Hi all:

I recently bought a MacBook Pro laptop, and I purchased Logic Pro 7 (largly
due to cost)... I am new to logic, but so far, I have been pleased.

I have some unfinished projects on my old G4 Mac (OS 9) using Nuendo 1.51.
I would like to finish the tracks and mix them on the MacBook.

I have tried to import the files using OMF (the manuals say this will
work), but the new mac will not recognize the files... actually, logic does
recognize the files, it just cannot open them). I have perused the
newsgroups, with no luck. Does anyone here have any suggestions, or better
yet, has anyone encoutered this problem and solved it?

Any help is appreciated.


Thanks,


Ratt Mahem
www.themourningsickness.com

I purchased Logic Pro 7 ...I have some unfinished projects on my old G4 Mac
(OS 9) using Nuendo 1.51

The upgrade cost of Nuendo 1 to Nuendo 3 is less than buying Logic from
scratch. And Nuendo is a better program, AND Nuendo is cross platform. And
Steinberg doesn't drop users without flinching. You're better off staying
with Nuendo.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

I recently bought a MacBook Pro laptop, and I purchased Logic Pro 7 (largly
due to cost)... I am new to logic, but so far, I have been pleased.

I have some unfinished projects on my old G4 Mac (OS 9) using Nuendo 1.51.
I would like to finish the tracks and mix them on the MacBook.

I have tried to import the files using OMF (the manuals say this will
work), but the new mac will not recognize the files... actually, logic does
recognize the files, it just cannot open them). I have perused the
newsgroups, with no luck. Does anyone here have any suggestions, or better
yet, has anyone encoutered this problem and solved it?

Ratt,

Check out this URL - its Logic Nuendo rather than Nuendo Logic, but
it recommends not using OMF and rather doing a straight import. This
discussion group may be able to give you some tips for going the other
direction.

http://www.nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10267

If you need any help with Logic, please let me know as our lead
instructor teaches Logic as well as Final Cut Studio, After Effects and
Lightwave. We also have a pro audio specialist on staff who primarily
uses Pro Tools but dabbles in other software as well.

Good luck,

cb

The upgrade cost of Nuendo 1 to Nuendo 3 is less than buying Logic from
scratch. And Nuendo is a better program.

What a strange thing to say or did you just forget to put an "I think"
somewhere in the line. Platform wars are a waste of time, it´s all a matter
of taste. To me Logic is good enough to change from PC to Mac, you think
Nuendo is great, fine. Fender-Gibson, Roland-Korg, Mercedes-BMW......the
list is endless.

"Ted Perlman" wrote in
et:

I purchased Logic Pro 7 ...I have some unfinished projects on my old
G4 Mac (OS 9) using Nuendo 1.51

The upgrade cost of Nuendo 1 to Nuendo 3 is less than buying Logic
from scratch. And Nuendo is a better program, AND Nuendo is cross
platform. And Steinberg doesn't drop users without flinching. You're
better off staying with Nuendo.



Thanks for the unsolicited advice...

I never upgraded to Nuendo 2.0 because of the litany of complaints from
users about bugs and lack of support (I do a lot of research before I buy).
Maybe 3.0 is better, but Logic is downright cheap if you are an educator.
Even 1.5 crashes unexpectedly (sometimes it will work fine for days
uninterupted). The bizarre thing is it almost always crashes when this
particular bass player enters the studio.


Ratt Mahem
www.themourningsickness.com

"Mr. Tapeguy" wrote in
oups.com:


I recently bought a MacBook Pro laptop, and I purchased Logic Pro 7
(largly due to cost)... I am new to logic, but so far, I have been
pleased.

I have some unfinished projects on my old G4 Mac (OS 9) using Nuendo
1.51. I would like to finish the tracks and mix them on the MacBook.

I have tried to import the files using OMF (the manuals say this will
work), but the new mac will not recognize the files... actually,
logic does recognize the files, it just cannot open them). I have
perused the newsgroups, with no luck. Does anyone here have any
suggestions, or better yet, has anyone encoutered this problem and
solved it?

Ratt,

Check out this URL - its Logic Nuendo rather than Nuendo Logic,
but it recommends not using OMF and rather doing a straight import.
This discussion group may be able to give you some tips for going the
other direction.

http://www.nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10267

If you need any help with Logic, please let me know as our lead
instructor teaches Logic as well as Final Cut Studio, After Effects
and Lightwave. We also have a pro audio specialist on staff who
primarily uses Pro Tools but dabbles in other software as well.

Good luck,

cb



CB:

Thanks much for the info... I will definately check it out. I will
probably end up just importing AIFF files one at a time straight into
logic, and aligning them from there. I was hoping to avoid that.



Ratt Mahem
www.themourningsickness.com

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
et...
I purchased Logic Pro 7 ...I have some unfinished projects on my old G4
Mac
(OS 9) using Nuendo 1.51

The upgrade cost of Nuendo 1 to Nuendo 3 is less than buying Logic from
scratch. And Nuendo is a better program, AND Nuendo is cross platform. And
Steinberg doesn't drop users without flinching. You're better off staying
with Nuendo.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com



ditto. Nuendo 2 rocks also.

Ted, I know you got your nose bent out of joint with EMagic a while
back but Ratt has already purchased a MacBook Pro and Logic. There's
no point in getting into an argument over that. He was asking a
specific question about a setup he's already invested in.

Nuendo is a great program but so is Logic - each will have its
advantages and people will prefer one or the other subjectively.

cb

Ted Perlman wrote:
I purchased Logic Pro 7 ...I have some unfinished projects on my old G4 Mac
(OS 9) using Nuendo 1.51

The upgrade cost of Nuendo 1 to Nuendo 3 is less than buying Logic from
scratch. And Nuendo is a better program, AND Nuendo is cross platform. And
Steinberg doesn't drop users without flinching. You're better off staying
with Nuendo.

nappy wrote:


yawn

"Mr. Tapeguy" wrote in message
oups.com...

nappy wrote:


yawn


Very good point Tapeguy. Astute observation. Glad you took the time to point
that out. Again.. a vital contribution.

What a strange thing to say or did you just forget to put an "I think"
somewhere in the line

I was a Logic beta tester for many years, so I think I know the program
pretty well. And I've been a full time Nuendo user for many years as well.

My statement stands.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

Nuendo is a great program but so is Logic

Anybody who works across State and Country lines as I do cannot afford to
use a program that flies in the face of modern thinking - the concept of
cross-platform capability. Even Cakewalk is finally crossing the lines. It's
only backwards-looking companies like the former Emagic and Mark Of The
Devil that continue to regress back to the dark days of the early 90's when
supporting one platform was the norm, not the exception. With ProTools and
Nuendo/Cubase equal on both platforms, I cannot fathom any company not
understanding that.



--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

Ted Perlman wrote:
What a strange thing to say or did you just forget to put an "I think"
somewhere in the line

I was a Logic beta tester for many years, so I think I know the program
pretty well. And I've been a full time Nuendo user for many years as well.

My statement stands.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman

I think you probably gave a fair assessment based on your experience.
Not everyone prefaces everything with IMHO (although they arguably
should). As I always say it's a highly subjective decision for anyone.
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Regardless, he had
already made his choice and the best advice is what helps him with the
situation he inherits.

Ted Perlman wrote:

Anybody who works across State and Country lines as I do cannot afford to
use a program that flies in the face of modern thinking - the concept of
cross-platform capability. Even Cakewalk is finally crossing the lines. It's
only backwards-looking companies like the former Emagic and Mark Of The
Devil that continue to regress back to the dark days of the early 90's when
supporting one platform was the norm, not the exception. With ProTools and
Nuendo/Cubase equal on both platforms, I cannot fathom any company not
understanding that.

Well Apple has not been known for developing Windows software and
despite that, Final Cut Studio has grown by leaps and bounds. Still,
it might have been good for them, although I suspect their strategy was
to develop Logic into the powerhouse FCS has become. That's a hard row
to hoe given the market dominance of Pro Tools and to a lesser degree,
Nuendo but they have achieved it video so i wouldn't be surprised.

Of course everyone has different priorities and I've said many times,
it's very subjective. Pro Tools is certainly more proliferated than
Nuendo and some producers might want to use it largely based on that
level of compatibility. For others, it might strictly be a matter of
the interface or specific features.

Different strokes...

cb

In article ,
"Ted Perlman" wrote:

Anybody who works across State and Country lines as I do cannot afford to
use a program that flies in the face of modern thinking - the concept of
cross-platform capability. Even Cakewalk is finally crossing the lines. It's
only backwards-looking companies like the former Emagic and Mark Of The
Devil that continue to regress back to the dark days of the early 90's when
supporting one platform was the norm, not the exception. With ProTools and
Nuendo/Cubase equal on both platforms, I cannot fathom any company not
understanding that.



--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com




It's obviously been a great business decision for Apple in the world of
video. Final Cut is a growing, major success.

Apple said at the recent NAB that there are now 500,000 people running
the software. That'sa lotta folks editing video!! And every one of them
is running Apple hardware.

I think a very small company like MOTU never saw the ROI at the end of
the rainbow for shipping a Windows version of Performer. Personally, I
think they were right to stick to their knitting. Opcode went dual
platform for Vision. And disappeared from the face of the earth.






David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

david correia wrote:

It's obviously been a great business decision for Apple in the world of
video. Final Cut is a growing, major success.

Apple said at the recent NAB that there are now 500,000 people running
the software. That'sa lotta folks editing video!! And every one of them
is running Apple hardware.

I think a very small company like MOTU never saw the ROI at the end of
the rainbow for shipping a Windows version of Performer. Personally, I
think they were right to stick to their knitting. Opcode went dual
platform for Vision. And disappeared from the face of the earth.


David,

Interesting post...obviously the statistics dictate clearly that, at
least in our industry, not being dual platform is not necessarily the
kiss of death. FCS is possibly the best example of that.

I personally have not used MOTU or really looked at the interface.
Ironically the one time we sold a MOTU package it was in conjunction
with a Logic setup. They have never made huge market penetration, yet
continue to survive and their name is well known. It's hard to say if
going dual platform killed Vision, which I also know little about. I
suspect that the best products can stick around despite obstacles and
in some cases (FCS, Logic) actually grow whereas others may try to
appeal to users of more than one platform and yet still fail due to a
less desireable interface, fewer features or something totally
unrelated such as mismanagement.

Craig

Apple has not been known for developing Windows software

The Windows version of iTunes software is one of the best written Windows
apps I have ever used. I wrote to Apple "if your engineers can write Windows
software this good, I shudder to think what would happen if you decided to
release other software, or even (gasp) an operating system for Windows
authored by Apple". (OSX for Windows?). Apple/Emagic's developers have
probably had to go back and reuse certain Windows elements of the Logic code
to be compatible with the new Intel Macs. There's no reason other than pure
asshole-ness why they couldn't have kept Logic cross-platform as it was for
many years prior. They thought they'd sell more G5's if they forced Windows
Logic users to switch platforms. Bad move - they would have had more Logic
users who would have FINALLY bought Intel Macs so they could run Windows and
Logic. I don't know why those buttheads couldn't see that.



--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

Apple said at the recent NAB that there are now 500,000 people running
the software

As one who remembers Apple's (& Swee****er Sound) infamous "the G5, the
fastest computer on the planet" statement (among others), Apple has never
been known for adhering to accuracy in their public announcements.

Opcode went dual platform for Vision. And disappeared from the face of the
earth

I used Vision for Windows. It was a BADLY written software. Nothing worked.
Horrible. Plus, Gibson bought Opcode around that time, and then didn;t know
what to do with it. So they let it die because nobody wanted it. By then,
all the Mac Vision users had switched to Logic or ProTools. DP has a limited
life left anyway. In a few years it won;t even matter, and someone else will
either own MOTD (Mark Of The Devil) or else they will simply cease to exist.
There are other excellent companies like M-Audio, RME, and Presonus who make
better hardware anyway. And have MUCH better tech support. MOTD have lousy
support.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

In article ,
"Ted Perlman" wrote:

Apple said at the recent NAB that there are now 500,000 people running
the software

As one who remembers Apple's (& Swee****er Sound) infamous "the G5, the
fastest computer on the planet" statement (among others), Apple has never
been known for adhering to accuracy in their public announcements.



I doubt any working video editor would disagree with the statement that
Final Cut has become a major force in the industry. And it's still
growing in popularity.

At NAB, the big hardware guys like Sony and Panasonic were touting the
interoperability of their high end HD products with FC.





I used Vision for Windows. It was a BADLY written software. Nothing worked.
Horrible. Plus, Gibson bought Opcode around that time, and then didn;t know
what to do with it. So they let it die because nobody wanted it. By then,
all the Mac Vision users had switched to Logic or ProTools. DP has a limited
life left anyway. In a few years it won;t even matter, and someone else will
either own MOTD (Mark Of The Devil) or else they will simply cease to exist.
There are other excellent companies like M-Audio, RME, and Presonus who make
better hardware anyway. And have MUCH better tech support. MOTD have lousy
support.


I don't know why you think MOTU is gonna go away. If you go to a place
like the Berklee School of Music, Performer is the default MIDI software
for the whole college.

I know first hand that back in the 90's, MOTU's telephone tech support
was like Waiting for Godot.





David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

If you go to a place like the Berklee School of Music, Performer is the
default MIDI software
for the whole college

My point exactly. Berklee has nothing to do with the real world in any way,
shape or form. It's typical of that school that they would use DP
exclusively, and send out all those students into the real world where DP is
not the force it might be in Boston.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

In article ,
"Ted Perlman" wrote:

There's no reason other than pure
asshole-ness why they couldn't have kept Logic cross-platform as it was for
many years prior. They thought they'd sell more G5's if they forced Windows
Logic users to switch platforms. Bad move - they would have had more Logic
users who would have FINALLY bought Intel Macs so they could run Windows and
Logic. I don't know why those buttheads couldn't see that.



Again, I'd suggest that it's really more about the tininess of the
market and ROI more than asshole-ness. For a huge company like Apple,
the amount of people running Logic for Windows was clearly not important
to them.

One of the reasons they bought Logic was for the engine, which they
moved into Garageband and now Soundtrack Pro. Our little world of MIDI
doesn't means a helluvalot to a company selling around $20 billion of
stuff a year.

Note that Apple does ship Filemaker for both platforms. There are lots
more customers using database products.






David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

In article ,
"Ted Perlman" wrote:

If you go to a place like the Berklee School of Music, Performer is the
default MIDI software
for the whole college

My point exactly. Berklee has nothing to do with the real world in any way,
shape or form. It's typical of that school that they would use DP
exclusively, and send out all those students into the real world where DP is
not the force it might be in Boston.



Like there is any college preparing those who want to make a living with
music on how to do it.

Drop me a line when MOTU goes under.

I have a similar deal with Ty Ford here. I've promised to let him know
the next time I run into a problem with a mic's self noise.

Still not yet Ty ;





David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

Like there is any college preparing those who want to make a living with
music on how to do it.

I think BUT, MIT, and GIT here in LA come the closest. And the North Texas
State program is excellent. So are some of the courses being taught at UCLA
by Kenny Burrell and others. Very "real World". And so is the UCLA film
department. Also, the Recording Workshop.

I just think Berklee prepares students to be teachers, not players.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

In article ,
david correia wrote:

I think a very small company like MOTU never saw the ROI at the end of
the rainbow for shipping a Windows version of Performer. Personally, I
think they were right to stick to their knitting. Opcode went dual
platform for Vision. And disappeared from the face of the earth.

Opcode's disapearing act had far more to do with Gibson's post purchase
neglect, thaan with any choices about platforms.

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