Here's yet another incredible audio tweak I've figured out for you;
ever wondered how to make that annoying CD go quiet when you put it in
your player?

Wonder no more, it's easy and it won't cost me a penny! You'll need
some Post-it stickers but they shouldn't cost me anything as you can
steal them from work for me.

Turn the CD in question play-side up and apply the Post-it stickers
liberally over the surface. Take care not to put too many stickers on
the CD - that might stop you putting it in your player.

Insert the CD and - hey presto! You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!

Please give it a try and let me know how you get on with it.


http://www.littleboxes.nl/the14thdisciple

wrote:

You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!




But I thought that sound had priority?

wrote:
Insert the CD and - hey presto! You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!

This is 3 days early.

TB

Shovels(2) said:

Here's yet another incredible audio tweak I've figured out for you;
ever wondered how to make that annoying CD go quiet when you put it in
your player?

Wonder no more, it's easy and it won't cost me a penny! You'll need
some Post-it stickers but they shouldn't cost me anything as you can
steal them from work for me.

Turn the CD in question play-side up and apply the Post-it stickers
liberally over the surface. Take care not to put too many stickers on
the CD - that might stop you putting it in your player.

Insert the CD and - hey presto! You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!

What color of Post-its should we use? Why not masking tape?

This half-baked rigmarole is simply intended to induce Genuine Audiophiles
to waste their time on blind alleys and useless experimentation.




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

George M. Middius, (the "M" stands for "Myopic"), believing everything
he reads, wrote:

Shovels said:

Here's yet another incredible audio tweak I've figured out for you;
ever wondered how to make that annoying CD go quiet when you put it in
your player?

Wonder no more, it's easy and it won't cost me a penny! You'll need
some Post-it stickers but they shouldn't cost me anything as you can
steal them from work for me.

Turn the CD in question play-side up and apply the Post-it stickers
liberally over the surface. Take care not to put too many stickers on
the CD - that might stop you putting it in your player.

Insert the CD and - hey presto! You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!

What color of Post-its should we use? Why not masking tape?

This half-baked rigmarole is simply intended to induce Genuine Audiophiles
to waste their time on blind alleys and useless experimentation.

.....For once I agree with you, my little ankle-biting friend. See? I
told you we're not that different in the end.

Shovie, you're being dishonest. I'm not surprised at this turn, but the
delicate sensibilities of some RAO readers might be offended.

George M. Middius wrote:

Shovels said:

No, liar. I said this:

Shovels(2) said:

Can you tell the difference, or do you need to throw up?

This half-baked rigmarole is simply intended to induce Genuine Audiophiles
to waste their time on blind alleys and useless experimentation.

....For once

No, not once. You tripped over your dick yet again. That's at least 10
times in the past week.

How does it feel to be RAO's #3 idiot? That takes some doing. Let nobody
say you haven't left your mark on Usenet, Shovels.




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

George M. Middius (the "M" stands for "Marvin") whined and cried:


George, I can tell that you're angry with me. I'm sorry, I guess I
must have said or done something to offend you. But then, you're such
a screaming little "Percival Puffpants" geekfreak, that it doesn't
take much to set you off. And when you get angry, you get all "Marvin"
on people's asses. You know, "Marvin the Martian"? That short, puffy
little feller on the Bugs Bunny cartoons who resembles your personae to
a T? I can just picture you after having finished reading one of my
posts about you, with your eyebrows raised and your fists clenched,
steam and snot slowly dribbling out of your nostrils, muttering to
yourself....


Georgie: "Oooh, I'm getting angry, VERY angry indeed!!"


You know how I can tell you're angry, Marvin? You get confused when
you're angry. I mean, "more confused than the usual Confused
Middius". Here's the dead giveaway:


You posted one attack on me in this thread that looked like this:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Shovie has his own kind of spelling. It involves magick "
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But then worried bout your public image as you always are, you thought
"NO, that's not effective enough". Guess you figure it isn't
pedantic enough. So, mustering up your full geekpower, you revised your
attack and launched THIS:.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Shovie has his own kind of spelling. It involves magic and
incantations
and lots of blasphemous perorations. "
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Now I hopeyou don't get angry again with me, but I'm going to have
to assume that "Shovie" is the pet name you have for yourself (or
perhaps your little Willy that you're not so fond of). Because I've
given it the old college try, and I'm sorry old boy, but I can't
find the word "perorations" anywhere. Look like you've tripped over
Willy again, Marvin. Well, look on the bright side. At least that means
you've managed to find him!

Shovie, you're being dishonest. I'm not surprised at this turn, but the
delicate sensibilities of some RAO readers might be offended.


Pffffffffffffftt! "The delicate sensibilities of RAO regulars might be
offended"? ROTFLMFAO!!!!


That's like saying you don't fart in front of a pig, because you
don't want to offend their "delicate sensibilities". You sure
didn't seem to mind offending Robert Morein's "delicate
sensibilities", or mine for that matter, when you LIED about me having
insulted him in my email to you. Did you, Marvin? Did you mind
offending Arny's "delicate sensibilities" when you repeatedly accused
him of fornicating his dead son? The son he had just lost to a brain
tumour? Or what about your remarks about his wife being a whore and
giving blowjobs for 50 cents? Is that the kind of tact that were to
believe you have for RAO readers?


George M. Middius wrote:

Shovels(2) said:

No, liar. I said this:

Shovels(2) said:

Can you tell the difference, or do you need to throw up?


Sorry, no. I can't tell the difference. Wait..... I think you're
right. There is a difference! Is it that one quote is "blacker" than
the other?


This half-baked rigmarole is simply intended to induce Genuine Audiophiles
to waste their time on blind alleys and useless experimentation.

....For once

No, not once. You tripped over your dick yet again.


I've heard of women having "penis envy", but the fact that you
exhibit the same affliction does tend to say a lot about your little
bundle of insecurities, doesn't it, Mr. Martian. After reading this,
you just checked to see if it's still there, didn't you?


That's at least 10
times in the past week.

That you've lied? No, I'm pretty sure it's more than that. Could
you recheck those stats for me, please?


How does it feel to be RAO's #3 idiot? That takes some doing.

Unfortunately, it's proven to be impossible to get to the coveted top
2 positions, occupied by you and Garbage Boy. Every time anyone tries,
you simply out-stupid them. I don't know how you two do it, because
you have SO much competition for those coveted spots. So tell me, does
Dave ever get jealous that you're the #1 idiot around here?

Let nobody
say you haven't left your mark on Usenet, Shovels.

Thank you. I know that when you finally leave RAO, I mean after they
manage to pry your cold, dead fingers off of your computer keyboard,
they'll say you've left your mark on Usenet as well. Only, yours
will look like a small brown stain.


I'll try not to offend your "delicate sensibilities" Percival, so
please don't get angry with me again. I almost died laughing this
time, and I don't know if I could stand another fit of hysterical
laughter, at your Marvin The Martian impression.

" wrote in
message oups.com...
Here's yet another incredible audio tweak I've figured out for you;
ever wondered how to make that annoying CD go quiet when you put it in
your player?

Wonder no more, it's easy and it won't cost me a penny! You'll need
some Post-it stickers but they shouldn't cost me anything as you can
steal them from work for me.

Turn the CD in question play-side up and apply the Post-it stickers
liberally over the surface. Take care not to put too many stickers on
the CD - that might stop you putting it in your player.

Insert the CD and - hey presto! You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!

Please give it a try and let me know how you get on with it.


http://www.littleboxes.nl/the14thdisciple

This tweak is scientifically unfounded, but I have a version that actually
works:
1. Place the CD play-side up as before
2. Hold a sterling silver fork in your fist, tongs down, so they contact the
playing surface (note, plated forks do not work, only PURE SILVER MUST BE
USED!)
3. With firm, constant pressure, push the tongs of the fork onto the playing
surface, while moving the fork in a clockwise cycloid motion (note:
counterclockwise will not work, and can result in even worse sound!)
4. Continue the process until the surface of the CD is a complete
scratchfest.
5. Now, flip the CD over, and do the same to the label side, until no
reflective coating remains.
6. You should now have a CD of unparallled transparancy, or at least,
translucency.
7. For perfectionists only: Using a permanent felt marker that contains
xylene, write all over both sides of the disk: "Sound has Priority". This
works best if you use the hand opposite your handedness.

Give it a try, and let me know how it works!

Robert Morein jumped into the pigpen and showed he can be as dumb and
irresponsible as anyone else on the group:

The person who started this thread is an obvious FORGER, Robert. I
thought it'd be pretty obvious, since his handle is not the same:
", and nor is the email address:
. The forger is some idiot troll based
in the Netherlands. Goes under many handles, such as "Traudel",
"Waltraud", etc.; and appears to be a religious nutcase, as he posts
mostly on religious nutcase groups, at least under his current email
address.

In trying to emulate one of my thread titles, he's too stupid to
realize that I already did "Tweak no. 2". But nevertheless, he's not
too stupid to fool both YOU, GEORGE MIDDIUS, FELLA and ,
and maybe some more people that will come along after I post this msg.
Doesn't take much to fool people around here, does it? LOL! I would
think that with all the forgeries you've been on the receiving end
of, you'd have learned from experience.

I couldn't help but notice that since my arrival, there have been a
LOT of dumb tweak jokes put out by a LOT of dumb people, that think
this sort of thing is extremely clever, original and funny. They also
seem to think they're making a statement, but the only statement I
can see they're making, is a declaration of how mindless they really
are. Take you, for example. "Inspired" by some valid tweaks that I
shared, you're advocating that people scratch up their CD's, and
destroy the polycarbonate with Xylene. What kind of statement is that
supposed to make? Is it one that a responsible audio engineer and
member of the IEEE would or should advocate? I'm not a professional
audio engineer, and yet somehow, I have more sense than to advocate
tweaks, or any practices, which are harmful or dangerous. I've never
done so, and I've never posted dumb "joke tweaks".

Somehow I thought that you'd have enough maturity and sense of
responsibility to rise above the din of the imbeciles here Robert, but
on reflection, considering that you seriously advocated that people
circumvent the grounding scheme of their amplifiers and risk
electrocuting themselves, perhaps you're not the responsible audio
engineer I mistook you for. I don't blame you or others here for
being so profoundly ignorant about audio, though. It appears that it
is, unfortunately, your lot in life.

BTW, you don't have to make a "complete scratchfest" of your CDs if
you want to improve their sound. You simply need take some fine
sandpaper and sand around the edges. Sanding over the playing side can
result in worse sound.



This tweak is scientifically unfounded, but I have a version that actually
works:
1. Place the CD play-side up as before
2. Hold a sterling silver fork in your fist, tongs down, so they contact the
playing surface (note, plated forks do not work, only PURE SILVER MUST BE
USED!)
3. With firm, constant pressure, push the tongs of the fork onto the playing
surface, while moving the fork in a clockwise cycloid motion (note:
counterclockwise will not work, and can result in even worse sound!)
4. Continue the process until the surface of the CD is a complete
scratchfest.
5. Now, flip the CD over, and do the same to the label side, until no
reflective coating remains.
6. You should now have a CD of unparallled transparancy, or at least,
translucency.
7. For perfectionists only: Using a permanent felt marker that contains
xylene, write all over both sides of the disk: "Sound has Priority". This
works best if you use the hand opposite your handedness.

Give it a try, and let me know how it works!

wrote:
I couldn't help but notice that since my arrival, there have been a
LOT of dumb tweak jokes put out by a LOT of dumb people, that think
this sort of thing is extremely clever, original and funny."


Dumb jokes were here long before you came around. Perhaps you should
stay home for Apr. 1st, unless you acquire some sense of humor in the
meantime.

TB

wrote:

wrote:
I couldn't help but notice that since my arrival, there have been a
LOT of dumb tweak jokes put out by a LOT of dumb people, that think
this sort of thing is extremely clever, original and funny."


Dumb jokes were here long before you came around. Perhaps you should
stay home for Apr. 1st, unless you acquire some sense of humor in the
meantime.

TB

DUH. Why do you think I consider them "dumb joke tweaks", brightlite?
You think the ignorants on RAO invented the idea of creating dumb joke
tweaks in response to valid serious tweaks that they wanted to ridicule
because it didn't fit with their limited understanding of the world?

My sense of humour is far more advanced than yours, or that of anyone
here, for that matter. That's precisely why I call these bogus tweaks
"dumb tweak jokes". It's the sign of someone who doesn't have an
advanced sense of humour, and thinks that anything that falls under the
category of humour is automatically funny by definition.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein jumped into the pigpen and showed he can be as dumb and
irresponsible as anyone else on the group:

The person who started this thread is an obvious FORGER, Robert. I
thought it'd be pretty obvious, since his handle is not the same:
", and nor is the email address:
. The forger is some idiot troll based
in the Netherlands. Goes under many handles, such as "Traudel",
"Waltraud", etc.; and appears to be a religious nutcase, as he posts
mostly on religious nutcase groups, at least under his current email
address.

It was a joke.
Laugh your guts out.

Robert Morein wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein jumped into the pigpen and showed he can be as dumb and
irresponsible as anyone else on the group:

The person who started this thread is an obvious FORGER, Robert. I
thought it'd be pretty obvious, since his handle is not the same:
", and nor is the email address:
. The forger is some idiot troll based
in the Netherlands. Goes under many handles, such as "Traudel",
"Waltraud", etc.; and appears to be a religious nutcase, as he posts
mostly on religious nutcase groups, at least under his current email
address.

It was a joke.
Laugh your guts out.

Sorry if I don't find your forgeries particularly funny. And I
don't find your bogus joke tweaks particularly clever, original or
funny. But they do say a lot about the joker.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein jumped into the pigpen and showed he can be as dumb and
irresponsible as anyone else on the group:

The person who started this thread is an obvious FORGER, Robert. I
thought it'd be pretty obvious, since his handle is not the same:
", and nor is the email address:
. The forger is some idiot troll based
in the Netherlands. Goes under many handles, such as "Traudel",
"Waltraud", etc.; and appears to be a religious nutcase, as he posts
mostly on religious nutcase groups, at least under his current email
address.

It was a joke.
Laugh your guts out.

Sorry if I don't find your forgeries particularly funny. And I
don't find your bogus joke tweaks particularly clever, original or
funny. But they do say a lot about the joker.

Not my forgery. My response was my joke.

Shovels' famous sense of humor is such a landmark to us terrestrials.

Sorry if I don't find your forgeries particularly funny. And I
don't find your bogus joke tweaks particularly clever, original or
funny. But they do say a lot about the joker.

Aside from showing that we all have a better sense of humor than you do
(which is not saying much, I admit), what do they say about you?





--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

wrote:



In trying to emulate one of my thread titles, he's too stupid to
realize that I already did "Tweak no. 2". But nevertheless, he's not
too stupid to fool both YOU, GEORGE MIDDIUS, FELLA and ,
and maybe some more people that will come along after I post this msg.
Doesn't take much to fool people around here, does it? LOL! I would
think that with all the forgeries you've been on the receiving end
of, you'd have learned from experience.



Who said I was fooled sound old chum you? I just did a little word play
as in "wasn't it so that *sound* *had* *priority* DUH! and this tweak
of yours results in no sound from our media" kind of gobbledygook like
that. It's kind of reverse sarcasm where you pretend to be completely
taken in. It doesn't really flabbergast the hell out of anyone but it's
usenet, we're here to blow some steam, no?

But frankly I see no function or form whatsoever in someone doing a
forgery number on you since any forged tweak in your name can't possibly
be sillier then the tweaks you seriously put forth here in all sincerity.

Of course *it is* possible that you would be doing the old trick in the
book forging the forgery, ip spoofing, etc.

The thing is the more I am convinced of your sincerity the more sorry I
feel for you, the way you twist yourself into all kinds of fits and
tantrums when you get the reactions you should expect to get to your
"tweaks". The way I see it, if *any* of the tweaks you posted would have
even a remote chance of actually doing something, anyhting!! to the
perceived sound at all (placebo aside) then it must mean that you are
light years ahead of the rest of the world of audio science, cognitive
science, newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, string theorists, you
name it, you are light years ahead... It means that you must have the
key to some higher form of wisdom way beyond the reach of us ordinary
mortals.

Now wouldn't such wisdom bring with it some form of maturity, some cool,
distant, sophisticated way of interaction with your fellow humans, some
sort of god-like, or prophet-like quality? If you *at least* had a less
conflict oriented stance (if you would at least less resemble a bitter
chihuahua) I would have eventually tried a tweak or two from your
repertoire. Let's see, the L shape for instance. Why the f.ck not? Just
draw an L shape on some cd's. But your silly reactions to the legitimate
reactions of people to your silly tweaks just reinforces the sillyness
of your silly tweaks into a singularity of sillyness that it would be
insult to anyones intelligence, even nyob's, for instance, to actually
even *consider* executing one of your tweaks.

Fella wrote:
wrote:
The thing is the more I am convinced of your sincerity the more sorry I
feel for you, the way you twist yourself into all kinds of fits and
tantrums when you get the reactions you should expect to get to your
"tweaks". The way I see it, if *any* of the tweaks you posted would have
even a remote chance of actually doing something, anyhting!! to the
perceived sound at all (placebo aside) then it must mean that you are
light years ahead of the rest of the world of audio science, cognitive
science, newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, string theorists, you
name it, you are light years ahead... It means that you must have the
key to some higher form of wisdom way beyond the reach of us ordinary
mortals.

Now wouldn't such wisdom bring with it some form of maturity, some cool,
distant, sophisticated way of interaction with your fellow humans, some
sort of god-like, or prophet-like quality? If you *at least* had a less
conflict oriented stance (if you would at least less resemble a bitter
chihuahua) I would have eventually tried a tweak or two from your
repertoire. Let's see, the L shape for instance. Why the f.ck not? Just
draw an L shape on some cd's. But your silly reactions to the legitimate
reactions of people to your silly tweaks just reinforces the sillyness
of your silly tweaks into a singularity of sillyness that it would be
insult to anyones intelligence, even nyob's, for instance, to actually
even *consider* executing one of your tweaks.

As bored as I am with attacking Mr. Sound, I'm afraid I have to endorse
the above two paragraphs; I sincerely hope Mr. Sound reads them
carefully and reflects on them for more than a microsecond. Especially
the phrase: "less conflict oriented stance".

Fella wrote:

wrote:



In trying to emulate one of my thread titles, he's too stupid to
realize that I already did "Tweak no. 2". But nevertheless, he's not
too stupid to fool both YOU, GEORGE MIDDIUS, FELLA and ,
and maybe some more people that will come along after I post this msg.
Doesn't take much to fool people around here, does it? LOL! I would
think that with all the forgeries you've been on the receiving end
of, you'd have learned from experience.

Who said I was fooled sound old chum you? I just did a little word play
as in "wasn't it so that *sound* *had* *priority* DUH! and this tweak
of yours results in no sound from our media" kind of gobbledygook like
that. It's kind of reverse sarcasm where you pretend to be completely
taken in.

What, that? Yeah, I knew all that. Just playing RAO politics, you know,
nothing personal. I don't make the rules, I just follow them.

It doesn't really flabbergast the hell out of anyone but it's
usenet, we're here to blow some steam, no?

No. I read the charter of this newsgroup, and it doesn't state "The
purpose of rec.audio.opinion is to blow off some steam". The reason
Usenet was invented was to promote discussion and further our knowledge
of various topics. That is realistically impossible to do on this
group, because everyone is too busy blowing off some steam. I don't
know if you or anyone still realizes this, but the newsgroup actually
has a theme; the theme is audio. The purpose of being here is to
discuss audio. It may seem obvious, because the word "audio" is in the
newsgroup title, but in fact, there are far more posts that are no more
than personal character attacks, than there are post on audio. I
didn't make it that way, that's the way it was when I got here. And
I actually didn't come here to "blow off steam", I came to discuss
audio. But everyone here has shown me in grandiose fashion, that this
is obviously not the place to do it. Anyway, I don't really have much
"steam" to blow off, I'm a pretty well balanced guy, and happy with
my life. And my audio system. If I only wanted flame wars, I'd be on
alt.flame. And frankly, those guys are a lot better. I find that
compared to some of the other groups I've taken on, all the flamers
here are rank amateurs.


But frankly I see no function or form whatsoever in someone doing a
forgery number on you since any forged tweak in your name can't possibly
be sillier then the tweaks you seriously put forth here in all sincerity.


Good point!


Of course *it is* possible that you would be doing the old trick in the
book forging the forgery, ip spoofing, etc.

Now why would I need to go to all that trouble to fool people about me,
when they are doing such a good job of that themselves?


The thing is the more I am convinced of your sincerity the more sorry I
feel for you, the way you twist yourself into all kinds of fits and
tantrums when you get the reactions you should expect to get to your
"tweaks".

I don't agree with your "fits and tantrums" assessment, but the
hysterical minds of RAO members seem to dictate that reactions always
have to be exaggerated by at least 10,000 fold before it becomes a
fact. But you left the question open as to why I should expect to get
such hostile reactions of mockery, derision, scorn and ridicule from
everyone. Who's fault is it that the tweaks don't seem logical to
you or others, according to your conventional views? Is it my fault?
The inventor's? And if you or the self-professed so-called
"scientists" here want to dismiss everything that seems "silly" to you,
as people have been doing throughout the history of this group, how the
hell are we ever supposed to embrace new concepts and ideas, and
progress in our understanding of the world? I feel sorry for most
everyone here, who share this kind of mentality. And I have a reason to
feel sorry, every time that I sit down and listen to my audio system.
Which probably sounds better than that of most of my critics. Because I
know a lot of things about truth that they don't, about the world we
live in that they don't, and I know that they could enjoy the same or
better sound from their audio, were they not prisoners of their fear
and logic. The more adverse and hostile reactions that I get to the
unconventional ideas that I support, the more I go in the opposite
direction to convention.


The way I see it, if *any* of the tweaks you posted would have
even a remote chance of actually doing something, anyhting!! to the
perceived sound at all (placebo aside) then it must mean that you are
light years ahead of the rest of the world of audio science, cognitive
science, newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, string theorists, you
name it, you are light years ahead...

Precisely. (Almost). That's what I intended to show. That if any of
the tweaks (except for the speaker grounding) have any discernible
effect on the sound, by -anyone-, then I've shown that there are
phenomena occuring that affect our perception of sound, which are
completely outside of Newtonian principles; including having a direct
effect on the signal path. I think its as easy as pie to demonstrate
this, since I know of so many ways within the realm of alternative
audio concepts. But at the same time, quite difficult, because there is
so much hostility from the mass majority to learning new things, and
accepting the possibility of new ideas in our understanding of science,
our biology, and the world we live in. This fear and hostility, as you
might imagine, can impair someone's judgement on hearing changes even
if they do try the tweaks.

Nevertheless, its not impossible. I read a thread in another discussion
forum (headwize.org), where someone had brought up the subject of the
silver foils, that Belt puts out. In order to hold it up to ridicule.
Everyone there was like everyone he ALL ignorant pigs. Not a single
person, to my recollection, defended the idea that the foils are or
might be valid. Then one of the more brilliant ignorant pigs got the
bright idea one day to actually try one of the foils, and report back
to his mates. (They are strips of specially treated foil that you stick
on CDs and such, to improve your sound). He swore up and down that he
would really raise a ruckus if the thing was bogus, as he assumed it
was. Unfortunately, it wasn't. After applying it to his CDs, he
begrudgingly reported that he did believe hearing an improvement with
the foils in place, and a degradation when removed. Naturally, he was
then made the object of ridicule by the rest of the ignorant pigs,
instead of just the foils.

I don't know about "light years", but my colleagues estimate we are
15-20 years ahead of the audio community. My estimate, after my
experiences on this group, got pushed up to "at least 40-50 years
ahead". But you're trying to discredit them by going too far in your
presumption that there aren't any known principles behind the ideas.
They don't operate on Newtonian principles, we know that much. But
I'm not "light years ahead of the rest of the world of audio
science", because there are thousands of audiophiles like me that have
tried these concepts and products within this niche of alternative
audio, heard differences, appreciated what they heard, and are ardent
believers of these concepts. Furthermore, it isn't ahead of quantum
mechanics, much of it appears to adhere to principles of quantum
mechanics (and biology, as it relates). But we have to remember that QM
is a relatively new science, and not much is known in this area. It's
going to take a long time before things like morphic resonance can be
measured (laser interferometry is one possible suggestion), but if so,
why follow the sheep until that time, you could be dead by then?



It means that you must have the
key to some higher form of wisdom way beyond the reach of us ordinary
mortals.

How beyond the reach of ordinary mortals is amazon.com? You can start
by ordering John Gribbin's "Schroedingers Cat" and Dr. Rupert
Sheldrake's "The Presence of the Past", if you have a pressing need
to understand the elegant wisdom behind what you call "sillyness".


Now wouldn't such wisdom bring with it some form of maturity, some cool,
distant, sophisticated way of interaction with your fellow humans, some
sort of god-like, or prophet-like quality?

Yeah, I tried the Jesus angle. Doesn't work. And not just because
I'm a buddhist at heart. I can be a cool cat, if I wanted. I think I
tried that here at the very beginning. I mean I could just send
"thought waves" out into the ether, that vaguely insinuate I hold some
superior knowledge to my opponent, which they are not intellectually
mature enough to understand, and hope that maybe in a few years,
they'll come to understand it. But as we know, such forms of subtlety
don't work on backyard swine. This group is like the WWF of audio.
You basically have to bash people on the head with a metal folding
chair, before you can have a hope of getting your message across. So
when stationed in Philiswine, I have to speak "Philiswinese", to make
myself understood, don't I. Besides which, there's a lot of fun in
calling people "ignorants" and "idiots", when that's exactly what
they're behaving like. Note that I don't call people who really
can't help the fact that they're dumb, names like that. Only those
who deserve to be beaten with the "club of truth". Then there's
always the fact that I don't believe in Gods and prophets, don't
consider myself either in any way, and don't have any particular
craving to put myself above anyone. If I did, I would not have tried to
share what I know about audio, I would have kept it all to myself.

If you *at least* had a less
conflict oriented stance (if you would at least less resemble a bitter
chihuahua) I would have eventually tried a tweak or two from your
repertoire.

Again, you people seem oblivious to the fact that the conficts didn't
come from me. I was treated disrespectfully from the moment I first
posted, and in no time, attacked. I was often much less hostile in my
responses than those of my would-be attackers. I still think I am. But
that aside, whether it comes from a bitter chihuahua or not, how does
that stop anyone from trying the tweaks, if they simply want to improve
their sound? I said right from the beginning, they are not for
everyone, but for "advanced" people. Besides the audiophile
implications, that also implies they are for people who are smart
enough to go past prejudices and biases, and peek behind the curtain.
NO audio device, if it is to be judged fairly, should ever be solely
judged on the person who created it or the theory behind it. And
that's basically the point I'm trying to make in my humble little
attempts to expand people's minds.


Let's see, the L shape for instance. Why the f.ck not? Just
draw an L shape on some cd's.

I know, sounds simple enough, right? That's just what I thought. At
the beginning.... That was before one of you threatened to sue me
simply for me having implied that he tried the L-shape. Everyone else
didn't ever bother to try it, even though it takes 30 seconds to do.
Which is a hell of a lot less time than it takes for those same people
to write attack messages to me. So there's a lot more resistance to
such simple ideas, than you're aware of.


But your silly reactions to the legitimate
reactions of people to your silly tweaks just reinforces the sillyness
of your silly tweaks into a singularity of sillyness that it would be
insult to anyones intelligence, even nyob's, for instance, to actually
even *consider* executing one of your tweaks.

But that's okay too. Any reaction that I get, is always the correct
reaction that I am looking for. As I said, I don't get a royalty
every time someone tries my free tweak, and I'm not trying to change
the lives of people I really don't care about. But what you have to
understand is that there isn't just one global perspective on life in
the world. To me, its the reactions that I am getting that are "silly".
Because they are completely dismissive reactions to phenomena that
people know nothing about and have never experimented with, and never
even made serious inquiries with me to try to learn more. And at this
point in the hostilities, I'm -much- less willing than I was at the
beginning, to seriously respond to those inquiries, because I saw how
productive that was with Mr. Morein, for one example. Keep in mind that
the very first response that I received to my very first post was a
dismissive reaction. I didn't even have a chance to react, before I
was dismissed as a troll, or a freak.

So my reactions at having my intelligence insulted in such a great
variety of ways, and my character misrepresented in as many ways, are
actually quite legitimate. Much more legitimate than people reacting to
my serious posts or tweaks with ridicule, derision, mockery and
insincere joke tweaks. Obviously, I don't feel it would be an insult
to anyone's intelligence to try any of the tweaks, because you have
to have intelligence for it to be insulted. And if you decided you
won't take 30 seconds to cut a piece of paper or the corners off your
clothing labels when it may (or may not) improve your sound, simply
because you don't trust or like the audiophile that suggested it,
I'm sorry but you can't lay claim to having much of an intellect.
Education maybe, intelligence, hardly. After all, most of my tweaks
weren't invented by me, and aren't simply being endorsed by me.
Many people do such things, and things FAR more "silly" than what
I've mentioned here.

wrote:

(snip heaps and heaps and heaps of stuff. A truckload of stuff. Really,
no joking, a hundred thousand words at least)

Phew, I'm exhausted!

And grateful. Grateful that what we think here doesn't actually mean
anything to Mr. Sound. And our barbs just bounce off his impregnable
armour.

Because otherwise we'd have a post longer than War & Peace to get
through.

It's off to bed now. A nice little late afternoon nap.....

wrote:


So my reactions at having my intelligence insulted in such a great
variety of ways, and my character misrepresented in as many ways, are
actually quite legitimate.

Not at all. You came forth with extremely unconventional things. The
reactions you got were as extremely predictable and justified.

I mean come on... Come the **** on... Pinhole asirin four legged animal
pic... That I go thorugh the household closets and cut off labels from
clothing (hundreds, perhaps thousands of items...) What the ...

Well here I go and confess that although I felt stupid, extremely stupid
doing it I took a CD last night listened to it then I took it out and I
drew that L shape on it and listened to it again and heard no
difference. I did this because as a human being I felt sorry for you.

Obviously, I don't feel it would be an insult
to anyone's intelligence to try any of the tweaks, because you have
to have intelligence for it to be insulted.

You are hopeless.


And if you decided you
won't take 30 seconds to cut a piece of paper or the corners off your
clothing labels when it may (or may not) improve your sound, simply
because you don't trust or like the audiophile that suggested it,
I'm sorry but you can't lay claim to having much of an intellect.

And crazy.

wrote

snip quacking


No. I read the charter of this newsgroup, and it
doesn't state "The purpose of rec.audio.opinion
is to blow off some steam". The reason Usenet
was invented was to promote discussion and
further our knowledge of various topics.

Good point.


That is realistically impossible to do on this
group, because everyone is too busy blowing
off some steam.

Yes, this N.G.can be a had row to hoe for Newbies.


I don't know if you or anyone still realizes this,
but the newsgroup actually has a theme; the theme
is audio. The purpose of being here is to discuss
audio.

Have any of your posts been intentionally canceled?
It appears that you have had plenty of opportunities
to get your message across (USEnet intent). What
more do you want?


And I actually didn't come here to "blow off steam",
I came to discuss audio.

Your brand/mindset of audio is unique. It's difficult
for people to relate to your viewpoint when there is
no apparent methodology behind it.


But you left the question open as to why I should
expect to get such hostile reactions of mockery,
derision, scorn and ridicule from everyone.

Soooo? Does this justified a returning in kind
on your part?


Who's fault is it that the tweaks don't seem logical
to you or others, according to your conventional
views? Is it my fault?

Well, yes!


The inventor's?

Yes.


And if you or the self-professed so-called "scientists"
here want to dismiss everything that seems "silly" to
you, as people have been doing throughout the history
of this group, how the hell are we ever supposed to
embrace new concepts and ideas, and progress in our
understanding of the world?

Ok.


I feel sorry for most everyone here, who share this
kind of mentality. And I have a reason to feel sorry,
every time that I sit down and listen to my audio system.
Which probably sounds better than that of most of my
critics.

Quack, quack, quack...


Because I know a lot of things about truth that they
don't,

"Truth"... please define? What is the difference
between a fact and a claim?


about the world we live in that they don't,

Don't we all have our own unique perspective?


and I know that they could enjoy the same or
better sound from their audio, were they not
prisoners of their fear and logic.

How does one "enjoy the same" sound?
Isn't that a null or no difference.


Precisely. (Almost). That's what I intended to
show. That if any of the tweaks (except for the
speaker grounding) have any discernible effect
on the sound,

"discernible effect"... please define? Does
the change have to be for the better (higher
fidelity)?


by -anyone-, then I've shown that there are
phenomena occuring that affect our perception
of sound, which are completely outside of
Newtonian principles; including having a direct
effect on the signal path.

This is a very poor metaphor "Newtonian principles"
as it represented a viewpoint of the world that existed
in the 18th and 19th century. Interesting study for 8th
grade science class.


I think its as easy as pie to demonstrate this, since
I know of so many ways within the realm of
alternative audio concepts.

"concepts"... I see no methodology.


But at the same time, quite difficult, because
there is so much hostility from the mass majority
to learning new things, and accepting the
possibility of new ideas in our understanding of
science, our biology, and the world we live in.

As I understand your byline you have rejected
science in favor of empiricism.


They don't operate on Newtonian principles, we
know that much.

In the strictest sense nothing does. Not since
18th and 19th century.


But we have to remember that QM is a relatively
new science, and not much is known in this area.

"New science"...you have no idea what you are
talking about. Quantum Mechanics was a mature
science by the early 60's. The latest version now
being referred to as Quantum Chromodynamics.

A troll who goes by many troll names and forged my posts wrote:


Is living in the Netherlands THAT boring, that you have nothing better
to do than forge my posts? Did you just tire of trolling the religious
newsgroups, or decide to use your "other" handle, the one you don't
use on this group? You don't have to post idiotic tweaks to prove
that you have a few screws loose in that rattlebox you're calling a
brain, "Traudel". Your desperate cries for attention from forging
people's posts is enough. Perhaps you think you're being clever or
original by responding to valid tweaks with dumb joke tweaks of your
own. Trust me, you're far from clever or original, and you're an
awful forger. If you don't care for my tweaks, then why instead of
forging my posts and making a statement on my efforts by posting stupid
joke tweaks, why don't you post what YOU consider to be valid tweaks
or ideas? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I already know that
answer is that you're too dumb and unimaginitive to do so.

Well, don't feel bad, I'll try to turn your negative energy into
something positive. If you want to improve your sound but the only way
you know how is to mock someone else's methodds, than try this: Take
one of those Post-it stickers of yours, and instead of placing it on
the CD, place it glue side down under any one of the feet of your CD
player, if it contains four feet.

Are you happy with your 15 minutes of fame now, Waltraudel? Good troll.
Run along now, and tell your mother how excited you are.

Regards,



The Real Soundhaspriority.




Here's yet another incredible audio tweak I've figured out for you;
ever wondered how to make that annoying CD go quiet when you put it in
your player?

Wonder no more, it's easy and it won't cost me a penny! You'll need
some Post-it stickers but they shouldn't cost me anything as you can
steal them from work for me.

Turn the CD in question play-side up and apply the Post-it stickers
liberally over the surface. Take care not to put too many stickers on
the CD - that might stop you putting it in your player.

Insert the CD and - hey presto! You'll find that the music/speech or
whatever else it was you wanted to avoid hearing is now completely
inaudible!

Please give it a try and let me know how you get on with it.


http://www.littleboxes.nl/the14thdisciple

On 29 Mar 2006 10:31:20 -0800, wrote:

Trust me, you're far from clever or original, and you're an
awful forger. If you don't care for my tweaks, then why instead of
forging my posts and making a statement on my efforts by posting stupid
joke tweaks, why don't you post what YOU consider to be valid tweaks
or ideas? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I already know that
answer is that you're too dumb and unimaginitive to do so.

Learn to spell.

dave weil said:

unimaginitive

Learn to spell.

Shovie has his own kind of spelling. It involves magic and incantations
and lots of blasphemous perorations.



--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

dave weil said:

unimaginitive

Learn to spell.

Shovie has his own kind of spelling. It involves magick



--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

said:


Is living in the Netherlands THAT boring.....


It can be, yes.

Have you ever seen pictures of our MP?

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wrote in message
oups.com...

A troll who goes by many troll names and forged my posts wrote:


Is living in the Netherlands THAT boring, that you have nothing better
to do than forge my posts? Did you just tire of trolling the religious
newsgroups, or decide to use your "other" handle, the one you don't
use on this group? You don't have to post idiotic tweaks to prove
that you have a few screws loose in that rattlebox you're calling a
brain, "Traudel". Your desperate cries for attention from forging
people's posts is enough. Perhaps you think you're being clever or
original by responding to valid tweaks with dumb joke tweaks of your
own. Trust me, you're far from clever or original, and you're an
awful forger. If you don't care for my tweaks, then why instead of
forging my posts and making a statement on my efforts by posting stupid
joke tweaks, why don't you post what YOU consider to be valid tweaks
or ideas? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I already know that
answer is that you're too dumb and unimaginitive to do so.

Well, don't feel bad, I'll try to turn your negative energy into
something positive. If you want to improve your sound but the only way
you know how is to mock someone else's methodds, than try this: Take
one of those Post-it stickers of yours, and instead of placing it on
the CD, place it glue side down under any one of the feet of your CD
player, if it contains four feet.

I can confirm that this works really well for any table or chair, that
rocks. Usually one has to use an entire pack of postit notes. Corrugated
cardboard is a cheaper alternative.

Robert Morein wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

A troll who goes by many troll names and forged my posts wrote:


Is living in the Netherlands THAT boring, that you have nothing better
to do than forge my posts? Did you just tire of trolling the religious
newsgroups, or decide to use your "other" handle, the one you don't
use on this group? You don't have to post idiotic tweaks to prove
that you have a few screws loose in that rattlebox you're calling a
brain, "Traudel". Your desperate cries for attention from forging
people's posts is enough. Perhaps you think you're being clever or
original by responding to valid tweaks with dumb joke tweaks of your
own. Trust me, you're far from clever or original, and you're an
awful forger. If you don't care for my tweaks, then why instead of
forging my posts and making a statement on my efforts by posting stupid
joke tweaks, why don't you post what YOU consider to be valid tweaks
or ideas? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I already know that
answer is that you're too dumb and unimaginitive to do so.

Well, don't feel bad, I'll try to turn your negative energy into
something positive. If you want to improve your sound but the only way
you know how is to mock someone else's methodds, than try this: Take
one of those Post-it stickers of yours, and instead of placing it on
the CD, place it glue side down under any one of the feet of your CD
player, if it contains four feet.

I can confirm that this works really well for any table or chair, that
rocks. Usually one has to use an entire pack of postit notes. Corrugated
cardboard is a cheaper alternative.

Thats only to stabilize the device. My tweak was intended to improve
the sound, not stabilize the device. Your tweak won't necessarily,
and could make things worse.

Robert Morein said:

I can confirm that this works really well for any table or chair, that
rocks. Usually one has to use an entire pack of postit notes. Corrugated
cardboard is a cheaper alternative.

A more high-tech solution would be the Matchbox version of a hydraulic
jack. I think it's included in the Matchbox Garage set.





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A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

George "Marvin" Middius cried:

Robert Morein said:

I can confirm that this works really well for any table or chair, that
rocks. Usually one has to use an entire pack of postit notes. Corrugated
cardboard is a cheaper alternative.

A more high-tech solution would be the Matchbox version of a hydraulic
jack. I think it's included in the Matchbox Garage set.

Can't you simply check your toybox under your racing car bed and find
out for us, Marvin?

By the way, I figured out in my last post, from your made-up spelling,
that "Shovels" is a pet name you give for yourself. So I'm sorry to
see that I've embarassed you again, from the title that you've
(inexplicably) changed this thread to. You can continue to call
yourself "Shovels" or "Shovie" for short, but I think I'll address
you as "Marvin". It just seems to fit better than "Middiocre" or
"George the Greek" or "Lil' Georgie Pie" or "Mork from Middius" or
even, simply, "George The Geek".

Okay, carry on, Marvin. ==== (Yup. Perfect fit!)

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Robert Morein said:

I can confirm that this works really well for any table or chair, that
rocks. Usually one has to use an entire pack of postit notes. Corrugated
cardboard is a cheaper alternative.

A more high-tech solution would be the Matchbox version of a hydraulic
jack. I think it's included in the Matchbox Garage set.

George, how about you and me go into business selling furniture tweaks?
Our first product: the "Tippy Chair Stabilizer".
Don't laugh. Small things start small. Of course, they stay that way.

Robert Morein said:

A more high-tech solution would be the Matchbox version of a hydraulic
jack. I think it's included in the Matchbox Garage set.

George, how about you and me go into business selling furniture tweaks?
Our first product: the "Tippy Chair Stabilizer".
Don't laugh. Small things start small. Of course, they stay that way.

Fame and fortune await Shovels on ABC's new game show:
http://301url.com/1in




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Robert Morein wrote:
"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Robert Morein said:

Don't laugh.

Impossible. :-)

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Robert Morein said:

I can confirm that this works really well for any table or chair, that
rocks. Usually one has to use an entire pack of postit notes. Corrugated
cardboard is a cheaper alternative.

A more high-tech solution would be the Matchbox version of a hydraulic
jack. I think it's included in the Matchbox Garage set.

Also, we can market "chair grease". The chair seat is lubricated with a
nonstaining teflon based grease, so McLardo and other fatasses can slide on
and off. Hell, we'll call it an "electret". We can claim it bombards
fatasses with tachyons.