"Sandman" wrote in message
...
just *trounced* Kerry in South Carolina - 45% to 30%.


Let's hear it for the Ambulance chaser.

He's going nowhere.

And he's also trouncing Kerry in Oklahoma, and even edging Clark - 31%
Edwards, 30% Clark, 21% Kerry.

Of course, Dean isn't campaigning in today's primaries.

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.

Meanwhile, Joe Loserman is *finally* going to have to call it quits. He
just lost big in Delaware, where he boasted he'd win big.


You say this like you don't think anybody here watches the news and like it
matters whcih fool the Democrats trot out like a lamb to the slaughter.

just *trounced* Kerry in South Carolina - 45% to 30%.

And he's also trouncing Kerry in Oklahoma, and even edging Clark - 31%
Edwards, 30% Clark, 21% Kerry.

Of course, Dean isn't campaigning in today's primaries.

Meanwhile, Joe Loserman is *finally* going to have to call it quits. He
just lost big in Delaware, where he boasted he'd win big.

"Le Artiste" wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" excreted a clot of self-pity :

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.

You were previously admired?

LMAO!!!

Surprisingly, for someone who didn't actively campaign there this week, Dean
is coming in a very close second to Clark in New Mexico (and could win it
before the night's over).

I still can't believe my ears... Al Sharpton just said he did a lot better
than expected in Missouri tonight - to a raucus round of applause.

Uh.... Al.... you got 2% of the vote. Are you whoopin' an' a hollerin' cuz
you got more than 1% - "better than expected"????

"Sandman" wrote in message ...
just *trounced* Kerry in South Carolina - 45% to 30%.

[blah blah]

And this has WHAT to do with audio? You think you're friggin' CNN?

I'm going to bet that your reply to this post will also not be related to audio.

Tim

"Le Artiste" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.

You were previously admired?


Still am.

To bad you can't say the same.
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

"Le Artiste" wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" excreted a clot of self-pity :

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.

You were previously admired?

LMAO!!!


Laugh now, you'll be crying and spinning in November.

"Sandman" wrote in message
...
Surprisingly, for someone who didn't actively campaign there this week,
Dean
is coming in a very close second to Clark in New Mexico (and could win it
before the night's over).


You really should wait for more info before you make yourself look like a
bigger fool than you already are.

Dean's dead in the water.

"Le Artiste" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.

You were previously admired?

Still am.

By who? I want names.

You wouldn't know them and I certainly not going to give you a chance to
harrass them.

To bad you can't say the same.

Have you ever wondered what it's like to be dead? Pretty much the same
as what you're experiencing now, I expect.

When reading your stuff? Absolutely.
--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Laugh now, you'll be crying and spinning in November.



It's no wonder you like him. You have similar intelligence levels.

No way Bush is coming back in November. He should have all the time he needs
to put a ton of (blood) money in his and his buddies' pockets though. YOU'LL
be crying when the dems raise YOUR taxes to pay HIS bills.

Le Artiste said:

You were previously admired?

Still am.

By who? I want names.

By me, for instance.
I have infinite admiration for everyone who has severe pains and still
continues to try to lead a reasonable normal life.
And especially for those who try to build up a business in audio.

But maybe one should have experienced either or both to fully
appreciate that fact.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...
Le Artiste said:

You were previously admired?

Still am.

By who? I want names.

By me, for instance.
I have infinite admiration for everyone who has severe pains and still
continues to try to lead a reasonable normal life.
And especially for those who try to build up a business in audio.

But maybe one should have experienced either or both to fully
appreciate that fact.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Thanks, Sander.

"Le Artiste" wrote in message
news
"Sander deWaal" emitted :

You were previously admired?

Still am.

By who? I want names.

By me, for instance.
I have infinite admiration for everyone who has severe pains and still
continues to try to lead a reasonable normal life.

And especially for those who try to build up a business in audio.

But maybe one should have experienced either or both to fully
appreciate that fact.

Meralgia parenthetica is excruciatingly painful, but it's not
something I brag about.


--
Is this from an injury or from MS?

Who brags about pain?

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ...
"Sandman" wrote in message
...
just *trounced* Kerry in South Carolina - 45% to 30%.


Let's hear it for the Ambulance chaser.

He's going nowhere.


Being an "ambulance chaser" is better than being a deserter to his
unit. Also, since that's just childish, I submit you to Lionel Hutz
of "The Simpsons"

And he's also trouncing Kerry in Oklahoma, and even edging Clark - 31%
Edwards, 30% Clark, 21% Kerry.

Of course, Dean isn't campaigning in today's primaries.

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.


Insane with passion. Too bad Bush lacks it, and even with $150
million, he'll still lose. What a loser.

Meanwhile, Joe Loserman is *finally* going to have to call it quits. He
just lost big in Delaware, where he boasted he'd win big.


You say this like you don't think anybody here watches the news and like it
matters whcih fool the Democrats trot out like a lamb to the slaughter.

Bush went AWOL, and it WILL be exposed over and over again, until it
sticks in the mind of every country bumpkin who will understand how
unpatriotic our president is. Being nationalistic doesn't mean you're
a patriot. It just means you have one thing in common with folks like
Castro and Hitler.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ...
"Le Artiste" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.

You were previously admired?

Still am.

By who? I want names.

You wouldn't know them and I certainly not going to give you a chance to
harrass them.


Santa Claus lives in the North Pole, and I don't think anyone knows
his real address

To bad you can't say the same.

Have you ever wondered what it's like to be dead? Pretty much the same
as what you're experiencing now, I expect.

When reading your stuff? Absolutely.
--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Le Artiste said:

But maybe one should have experienced either or both to fully
appreciate that fact.

Meralgia parenthetica is excruciatingly painful, but it's not
something I brag about.

Excuse my ignorance, but what's that?
BTW, I never said I don't admire *you*, Paul....:-)

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Klipsch cups his hands around his mouth, faces Bose and calls out :
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"John E. Jaku-Hing" wrote in message
om...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
...
"Sandman" wrote in message
...
just *trounced* Kerry in South Carolina - 45% to 30%.


Let's hear it for the Ambulance chaser.

He's going nowhere.


Being an "ambulance chaser" is better than being a deserter to his
unit.

Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable discharge.

Also, since that's just childish, I submit you to Lionel Hutz
of "The Simpsons"

And he's also trouncing Kerry in Oklahoma, and even edging Clark - 31%
Edwards, 30% Clark, 21% Kerry.

Of course, Dean isn't campaigning in today's primaries.

Funny how people stop admiring you when they find out you're insane.


Insane with passion.

No, just nuts.

Too bad Bush lacks it, and even with $150
million, he'll still lose. What a loser.

Don't count on it.

Meanwhile, Joe Loserman is *finally* going to have to call it quits.
He
just lost big in Delaware, where he boasted he'd win big.


You say this like you don't think anybody here watches the news and like
it
matters whcih fool the Democrats trot out like a lamb to the slaughter.

Bush went AWOL,

Which is it AWOL or deserter, the fact is he completed his service and was a
Top Gun pilot.

and it WILL be exposed over and over again, until it
sticks in the mind of every country bumpkin who will understand how
unpatriotic our president is.

Odd how the polling data shows most Americans feel Bush is more patriotic
than Kerry.

Being nationalistic doesn't mean you're
a patriot. It just means you have one thing in common with folks like
Castro and Hitler.

Right, that's a fair comparison. I guess it's fair to compare Kerry to
Stalin then, they have the same basic political philosophy, keep the public
dependent.

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:58:45 -0800, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

Being an "ambulance chaser" is better than being a deserter to his
unit.

Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable discharge.

Depends on who's pulling the strings...

Le Artiste said:

L/R 2-3 nerve damage, affects the upper leg. Basically pain and a loss
of sensation. The ironic thing is I have restless leg syndrome too, so
sometimes when I'm trying to keep still, the ole leg starts spazzing
out and.. well.. vicious circle

Ouch........I wish you well.

I *do* admire you. Do you admire me?

Now that I know of your pain and audio endeavours, I admire you too.

*grin*

No pressure. In your own time... ;-)

Just woke up from my afternoon nap.
Hmmmmm.......I wanna cup o'tea!

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"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:58:45 -0800, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

Being an "ambulance chaser" is better than being a deserter to his
unit.

Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable discharge.

Depends on who's pulling the strings...

Proof? No.

Smear? Yes.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:58:44 -0800, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:58:45 -0800, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

Being an "ambulance chaser" is better than being a deserter to his
unit.

Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable discharge.

Depends on who's pulling the strings...

Proof? No.

Smear? Yes.

Oh yeah, like you haven't been smearing with your tales of CNN memos
and the like.

I guess you hate lawyers too. shrug

Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable discharge.

An honorable discharge (wink, wink). This is why people like Clark
and Kerry do not defend the resident on these charges.


No, just nuts.


I've noticed that people who think this way tend to lead very boring
lives. Lives in which their favorite pastime is to gather at happy
hour with their other wide bellied friends and discuss their 401(k)s.
Yawn.


Don't count on it.


Why not?


Which is it AWOL or deserter, the fact is he completed his service and was a
Top Gun pilot.


First it was AWOL, then finally classified as an unpatriotic deserter.


Odd how the polling data shows most Americans feel Bush is more patriotic
than Kerry.


This is simply because most Americans are uneducated and ignorant to
examining real records. They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot. Castro too. No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world. Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.


Right, that's a fair comparison. I guess it's fair to compare Kerry to
Stalin then, they have the same basic political philosophy, keep the public
dependent.

Wow!!! You actually believe communism was ever really implemented on
this Earth, ever (especially that joke of an implementation called the
USSR)? Go back to school and take some political science courses
instead of watching Hannity & Colmes. It's a good thing I cut off my
cable to save a few bucks, or else I might continue to sputter this
"boob tube/brain drain" ribble.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.
You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

"John E. Jaku-Hing" wrote in message
om...
Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable discharge.

An honorable discharge (wink, wink). This is why people like Clark
and Kerry do not defend the resident on these charges.

It couldn't be because they are liars.


No, just nuts.


I've noticed that people who think this way tend to lead very boring
lives. Lives in which their favorite pastime is to gather at happy
hour with their other wide bellied friends and discuss their 401(k)s.
Yawn.


Sorry, but that's not me.

Don't count on it.


Why not?


Because the Democrats can't win the south.
Becuase honorable Democrats like Zell Miller and Ed Koch are voting for
Bush.
Because Kerry, the likely nominee has a record that won't get him elected.
Because if Bin Laden is captured or killed before the election, Bush wins in
a landslide.
Beccause the economyis improving because of the tiny little Bush tax cut.


Which is it AWOL or deserter, the fact is he completed his service and
was a
Top Gun pilot.


First it was AWOL, then finally classified as an unpatriotic deserter.

By whom? Not by the military.

Odd how the polling data shows most Americans feel Bush is more
patriotic
than Kerry.


This is simply because most Americans are uneducated and ignorant to
examining real records.

Disdain for the general public noted. The will be the ones voting, you know.

They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot.

He loved power.

Castro too.
That's why his people have no free speech and the newest car is from 1957.

No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world.

The people laughing, aren't they the same people you just said aren't too
smart?


Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.

According to what standard?


Right, that's a fair comparison. I guess it's fair to compare Kerry to
Stalin then, they have the same basic political philosophy, keep the
public
dependent.

Wow!!! You actually believe communism was ever really implemented on
this Earth, ever (especially that joke of an implementation called the
USSR)? Go back to school and take some political science courses
instead of watching Hannity & Colmes. It's a good thing I cut off my
cable to save a few bucks, or else I might continue to sputter this
"boob tube/brain drain" ribble.

No. I believe thay any form of socialism is wrong.
I believe that self-interest is a good moral value and that creating more
dependence on government is not in anyone's self interest.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.

No up there, at least in Quebec, it's languageism.



You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

Is it better to work for a living or be on the dole?

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:58:44 -0800, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:58:45 -0800, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

Being an "ambulance chaser" is better than being a deserter to his
unit.

Never happened. You can't be a deserter and get an honorable
discharge.

Depends on who's pulling the strings...

Proof? No.

Smear? Yes.

Oh yeah, like you haven't been smearing with your tales of CNN memos
and the like.

Not that I'm aware. I repeated what was reported in the news as I recalled
it. Unlike you I never intenioanlly try to twist the truth.

I guess you hate lawyers too. shrug

Many of them are scum. Many of them are heroic.
The guy defending Scott Peterson is scum. The one representing the kid from
the family slaughtered by Cooper is one of the good guys AFAIK.

BTW, my brother-in-law is a lawyer and a lefty and a lobbyist. I don't hate
him but saying we have little in coomon when it comes to politics is an
understatement.

They are a neccessary part of a free country, but the fact that OJ got off
is still wrong.

Le Artiste said:

Well.. I'm glad we sorted that one out. Did you get my email btw?

Hmmm.......I'll have a look at my deleted folder, probably got lost
with the +50 spam mails I delete every day.
I'll get back on that.

The Devil used to have a habit of calling me during afternoon naps,
those days of leisurely snoozes and half-wake conversations are a long
distant memory..

He hasn't got my number (pun intended), but once when I called 666, I
got Ozzy on the phone. He was obviously drunk and stoned and promised
me to send over 4 QUAD ESLs. Never heard from him again...............

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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
I've noticed that people who think this way tend to lead very boring
lives. Lives in which their favorite pastime is to gather at happy
hour with their other wide bellied friends and discuss their 401(k)s.
Yawn.


Sorry, but that's not me.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's just the typical Dean basher. It's pathetic
company to keep with though, even more pathetic than the hardcore
liberals.


Because the Democrats can't win the south.
Becuase honorable Democrats like Zell Miller and Ed Koch are voting for
Bush.
Because Kerry, the likely nominee has a record that won't get him elected.
Because if Bin Laden is captured or killed before the election, Bush wins in
a landslide.
Beccause the economyis improving because of the tiny little Bush tax cut.


Don't need the south. Bunch of bumpkins and religious zealots. I'm
sometimes ashamed to be Christian. Well, not a Christian per se. But
to actually think that those sociological nuts believe in the same God
that I do.


Disdain for the general public noted. The will be the ones voting, you know.


It's a shame, because the truly notable ones like Kucinich, Dean, and
Edwards will be placed in the shadows of lesser men like Kerry and
Bush.

They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot.

He loved power.

He loved Germany. He wanted to take care of his Aryan nation. "He
loved power" is about as glib and pithy as you can get.


Castro too.
That's why his people have no free speech and the newest car is from 1957.

No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world.

The people laughing, aren't they the same people you just said aren't too
smart?


WTF? The people laughing are the Europeans and the Canadians. If you
haven't noticed it, they're the ones who are smarter than us. They
are the ones getting 5-7 weeks vacation/year instead of our measly 2
weeks worth. They are the ones watching our violent tendencies (most
murders and jailbirds per capita than ANY OTHER industrialized
country) and polarization within our citizens. Conservatives think
liberals are crazy. Liberals think conservatives are crazy. They are
the ones watching the middle class falter. They are the ones watching
our country run up a debt we will NEVER be able to repay, and default
as an economy when all the baby boomers retire. The dollar? In a few
years, it'll be worth 1/3 of a Euro shortly. Inflation follows, a
housing market valuation nightmare, insolvency in personal financial
matters. Read The Economist (right-winged, BTW) and you'll get a
glimpse of our future.


Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.

According to what standard?


General standard, unless you speak to the rich (the minority) of
course.


No. I believe thay any form of socialism is wrong.
I believe that self-interest is a good moral value and that creating more
dependence on government is not in anyone's self interest.


Idealogical beliefs again. Moral relativism. It is the stigmas of
what most conservatives follow. Of course, it's idealogy and moral
relativism while it's convenient. I guess the idealogy of civil
liberties can't be followed because we're in a war and we have to be
pragmatic, don't we? But, when a particular facet of an economy (i.e.
health care) should obviously be government subsidized in some matter,
political hacks like Robert Novak claim it's Marxism creeping into our
society. Socialism is a dirty word reactionaries like to throw around
for shock value. No one else in the world reacts in the same
knee-jerk, Salem witch-burning fashion like the good ol' USA when it
comes to the welfare functions of an economy.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.

No up there, at least in Quebec, it's languageism.


Quebec wanted to be no part of Canada for some time.



You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

Is it better to work for a living or be on the dole?

There you go again. Idealogy. Doesn't matter what you or anyone else
think is better or fair. Life isn't fair as it stands (e.g. the
privileged white men who have a clean sweep of the WH 43 times in a
row). What matters is what is pragmatic. Pure capitalism hasn't
worked for the USA recently (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, the irony of a
Bermuda address to avoid taxation for Accenture while simulataneously
working on an IRS project, etc). Liberal capitalism implies a
sustained welfare state. Even a right-winged news magazine like The
Economist realizes that. Only reactionary fools who drool over faces
like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al. don't.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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They are a neccessary part of a free country, but the fact that OJ got off
is still wrong.


From what I know, I have little doubt
OJ is guilty. From only what was presented in court, I would have
acquitted him. The prosecution just blew it.
Blame them, not the Cochran team nor the jury.




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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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They are a neccessary part of a free country, but the fact that OJ got
off
is still wrong.


From what I know, I have little doubt
OJ is guilty. From only what was presented in court, I would have
acquitted him. The prosecution just blew it.
Blame them, not the Cochran team nor the jury.

I have severe problems with the jury. The DNA evidence alone should have
convicted him. I recall seeing one of the jurors after the trial saying
that the the chance of OJ's blood belonging to somebody else was 1 in
whatever billions and then saying there aren't that many people on earth.
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"John E. Jaku-Hing" wrote in message
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
I've noticed that people who think this way tend to lead very boring
lives. Lives in which their favorite pastime is to gather at happy
hour with their other wide bellied friends and discuss their 401(k)s.
Yawn.


Sorry, but that's not me.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's just the typical Dean basher. It's pathetic
company to keep with though, even more pathetic than the hardcore
liberals.


Because the Democrats can't win the south.
Becuase honorable Democrats like Zell Miller and Ed Koch are voting for
Bush.
Because Kerry, the likely nominee has a record that won't get him
elected.
Because if Bin Laden is captured or killed before the election, Bush
wins in
a landslide.
Beccause the economyis improving because of the tiny little Bush tax
cut.


Don't need the south. Bunch of bumpkins and religious zealots. I'm
sometimes ashamed to be Christian. Well, not a Christian per se. But
to actually think that those sociological nuts believe in the same God
that I do.


In this country you do need the south to win, because of the electoral
college.

Disdain for the general public noted. The will be the ones voting, you
know.


It's a shame, because the truly notable ones like Kucinich,

Kucinich???? You've got to be kidding.

Dean, and
Edwards will be placed in the shadows of lesser men like Kerry and
Bush.

It's very hard for me to decide which of them is lesser than the other.
Which one lies the least?

They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot.

He loved power.

He loved Germany. He wanted to take care of his Aryan nation. "He
loved power" is about as glib and pithy as you can get.


Castro too.
That's why his people have no free speech and the newest car is from
1957.

No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world.

The people laughing, aren't they the same people you just said aren't
too
smart?


WTF? The people laughing are the Europeans and the Canadians.

Who cares? When they get the right to vote here, I'll start worrying.
There are no countries in Europe I'd rather live in.

If you
haven't noticed it, they're the ones who are smarter than us.

That's why they're all so rich, right?

They
are the ones getting 5-7 weeks vacation/year instead of our measly 2
weeks worth.

At what cost?

They are the ones watching our violent tendencies (most
murders and jailbirds per capita than ANY OTHER industrialized
country) and polarization within our citizens.

Comes with a free and open society.

Conservatives think
liberals are crazy.

I don't know about that, I just think they are wrong and haven't learned the
lessons of history.

Liberals think conservatives are crazy.

It seems to me Liberals think Conservatives are EVIL.

They are
the ones watching the middle class falter. They are the ones watching
our country run up a debt we will NEVER be able to repay, and default
as an economy when all the baby boomers retire.

Nonsense, we recovered from the last deficit because of the Amrecian people
not because of the government, but in spite of it.

The dollar? In a few
years, it'll be worth 1/3 of a Euro shortly.

OSAF.

Inflation follows, a
housing market valuation nightmare, insolvency in personal financial
matters.

Where's the inflation?

Read The Economist (right-winged, BTW) and you'll get a
glimpse of our future.


Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.

According to what standard?


General standard, unless you speak to the rich (the minority) of
course.

It's the rich minority that make the middle class majority possible and they
are the ones the left is constantly trying to fleece. According to the IRS
you are rich if you make more than 60K a year. Does that seem accurate to
you?

No. I believe thay any form of socialism is wrong.
I believe that self-interest is a good moral value and that creating
more
dependence on government is not in anyone's self interest.


Idealogical beliefs again. Moral relativism. It is the stigmas of
what most conservatives follow. Of course, it's idealogy and moral
relativism while it's convenient.

I don't think it's moral relativism, that's the province of the left. A
solid work ethic and a desire to get ahead are not relative values they are
simply values. Life is a value and the government should not be in the way
of living it.

I guess the idealogy of civil
liberties can't be followed because we're in a war and we have to be
pragmatic, don't we?

Sometimes yes. The pendulum always swings back when the war is over. You
do recall who set up the internment camps.

But, when a particular facet of an economy (i.e.
health care) should obviously be government subsidized in some matter,

Obvious to who? Where is there a right to the fruits of somebody else's
labor?

political hacks like Robert Novak claim it's Marxism creeping into our
society. Socialism is a dirty word reactionaries like to throw around
for shock value.

No, it's just a dirty word. It causes more problems than it ever solves.

No one else in the world reacts in the same
knee-jerk, Salem witch-burning fashion like the good ol' USA when it
comes to the welfare functions of an economy.

Good, it's one of the reasons we have the strongest country in the world.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.

No up there, at least in Quebec, it's languageism.


Quebec wanted to be no part of Canada for some time.

Let em go.

You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

Is it better to work for a living or be on the dole?

There you go again. Idealogy.

Reality.

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else
think is better or fair.

Then why have laws?

Life isn't fair as it stands (e.g. the
privileged white men who have a clean sweep of the WH 43 times in a
row). What matters is what is pragmatic. Pure capitalism hasn't
worked for the USA

It's never been tried.

recently (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, the irony of a
Bermuda address to avoid taxation for Accenture while simulataneously
working on an IRS project, etc). Liberal capitalism implies a
sustained welfare state. Even a right-winged news magazine like The
Economist realizes that.

An opinion they get to have and one I disagree with.

Only reactionary fools who drool over faces
like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al. don't.

I knew the name calling would come sooner or later.

You lose.

In this country you do need the south to win, because of the electoral
college.

We've proved through Al Gore that you just needed one measily
non-southern state like Arizona, Nevada, Utah, West Virginia (a toss
up this year, BTW), Ohio, gosh the list is endless....southern states
make up, without examining the map, no more than 100-150 electoral
votes. Also, the South gets more progressive with each passing year
as more Northerners move there, as they assimilate into the population
without assimilating their backwards philosophies...it is an
inevitability.


Disdain for the general public noted. The will be the ones voting, you
know.


It's a shame, because the truly notable ones like Kucinich,

Kucinich???? You've got to be kidding.


Better than the insecure, rich, privileged, secret society folks
running neck and neck for the WH at this point (Kerry/Bush). He grew
up from a poor family, and we haven't had a humbled president like
this person since Truman.

Dean, and
Edwards will be placed in the shadows of lesser men like Kerry and
Bush.

It's very hard for me to decide which of them is lesser than the other.
Which one lies the least?


I heard Webster is making GW Bush and lies synonymous with each other.
For being born again, he's an awful one.

They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot.

He loved power.

He loved Germany. He wanted to take care of his Aryan nation. "He
loved power" is about as glib and pithy as you can get.


Castro too.
That's why his people have no free speech and the newest car is from
1957.

No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world.

The people laughing, aren't they the same people you just said aren't
too
smart?


WTF? The people laughing are the Europeans and the Canadians.

Who cares? When they get the right to vote here, I'll start worrying.
There are no countries in Europe I'd rather live in.


Spoken like a true isolationist. Good for you. If Canada turned off
the natural gas spicket, we'd all freeze to death. Canada needs
NOTHING that desperately from us.

If you
haven't noticed it, they're the ones who are smarter than us.

That's why they're all so rich, right?


Rich and intelligence are NOT synonyms with each other. Any idiot can
become a millionare. People like Don Lapre, Martha Stewart, and
George W Bush can attest to this.

They
are the ones getting 5-7 weeks vacation/year instead of our measly 2
weeks worth.

At what cost?


Better overall standard of living (as per The Economist) which gets
better every year with the skyrocketing cost of energy and health care
in this country.

They are the ones watching our violent tendencies (most
murders and jailbirds per capita than ANY OTHER industrialized
country) and polarization within our citizens.

Comes with a free and open society.


There is not one industrialized country on this planet that isn't free
and open. You must be living in the 80's and thinking of the USSR,
Bulgarian, Romania, etc.

Conservatives think
liberals are crazy.

I don't know about that, I just think they are wrong and haven't learned the
lessons of history.

Liberals think conservatives are crazy.

It seems to me Liberals think Conservatives are EVIL.


I don't think Conservatives are EVIL. Only the left wing nuts think
that. I think they're pompous, stupid, and ignorant to the world
around them. Got a secret for you...people like Falwell and Robertson
think liberals are evil.

They are
the ones watching the middle class falter. They are the ones watching
our country run up a debt we will NEVER be able to repay, and default
as an economy when all the baby boomers retire.

Nonsense, we recovered from the last deficit because of the Amrecian people
not because of the government, but in spite of it.

The Economist speaks to this effect, but notes that this time is
different. Asians are continuing to prop up this economy by
purchasing treasury notes while ignoring the risk scenerio, sustaining
our addiction to consuming cheap, inferior electronics from their
countries. The Asian market will eventually stop purchasing them, and
the bond yields will go through the roof. No one will invest in
America, because it will be too risky. We can be proud of our country
all we want, but the fact is that no one will care.


The dollar? In a few
years, it'll be worth 1/3 of a Euro shortly.

OSAF.

Inflation follows, a
housing market valuation nightmare, insolvency in personal financial
matters.

Where's the inflation?

Reference Asian market hedge above. Oh, and have you noticed the
following increases in price?

Health ca UP 10-15%
Energy: UP 5-10%
Car prices: UP double digits
Tuition: UP 5-10%

All well above inflation. Your average plasma TV may be going down in
price, but it does little good for people who live on necessities.
Inflation has happening already, knucklehead.

Unless you live in a bubble, you're getting ripped off too. I'm so
surprised you're not outraged by it.


Read The Economist (right-winged, BTW) and you'll get a
glimpse of our future.


Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.

According to what standard?


General standard, unless you speak to the rich (the minority) of
course.

It's the rich minority that make the middle class majority possible and they
are the ones the left is constantly trying to fleece. According to the IRS
you are rich if you make more than 60K a year. Does that seem accurate to
you?

The Democrats want to raise taxes for couple making $200K/year+. That
sounds rich to me. The definition of rich means nothing unless the
tax code/table is significantly different for people making $60K+


No. I believe thay any form of socialism is wrong.
I believe that self-interest is a good moral value and that creating
more
dependence on government is not in anyone's self interest.


Idealogical beliefs again. Moral relativism. It is the stigmas of
what most conservatives follow. Of course, it's idealogy and moral
relativism while it's convenient.

I don't think it's moral relativism, that's the province of the left. A
solid work ethic and a desire to get ahead are not relative values they are
simply values. Life is a value and the government should not be in the way
of living it.

Solid work ethic? CEOs lose money for their companies and get
bonuses. Martha Stewart broke the law, and right wingers support her
because she worked hard to get what she got. In the same breath,
they're shocked at seeing a tit on television and talk about the moral
decline of this country. Ashcroft pays $6,000 to cover up a statue's
breast. I see stupid people pretending to have a solid work ethic.
Reminded me of George from Seinfeld when he got promoted within the
organization by leaving his car overnight, making people think he's
been burning the midnight oil. I guess part of it is funny in a
tragic way, actually.


I guess the idealogy of civil
liberties can't be followed because we're in a war and we have to be
pragmatic, don't we?

Sometimes yes. The pendulum always swings back when the war is over. You
do recall who set up the internment camps.

Remember who was the pacifist and didn't want to invade Europe in
WWII, the anti-semite Republicans.


But, when a particular facet of an economy (i.e.
health care) should obviously be government subsidized in some matter,

Obvious to who? Where is there a right to the fruits of somebody else's
labor?

Ideology. I guess millions will die because of it. At least we won't
give up our principles. Stalin used to say that too.


political hacks like Robert Novak claim it's Marxism creeping into our
society. Socialism is a dirty word reactionaries like to throw around
for shock value.

No, it's just a dirty word. It causes more problems than it ever solves.

Sure it is.

Don't get me wrong. Capitalism is the best thing ever. But PURE
capitalism is as wrong as Marxism. Human beings are not compassionate
enough to survive in this manner. Human beings as a whole are not
intelligent enough yet to look out for each other, so pure capitalism
will never succeed, and as a result, will never be implemented.


No one else in the world reacts in the same
knee-jerk, Salem witch-burning fashion like the good ol' USA when it
comes to the welfare functions of an economy.

Good, it's one of the reasons we have the strongest country in the world.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.

No up there, at least in Quebec, it's languageism.


Quebec wanted to be no part of Canada for some time.

Let em go.

Then Canada won't have any more vices.


You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

Is it better to work for a living or be on the dole?

There you go again. Idealogy.

Reality.

Idealogy.


Doesn't matter what you or anyone else
think is better or fair.

Then why have laws?

Laws


Life isn't fair as it stands (e.g. the
privileged white men who have a clean sweep of the WH 43 times in a
row). What matters is what is pragmatic. Pure capitalism hasn't
worked for the USA

It's never been tried.

Human beings are too selfish to survive in pure capitalism or
communism, as noted above.


recently (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, the irony of a
Bermuda address to avoid taxation for Accenture while simulataneously
working on an IRS project, etc). Liberal capitalism implies a
sustained welfare state. Even a right-winged news magazine like The
Economist realizes that.

An opinion they get to have and one I disagree with.

Good for you.


Only reactionary fools who drool over faces
like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al. don't.

I knew the name calling would come sooner or later.

You lose.

I win!

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ...
"John E. Jaku-Hing" wrote in message
om...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
I've noticed that people who think this way tend to lead very boring
lives. Lives in which their favorite pastime is to gather at happy
hour with their other wide bellied friends and discuss their 401(k)s.
Yawn.


Sorry, but that's not me.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's just the typical Dean basher. It's pathetic
company to keep with though, even more pathetic than the hardcore
liberals.


Because the Democrats can't win the south.
Becuase honorable Democrats like Zell Miller and Ed Koch are voting for
Bush.
Because Kerry, the likely nominee has a record that won't get him
elected.
Because if Bin Laden is captured or killed before the election, Bush
wins in
a landslide.
Beccause the economyis improving because of the tiny little Bush tax
cut.


Don't need the south. Bunch of bumpkins and religious zealots. I'm
sometimes ashamed to be Christian. Well, not a Christian per se. But
to actually think that those sociological nuts believe in the same God
that I do.


In this country you do need the south to win, because of the electoral
college.

Disdain for the general public noted. The will be the ones voting, you
know.


It's a shame, because the truly notable ones like Kucinich,

Kucinich???? You've got to be kidding.

Dean, and
Edwards will be placed in the shadows of lesser men like Kerry and
Bush.

It's very hard for me to decide which of them is lesser than the other.
Which one lies the least?

They also believe that
nationalism=patriotism. Hitler LOVED his country, but no one ever
calls him a patriot.

He loved power.

He loved Germany. He wanted to take care of his Aryan nation. "He
loved power" is about as glib and pithy as you can get.


Castro too.
That's why his people have no free speech and the newest car is from
1957.

No wonder we as a country are the
laughing stock of the world.

The people laughing, aren't they the same people you just said aren't
too
smart?


WTF? The people laughing are the Europeans and the Canadians.

Who cares? When they get the right to vote here, I'll start worrying.
There are no countries in Europe I'd rather live in.

If you
haven't noticed it, they're the ones who are smarter than us.

That's why they're all so rich, right?

They
are the ones getting 5-7 weeks vacation/year instead of our measly 2
weeks worth.

At what cost?

They are the ones watching our violent tendencies (most
murders and jailbirds per capita than ANY OTHER industrialized
country) and polarization within our citizens.

Comes with a free and open society.

Conservatives think
liberals are crazy.

I don't know about that, I just think they are wrong and haven't learned the
lessons of history.

Liberals think conservatives are crazy.

It seems to me Liberals think Conservatives are EVIL.

They are
the ones watching the middle class falter. They are the ones watching
our country run up a debt we will NEVER be able to repay, and default
as an economy when all the baby boomers retire.

Nonsense, we recovered from the last deficit because of the Amrecian people
not because of the government, but in spite of it.

The dollar? In a few
years, it'll be worth 1/3 of a Euro shortly.

OSAF.

Inflation follows, a
housing market valuation nightmare, insolvency in personal financial
matters.

Where's the inflation?

Read The Economist (right-winged, BTW) and you'll get a
glimpse of our future.


Yes, the economically well-off are
ridiculed too. Stupid people as a group always are, regardless of
wealth.

According to what standard?


General standard, unless you speak to the rich (the minority) of
course.

It's the rich minority that make the middle class majority possible and they
are the ones the left is constantly trying to fleece. According to the IRS
you are rich if you make more than 60K a year. Does that seem accurate to
you?

No. I believe thay any form of socialism is wrong.
I believe that self-interest is a good moral value and that creating
more
dependence on government is not in anyone's self interest.


Idealogical beliefs again. Moral relativism. It is the stigmas of
what most conservatives follow. Of course, it's idealogy and moral
relativism while it's convenient.

I don't think it's moral relativism, that's the province of the left. A
solid work ethic and a desire to get ahead are not relative values they are
simply values. Life is a value and the government should not be in the way
of living it.

I guess the idealogy of civil
liberties can't be followed because we're in a war and we have to be
pragmatic, don't we?

Sometimes yes. The pendulum always swings back when the war is over. You
do recall who set up the internment camps.

But, when a particular facet of an economy (i.e.
health care) should obviously be government subsidized in some matter,

Obvious to who? Where is there a right to the fruits of somebody else's
labor?

political hacks like Robert Novak claim it's Marxism creeping into our
society. Socialism is a dirty word reactionaries like to throw around
for shock value.

No, it's just a dirty word. It causes more problems than it ever solves.

No one else in the world reacts in the same
knee-jerk, Salem witch-burning fashion like the good ol' USA when it
comes to the welfare functions of an economy.

Good, it's one of the reasons we have the strongest country in the world.

Canada doesn't have too many homeless on the streets, despite their
high level of social welfare. Racism is also less rampant there, too.

No up there, at least in Quebec, it's languageism.


Quebec wanted to be no part of Canada for some time.

Let em go.

You were saying there was something bad about public dependency?

Is it better to work for a living or be on the dole?

There you go again. Idealogy.

Reality.

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else
think is better or fair.

Then why have laws?

Life isn't fair as it stands (e.g. the
privileged white men who have a clean sweep of the WH 43 times in a
row). What matters is what is pragmatic. Pure capitalism hasn't
worked for the USA

It's never been tried.

recently (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, the irony of a
Bermuda address to avoid taxation for Accenture while simulataneously
working on an IRS project, etc). Liberal capitalism implies a
sustained welfare state. Even a right-winged news magazine like The
Economist realizes that.

An opinion they get to have and one I disagree with.

Only reactionary fools who drool over faces
like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al. don't.

I knew the name calling would come sooner or later.

You lose.

Looks like we're pretty darn dependent on Asia to keep us afloat. No
amount of patriotism and work ethic will prepare us for the inevitable
crash.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/10/comm...hays/index.htm

"John E. Jaku-Hing" wrote in message
m...
In this country you do need the south to win, because of the electoral
college.

We've proved through Al Gore that you just needed one measily
non-southern state like Arizona, Nevada, Utah, West Virginia (a toss
up this year, BTW), Ohio, gosh the list is endless....southern states
make up, without examining the map, no more than 100-150 electoral
votes. Also, the South gets more progressive with each passing year
as more Northerners move there, as they assimilate into the population
without assimilating their backwards philosophies...it is an
inevitability.


160 electoral votes, about 30% of the total. A lot of the northerners
moving there are retired, and likely to be a little more conservative
than the typical northern liberal. Also, the typical northern liberal
has so much disdain for the south, he would never choose to live there.




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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ...
"John E. Jaku-Hing" wrote in message
m...
In this country you do need the south to win, because of the electoral
college.

We've proved through Al Gore that you just needed one measily
non-southern state like Arizona, Nevada, Utah, West Virginia (a toss
up this year, BTW), Ohio, gosh the list is endless....southern states
make up, without examining the map, no more than 100-150 electoral
votes. Also, the South gets more progressive with each passing year
as more Northerners move there, as they assimilate into the population
without assimilating their backwards philosophies...it is an
inevitability.


160 electoral votes, about 30% of the total. A lot of the northerners
moving there are retired, and likely to be a little more conservative
than the typical northern liberal. Also, the typical northern liberal
has so much disdain for the south, he would never choose to live there.


Point taken about retirees, but do not forget that Northerners who
move there have probably lived in the North for their entire life.
Personalities at that stage in their life are impossible to change, no
matter how impressionable GWB is. I submit to you Exhibit A and B,
Florida and North Carolina. Both are placed where Northerners flock
to retire, and subsequently both places are becoming increasingly
Democratic (purple you might say). If anything, Southerners probably
have MORE disdain for Northerners due to their influx within their
borders. It almost seems like they think Northerners "infest" their
territory with their corrupting ideas and their attitudes. Too bad
for them.