http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

"cwvalle" wrote in message
m...
http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Canola oil is the real enemy.

"cwvalle" wrote in message
m
http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Obviously, one of vallle's better thought-out posts.

Robert Morein said:

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Canola oil is the real enemy.

Don't forget the evidence against nanites that's staring us all in
the face.

From: "cwvalle"
Date: 1/23/2004 2:18 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Scientific proof that you are a gullible fool? ;-)

From the Diamond Center article:

"With the advent of Direct Stream Digital (DSD) recording, it is now possible
to conclude that the negative effects I have stated above are due not to the
digital process per se but to the mode of achieving it, Pulse Code Modulation
(PCM). For DSD recordings do not have these negative effects.

"Although it was suggested, unfortunately the record industry did not make
analog backups of their digital (PCM) sessions. So now there is a (very
expensive) twenty year hiatus. Hence some SACDs (the CD format for DSD) are
being released which have gone through the PCM process and are as negative as
regular CDs."

Two questions:

Is there a way to be sure of getting purely DSD recordings?

Are DSD CDs -- as opposed to CDs -- as free from these negative artifacts as
SACDs?

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:45:27 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:

Canola oil is the real enemy.

It comes from Canada, the evil empire of the north. Need I say more?

Canola oil is GRAS (generally recognized as safe), but I have concluded I
have an idiosyncratic reaction to it.

(Torresists) wrote:



From: "cwvalle"
Date: 1/23/2004 2:18 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Scientific proof that you are a gullible fool? ;-)

That's likely. Statements like this:

Especially when we recall that the digital process is no longer confined to
recorded music but is now affecting us nearly all day: TV, radio, telephones
etc. It is we who have become digitalized! show a remarkable lack of
understanding about technology deployment.

PCM began in telecom nearly 20 years prior to Diamond's AES talk. The first
time Americans used PCM audio was in 1962 when Western Electric installed
digital carrier systems in Illinois.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"cwvalle" wrote in message
m
http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Obviously, one of vallle's better thought-out posts.



Hey - dense as a post ...

Figures that you would attack me in some way
you spelled my name wrong
obviously one of your less thought out
posts

Carl
PS - I laugh at you, not with you
: ]

François Yves Le Gal said:

However, most important of all is that it helps with deep problems of
personal identity, the overcoming of which is the basis for all Healing."

ROTFL

So you're saying it didn't help you at all?

"cwvalle" wrote in news:vN4Qb.9898$U_3.7365
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof


Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.


Tim

--

"The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
and the second strongest is to resist it."

Kenneth Graham

Little Timmie Brown-Nose said:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.

When was the last time any empirical evidence about audio equipment
made a dent in your religious beliefs, Timmie?

"browntimdc" wrote in message

"cwvalle" wrote in news:vN4Qb.9898$U_3.7365
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof


Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.

If this is the same Dr. Diamond as was badmouthing Digital back in 1980 and
1985, and it appears that it is, we're basically looking at some very old
news.

JAES, Vol 28, p, 546, 1980 July/Aug and JAES,Vol.33, No.12, 1985 December

Dr. Diamond's claims fail the independent duplication test. Other
independent experimenters fail to duplicate his results, even when
instructed in the use of his procedures by Dr. Diamond.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message ...
"cwvalle" wrote in message
m...
http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof

Canola oil is the real enemy.

Canola oil is a GMA food. That is the biological equivalent to
digitizing the DNA of the rape seed.

They now have a new *dithered* Canola oil, which tastes very much like
the old analog Canola oil. They are going to run an ABX taste test on
the old and the new, Canola oil to see which one causes the least
stress.

Bob Stanton

"Arny Krueger" wrote in news:MLCdnUuIq5Dwso7dRVn-
:

"browntimdc" wrote in message

"cwvalle" wrote in news:vN4Qb.9898$U_3.7365
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof


Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.

If this is the same Dr. Diamond as was badmouthing Digital back in 1980
and
1985, and it appears that it is, we're basically looking at some very
old
news.

JAES, Vol 28, p, 546, 1980 July/Aug and JAES,Vol.33, No.12, 1985
December

Dr. Diamond's claims fail the independent duplication test. Other
independent experimenters fail to duplicate his results, even when
instructed in the use of his procedures by Dr. Diamond.




Diamond is a well known quack.

"... he now practices as a Holistic Consultant and blends his experience
in medicine, psychiatry, complementary medicine, the humanities, holism,
applied kinesiology, acupuncture theory, spirituality and the arts,
especially music, to help people overcome problems relating to body, mind
and spirit. "

The guy is scary.

r

BTW there is nothing scientific about this alleged proof.

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Rich Andrews" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in news:MLCdnUuIq5Dwso7dRVn-
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"browntimdc" wrote in message

"cwvalle" wrote in news:vN4Qb.9898$U_3.7365
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof


Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.

If this is the same Dr. Diamond as was badmouthing Digital back in 1980
and
1985, and it appears that it is, we're basically looking at some very
old
news.

JAES, Vol 28, p, 546, 1980 July/Aug and JAES,Vol.33, No.12, 1985
December

Dr. Diamond's claims fail the independent duplication test. Other
independent experimenters fail to duplicate his results, even when
instructed in the use of his procedures by Dr. Diamond.




Diamond is a well known quack.

"... he now practices as a Holistic Consultant and blends his experience
in medicine, psychiatry, complementary medicine, the humanities, holism,
applied kinesiology, acupuncture theory, spirituality and the arts,
especially music, to help people overcome problems relating to body, mind
and spirit. "

The guy is scary.


Nothing can be more scary to you
than the concept that music soothes stress
and makes one feel better.




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"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:35 GMT, "cwvalle" wrote:

Here is scientific proof

Ending with :
"LIFE ENERGY PLUST

After many years of research I have at last formulated a supplement
combination called LIFE ENERGY PLUST which appears to alleviate many of
the
effects of PCM - it still doesn't sound like music nor fully act like it,
but this formulation does overcome what in the recording industry is now
called "digital fatigue." It also demonstrably alleviates some of the
negative EMF effects of, for example, computers, TV, and mobile phones,
all
so much now a very large part of our daily lives.

However, most important of all is that it helps with deep problems of
personal identity, the overcoming of which is the basis for all Healing."

ROTFL




time to get the tin-foil hats ourt again

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message

"Rich Andrews" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in news:MLCdnUuIq5Dwso7dRVn-
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"browntimdc" wrote in message

"cwvalle" wrote in news:vN4Qb.9898$U_3.7365
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof


Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.

If this is the same Dr. Diamond as was badmouthing Digital back in
1980
and
1985, and it appears that it is, we're basically looking at some
very
old
news.

JAES, Vol 28, p, 546, 1980 July/Aug and JAES,Vol.33, No.12, 1985
December

Dr. Diamond's claims fail the independent duplication test. Other
independent experimenters fail to duplicate his results, even when
instructed in the use of his procedures by Dr. Diamond.




Diamond is a well known quack.

"... he now practices as a Holistic Consultant and blends his
experience in medicine, psychiatry, complementary medicine, the
humanities, holism, applied kinesiology, acupuncture theory,
spirituality and the arts, especially music, to help people overcome
problems relating to body, mind and spirit. "

The guy is scary.

Nothing can be more scary to you
than the concept that music soothes stress
and makes one feel better.

Of course that's another one of your self-righteous crazy lies, Yustabe.

The problem with Dr. Diamond's silly claims and pseudoscience is not the
idea that music soothes stress and makes one feel better, but rather that
good quality digitization somehow reduces the ability of music to soothe
stress and make one feel better.

If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in inherent
in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and hum that often
accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances the ability of music to
soothe stress
and make one feel better.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:25:47 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Nothing can be more scary to you
than the concept that music soothes stress
and makes one feel better.

Of course that's another one of your self-righteous crazy lies, Yustabe.

The problem with Dr. Diamond's silly claims and pseudoscience is not the
idea that music soothes stress and makes one feel better, but rather that
good quality digitization somehow reduces the ability of music to soothe
stress and make one feel better.

If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in inherent
in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and hum that often
accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances the ability of music to
soothe stress
and make one feel better.

OSAF.

If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in inherent
in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and hum that often
accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances the ability of music to
soothe stress
and make one feel better.

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by getting a
tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does Arny's table.. If you
want to get rid of tics buy better records and take care of them. Do tell us
Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum tubes. Maybe you should check for
ground loops first.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent
in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and hum that
often
accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances the ability of music
to
soothe stress
and make one feel better.

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by getting a
tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does Arny's table.. If
you
want to get rid of tics buy better records and take care of them. Do tell
us
Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum tubes. Maybe you should check
for
ground loops first.

I was listening to Kate, Shins, Etc, Gabriel, and a few other albums
I got recently last night. It was interesting to note how quiet the better
pressings
are. No audible rumble in them. I think what most people perceive
as rumble is not due to the turntable but the quality or cleanliness
of the pressing.

ScottW

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:25:47 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Nothing can be more scary to you
than the concept that music soothes stress
and makes one feel better.

Of course that's another one of your self-righteous crazy lies, Yustabe.

The problem with Dr. Diamond's silly claims and pseudoscience is not the
idea that music soothes stress and makes one feel better, but rather that
good quality digitization somehow reduces the ability of music to soothe
stress and make one feel better.

If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent
in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and hum that often
accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances the ability of music
to
soothe stress
and make one feel better.

OSAF.

excuse me
OSAF = ?

Carl

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:9aYQb.60768$zs4.45115@fed1read01...

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent
in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and hum that
often
accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances the ability of
music
to
soothe stress
and make one feel better.

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by getting a
tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does Arny's table.. If
you
want to get rid of tics buy better records and take care of them. Do
tell
us
Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum tubes. Maybe you should
check
for
ground loops first.

I was listening to Kate, Shins, Etc, Gabriel, and a few other albums
I got recently last night. It was interesting to note how quiet the better
pressings
are. No audible rumble in them. I think what most people perceive
as rumble is not due to the turntable but the quality or cleanliness
of the pressing.

ScottW



I have a Mangione on right now that has great bass, and the cymbals are so
focused it's incredible. Album Title is "Feels So Good." A&M SP 4658
This is not even any kind of 'special' pressing, just a run of the mill
release.
Still sounds good to me, there is no 'rumble' or tics and pops on this
thing.
Recommended
Carl

cwvalle said:

OSAF.

excuse me
OSAF = ?

It means "Arnii is talking out of his ass again."

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and
hum that often accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances
the ability of music to soothe stress
and make one feel better.

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by getting
a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does Arny's
table..

There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.

If you want to get rid of tics buy better records and take
care of them.

There ain't no such thing, just radical vinyphiles with bad hearing.

Do tell us Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum
tubes.

Something about the fact that a lot of tubed equipment doesn't put DC on all
the heaters.

Maybe you should check for ground loops first.

Maybe sockpuppet wheel you should check your ears for wax buildup.

Arny said


If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and
hum that often accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances
the ability of music to soothe stress
and make one feel better.

I said


If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by getting
a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does Arny's
table..

Arny said


There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.


Well, Arny finds victory in another typo then falls on his face when he claims
there aint no such thing as a turntable without audible rumble. I guess Arny
can't see past his own defective turntable.

I said


If you want to get rid of tics buy better records and take
care of them.

Arny said



There ain't no such thing, just radical vinyphiles with bad hearing.



Nice demonstration of your total ignorance of the medium.


I said


Do tell us Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum
tubes.

Arny said



Something about the fact that a lot of tubed equipment doesn't put DC on all
the heaters.

Maybe you could cite some amps that suffer from inherent hum.

I said


Maybe you should check for ground loops first.

Arny said


Maybe sockpuppet wheel you should check your ears for wax buildup.



Any time you want to compare hearing acuity Arny say the word. Every time I
make the challenge you make excuses.

excuse me
OSAF = ?

Carl

Opinion stated as fact.

"Arny Krueger" thinking he was clever, farted the following:

you should check your ears for wax buildup.



Perhaps you should check your head for a brain arny.
(This is easier if you pull it out your ass first)

Said Carl
Just trying to be helpful
note.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"S888Wheel" wrote in message


If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and
hum that often accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances
the ability of music to soothe stress
and make one feel better.

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by getting
a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does Arny's
table..

There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.


How many db down does rumble have to be to
be inaudible?

ScottW

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

excuse me
OSAF = ?

Carl

Opinion stated as fact.

oh
okay
Carl

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in :


"Rich Andrews" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in news:MLCdnUuIq5Dwso7dRVn-
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"browntimdc" wrote in message

"cwvalle" wrote in news:vN4Qb.9898$U_3.7365
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:

http://www.diamondcenter.net/digitalstress.html

Digital music is bad for you
analog is good

Here is scientific proof


Poppycock by a hack peddling nutritional supplements.

If this is the same Dr. Diamond as was badmouthing Digital back in 1980
and
1985, and it appears that it is, we're basically looking at some very
old
news.

JAES, Vol 28, p, 546, 1980 July/Aug and JAES,Vol.33, No.12, 1985
December

Dr. Diamond's claims fail the independent duplication test. Other
independent experimenters fail to duplicate his results, even when
instructed in the use of his procedures by Dr. Diamond.




Diamond is a well known quack.

"... he now practices as a Holistic Consultant and blends his experience
in medicine, psychiatry, complementary medicine, the humanities, holism,
applied kinesiology, acupuncture theory, spirituality and the arts,
especially music, to help people overcome problems relating to body, mind
and spirit. "

The guy is scary.


Nothing can be more scary to you
than the concept that music soothes stress
and makes one feel better.



I think you misunderstand my position.

Here is something that says that digital music digital is helpful.

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/...53 DY,00.html


"MEADVILLE, PA (November 14, 2003) — The employee dissatisfaction,
burnout and rampant turnover that threaten one of America's most stress-prone
industries — long-term care — may have a solution in one of man's oldest
activities, according to a new scientific study. Researchers have found
that a specific Recreational Music-making (RMM) program drastically
reduced employee burnout and mood disturbances with huge projected economic
benefits for the long-term care industry."

"A groundbreaking study, funded by Yamaha Corporation of America with
participation by REMO and published in the Fall/Winter 2003 issue of
Advances in Mind-Body Medicine, demonstrates that a six-week program of
Recreational Music-making not only reduced burnout in long-term care workers,
but also reduced Total Mood Disturbance by 46 percent. Using industry-wide
human resources data, researchers projected that this improvement could
result in an 18.3 percent reduction in employee turnover, which would
save the average 100-bed facility more than $89,000 a year-and the entire
long-term care industry as much as $1.46 billion annually. Actual reductions
in turnover at Wesbury United Methodist Retirement Community, the center
where the study took place, exceeded the research projections."

"The study's protocol was based upon Group Empowerment
Drumming, coupled with exercises on a digital piano..."

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


Any time you want to compare hearing acuity Arny say the word. Every
time I make the challenge you make excuses.

Tell me what you can do in terms of resolving small differences in DBTs at
www.pcabx.com . More specifically, http://www.pcabx.com/training/index.htm
..

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:C2%Qb.60821$zs4.14748@fed1read01
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"S888Wheel" wrote in message


If anything, removing the rumble, tics, and audible distortion in
inherent in vinyl, and the audible coloration, hiss, distortion and
hum that often accompany the use of vacuum tubes, greatly enhances
the ability of music to soothe stress
and make one feel better.

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by
getting a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does
Arny's table..

There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.

How many db down does rumble have to be to
be inaudible?

Depends on its spectral content. However, the best turntable in the world
won't reduce well-known sources of low frequency noise in LPs, such as
"grain noise" and rumble from the cutting lathe.

"Arny Krueger" said:

Do tell us Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum
tubes.

Something about the fact that a lot of tubed equipment doesn't put DC on all
the heaters.

With indirectly heated tubes, there's no need for using DC on the
heaters, except for sensitive stages like a phono preamp.
The hum of my power amps is -80 dB with AC on the heaters.

DHT amps *must* use DC on all heaters, as is the case for over 40
years now.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message


"Arny Krueger" said:

Do tell us Arny, about the hum that accompanies vacuum
tubes.

Something about the fact that a lot of tubed equipment doesn't put
DC on all the heaters.

With indirectly heated tubes, there's no need for using DC on the
heaters, except for sensitive stages like a phono preamp.
The hum of my power amps is -80 dB with AC on the heaters.

Given that I frequently find SS power amps with all forms of noise including
hum 110 dB down, this seems like it could be a problem. Hum and noise in
power amps is more likely to be a problem than with say, a preamp, because
there is no volume control following the noise source in the power amp.
Therefore -80dB hum and noise referred to full output (say 20 dBW) is
effectively only -60 dB down when referred to a lower but common listening
level of 1 watt.

DHT amps *must* use DC on all heaters, as is the case for over 40
years now.

Because SS rectifiers and regulators are so common, so effective and so
cheap, it's hard to explain why a quality tubed amp wouldn't use DC filament
supplies on all tubes that pass audio. DC operation also extends the useful
life of tubes, as does effective voltage regulation.

I said


Any time you want to compare hearing acuity Arny say the word. Every
time I make the challenge you make excuses.

Arny said


Tell me what you can do in terms of resolving small differences in DBTs at
www.pcabx.com . More specifically, http://www.pcabx.com/training/index.htm
.

IOW you are still all talk and you don't want to take a hearing test and let
the results be known on RAO.

In article ,
Rich Andrews wrote:

Here is something that says that digital music digital is helpful.

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/...tail/0,6375,CN
TID%253D27100%2526CTID%253D%2526CNTYP%253DNEWS%252 6VNM%253DLIVE%2526LGFL%253DN
%2526AFLG%253DY,00.html


"MEADVILLE, PA (November 14, 2003) — The employee dissatisfaction,
burnout and rampant turnover that threaten one of America's most stress-prone
industries — long-term care — may have a solution in one of man's oldest
activities, according to a new scientific study. Researchers have found
that a specific Recreational Music-making (RMM) program drastically
reduced employee burnout and mood disturbances with huge projected economic
benefits for the long-term care industry."

"A groundbreaking study, funded by Yamaha Corporation of America with
participation by REMO and published in the Fall/Winter 2003 issue of
Advances in Mind-Body Medicine, demonstrates that a six-week program of
Recreational Music-making not only reduced burnout in long-term care workers,
but also reduced Total Mood Disturbance by 46 percent. Using industry-wide
human resources data, researchers projected that this improvement could
result in an 18.3 percent reduction in employee turnover, which would
save the average 100-bed facility more than $89,000 a year-and the entire
long-term care industry as much as $1.46 billion annually. Actual reductions
in turnover at Wesbury United Methodist Retirement Community, the center
where the study took place, exceeded the research projections."

"The study's protocol was based upon Group Empowerment
Drumming, coupled with exercises on a digital piano..."

I daresay the results don't depend on "digital music".

Stephen

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by
getting a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does
Arny's table..

There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.

How many db down does rumble have to be to
be inaudible?

Depends on its spectral content. However, the best turntable in the world
won't reduce well-known sources of low frequency noise in LPs, such as
"grain noise" and rumble from the cutting lathe.

Don't obfuscate. We're talking turntable rumble. Can turntable
induced rumble be below audible levels? We both know the answer is
yes.

ScottW

"ScottW" wrote in message
m
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by
getting a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does
Arny's table..

There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.

How many db down does rumble have to be to
be inaudible?

Depends on its spectral content. However, the best turntable in the
world won't reduce well-known sources of low frequency noise in LPs,
such as "grain noise" and rumble from the cutting lathe.

Don't obfuscate.

The prerequisite Middius dupe smart-ass, confrontory, meaningless posturing.

We're talking turntable rumble.

Which is difficult or impossible to audibly or measurably distinguish from
the other two sources.

Can turntable induced rumble be below audible levels?

Never ever heard such a thing in my life. Or rather, I never heard the
absence of some kind of low-frequency grinding noise while listening to
vinyl at listening levels that I prefer.

We both know the answer is yes.

Yeah, sure. Oh by the way, keep on believing them lies that Marc Phillips
tells you!

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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If one wants to remove audible rumble one can simply start by
getting a tuntable that doesn't suffer from this problem as does
Arny's table..

There ain't no such thing if you use a turntable instead of the
funny-sounding thing that sockpuppet wheel mentioned.

How many db down does rumble have to be to
be inaudible?

Depends on its spectral content. However, the best turntable in the
world won't reduce well-known sources of low frequency noise in LPs,
such as "grain noise" and rumble from the cutting lathe.

Don't obfuscate.

The prerequisite Middius dupe smart-ass, confrontory, meaningless
posturing.

We're talking turntable rumble.

Which is difficult or impossible to audibly or measurably distinguish
from
the other two sources.

Can turntable induced rumble be below audible levels?

Never ever heard such a thing in my life.
Or rather, I never heard the
absence of some kind of low-frequency grinding noise while listening to
vinyl at listening levels that I prefer.

You need to get some decent records.
Try www.classicrecords.com

ScottW