http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

Schizoid Man a écrit :

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

This concerns Brits and socker...
....It's not European.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.

And I meant to put quotation marks around the term "Superbowl".

And finally, Bono wanted to "knock 'em dead" at this Super Bowl, but
won't be allowed to. I guess someone is making sure that you can make
statements like the one that you made, right?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

No. It is scorched onto my retina. Why didn't the Rolling Stones face jail
time?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

That's because they're so backward that nobody probably has a video camera
handy.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.

I know. I was just making a point. The World Cup is, however. And Britain
maintains a "soccer terrorist" list denying citizens the right to travel
abroad during these competitions. The same will apply this year in Portugal
for Euro 2004.

And unlike our friend Lionel who was spinning, the Brits aren't the only one
in on the action. The Irish, Turks, Italians and a few Germans.

Forget the World Cup or Super Bowl, it's common practice in Italy to bring
neo-Nazi flags and regalia to Serie A games. And for "fans" to taunt black
players, even if they're playing for the club that these alleged "fans" are
supporting.

And I meant to put quotation marks around the term "Superbowl".

And finally, Bono wanted to "knock 'em dead" at this Super Bowl, but
won't be allowed to. I guess someone is making sure that you can make
statements like the one that you made, right?

Ummm... he wanted to "knock 'em dead" with a song about AIDS? Was he talking
in metaphors? Of course he shouldn't. It's not the right time or place for
such a song.

What statement of mine are you referring to exactly?

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:07:58 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

No. It is scorched onto my retina. Why didn't the Rolling Stones face jail
time?

Because they didn't butcher anyone maybe?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

That's because they're so backward that nobody probably has a video camera
handy.

And what was your original point again?

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:14:25 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.

I know. I was just making a point.

Well, usually when one makes a "point", there's something behind it.

The World Cup is, however.

Well, next time someone is murdered at the final World Cup match,
you're free to bring it up as the end of Civilization As We Know It.

And Britain maintains a "soccer terrorist" list denying citizens the right to travel
abroad during these competitions. The same will apply this year in Portugal
for Euro 2004.

And yet, we are fingerprinting countless people who are visiting the
US. So what?

And unlike our friend Lionel who was spinning, the Brits aren't the only one
in on the action. The Irish, Turks, Italians and a few Germans.

Hell, a Mexican guy shot and killed the guy who lives across the
street from me. Now *that's* action, if you ask me. heck, 50% of the
people killed in your example were killed in this incident, which
happened days before Christmas. Should we be invading MexicO now?

Forget the World Cup or Super Bowl,

OK, so now we're supposed to forget your analogy.

it's common practice in Italy to bring neo-Nazi flags and regalia to Serie A games. And for "fans" to taunt black
players, even if they're playing for the club that these alleged "fans" are
supporting.

That's nothing. Have you ever seen the Black Hole in Oakland? Is
*that* Civilization As We Know It?

And I meant to put quotation marks around the term "Superbowl".

And finally, Bono wanted to "knock 'em dead" at this Super Bowl, but
won't be allowed to. I guess someone is making sure that you can make
statements like the one that you made, right?

Ummm... he wanted to "knock 'em dead" with a song about AIDS? Was he talking
in metaphors? Of course he shouldn't. It's not the right time or place for
such a song.

No, it was *my* phrase. I was just playing *your* game.

What statement of mine are you referring to exactly?

"At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl".

I thought that was pretty clear. Now, as to your point, it wasn't
nearly as clear. Your reply shows that you didn't think this one out
so well...

How does an act of fairly random murder have anything to do with
comparing cultures?

I remember when someone was making the same point using a German guy
who ate another human (literally ate him, mind you), all the time
forgetting that we had had the same sort of thing happen several times
over. The difference was that *our* cannibals ate multiple people.

You conservatives are really skewed...even those of you who live in
places like Austin.

Schizoid Man a écrit :

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.


I know. I was just making a point. The World Cup is, however. And Britain
maintains a "soccer terrorist" list denying citizens the right to travel
abroad during these competitions. The same will apply this year in Portugal
for Euro 2004.


How many different contries are involved in Super Bowl ?
How can you write "The world Cup is, however" ?

And unlike our friend Lionel who was spinning, the Brits aren't the only one
in on the action. The Irish, Turks, Italians and a few Germans.

I'm just answering to your troll and I push it along ! :-)
I insist... You see I was right because Frenchs aren't involved in
"soccer terrorist" behaviour.

Forget the World Cup or Super Bowl, it's common practice in Italy to bring
neo-Nazi flags and regalia to Serie A games. And for "fans" to taunt black
players, even if they're playing for the club that these alleged "fans" are
supporting.

European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.
I am sincerely interested in making a 100% embargo on American
entertainment market because it never fits the minimum quality
requierements and is often toxic and dangerous.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:30:13 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.

Yes, let's blame this on Vivendi.

Nasty French buggers chuckle.

"dave weil" wrote in message
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:14:25 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.

I know. I was just making a point.

Well, usually when one makes a "point", there's something behind it.

The World Cup is, however.

Well, next time someone is murdered at the final World Cup match,
you're free to bring it up as the end of Civilization As We Know It.

And Britain maintains a "soccer terrorist" list denying citizens the
right to travel
abroad during these competitions. The same will apply this year in
Portugal
for Euro 2004.

And yet, we are fingerprinting countless people who are visiting the
US. So what?

And unlike our friend Lionel who was spinning, the Brits aren't the only
one
in on the action. The Irish, Turks, Italians and a few Germans.

Hell, a Mexican guy shot and killed the guy who lives across the
street from me. Now *that's* action, if you ask me. heck, 50% of the
people killed in your example were killed in this incident, which
happened days before Christmas. Should we be invading MexicO now?

A really good friend of mine was murdered by a Latino in mid-July. No, we
shouldn't invade Mexico.


Forget the World Cup or Super Bowl,

OK, so now we're supposed to forget your analogy.

it's common practice in Italy to bring neo-Nazi flags and regalia to
Serie A games. And for "fans" to taunt black
players, even if they're playing for the club that these alleged "fans"
are
supporting.

That's nothing. Have you ever seen the Black Hole in Oakland? Is
*that* Civilization As We Know It?

And I meant to put quotation marks around the term "Superbowl".

And finally, Bono wanted to "knock 'em dead" at this Super Bowl, but
won't be allowed to. I guess someone is making sure that you can make
statements like the one that you made, right?

Ummm... he wanted to "knock 'em dead" with a song about AIDS? Was he
talking
in metaphors? Of course he shouldn't. It's not the right time or place
for
such a song.

No, it was *my* phrase. I was just playing *your* game.

What statement of mine are you referring to exactly?

"At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl".

I thought that was pretty clear. Now, as to your point, it wasn't
nearly as clear. Your reply shows that you didn't think this one out
so well...

How does an act of fairly random murder have anything to do with
comparing cultures?

I remember when someone was making the same point using a German guy
who ate another human (literally ate him, mind you), all the time
forgetting that we had had the same sort of thing happen several times
over. The difference was that *our* cannibals ate multiple people.

You conservatives are really skewed...even those of you who live in
places like Austin.

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political biases. I
am left of center on most issues.

Secondly, the point I was making was that spectators killing each other is
not common at NBA, NFL, MLB or even NHL games. And it is not uncommon in
Europe. Yet, we get continuously chastised for being a violent, gun-toting,
trigger-happy culture.

I was just making a point. We don't have Packers fans waving neo-Nazi flags
at Lambaugh Field.

"Lionel" wrote in message

Schizoid Man a écrit :

"dave weil" wrote in message


European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.
I am sincerely interested in making a 100% embargo on American
entertainment market because it never fits the minimum quality
requierements and is often toxic and dangerous.


Er, maybe Europeans watch too much American TV and movies because European
movies and TV sucks.

Hey, Le Pen, why don't you start this embargo this very second by ceasing to
use the Internet? Or did you think the World Wide Web was De Gaulle's
creation?

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:12:54 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:14:25 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:57 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

BTW, this wasn't the equivalent of the Super Bowl anyway.

I know. I was just making a point.

Well, usually when one makes a "point", there's something behind it.

The World Cup is, however.

Well, next time someone is murdered at the final World Cup match,
you're free to bring it up as the end of Civilization As We Know It.

And Britain maintains a "soccer terrorist" list denying citizens the
right to travel
abroad during these competitions. The same will apply this year in
Portugal
for Euro 2004.

And yet, we are fingerprinting countless people who are visiting the
US. So what?

And unlike our friend Lionel who was spinning, the Brits aren't the only
one
in on the action. The Irish, Turks, Italians and a few Germans.

Hell, a Mexican guy shot and killed the guy who lives across the
street from me. Now *that's* action, if you ask me. heck, 50% of the
people killed in your example were killed in this incident, which
happened days before Christmas. Should we be invading MexicO now?

A really good friend of mine was murdered by a Latino in mid-July. No, we
shouldn't invade Mexico.

Glad to hear it. Not the first part, but the second.

Forget the World Cup or Super Bowl,

OK, so now we're supposed to forget your analogy.

it's common practice in Italy to bring neo-Nazi flags and regalia to
Serie A games. And for "fans" to taunt black
players, even if they're playing for the club that these alleged "fans"
are
supporting.

That's nothing. Have you ever seen the Black Hole in Oakland? Is
*that* Civilization As We Know It?

And I meant to put quotation marks around the term "Superbowl".

And finally, Bono wanted to "knock 'em dead" at this Super Bowl, but
won't be allowed to. I guess someone is making sure that you can make
statements like the one that you made, right?

Ummm... he wanted to "knock 'em dead" with a song about AIDS? Was he
talking
in metaphors? Of course he shouldn't. It's not the right time or place
for
such a song.

No, it was *my* phrase. I was just playing *your* game.

What statement of mine are you referring to exactly?

"At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl".

I thought that was pretty clear. Now, as to your point, it wasn't
nearly as clear. Your reply shows that you didn't think this one out
so well...

How does an act of fairly random murder have anything to do with
comparing cultures?

I remember when someone was making the same point using a German guy
who ate another human (literally ate him, mind you), all the time
forgetting that we had had the same sort of thing happen several times
over. The difference was that *our* cannibals ate multiple people.

You conservatives are really skewed...even those of you who live in
places like Austin.

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political biases. I
am left of center on most issues.

So why are you posting such tripe?

Secondly, the point I was making was that spectators killing each other is
not common at NBA, NFL, MLB or even NHL games. And it is not uncommon in
Europe.

Sure it is. Considering the number of events and the number of
spectators, it's pretty "uncommon".

Yet, we get continuously chastised for being a violent, gun-toting,
trigger-happy culture.

Well, we are. There's no denying that. Just run the numbers and you'll
see.

I was just making a point. We don't have Packers fans waving neo-Nazi flags
at Lambaugh Field.

Once again - you haven't seen the Black Hole in Oakland? What do you
think *those* images say?

dave weil a écrit :

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:30:13 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.


Yes, let's blame this on Vivendi.

Straw men of the American's entertainment business.

Nasty French buggers chuckle.

Disgusting American brain eaters chuckle

Schizoid Man a écrit :

"Lionel" wrote in message


Schizoid Man a écrit :


"dave weil" wrote in message


European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.
I am sincerely interested in making a 100% embargo on American
entertainment market because it never fits the minimum quality
requierements and is often toxic and dangerous.



Er, maybe Europeans watch too much American TV and movies because European
movies and TV sucks.

This is what Columbian cocain dealers say about American way of life.

Hey, Le Pen, why don't you start this embargo this very second by ceasing to
use the Internet?

Since that politically I'm a little bit at the left of your left, the
nickname you gave me is not really appropriate. :-)

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:35:04 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:30:13 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.


Yes, let's blame this on Vivendi.

Straw men of the American's entertainment business.

Well, whose fault is that?

Nasty French buggers chuckle.

Disgusting American brain eaters chuckle

SLURP

gag Damn, didn't anyone wash this thing?

dave weil wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

And you have proof of Ray Lewis' guilt?

I'm sorry, no.


Have you forgotten Altamont already?

European rock band hires thuggish cycle gang for security detail...yer point?


At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

You think the soccer match wasn't televised?

Bet it was.

"Lionel" wrote in message

Schizoid Man a écrit :

"Lionel" wrote in message


Schizoid Man a écrit :


"dave weil" wrote in message


European watch too much American movies, serial film, news... on TV,
internet... and so they are more and more stupid.
I am sincerely interested in making a 100% embargo on American
entertainment market because it never fits the minimum quality
requierements and is often toxic and dangerous.



Er, maybe Europeans watch too much American TV and movies because
European
movies and TV sucks.

This is what Columbian cocain dealers say about American way of life.

Hey, Le Pen, why don't you start this embargo this very second by
ceasing to
use the Internet?

Since that politically I'm a little bit at the left of your left, the
nickname you gave me is not really appropriate. :-)

Really? Your staunch nationalism and firmament in all things French coupled
with your intrinsic hatred of all things American make you a demagogue. So
it doesn't really matter whether you're a member of Joerg Haider's Freedom
Party or the Red Light Brigade.

"dave weil" wrote in message

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political biases.
I
am left of center on most issues.

So why are you posting such tripe?

What tripe? All I said was that Europeans can be just as vulgar and crude as
we can. They are certainly no benchmark of civility to which we have to hold
up our own moral standards.

That being said, I still like Europe. I sure miss England - not the weather
or the plumbing. But I miss the Premiership, the local and sipping brew with
the lads.

Oh and by the way, I'm not an American citizen so even I got fingerprinted
when I came back last week.

On 19 Jan 2004 16:00:06 -0800, (pyjamarama)
wrote:

dave weil wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

And you have proof of Ray Lewis' guilt?

I'm sorry, no.

Did you miss the part where I said "He got off"? Guess you did.

Have you forgotten Altamont already?

European rock band hires thuggish cycle gang for security detail...yer point?

My point? That **** happens. Even in Ankara.

At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

You think the soccer match wasn't televised?

Bet it was.

So, you think you could see the stabbing? Bet you couldn't.

Schizoid Man a écrit :

Really? Your staunch nationalism and firmament in all things French coupled
with your intrinsic hatred of all things American make you a demagogue. So
it doesn't really matter whether you're a member of Joerg Haider's Freedom
Party or the Red Light Brigade.

Because I use to answer to all RAO's troll about France and French you
think that I'm a nationalist ?
Did I ever write that I hate USA ? I have worked for American companies
and met more kind guys than assholes.
Is America still surprised me ? Yes ! Because I am curious, when I am
surprised I'm also interested.
Sincerely, between you and me, may I don't answer to this stupid
anti-France propaganda coming from your hatemonger government relayed by
RAO's jingoistic assholes ?
I like France in the same way I hope you like the place where you're
living. Full point.
Your above reference to these terrorists parties is out of lin,
extravagant. :-(

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:13:51 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political biases.
I
am left of center on most issues.

So why are you posting such tripe?

What tripe? All I said was that Europeans can be just as vulgar and crude as
we can.

No sir, that's *not* what you said.

They are certainly no benchmark of civility to which we have to hold
up our own moral standards.

You take a single instance of murder in a country that's barely
considered European (it's just as much Asian as it is European) and
you extrapolate that this makes them barbaric. And yet, you ignore the
10,000 plus instances of Americans murdering other Americans with
guns.

That being said, I still like Europe.

Yeah, right.

I sure miss England - not the weather or the plumbing. But I miss the Premiership, the local and sipping brew with
the lads.

Wow, this really means that you are friendly with "foreign cultures".
snort

Oh and by the way, I'm not an American citizen so even I got fingerprinted
when I came back last week.

Maybe they should have shut the gates. After all, you probably look a
lot like the fellows that destroyed the World Trade Center, right?

"Lionel" wrote in message

Schizoid Man a écrit :

Really? Your staunch nationalism and firmament in all things French
coupled
with your intrinsic hatred of all things American make you a demagogue.
So
it doesn't really matter whether you're a member of Joerg Haider's
Freedom
Party or the Red Light Brigade.

Because I use to answer to all RAO's troll about France and French you
think that I'm a nationalist ?
Did I ever write that I hate USA ? I have worked for American companies
and met more kind guys than assholes.
Is America still surprised me ? Yes ! Because I am curious, when I am
surprised I'm also interested.
Sincerely, between you and me, may I don't answer to this stupid
anti-France propaganda coming from your hatemonger government relayed by
RAO's jingoistic assholes ?
I like France in the same way I hope you like the place where you're
living. Full point.
Your above reference to these terrorists parties is out of lin,
extravagant. :-(

Sorry, you are right. I came across as an ass with the above statement. I
apologize.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:13:51 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political
biases.
I
am left of center on most issues.

So why are you posting such tripe?

What tripe? All I said was that Europeans can be just as vulgar and crude
as
we can.

No sir, that's *not* what you said.

They are certainly no benchmark of civility to which we have to hold
up our own moral standards.

You take a single instance of murder in a country that's barely
considered European (it's just as much Asian as it is European) and
you extrapolate that this makes them barbaric. And yet, you ignore the
10,000 plus instances of Americans murdering other Americans with
guns.

What are you insinuating? That the Asian subculture is responsible for their
barbarism? Why has me highlighting a single, irrelevant incident of football
hooliganism got you into such a bind?

I agree. Perhaps I was exaggerating when I said that Europeans can be as
violent as Americans. America needs gun reform. No doubt about it.

That being said, I still like Europe.

Yeah, right.

If I didn't then I'd just dismiss it as a 'toilet' just like McKelvy and
Pyjamarama do so eloquently. snort.

I sure miss England - not the weather or the plumbing. But I miss the
Premiership, the local and sipping brew with
the lads.

Wow, this really means that you are friendly with "foreign cultures".
snort


Probably a lot more than you are, mate. I am not a xenophobe, I am not a
hatemonger. I am socially and politically very liberal. I've had the good
fortune of living in Africa, Europe, Asia and North America.

Oh and by the way, I'm not an American citizen so even I got
fingerprinted
when I came back last week.

Maybe they should have shut the gates. After all, you probably look a
lot like the fellows that destroyed the World Trade Center, right?

Your point being?

Schizoid Man a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message


Schizoid Man a écrit :


Really? Your staunch nationalism and firmament in all things French

coupled

with your intrinsic hatred of all things American make you a demagogue.

So

it doesn't really matter whether you're a member of Joerg Haider's

Freedom

Party or the Red Light Brigade.

Because I use to answer to all RAO's troll about France and French you
think that I'm a nationalist ?
Did I ever write that I hate USA ? I have worked for American companies
and met more kind guys than assholes.
Is America still surprised me ? Yes ! Because I am curious, when I am
surprised I'm also interested.
Sincerely, between you and me, may I don't answer to this stupid
anti-France propaganda coming from your hatemonger government relayed by
RAO's jingoistic assholes ?
I like France in the same way I hope you like the place where you're
living. Full point.
Your above reference to these terrorists parties is out of lin,
extravagant. :-(


Sorry, you are right. I came across as an ass with the above statement. I
apologize.

No more problem. ;-)

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:40:15 GMT, "Schizoid Man" wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:13:51 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message

Conservative? Firstly Dave, you are dead wrong about my political
biases.
I
am left of center on most issues.

So why are you posting such tripe?

What tripe? All I said was that Europeans can be just as vulgar and crude
as
we can.

No sir, that's *not* what you said.

They are certainly no benchmark of civility to which we have to hold
up our own moral standards.

You take a single instance of murder in a country that's barely
considered European (it's just as much Asian as it is European) and
you extrapolate that this makes them barbaric. And yet, you ignore the
10,000 plus instances of Americans murdering other Americans with
guns.

What are you insinuating? That the Asian subculture is responsible for their
barbarism? Why has me highlighting a single, irrelevant incident of football
hooliganism got you into such a bind?

I agree. Perhaps I was exaggerating when I said that Europeans can be as
violent as Americans. America needs gun reform. No doubt about it.

That being said, I still like Europe.

Yeah, right.

If I didn't then I'd just dismiss it as a 'toilet' just like McKelvy and
Pyjamarama do so eloquently. snort.

I sure miss England - not the weather or the plumbing. But I miss the
Premiership, the local and sipping brew with
the lads.

Wow, this really means that you are friendly with "foreign cultures".
snort


Probably a lot more than you are, mate. I am not a xenophobe, I am not a
hatemonger. I am socially and politically very liberal. I've had the good
fortune of living in Africa, Europe, Asia and North America.

Oh and by the way, I'm not an American citizen so even I got
fingerprinted
when I came back last week.

Maybe they should have shut the gates. After all, you probably look a
lot like the fellows that destroyed the World Trade Center, right?

Your point being?

My point, which covers pretty much everything in the above post and
your initial post is that you took a single instance of something that
happened almost in Asia (and well outside the mainstream of European
life) and made it sound like the whole culture was barbaric. Then you
made an analogy to a sporting event in the US that wasn't valid. Then
you used other examples to bolster your point and I showed you how
similar things are happening here in the US.

Your initial post seemed to me to be trying to stir up some hatred
shrug.

You tried to take the **** out of Europe, but you failed...

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Schizoid Man a écrit :

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

This concerns Brits and socker...
...It's not European.


the worst violence at football matches is on mainland Europe,
they tend to use knives and guns, where as in Britain its fists and feet.
at one of the matches where a British Clubs supporters got bad press for
violence,
it was a Spanish ! supporter who emptied a revolver into the crowd first,
I think he only fired blanks, but the message and intent was clear.
British People like Canadians dont shoot each other for fun.
regards malcolm

"The Artist" wrote in message
...
"Schizoid Man" emitted :

Secondly, the point I was making was that spectators killing each other
is
not common at NBA, NFL, MLB or even NHL games. And it is not uncommon in
Europe. Yet, we get continuously chastised for being a violent,
gun-toting,
trigger-happy culture.

That is a most naive conclusion. There is a well established
association between football/teams and political or thuggish factions
in many countries where the game is played, however 99 times out of
100 it's a family day out, and violence tends to be centered on the
people who seem to want to be involved in the receiving or giving end
of violence. I would suggest the number of people killed by accident
at football games (eg overcrowding) outweighs the number of
intentional deaths by several factors. C'mon.. football teams in the
UK can attract 50,000+ visitors per week, multiply that by N teams and
Y countries, and how many murders you got? Drop in the ocean. Maybe we
should draw an analogy with the predominantly USA orientated rap
culture? How many people have been shot at rap gigs?

OTOH the per thou' statistics regarding the murder rates in the USA
speak for themselves. It's just a heck of a lot more than most other
places.




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don't forget that the Roman chariot racing teams each had a colour and a
political party faction,
the Romans had real nasty violence at their games, not just the show, but
the audience,
Visting Teams and supporters caused major hassles in the Towns they visted
for the races.
At the Coliseum the crowd was allowed certain privileges such as criticising
Caesar,
but too far and they Praetorian Guard were sent or threatened to be sent in
to quell the crowd.
regards malcolm

"pyjamarama" wrote in message
...
dave weil wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0600, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...975890,00.html

At least we don't butcher each other at the Superbowl.

No, butchers just play *in* the Superbowl. Oh wait, Ray Lewis got off.
I'm sorry.

And you have proof of Ray Lewis' guilt?

I'm sorry, no.


Have you forgotten Altamont already?

European rock band hires thuggish cycle gang for security detail...yer
point?


At least they don't film stabbings over there, right?

You think the soccer match wasn't televised?

Bet it was.


the stabbings happened outside the stadium, day before or after the match,
the English supporters were drinking in the Pubs and Bars,
and they were being attacked by roving bands of thugs.
including Turkish Police.
British soccer violence these days is mostly alcohol fuelled screaming and
swearing,
the British Police dont allow much more to happen.
regards malcolm

"The Artist" wrote in message
...

What are ice hockey supporters like?

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