Hi people,

I've been using logic 5.5 for some time now (a dodgy version) with lots
of plug ins and as I'm not familiar with pro tools cubase or anything
else for that matter, I was thinking of buying it so I can actually get
serious about recording. - obviously can't try and make money off a
dodgy program.

I understand you can no longer buy logic for pc anymore, and I only
just bought a new one, would anyone reccommend getting a pro version of
logic off ebay while I still can or just learn how to use something
else.

Oh another question, does anyone know if you can transfer saved files
in logic from my dodgy version to a new legitimate pending version?

I've been using logic 5.5 for some time now (a dodgy version)

The "dodgy version" or "crack" (I'm assuming) is pretty damned close to the
legitimate copy. Since you can't buy Logic for Windows anymore, there's no
crime in running the crack, which is exactly the same as my legitimate copy
of Logic 5.5.1, and works just as well...or not, when you try to run certain
new VSTi's and plugins.

You have the same choice I had to make when I left Logic after many, many
years of using and testing. Either get a Mac and stay with Logic or stick
with Windows (as I did) and switch to either Nuendo (which I use) or Cubase
SX3. Transferring your songs from Logic to Nuendo is not hard, and Nuendo is
a killer app with plenty of everything you need for any kind of music
production. Plus, Emagic dumped a hundred thousand Windows users with no
regrets, so you know they'll do the same to their non-Intel G5 computer
using users at some point in the future.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

You have the same choice I had to make when I left Logic after many, many
years of using and testing. Either get a Mac and stay with Logic or stick
with Windows (as I did) and switch to either Nuendo (which I use) or Cubase
SX3. Transferring your songs from Logic to Nuendo is not hard, and Nuendo is
a killer app with plenty of everything you need for any kind of music
production. Plus, Emagic dumped a hundred thousand Windows users with no
regrets, so you know they'll do the same to their non-Intel G5 computer
using users at some point in the future.

Your work speaks for itself Ted but I'm not sure where you're going
here.

Software is a highly subjective decision and there are certainly
compelling arguments for sticking with Logic and going with a Mac, as
I'm sure the vipers await an opportunity to thrash me mercilessly and
tout PC's simply for saying a Logic upgrade is worth considering.

I wasn't paying much attention about the time Emagic left the Windows
world, although we've certainly seen people such as Adobe not develop
for the Mac. I'm not sure if E-Magic had a hundred thousand users of
THEIR software at the time but regardless, Apple will be doing the
dumping if there is any to be done and I think it would be more
accurate to point out the common knowledge that Apple will discontinue
support for G5 (NOT Intel, Intel doesn't make the G5, IBM does) in 4-5
years. I certainly don't think that is an unreasonable time frame in
the world of computers. Regardless, anything he buys now is dual
binary and will work on either processor, plus the new Intels will dual
boot Windows or OS X.

Either way he's going to be making a transition and there is no danger
of hardware/software obsolecence with Apple any time soon - in fact,
I'd be willing to bet Longhorn/Vista/Whatever will be more likely to
funk up (and I don't mean that jazzily) your Nuendo than that there
will be anyone left hanging with Logic problems, including when Leopard
comes out. After all, the software, hardware and OS are integrated.
That is an advantage Apple has, just as Windows users had in the past a
much larger selection of hardware to choose from. Of course that has
consequences as well but that's for a Cheetos red-hot flame war another
day LOL.

I think some time spent evaluating current software and what's in the
pipeline is SOUND advice, ya know?

Cheers,

cb

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:06:07 GMT, "Ted Perlman"
wrote:

The "dodgy version" or "crack" (I'm assuming) is pretty damned close to the
legitimate copy. Since you can't buy Logic for Windows anymore, there's no
crime in running the crack, which is exactly the same as my legitimate copy
of Logic 5.5.1, and works just as well...or not, when you try to run certain
new VSTi's and plugins.

I know it's practically unenforceable. But do we REALLY get to make
up our own laws like this? :-)



You have the same choice I had to make when I left Logic after many, many
years of using and testing. Either get a Mac and stay with Logic or stick
with Windows (as I did) and switch to either Nuendo (which I use) or Cubase
SX3.

Noting that the difference between SX and Nuendo is merely some
surround-mixing and sound-to-picture tools. If you need these, fine.
If not, save much cash and go for SX.

Noting that the difference between SX and Nuendo is merely some
surround-mixing and sound-to-picture tools

Hardly. Otherwise I wouldn't have moved from SX to Nuendo.



--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

On 10 Apr 2006 12:32:32 -0700, "Brad" wrote:

Hi people,

I've been using logic 5.5 for some time now (a dodgy version) with lots
of plug ins and as I'm not familiar with pro tools cubase or anything
else for that matter, I was thinking of buying it so I can actually get
serious about recording. - obviously can't try and make money off a
dodgy program.

I understand you can no longer buy logic for pc anymore, and I only
just bought a new one, would anyone reccommend getting a pro version of
logic off ebay while I still can or just learn how to use something
else.

Oh another question, does anyone know if you can transfer saved files
in logic from my dodgy version to a new legitimate pending version?

I would recommend sticking with your PC and getting one of the
following programs:

1. Sonar (-- my preference, I've used all in this list)
2. Cubase
3. Reason (MIDI-focused sequencer, and definately not for live
recording)
4. Adobe Audition (my recommendation if you're going to be working
with audio only. great for recording/editing, and I think it's the
most affordable)

You should be able to open your old Logic files into any newer
version, regardless of operating system. Sonar (and maybe Cubase) can
do pretty much anything Pro Tools can.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:33 GMT, "Ted Perlman"
wrote:

Noting that the difference between SX and Nuendo is merely some
surround-mixing and sound-to-picture tools

Hardly. Otherwise I wouldn't have moved from SX to Nuendo.

What else then?

I recently had to make the same decision and I decided to get the new Mac
with version 7.1 of Logic, as Apple were offering a £300 cashback deal on it
at the time. Being familiar only with a PC up till now, I have found the
transition to a Mac, not to mention all the new bells and whistles on Logic
7, quite a culture shock!

Having played around with it for a few months now, here are my personal
thoughts on the migration...

I really miss not being able to use some of my old favourite plugins! - If
you use any DX plugins, you can't use them on the mac. It is a completely
different format. Also, even VST plugins have to have mac versions in order
to instal correctly. (or I just haven't discovered how to do this yet).
Installing anything at all was something I had to learn. The mac won't let
me instal stuff where I want it, like on the PC. It will only find stuff if
it is in the right directory. It took me some time to discover where to put
all my EXS samples before they would work.

Some people say that Logic was unreliable on the PC. I have found the
opposite to be the case. Logic 7 crashes much more frequently on the mac
than my dodgy version of Logic 5 on PC. It crashed twice yesterday when
doing normal stuff such as adjusting the pan in an automation track and
again whilst changing the length of a region. The saving grace of this is
that it does save a copy called ("crashed") which in most cases will let you
carry on where you left off. Though a couple of times it has saved a file of
zero bytes, which of course, was no use at all! You are given the option of
sending a report to Apple, so I hope they are working on making it more
reliable.

The advantage is that you get some extremely useful new software instruments
and plugins. As a drummer, I never thought I'd find much use for drum
sequencers, but the new "Ultrabeat" plugin is amazing! I've used it on every
song so far! It does have a bug though that Apple don't appear to have fixed
yet. The sound cuts out when using a midi track to trigger it and it
requires a reboot of Logic to get it back! I see no reference to this
probelm being fixed in the 7.2 update, so I'll probably wait for 7.3 before
upgrading. I find the "Sculpture" instrument great for bass sounds, and the
guitar pre-amp ("Guitar amp pro") can be used on an input with no audible
latency, so my guitarists can now hear a great sound whilst recording, and I
get the benefit of a recorded track free of FX that I can process in the
mix. There is also a convolution reverb which I thought would be really
useful, but so far I still miss my old DX reverb. I'll just have to learn
how to record the sound of it to use with this new plug!

The main Mac feature that I've found of benefit, is the mouse wheel that
scrolls both vertically and horizontally. This has speeded up the use of
Logic a lot. However, I do miss the "back/forward" functions of the side
buttons when surfing the net, so I only use the mac for music and do
everything else on my PC. The mac is an extremely well-designed box. Easy to
dismantle for adding extra memory (up to 16Gb) or general maintenance, such
as cleaning the fans. The 6 fans inside are extremely quiet. In fact the
only somewhat intrusive noise it makes is the solenoid switching in and out
when I have it in sleep mode. So it is perfect if you are using live mics in
the same room.

To answer your question. Logic is backward compatible, so it will convert
your version 5 files to the new version. However, once converted, you will
no longer be able to load them on the old version.

My decision is to complete all the projects I started in version 5 on the
PC. This is due to the fact that they are recorded in 16bit 44.1Khz. All my
new projects will be started on the Mac in 24bit 96Khz. For this reason, it
is easier to keep them seperate. I hope this helps you with your decision.
--
Lynn
Wobbly Music
"Supporting the Mature Artist"
=============================
http://www.wobblymusic.net
Latest Release... "Friends" by John McKeon
Order your copy now and get 2 FREE bonus tracks!
http://www.johnmckeon.wobblymusic.net

"Brad" wrote in message
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Hi people,

I've been using logic 5.5 for some time now (a dodgy version) with lots
of plug ins and as I'm not familiar with pro tools cubase or anything
else for that matter, I was thinking of buying it so I can actually get
serious about recording. - obviously can't try and make money off a
dodgy program.

I understand you can no longer buy logic for pc anymore, and I only
just bought a new one, would anyone reccommend getting a pro version of
logic off ebay while I still can or just learn how to use something
else.

Oh another question, does anyone know if you can transfer saved files
in logic from my dodgy version to a new legitimate pending version?

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:19:53 +0100, "Lynn"
wrote:

I recently had to make the same decision and I decided to get the new Mac
with version 7.1 of Logic, as Apple were offering a £300 cashback deal on it
at the time. Being familiar only with a PC up till now, I have found the
transition to a Mac, not to mention all the new bells and whistles on Logic
7, quite a culture shock!

I'm helping a client with a brand new Mac G5 setup. Sibelius and
Logic - nothing else installed yet. I was almost hoping it would be
a lean, mean machine, tempting me away from my PC, for music work
anyway. (I don't have huge PC problems, but I have some. And Macs
are not meant to have any problems - right?)

Sorry, but I'm unimpressed. Prettier, yes. More expensive, yes.
Same amount and sort of problems, yes. Mostly fixable or
work-aroundable, but they're there.

On 4/14/06 4:19 AM, in article , "Lynn"
wrote:
(snip)

The main Mac feature that I've found of benefit, is the mouse wheel that
scrolls both vertically and horizontally. This has speeded up the use of
Logic a lot. However, I do miss the "back/forward" functions of the side
buttons when surfing the net, so I only use the mac for music and do
everything else on my PC.

Hi Lynn. Long time no type! That "back/forward" function thing: It depends
on what mouse you have. I use Microsoft mice (both wireless and with a tail)
and I have that "back/forward" function for web surfing. It also works when
I play solitaire and want to go backwards! I have an old Mac G4/400 and a
PowerBook G4/1.5ghz.


The mac is an extremely well-designed box. Easy to
dismantle for adding extra memory (up to 16Gb) or general maintenance, such
as cleaning the fans. The 6 fans inside are extremely quiet. In fact the
only somewhat intrusive noise it makes is the solenoid switching in and out
when I have it in sleep mode. So it is perfect if you are using live mics in
the same room.

To answer your question. Logic is backward compatible, so it will convert
your version 5 files to the new version. However, once converted, you will
no longer be able to load them on the old version.

My decision is to complete all the projects I started in version 5 on the
PC. This is due to the fact that they are recorded in 16bit 44.1Khz. All my
new projects will be started on the Mac in 24bit 96Khz. For this reason, it
is easier to keep them seperate. I hope this helps you with your decision.

Hi Lynn. Long time no type! That "back/forward" function thing: It depends
on what mouse you have. I use Microsoft mice (both wireless and with a
tail)
and I have that "back/forward" function for web surfing. It also works
when
I play solitaire and want to go backwards! I have an old Mac G4/400 and a
PowerBook G4/1.5ghz.

Hi Sean! How are you?

I use the Mac mouse that came with the G5. But I have a MS mouse for my PC,
but the scroll wheel is only vertical. No worries, I only use the Mac for
recording anyway.

Drop me an email sometime, Bring me up to date with what you're up to these
days!
--
Lynn
Wobbly Music
"Supporting the Mature Artist"
=============================
http://www.wobblymusic.net
Latest Release... "Friends" by John McKeon
Order your copy now and get 2 FREE bonus tracks!
http://www.johnmckeon.wobblymusic.net

"Sean" wrote in message
...
On 4/14/06 4:19 AM, in article , "Lynn"
wrote:
(snip)

The main Mac feature that I've found of benefit, is the mouse wheel that
scrolls both vertically and horizontally. This has speeded up the use of
Logic a lot. However, I do miss the "back/forward" functions of the side
buttons when surfing the net, so I only use the mac for music and do
everything else on my PC.

Hi Lynn. Long time no type! That "back/forward" function thing: It depends
on what mouse you have. I use Microsoft mice (both wireless and with a
tail)
and I have that "back/forward" function for web surfing. It also works
when
I play solitaire and want to go backwards! I have an old Mac G4/400 and a
PowerBook G4/1.5ghz.


The mac is an extremely well-designed box. Easy to
dismantle for adding extra memory (up to 16Gb) or general maintenance,
such
as cleaning the fans. The 6 fans inside are extremely quiet. In fact the
only somewhat intrusive noise it makes is the solenoid switching in and
out
when I have it in sleep mode. So it is perfect if you are using live mics
in
the same room.

To answer your question. Logic is backward compatible, so it will convert
your version 5 files to the new version. However, once converted, you
will
no longer be able to load them on the old version.

My decision is to complete all the projects I started in version 5 on the
PC. This is due to the fact that they are recorded in 16bit 44.1Khz. All
my
new projects will be started on the Mac in 24bit 96Khz. For this reason,
it
is easier to keep them seperate. I hope this helps you with your
decision.