What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the clarity
of the reproduction?

Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called "silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty, you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't go
too far. Reign it in.

I'll answer your stupid question anyway, even though it was insincere,
your motivations were malicious, and your desire was to hold me up to
ridicule by "showing" how "dangerous" my suggestions are, and make the
point that none should be pursued, all should be dismissed. If you want
to be that ignorant, _be_ that ignorant. But in my book, note that
being purposefully malicious without direct provocation against you is
worse than being ignorant. First off, I don't read Tellig, probably
because I rarely ever read Stereophile, and I never tried his tweak.
But I do know, as you know, that the product eats through the
polycarbonate layer after some time, gets to the substrate and destroys
the readability of the disc. (I believe this was where I was supposed
to say "sure its a great tweak!", and you were supposed to hold me up
to ridicule and say "See folks! He was trying to steer all of us idjits
wrong all this here time! We would'a all had busted seedies if we'd a
listened to 'im! Cletus! Go fetch the stake! Lurlene... get some
matches! I think we got us a tweako freako effegy ta burn!").

Gosh, and you almost had me convinced that you were one of the very
rare "smart ones" on this group. Anyway, don't feel bad, I promise you
there will be no shortage of opportunities to mock and ridicule me,
along with your ignorant friends, so you can all feel better about your
ignorance. Just to show that I am not so deeply offended by your stupid
amateurish little con job, I will give you a free tweak for your CDs,
that won't ruin them. It's a RAO exclusive that you won't hear anywhere
else, because I recently invented it. Why would I share this advanced
idea with the ignorant swine of RAO, who have proven that they have no
clue as to what is and isn't valid in audio? That's for me to know and
you to find out... Now get a strong magnet (a good example is from an
old speaker driver). Place the north pole just above the label side of
the CD, turn it slowly clockwise a few times, over the entire surface
of the CD.

Mock away, mockingbirds....

Fella wrote:
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"See folks! He was trying to steer all of us idjits
wrong all this here time! We would'a all had busted seedies if we'd a
listened to 'im! Cletus! Go fetch the stake! Lurlene... get some
matches! I think we got us a tweako freako effegy ta burn!").

"busted seedies" .... "Lurlene" .... Man that was funny text. Like
I said Sound, you sure are one crackerjack slick of a penslinger. Very
good stuff.

Well, he did promise no shortage of material.
I must admit my lack of knowlege.
Not one of my loudspeakers has that third terminal
on the speaker for grounding. I've gone through all
the vendor's cut sheets and not one has it one them.
I must be purchasing the wrong brands.

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Fella wrote:

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"See folks! He was trying to steer all of us idjits
wrong all this here time! We would'a all had busted seedies if we'd a
listened to 'im! Cletus! Go fetch the stake! Lurlene... get some
matches! I think we got us a tweako freako effegy ta burn!").

"busted seedies" .... "Lurlene" .... Man that was funny text. Like
I said Sound, you sure are one crackerjack slick of a penslinger. Very
good stuff.


Well, he did promise no shortage of material.

Yes and his material is entertaining. Being a tweak enthusiast myself
(though I know that there is no end to "tweaking" and that at some point
you just have to stop... ;\ ) I remember how eagerly I read his very
first post for us "open minded" audiophiles as he was intentionally
jabbering on and on about open minds and audiophiles and the nature of
the changes gonna be takin place to highten the SUSPENCE and then when
he finally blurted out the tweak itself, ASPIRIN, PICTURE OF A FOUR
LEGGED ANIMAL!! what a BIG disappointment it was! But in retrospect I am
thinking that even that was good entertainment now. The man is some
comedian, you have to hand him that much. And lively, great, funny
english, good reading. There is some form of time-stretched burlesque
comedy and/or absurd point being made I think. We'll just have to wait
and see.

I must admit my lack of knowlege.
Not one of my loudspeakers has that third terminal
on the speaker for grounding.
I've gone through all
the vendor's cut sheets and not one has it one them.
I must be purchasing the wrong brands.


Hmmm.. The Tannoy Eyris 3 *does* have grounding conections... though I
am not sure if it is revolving on the same electrical principles as what
shp was going on about... ??

Fella wrote:



Hmmm.. The Tannoy Eyris 3 *does* have grounding conections... though I
am not sure if it is revolving on the same electrical principles as what
shp was going on about... ??

http://www.tannoy.com/Default.asp?Id=3855

Quote from the page: "unique bi-wire terminal panel, incorporating five
custom WBT™ terminals, provides the facility for drive unit earthing, or
grounding. This effectively reduces radio frequency interference within
the feed signal and ensures perfect separation between notes, greater
transparency and controls sibilance at higher frequencies."

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called "silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty, you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Fella wrote:
Fella wrote:



Hmmm.. The Tannoy Eyris 3 *does* have grounding conections... though I
am not sure if it is revolving on the same electrical principles as what
shp was going on about... ??

http://www.tannoy.com/Default.asp?Id=3855

Quote from the page: "unique bi-wire terminal panel, incorporating five
custom WBT™ terminals, provides the facility for drive unit earthing, or
grounding. This effectively reduces radio frequency interference within
the feed signal and ensures perfect separation between notes, greater
transparency and controls sibilance at higher frequencies."

That sounds like the marketing guys.
I looked at the manual and the connection diagrams.
I'd like to see how the x-over is configured since you
can jumper the terminals or run bi-amp.
The earthing feature is interesting, but doesn't actually
indicate where the connection is inside.
Shielding isn't very effective if the wires terminate outside
an unshielded enclosure, the ends are still exposed to RFI.
RFI is usually a source cable problem and amplified, or a
poor design issue at the circuit component level.
Price point usually is the deciding factor WMLE.

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called "silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty, you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.
I should add, that in any case, I was not going to personally criticize you.
I am enjoying the show, and perhaps too anxious for the Fourth of July

Robert Morein wrote:

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called "silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty, you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up? Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made. I'm
getting pretty good at this!

wrote:

Fella wrote:
wrote:

"See folks! He was trying to steer all of us idjits
wrong all this here time! We would'a all had busted seedies if we'd a
listened to 'im! Cletus! Go fetch the stake! Lurlene... get some
matches! I think we got us a tweako freako effegy ta burn!").

"busted seedies" .... "Lurlene" .... Man that was funny text. Like
I said Sound, you sure are one crackerjack slick of a penslinger. Very
good stuff.

Well, he did promise no shortage of material.
I must admit my lack of knowlege.

Oh. So you'd admit your ignorance about that, but not about everything
else you were stupidly ignorant about, including every single tweak I
ever posted, and just about everything you said about me or about
audio?

Fine. At least that's a start....

Not one of my loudspeakers has that third terminal
on the speaker for grounding. I've gone through all
the vendor's cut sheets and not one has it one them.
I must be purchasing the wrong brands.

Oh I get it now.... If you don't "personally" have experience or
knowledge of loudspeakers with an earthing terminal, then that must
mean they don't exist, hmm? What's THIS then:

http://www.audaud.com/audaud/OCT03/E...uip1OCT03.html

Not only do Tannoy's come with 5 jacks (biwiring + earthing), but I've
seen other manufacturers sell speakers with the grounding terminal
built in. LIke I already said in my Amazing Tweak no. 3 thread. Yet
I've never heard of anyone's amplfier's blowing up or people dying from
an explosion after hooking up a pair of Tannoy's. Certainly would be
the right pair of speakers to sue a company over, wouldn't it... Wonder
why the company never thought of that.

THIS PROVES MY POINT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR EQUALLY IGNORANT FRIENDS HE
If you don't have prior knowledge of something, you ridicule it or
dismiss it out of hand, without ever finding out if it may be valid.
Either by research or trial. You've not only done this with my speaker
grounding tweak, but with every other one I've posted. Wallow in your
ignorance, Wesface. It suits you well.

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THIS PROVES MY POINT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR EQUALLY IGNORANT FRIENDS HE
If you don't have prior knowledge of something, you ridicule it or
dismiss it out of hand, without ever finding out if it may be valid.
Either by research or trial. You've not only done this with my speaker
grounding tweak, but with every other one I've posted.

You mean like the "my amp sonuds better with the fuses removed" tweak
you posted in r.a.t., Bob?

//Walt

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The earthing feature is interesting, but doesn't actually
indicate where the connection is inside.


If I understand the Tannoy website correctly, the earthing connection
is made to the basket of the speakers.


Shielding isn't very effective if the wires terminate outside
an unshielded enclosure, the ends are still exposed to RFI.
RFI is usually a source cable problem and amplified, or a
poor design issue at the circuit component level.


The output of an amplifier can be regarded as an input RFI-wise, when
common-mode RFI supression isn't sufficient.
RFI is then able to travel via the loop feedback to the inverting
input of the amp's differential input stage, where it can wreak havoc.

So far, I have not seen many commercial amplifiers where this was done
right, including "pro-audio" types.

This can be easily demonstrated by holding a working cell phone in the
vicinity of the outputs of an amplifier.
Even before the rattling becomes audible, strange things have happened
inside the amp.

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

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Bob, you're getting lazy, pasting the same response over and over again.

Sounds like you're bored with this little project. Time to move on?

//Walt

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called "silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty, you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up? Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made. I'm
getting pretty good at this!

I can't swear that my intentions were all good. Yet there might have been
another side. And I'm enjoying this.
You now have my permission to call me an evil, nasty man.

Robert Morein wrote:

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called "silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty, you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up? Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made. I'm
getting pretty good at this!

I can't swear that my intentions were all good. Yet there might have been
another side. And I'm enjoying this.
You now have my permission to call me an evil, nasty man.

Well, I still don't know what your intentions were. Why don't you tell
me what your intentions were, so I know what to call you. e.g. Did you
know about the discs becoming defective from the armor-all?

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases
the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called
"silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So
WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty,
you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart
scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you
for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't
go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up? Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made. I'm
getting pretty good at this!

I can't swear that my intentions were all good. Yet there might have been
another side. And I'm enjoying this.
You now have my permission to call me an evil, nasty man.

Well, I still don't know what your intentions were. Why don't you tell
me what your intentions were, so I know what to call you. e.g. Did you
know about the discs becoming defective from the armor-all?

Yes, I did.

Robert Morein wrote:

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases
the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called
"silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So
WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty,
you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart
scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you
for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't
go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up? Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made. I'm
getting pretty good at this!

I can't swear that my intentions were all good. Yet there might have been
another side. And I'm enjoying this.
You now have my permission to call me an evil, nasty man.

Well, I still don't know what your intentions were. Why don't you tell
me what your intentions were, so I know what to call you. e.g. Did you
know about the discs becoming defective from the armor-all?

Yes, I did.

I knew it! I retract apology no. 2, because it wasn't a fair question
then, if you already knew the tweak was harmful. I do not advocate any
knowingly harmful tweaks, which is why I do not advocate anything I
have not tried myself, and know for myself it is safe and effective.
But since people on this group are afraid to even try new tweaks which
can not possibly do any harm (and take seconds to apply), the question
of trying tweaks that can possibly do harm is a moot point.

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases
the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called
"silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic? So
WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that, Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling McCarty,
you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart
scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help you
for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip: don't
go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up? Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made. I'm
getting pretty good at this!

I can't swear that my intentions were all good. Yet there might have been
another side. And I'm enjoying this.
You now have my permission to call me an evil, nasty man.

Well, I still don't know what your intentions were. Why don't you tell
me what your intentions were, so I know what to call you. e.g. Did you
know about the discs becoming defective from the armor-all?

Yes, I did.

I knew it! I retract apology no. 2, because it wasn't a fair question
then, if you already knew the tweak was harmful. I do not advocate any
knowingly harmful tweaks, which is why I do not advocate anything I
have not tried myself, and know for myself it is safe and effective.
But since people on this group are afraid to even try new tweaks which
can not possibly do any harm (and take seconds to apply), the question
of trying tweaks that can possibly do harm is a moot point.

So your saying your one of us?

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Robert Morein wrote:

What is your opinion of the tweak suggested by Sam Tellig, which
involves
spraying a CD with Armorall Protectant? Do you feel it increases
the
clarity
of the reproduction?

I thought you didn't want to be associated with these so-called
"silly
tweaks" Robert? Didn't you tell me you couldn't even talk about
the
ideologies associated with them, it's such a "hot potato" topic?
So
WHY
all of a sudden would you ask a stupid question like that,
Robert?
That's rhetorical btw. I already know why, and I'm disappointed
that
you would do this. Even after all these years of battling
McCarty,
you
didn't learn anything, because you really don't make a very smart
scam
artist. I don't know that you ever will, but I will try to help
you
for
the next time that you try to "get me", by giving you a tip:
don't
go
too far. Reign it in.

I'm sorry. I thought it was a fair question.

Oh. You mean you were actually serious, and you didn't know about
the
armor-all eating through the CDs and were't trying to set me up?
Well,
if that's the case then.... sorry for the rant! I guess that makes
Apology no. 2 on my behalf. And that's as many as I've _ever_ made.
I'm
getting pretty good at this!

I can't swear that my intentions were all good. Yet there might have
been
another side. And I'm enjoying this.
You now have my permission to call me an evil, nasty man.

Well, I still don't know what your intentions were. Why don't you tell
me what your intentions were, so I know what to call you. e.g. Did you
know about the discs becoming defective from the armor-all?

Yes, I did.

I knew it! I retract apology no. 2, because it wasn't a fair question
then, if you already knew the tweak was harmful. I do not advocate any
knowingly harmful tweaks, which is why I do not advocate anything I
have not tried myself, and know for myself it is safe and effective.
But since people on this group are afraid to even try new tweaks which
can not possibly do any harm (and take seconds to apply), the question
of trying tweaks that can possibly do harm is a moot point.

Understood, but please put to my credit that I saved you some possible
backlash from those owners of amps with floating outputs who might have
tried the grounding tweak.