too
bad) to supplement it so you CAN crank it if you need to.

I never crank the phones. My hearing is very good, and I want to keep it.

You sometimes need to, for a short period of time; for instance, to
evaluate something close to the noise floor, like a reverb tail.
Regardless, it's nice to have the option.


. You want to
listen and move the mics? Make a long headphone extension cable.

There is a very strong argument that it is impossible to be sufficiently
isolated.

Go do it, see if you can make good decisions on site, and then we can
'argue'. It all depends on the situation in question.


You're making up problems so far. Get two mics, a recorder and a set
of cans and go record something.

Vas, I have ten channels of 24/96 to hard disk, and twenty mics.

Great. What mics? What's the project? BTW, this mentioning of my
name in every sentence is really ****ing annoying.


Listen to it at home and figure out
what you don't like about it. Then figure out a way to change your
method so that the next one comes out better.

Vas, I've been doing film production sound since 2001 with an HHB Portadat
and Sennheiser shotguns.

I don't really give a **** what gear you used. Plenty of people can
afford expensive toys. So, are you a beginner or an experienced
warrior or something in between? Your questions indicate the former,
yet you now say you've done a bunch of stuff. What's the project, in
detail?

There is no way to foresee everything and there is certainly no way to
transfer experience between people. You've gotten every bit of
information a beginning recorder needs. Go get some of YOUR OWN
experience, come back, share it, then we can talk.

I've done two film soundtracks, one chamber recital, and one TV show.

Congratulations. What did you learn from the chamber recital (seeing
as that particular experience is the most applicable to the situation
you have, not to discount the others)? What setup did you use, what
advantages/disadvantages did it have, were you satisifed with the
results and what would you do differently today if you could?


So what about the camera?

Wireless is expensive. Get a run of coax, you're already running
cables anyway. Don't use the recording laptop for anything but
recording, so forget about USB/Firewire unless you're planning to bring
another machine for that purpose. Don't know a good cheap make/model
off the top of my head, the video guys you did the TV/film work with
would be much better equipped to help you with that. You could get a
wired remote pan/tilt head for the tripod as well as a wired remote, or
IR repeaters for the camera, so you could move/zoom/focus it from your
monitoring location. Or you could just get an assistant who
understands a thing or two about recording.

--Vas

Mike Rivers wrote:
Robert Morein wrote:
Since I'm going to be recording without a control room, the optimal place
for monitoring may very well be out of sight of the performers. Much of the
setup time will involve running back and forth between the board and the
performers in order to position the microphones.

I'm wondering if a wireless TV camera could be used in conjunction with cell
phones or walkie talkies to cut some time off this process.

PLOP!

Maybe if you had a camera operator so you could actually see how a mic
was set, that would work. I use a video camera sometimes on a remote
when I'm out of view of the stage but that's just to give me an idea of
what's going on - why I don't hear a mandolin because the mandolin
player is playing harmonica into his vocal mic and such. I use an
intercom (not wireless but I suppose it could be) to give instructions
to the people in the studio - everybody does. You just tell the guitar
player to move the mic a little this way or that and have him play a
little while you listen on your monitors. Simple as that.


The X10 stuff works passably well for this application...cheap enough as
well. If you let them get your email addy, they'll never leave you
alone, however.

jak

"jakdedert" wrote in message
. ..
Mike Rivers wrote:
Robert Morein wrote:
Since I'm going to be recording without a control room, the optimal
place
for monitoring may very well be out of sight of the performers. Much of
the
setup time will involve running back and forth between the board and the
performers in order to position the microphones.

I'm wondering if a wireless TV camera could be used in conjunction with
cell
phones or walkie talkies to cut some time off this process.

PLOP!

Maybe if you had a camera operator so you could actually see how a mic
was set, that would work. I use a video camera sometimes on a remote
when I'm out of view of the stage but that's just to give me an idea of
what's going on - why I don't hear a mandolin because the mandolin
player is playing harmonica into his vocal mic and such. I use an
intercom (not wireless but I suppose it could be) to give instructions
to the people in the studio - everybody does. You just tell the guitar
player to move the mic a little this way or that and have him play a
little while you listen on your monitors. Simple as that.


The X10 stuff works passably well for this application...cheap enough as
well. If you let them get your email addy, they'll never leave you alone,
however.

jak

Excellent. I'll have a look.

In article , "vas"
wrote:

Sweet Christ...wireless cameras, cell phones...yes you _could_ do all
that. You're considering spending money on convenience before you have
a good set of mics? Your priorities are out of whack.

He's spending MY money for this new hobby. Just like that last few (movie
producer, inventor, high-speed pump designer) he spends my hard-earned money
to get all the right props, so he can pretend he's now a sound engineer.

He'd rather do this than try to enroll in a school (he gets frustrated with
educators that don't agree with his uneducated ideas) or actually apprentice
at the feet of some well know professional, like his stalking victim Bryan
McCarty.

"OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION" is actually Robert Morein, a pest on
rec.audio.marketplace, where he accuses innocent sellers of various
misdeeds. He appears to be a pathological liar, with unknown motivations.

Morein is the owner of websites http://www.studentsandthelaw.org, which have
used fraudulent advertising in attempts to attract investors. Both have been
unsuccessful. Morein is known to associate with sexual predators and
pedophiles including Brian McCarty. http://tinyurl.com/dua95

Morein is an Israeli expatriate, originally from the Trenton area, where he
went to college for 12 years without any degree ever being conferred. He
then tried suing Drexel University for fraud, but the court rejected
Morein's arguments. As everyone with a lick of sense does. Morein is known
to associate with sexual predators and pedophiles including Brian McCarty.
http://tinyurl.com/dua95

Morien is currently living in his daddy's house in Dresher Pennsylvania,
where he manages to stalk a wide variety of people while swilling beer and
ogling the neighbors. He has no job. He never has. He never will. Morein is
known to associate with sexual predators and
pedophiles including Brian McCarty. http://tinyurl.com/dua95
His daddy's house is located at

1570 Arran Way
Dresher, PA
215-646-4894

Morien lives at 1570 Arran Way, Dresher Pennsylvania,
a bit west of metropolitan Philadelphia.
Morein is known to associate with sexual predators and
pedophiles including Brian McCarty. http://tinyurl.com/dua95

Robert Morein can be contacted at

Brian L. McCarty wrote in message
...
In article , "vas"
wrote:

Sweet Christ...wireless cameras, cell phones...yes you _could_ do all
that. You're considering spending money on convenience before you have
a good set of mics? Your priorities are out of whack.

He's spending MY money for this new hobby. Just like that last few (movie

Brian, I have an idea. Your mike cabinet looks awfully ba
http://coralseastudios.com/mics.html It's been that way every since 1995.
Why don't you thow a bunch of Chinese mikes in there? Ya know, make it look
like a more realistic scam?

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

Brian L. McCarty wrote in message
...
In article
,
"vas" wrote:
Sweet Christ...wireless cameras, cell phones...yes you
_could_ do all that. You're considering spending money
on convenience before you have a good set of mics? Your priorities are
out of whack.

He's spending MY money for this new hobby. Just like
that last few (movie

Brian, I have an idea. Your mike cabinet looks awfully
ba http://coralseastudios.com/mics.html It's been
that way every since 1995. Why don't you thow a bunch of
Chinese mikes in there? Ya know, make it look like a more
realistic scam?

Bob, I think you ought to give him extra credit for using a wide variety of
"under construction" graphics. ;-)

"I. Care" wrote in message
.net...
In article ,
says...
[snip]
Well the obvious simple answer is DON'T give him any of YOUR money to
spend. That will force him to get a job and pay his own way. An adult
grown son/daughter has no "rights" to live with and be supported by you.
--
I. Care
Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-}

Dear "I Care",
The post you are responding to is a forgery by Brian L. McCarty, an
ex-sound man who runs the scams http://www.coralseastudios.com, and
http://www.worldjazz.com . My father has never posted to usenet.
Regards,
Bob Morein