Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

On 21 Apr 2006 23:47:28 -0700, wrote:

Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

there are 100s of good bands that have emerged in the last 25 years.
you aren't looking in the right place imho... but it could be down to
aging taste too... i can't stand most of what i hear on commercial
radio now. and then there's that weird thing about us people who "love
music" which really means we "love OUR music".

bob

bob wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 23:47:28 -0700, wrote:

Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?


There are amazing bands that have come out even recently. If you're
looking for a rehash of 70s rock, you might be disappointed. Thats
because rock has continued to evolve.. and I guess devolve too.

Bands like radiohead and tons of others have lead the super group pack
but there's lots of unbelieveable stuff that you don't hear every day.
But you've got to look. And to be honest you have to be ready to open
your mind and heart a bit.

ps: don't listen to the radio.

There are thousands of terrific pieces of music written over the past 500
years that you might find more profound, more involving, and possibly even
more entertaining than pop or rock. Have you considered investigating them?

wrote in
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Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge
and it hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ?

The good groups are out there. What went wrong is media
concentration. Concentration of the major labels has meant fewer
bands get contracts and concentration of the radio station
ownership means that fewer artists get airplay.

Where is the music?

It's in the garages, in the bars, on the indie labels, on hte
web. It is not on the radio and it is not on the major record
labels.

Dave Matthews sucks... he and his band are good
musicians, but his songs are all over the map.

That's your opinion, you are entitled to it.

Every other band has come and gone within one album.

That's because the concentrated media don't want superstars to
get enough power (popularity) to dictate terms and conditions.
But Dave Matthews is a different artist every release. :-)


Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric
Clapton, Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc.

It's in the 70's, where it belonged. Now it's eg. Guttermouth,
Strung Out, Propaghandi, Pennywise. Don't get me wrong, I'm 55
and love the old stuff. but the music has evolved. You have to
evolve too. Sitting back and "waiting 25 years" as you have
doesn't cut it dude.

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't
these youngsters play their instuments or at least make a
feeble attempt at decent songwriting?

I remember my parents complaining about how bad Hendrix sounded
to their ears.

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same
way?

I doubt you are alone. A wise man in a movie said "Stupid is as
stupid does".You can sit on your butt and do stupid or you can
go out and dig for the good music. We no longer have the
competition between record labels fighting for artists and no
longer have competition between radio stations for audience.
It's not gonna get handed to us on a silver platter these days.

That's how I feel.
--
Bob Quintal

PA is y I've altered my email address.

bob wrote:

there are 100s of good bands that have emerged in the last 25 years

Yes, that's about the right number. Along with those hundreds, there
are thousands that made a brief splash and disappeared into obscurity.
A&R has always preselected what we get to hear, some the put more money
into and they last longer, some have real talent and staying power,
some get dumped pretty quickly. But since it's so easy to "make a
record" these days and get the Internet version of airplay, there have
been tens of thousands of new bands emerging annally. It's much easier
to hit on the very ordinary than it used to be.

I don't know what's going to happen in the next 25 years. There's a lot
of today's music that's technically interesting and I can listen to one
or two hiphop songs a week without putting my foot through the radio,
but it all seems so temporary. I think that 25 years from now there
will be more people who remember Sergio Mendes' Brazil 66 than his
rather cool (in small doses) recent collaboration with will.i.am.

stevengale2 wrote ...
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music?
Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs
are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric
Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

LOL! Do you think your parents didn't say the same thing
about *their* music vs. *yours*? And your grandparents
about your parents' music? And the next generation about
YOUR music. :-)

"flatfish+++" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:28 -0700, stevengale2 wrote:

Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..


Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

You mean you are looking for songs that have melody, harmony, counterpoint
a decent lyric and a tune you can actually hum and remember?

Modern tunes for the most part don't fit that model.

You;ll have to listen to TV commercials because that's where most of the
60's and 70's stuff seems to be ending up these days.

Take a listen to some of the indie bands instead of commercial radio and
you might be surprised that some of it is pretty good.
The kids are very creative and some of the guitar work is innovative with
weird open chords and harmonies and so forth.
I appreciate that type of creativity even as a keyboard player because I
find myself thinking "wow that's an interesting change" when the tune
doesn't go where I think it is going to go.

Music evolves and history has proved that music actually leads the
evolution. Just look at the 50's with RnR and the 60's with protest music,
flower power and all that stuff.

BTW Jazz has gone through the same evolution with the "smooth jazz" craze
of the 80's that brought us (gag!) Kenny G, 4play and so forth.


Nah...Kenny G is not a jazz artist, he's an instrumental soul artist or
something else like that. Jazz music has not been effected because the
musicians who have carried that flame never sold many albums to begin with.
They are artists and not musical entertainers and there will always be jazz
music produced that just doesn't give a **** about weather or not anyone
listens to it or plays it on a radio.



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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:28 -0700, stevengale2 wrote:

Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..


Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

You mean you are looking for songs that have melody, harmony, counterpoint
a decent lyric and a tune you can actually hum and remember?

Modern tunes for the most part don't fit that model.

You;ll have to listen to TV commercials because that's where most of the
60's and 70's stuff seems to be ending up these days.

Take a listen to some of the indie bands instead of commercial radio and
you might be surprised that some of it is pretty good.
The kids are very creative and some of the guitar work is innovative with
weird open chords and harmonies and so forth.
I appreciate that type of creativity even as a keyboard player because I
find myself thinking "wow that's an interesting change" when the tune
doesn't go where I think it is going to go.

Music evolves and history has proved that music actually leads the
evolution. Just look at the 50's with RnR and the 60's with protest music,
flower power and all that stuff.

BTW Jazz has gone through the same evolution with the "smooth jazz" craze
of the 80's that brought us (gag!) Kenny G, 4play and so forth.


The mega oldies station 101FM in NYC changed it's format last year. This
was the home of Cousin Brucie, Harry Harrison amongst many other famous
DJ's.
I never thought I'd see the day when that happened.

Times change and the music more often than not is at the forefront of
change.

BTW if you're talking about RAP and it's many variants, most of that
doesn't even qualify as music. It's pure noise and vulgarity masquerading
as " artistic creativity".

--
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"

Bob Quintal wrote:

Where is the music?

It's in the garages, in the bars, on the indie labels, on hte
web. It is not on the radio and it is not on the major record
labels.

The amount of good live music that you find in bars is dwindling. There
are bars that hire cover bands, and there are bars that hire DJs. Indie
labels, web sites, and community radio (whose material comes from
people who produce it primarily for independent distribution) can
indeed come up with some pretty good music. The "major" indie labels
provide some sort of filtering, but the independent musician who has a
CD or MP3 files available is this huge crapshoot.

The other thing is that while you have to be a band, or at least a
performer, to play in a bar or club or Madison Square Garden, anybody
with the tools can produce a CD that sounds like a band (if they're
good, it does) but you can never see them perform, because they don't.
This sort of artist, no matter how good, will almost never get any
development other than whatever the underground buzz generates.

Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric
Clapton, Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc.

It's in the 70's, where it belonged. Now it's eg. Guttermouth,
Strung Out, Propaghandi, Pennywise.

But what do they do? Do they play instruments? Do they sing? I guess
they write songs and manipulate samples. That's a form of talent for
sure, and obviously there's a market for it.

I remember my parents complaining about how bad Hendrix sounded
to their ears.

I could be your parents, I guess. But I saw Hendrix play live a few
times and he just put on such a great show (not including the smashing
guitars) that it is impossible not to enjoy the experience (pun
unavoidable). There were just three guys on stage and the sound coming
off stage, while not always sonorous and sweet, always hung together
and you could see that everything that you heard was a result of
something you could see happening in real time. However, while I won't
turn off the radio when I hear a Hendrix song, I never really enjoyed
listening to him on record.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?


As far as rock is concerned I'm happy to listen to the oldies, in fact
"discovering" oldies I'd missed first time round is where I'm at these days.
I don't bother with new stuff except by "old artists", although these often
disappoint.

I recently realised that almost all of my favourite rock albums were from
between 1971 and 73, so for me its even narrower than the 70's.

I now also go to other genres: big band swing, Django, some other jazz,
early rock n roll, country, blues, some 60's soul and R&B, orchestral (late
19c early 20c), Bach, renaissance music.

I'm happy to be a Boring Old Fart, like the stuff I like and ignore the
rest. One of the few privileges of growing old is being a curmudgeon.

Regards


Andrew.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:55:44 -0700, Charles Tomaras wrote:


Nah...Kenny G is not a jazz artist, he's an instrumental soul artist or
something else like that. Jazz music has not been effected because the
musicians who have carried that flame never sold many albums to begin with.
They are artists and not musical entertainers and there will always be jazz
music produced that just doesn't give a **** about weather or not anyone
listens to it or plays it on a radio.

Here in NYC they call that stuff "smooth jazz" and even one of the first
radio stations to play it "CD 101.9" referred to it that way for years.
I call it elevator music

I agree Kenny isn't really a jazz player in the true sense of the term.
Also the true jazz market has always marched to a different drummer so to
speak and believe it or not we have several stations here that play that
kind of stuff.
They are mostly PBS and college stations, but the music is getting more
airplay than the RnR/Pop oldies are.



--
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"

asg wrote:

I recently realised that almost all of my favourite rock albums were from
between 1971 and 73, so for me its even narrower than the 70's.

You need to branch out just a bit ;-
The experimentation of the mid to late sixties served to define
new formulas that were expected (by the majors) to be followed
in the '70s if you were to be more than a "one hit wonder".


rd

"flatfish+++" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:55:44 -0700, Charles Tomaras wrote:


Nah...Kenny G is not a jazz artist, he's an instrumental soul artist or
something else like that. Jazz music has not been effected because the
musicians who have carried that flame never sold many albums to begin
with.
They are artists and not musical entertainers and there will always be
jazz
music produced that just doesn't give a **** about weather or not anyone
listens to it or plays it on a radio.

Here in NYC they call that stuff "smooth jazz" and even one of the first
radio stations to play it "CD 101.9" referred to it that way for years.
I call it elevator music

I agree Kenny isn't really a jazz player in the true sense of the term.
Also the true jazz market has always marched to a different drummer so to
speak and believe it or not we have several stations here that play that
kind of stuff.
They are mostly PBS and college stations, but the music is getting more
airplay than the RnR/Pop oldies are.

I check in with WBGO on the internet on a regular basis.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

While I'll agree that good musicianship and song writing does seem to be all
that 'popular' these days, there are still a lot of fans of it and lots of
musicians putting it out.

Here are a few of my favorites over the last 10 to 15 years, loosely ordered
from most accessible to stuff that takes a few listenings or eccentric
tastes.

Cold Play :
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000069AUI

Keane :
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000268QB2

Natalie Merchant :
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002HHB

Radiohead :
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002UJQ

Porcupine Tree :
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IU73/

Symphony X : two of my favorites on the site below are 'The Accolade' and
'Awakenings'
http://www.symphonyx.com/audio.html

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum :
www.sleepytimegorillamuseum.com/discography.html

Mr. Bungle :
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002LPW


--
John L Rice
www.DeliriumFix.com

"flatfish+++" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:55:44 -0700, Charles Tomaras wrote:


Nah...Kenny G is not a jazz artist, he's an instrumental soul artist or
something else like that. Jazz music has not been effected because the
musicians who have carried that flame never sold many albums to begin
with.
They are artists and not musical entertainers and there will always be
jazz
music produced that just doesn't give a **** about weather or not anyone
listens to it or plays it on a radio.

Here in NYC they call that stuff "smooth jazz" and even one of the first
radio stations to play it "CD 101.9" referred to it that way for years.
I call it elevator music

I remember back in the early 90's there was a "smooth jazz" station in Los
Angeles called "The Wave" which used the slogan "The soundtrack for Southern
California" or something like that. Guitarist Scott Henderson and his group
Tribal Tech could of course not get any airplay on that station so they
hysterically thumbed their noses at The Wave and issues the CD "Illicit"
which you can still purchase. See:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...g=UTF8&s=music

Anyway the lead track on the CD was called "The Big Wave" and was directly
aimed at making fun of that station. I've taken the liberty of excerpting
the first minute or so of that track and offer it as a 320kbps MP3 download
to the first 100 of you who want to grab it and have a great laugh! I'm
thinking Scott Henderson would approve of this. Please buy his albums if you
like it because Scott Henderson's music and the band Tribal Tech's music is
uncompromised in every regard...always has been and always will.

Here's the download link...good for 100 downloads or 14 days:
http://download.yousendit.com/D27D5C471BE105C8

Enjoy!

While I'll agree that good musicianship and song writing does seem

I meant to type DOESN'T

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...

"flatfish+++" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:55:44 -0700, Charles Tomaras wrote:


Nah...Kenny G is not a jazz artist, he's an instrumental soul artist or
something else like that. Jazz music has not been effected because the
musicians who have carried that flame never sold many albums to begin
with.
They are artists and not musical entertainers and there will always be
jazz
music produced that just doesn't give a **** about weather or not anyone
listens to it or plays it on a radio.

Here in NYC they call that stuff "smooth jazz" and even one of the first
radio stations to play it "CD 101.9" referred to it that way for years.
I call it elevator music

I remember back in the early 90's there was a "smooth jazz" station in Los
Angeles called "The Wave" which used the slogan "The soundtrack for
Southern California" or something like that. Guitarist Scott Henderson and
his group Tribal Tech could of course not get any airplay on that station
so they hysterically thumbed their noses at The Wave and issues the CD
"Illicit" which you can still purchase. See:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...g=UTF8&s=music

Anyway the lead track on the CD was called "The Big Wave" and was directly
aimed at making fun of that station. I've taken the liberty of excerpting
the first minute or so of that track and offer it as a 320kbps MP3
download to the first 100 of you who want to grab it and have a great
laugh! I'm thinking Scott Henderson would approve of this. Please buy his
albums if you like it because Scott Henderson's music and the band Tribal
Tech's music is uncompromised in every regard...always has been and always
will.

Here's the download link...good for 100 downloads or 14 days:
http://download.yousendit.com/D27D5C471BE105C8

Enjoy!

I want to add that Tribal Tech is co-led by Scott Henderson and bassist Gary
Willis and the excerpt I provided is a Gary Willis composition.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

Have you heard John Mayer? Keane? Five For Fighting? Norah Jones? Gin
Blossoms? Nirvana? Foo Fighters?

I hear a LOT of 70's/garage influence on the local modern rock station. Not
the same, but good. Things change. Enjoy the ride. Find a local band you
like and help them. Curse the darkness or light a candle.

Mikey
Nova Music Productions

I don't know what's going to happen in the next 25 years. There's a lot
of today's music that's technically interesting and I can listen to one
or two hiphop songs a week without putting my foot through the radio,
but it all seems so temporary. I think that 25 years from now there
will be more people who remember Sergio Mendes' Brazil 66 than his
rather cool (in small doses) recent collaboration with will.i.am.

You don't need a radio to listen to hip hop, you can hear it at any stop
light :-)

"Curse the darkness or light a candle."

God, I love that! Brilliant.
Thanks, Rick.

"eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton, Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence,
etc.. "

A lot of us who enjoyed these artist are now listening to the genre(s)
known as "alt-country", "roots-rock", "americana" (there is a lot of
debate as to what these terms include and don't include, but I don't
care, I'm in it for the music). Some of my favorites which you might
want to explo

The Drive-By Truckers (reminiscent of Lynyrd Skynard, Neil Young, the
Band, Blue Oyster Cult) www.drivebytruckers.com

Ryan Adams (he can be a bit all over the board stylistically, but
you'll hear every everything from Bob Dylan to the Replacements, from
the Grateful Dead to the Psychedelic Furs). www.ryan-adams.com

Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt, Wilco (the latter two came out of the former
(R.I.P). "AM" is my favorite Wilco album, very Stonesy)
www.sonvolt.net , www.wilcoworld.net

Not so altcountry, but still some favorites:

The Hold Steady (musically multi-influenced, think Springsteen, AC/DC,
Husker Du. Craig Finn more talks than sings, but if that doesn't
bother you, you may really enjoy it, I certainly do!)
www.theholdsteady.com

Bright Eyes (aka Conor Oberst, one of the "new Dylans". If you can get
past the hype,... His album "I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning" was one of
my favorite albums of last year) http://www.myspace.com/brighteyes

If any of these "do it for you", you may want to check out the forum at
www.altcountrytab.ca We sit around and talk about music all day long.
That's my main source for new music tips.

Hope that helps.


p.s. shameless plug www.myspace.com/johnny99theband (my band

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

You don't need a radio to listen to hip hop, you can hear it at any stop
light :-)

I can hear about as much of it as I want when certan cars drive by my
house.

Mikey wrote:
"Curse the darkness or light a candle."

God, I love that! Brilliant.
Thanks, Rick.

P.S. Regarding the slow, steady decline of pop music quality over the
past 3 decades, I'd like to offer an apology; It's all my fault. I
accept full responsibility and blame, and would like to say to the
world, "I'm genuinely very, very sorry for all the pain and suffering
I've caused."
As a 17 year old High School graduate in the 70's I had to decide
which of my two great passions to pursue; music or surfing. Obviously
I chose to indulge in surfing first, while I was still young, figuring
I could always do music when I was a geezer. Year after year the
weight of my own guilt has grown heavier upon my shoulders, as I
watched the ever-descending spiral of musicianship and especially
songwriting continue downwards at an accelerating pace. Sure, there
have been a few wonderful flickers of light along the way, but the bar
has definitely been lowered. It's because there's no Beatles or Dylan
on Hendrix or Motown to set the standard anymore. Mea Culpa, Mea
Culpa.... and I'm so, so sorry.
The good news is that the guilt has finally become too much for my
conscience to bear, and this year I finally released my first CD! The
spell has been broken, the downward cycle has finally bottomed out, and
things will get better now! Arriba!! :)
(Anyone taking me at all seriously, please note happyface. :)
Any r.a.p.sters who haven't yet received their free copy of "Jesus
In A Tortilla" by the Bucky Burro Band, just send me an email, or check
out Bucky at:

www.buckyburro.com
www.buckyburro.com/blog/
http://cdbaby.com/cd/buckyburro
http://www.myspace.com/buckyburro

Lyle Caldwell is currently working on the website so hopefully that
will soon be smoothly operational at last.
Cheers, Rick & Bucky.

You aren't alone. For this decade, I recommend Sufjan Stevens. Last
decade, I recommend Phish. 80's has tons. Try U2, The Smiths, for
starters.

rickymix wrote:

Lyle Caldwell is currently working on the website so hopefully that
will soon be smoothly operational at last.

Now that's a name out of the past. How the heck is ol' Lyle?

If you're looking for some good ****, check out the online replays of
Little Steven's outstanding radio show. A nice combo of old and new 100%
real MUSIC.




www.littlestevensundergroundgarage.com






David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

He's apparently been spending his time with his wife and kids instead
of here. Can't blame him for that. But I'll see if I can't get him to
drop by here and say, "Hi!"
Cheers, Rick.

wrote:
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map.

There is nothing wrong with an eclectic style. Liking or not liking a
band is all a matter of taste anyway.

Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

Unplug your ears and keep an open mind. There's lots of good music in
all kinds of styles, from experimental electronica to lower-bowel rock


RS

"Mike Rivers" wrote in
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Bob Quintal wrote:

It's in the 70's, where it belonged. Now it's eg.
Guttermouth, Strung Out, Propaghandi, Pennywise.

But what do they do? Do they play instruments? Do they sing? I
guess they write songs and manipulate samples. That's a form
of talent for sure, and obviously there's a market for it.

Yes they play instruments. Some play very well.
Check out the Mad Caddies, The have a live album called Live from
Toronto: Songs in the key of Eh. Listen to the horn section. The're
doing what Chicago might have evolved into.

Armchair Martian is good too,

--
Bob Quintal

PA is y I've altered my email address.

wrote:
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

Consider these guys:


http://cdbaby.com/cd/lathropgiller

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:10:39 +0000, Michael Wozniak wrote:


Have you heard John Mayer? Keane? Five For Fighting? Norah Jones? Gin
Blossoms? Nirvana? Foo Fighters?

John Mayer and Norah are very talented but I can take maybe 2 or 3 cuts
and then I want less.
IOW they all start to sound the same rather quickly.
However, compared to what else is out there................
I can't stand Nirvana, I think I was too old for the grunge scene
I like the Gin Blossoms.


I hear a LOT of 70's/garage influence on the local modern rock station. Not
the same, but good. Things change. Enjoy the ride. Find a local band you
like and help them. Curse the darkness or light a candle.

Good advice!


Mikey
Nova Music Productions
--
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"

Richard Crowley wrote:
stevengale2 wrote ...
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

LOL! Do you think your parents didn't say the same thing
about *their* music vs. *yours*? And your grandparents
about your parents' music? And the next generation about
YOUR music. :-)

One thing about the last couple of generations (since ours...I'm 53).
They still revere 'our' music! Today I chauffeured a field trip for a
gaggle of 15/16/17 year olds--half of them German exchange students. I
forgot to bring along any CD's, and the only good station in Nashville
faded before we got to the KY state line.

One of the German kids had along a two CD mix set, a birthday present
from his American host: U2, Pink Floyd, Stones, The Who, Beatles,
Queen...90% old stuff with a smattering of more contemporary artists. I
rocked out right along with the kids, all the way to Mammoth Cave and
back! My 29 yo son--when he was a teen--used to get into my LP stash
during the years that I didn't even have a decent turntable to play them
on. He wore out all my Jethro Tull records on a junk turntable with a
ceramic cart, before I got wise and put together another decent LP system.

Funny, I don't recall ever spinning any Crosby, Sinatra or Big Band
records when I was a teener (although I can certainly appreciate those
genres now). I remember pretending to be interested in the music my
parents tried to turn me on to...but these guys listen by choice. I can
pull out almost anything really good--of any genre from classical to
country--and listen with my 15 yo daughter (although it probably helps
that she's a musician). My dad never had to track down his LP's; but
I'm always having to burn copies of mine so the kids don't cop 'em.

I don't know if it says more about the current state of pop music, the
quality of 'our' music or the kids....

jak

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ok, so I've been waiting 25 years for a good group to emerge and it
hasn't happened.. what the hell went wrong ? Where is the music? Dave
Matthews sucks... he and his band are good musicians, but his songs are
all over the map. Every other band has come and gone within one album.
Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Am I relegated to listening to oldies? Why the __uck can't these
youngsters play their instuments or at least make a feeble attempt at
decent songwriting?

Am I alone and stupid or are there others who feel the same way?

Where is the musicianship from the 70's? eg Allman Bros, Eric Clapton,
Zepplin, Who, Doobie Bros, Creedence, etc..

Hell man, life's too short to practice when your engineer can just *create
the moment* with a digital editor.

Steven,
I was in total agreement all through the '90s, via satalite radio I
have found hope for the future. There seems to be a new group of
musicians with a respect for the roots of rock and roll.

There IS a trend of instrumental talent vs big boobed dancers. I don't
know about you but Jessica Simpson does nothing for me "on the radio".
Get yourself a satalite radio and start channel surfing. If nothing
else, there is '60s, '70s, and '80s stations.

My 2 cents,
Doc Weaver

jakdedert wrote in
:

My 29 yo son--when he was a teen--used to get into my LP
stash during the years that I didn't even have a decent turntable to
play them on. He wore out all my Jethro Tull records on a junk
turntable with a ceramic cart, before I got wise and put together
another decent LP system.

My 16 yo niece recently asked that I will my record collection to her. I
warned her that it would be quite a while, but she's patient.

Funny, I don't recall ever spinning any Crosby, Sinatra or Big Band
records when I was a teener (although I can certainly appreciate those
genres now).
"jakdedert"

Peoples tastes have to mature to "get" Sinatra, Crosbie etc. It'll be deemed
elevator music by the uninitiated(unfortunately), whereas back in the day,
the older folks heard incredibly well put together arrangements(played live
of course), and_that_was the only choice. Lucky buggers. Now, a preset, loop
and an attitude is all you get! The talent is still there, but very little
of it surfaces.

FTR,

Rick

On 22 Apr 2006 05:15:07 -0700, "Mike Rivers"
wrote:
there are 100s of good bands that have emerged in the last 25 years

Yes, that's about the right number. Along with those hundreds, there
are thousands that made a brief splash and disappeared into obscurity.
A&R has always preselected what we get to hear, some the put more money
into and they last longer, some have real talent and staying power,
some get dumped pretty quickly. But since it's so easy to "make a
record" these days and get the Internet version of airplay, there have
been tens of thousands of new bands emerging annally. It's much easier
to hit on the very ordinary than it used to be.

100s is the right number before 1980 too... just because there are
more bands, it doesn't mean there are a higher percentage of bad
ones... (although there could be...) i do like the emerging anallly
part though... ;-) it's easier to hit on the ordinary now because so
many ideas in pop and rock have been tried, i mean, now it's hard to
do "new" things with pop and rock because over the years SO much has
been tried or something like that. people writing pop songs in 197?
and earlier had a blanker slate (so to speak...). that's why there are
so many bands that impress me so much since 1980. they've created
great stuff using an aging paradigm... try yo la tengo or bedhead/the
new year or pavement or the pixies or low or the pogues or rheostatics
or the dirty three or magnetic fields or nina nastasia or mogwai or
lambchop or mates of state or neutral milk hotel or arcade fire or
luna or the shins or they might be giants or smog or or or or i could
go on forever and i'll always search out more... and everyone should--
that's partly why we're here, isn't it?

bob

Give Mike and the crew a big "hi" from me. Between commitments to my
family and the ugly right wing nutjobs taking over r.a.p. in 2004 I had
just
had enough. I may venture back in a while, but it's hard to find time
for
groups - they are very time consuming.

- Lyle Caldwell

rickymix wrote:
Lyle Caldwell is currently working on the website so hopefully that
will soon be smoothly operational at last.

Mike Rivers wrote:
Now that's a name out of the past. How the heck is ol' Lyle?

rickymix wrote:
He's apparently been spending his time with his wife and kids instead of
here. Can't blame him for that. But I'll see if I can't get him to drop by
here and say, "Hi!"
Cheers, Rick.

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Mike Rivers wrote:
You don't need a radio to listen to hip hop, you can hear it at
any stop light :-)
I can hear about as much of it as I want when certan cars drive by
my house.

That's what happened to the music: Loops and samples.
THese talentless wonks should leave that **** in their
bedrooms where it belongs, instead we get subjected to it at
every stoplight when we go into the city. Usually with a
thudding subwoof in the trunk and sounding like something
the dog left in the yard.

I'm sorry, but I don't call these people creative.
does it have to be no musically redeeming qualities or
autotuned to death?

WAs working with this drummer for a little while and he
started making noises about doing some dinner clubs. tHen
he said he was going to forego the drums and play bass
because a couple in the MEmphis area wouldn't hire anything
with a drummer. Gave one listen to his lack of bass chops
and his ROland pattern based beat box. Told him to drop the
ROland pattern based beat box on the floor and stomp on it.

THen this glorified rent-a-cop pulls out a motown karaoke
CD. I explained to him that the only good Karaoke DJ was a
dead karaoke dj and packed my gear. my final comment to
this wonk, "see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya."

YEs I know, I"m a jazz and blues person who also enjoys some
folk and bluegrass even. Before you tell me dIggable
planets or this one, remember that I've heard that stuff.
NOt into samples of jazz, interested in hearing humans play
jazz.
Your 1.5 second loop of a James Brown sample doesn't impress
me at all. I want to hear James Brown I"ll listen to James
Brown.



Richard webb,
Electric Spider Productions
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