I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

Impossible to calculate due to the unknown amount of lurkers.

It's not likely that many of the regulars here have changed their minds
as they were already made up when they started, but Idue recall from
time to time here and on other boards seeing people comment favorably
on the usefulness of Arny's posts and his website

Unlike other non-usenet boards there is no way to know how many people
are online and how many people have looked at any given post.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Sometimes Arny would step into it with guys like JJ and Zelniker
and there would be some things to learn about audio bantered
back and forth.
Some of those discussions were highly technical and
difficult to always follow... but it was interesting and
sometimes revealing.

Those days are long gone.

ScottW

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"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message
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I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going
back at least eight years. Thousands and thousands of
'objectivist' posts by Mr. Krueger, nob, and others.

How does one search for "objectivist" posts?

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and
thousands of man hours, been to any effect?

The strongest effects of of my posts have been on me. I've had to put
together quite a bit of knowlege about audio, in order for me to make many
of those posts. In some cases these posts were made up of bits of audio that
I knew, but had not put together in a more logical way. In other cases, I
made posts by finding new bits of information, primarily by searching
google, and putting them together with what I already knew.

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they
think about audio based on what they've read here?

I've certainly changed my thinking about audio based on what I've posted
here.

Sometimes Arny would step into it with guys like JJ and Zelniker and
there would be some things to learn about audio bantered back and forth.

Actually Zelniker never really posted here very much, and most of those few
posts were highly uniformative. I just did a quick search with google and
came up with under 200 hits for RAO posts by Zelnicker. In contrast a simple
search for RAO posts by "jj" came up with almost 9,000 posts.

Some of those discussions were highly technical and
difficult to always follow... but it was interesting and
sometimes revealing.

Yup those were the days that there were actually posts about audio that had
relevant technical content. In contrast to those almost 9,000 posts by jj,
there are over 5,000 posts that mention "krooborg" and almost 9,000 posts
that mention "borg".

IOW RAO has been overrun with childish name-calling by the Middius and his
crowd.

Those days are long gone.

ScottW

I would say Krueger has on the whole made me more rather than less
subjectivist. He has to a good extent disproved his own case when his
statements are tested by listening.

Good example-hook any big solid state PA amp to an efficient speaker
in a quiet room and listen carefully. In a lot of cases, if you build
out an L-pad with series and parallel noininductive power resistors,
the sound improves! Two things happen when you do that, the damping
factor is less (it in fact goes to hell pretty quick) and moreover the
amplifier is working a lot harder as the energy goes into the
resistors. What I'm more-than-guessing is happening is the amp is being
forced into a much more linear region where it works fine. In pro
applications no one really gives a good goddamn what a 1000 watt amp
sounds like at 10 mW. Then people start talking about how bad these
products are, when they are good products, misapplied.

On the other hand the triode ****s and other coprophages are worse
than Arny. And their systems sound worse than his does, most probably.

IMO Arny needs to find another hobby where in his own estimation he
can do some good. Maybe he can build a better Segway or a better fuel
injection system for retrofit to old cars.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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IMO Arny needs to find another hobby where in his own estimation he
can do some good. Maybe he can build a better Segway or a better fuel
injection system for retrofit to old cars.


ASHTRAYS! He always has ashtrays.



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From: Arny Krueger
Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 6:21 pm
Email: "Arny Krueger"

How does one search for "objectivist" posts?

One doesn't. I didn't say that I had. What I said was I looked at posts
going back over eight years and saw hundreds and thousands of posts
from you, nob, and others. The ones that I looked from you and nob at
were just like the ones I see today, Mr. Krueger: generally angry, all
promoting the 'objectivist' viewpoint, and many that seemed to bash
preference.

I had no idea that you and nob have had a history of over eight years
here, so I became curious about the effect reached.

Yup those were the days that there were actually posts about audio that had
relevant technical content. In contrast to those almost 9,000 posts by jj,
there are over 5,000 posts that mention "krooborg" and almost 9,000 posts
that mention "borg".

IOW RAO has been overrun with childish name-calling by the Middius and his
crowd.

Just now I ran three searches. One with 'Arny Krueger' one with 'Arnold
Krueger' and another with just 'Arny' as authors on r.a.o only. The
former came up with 44,300 posts; the latter 74,100. Under the 'Arnold
Krueger' search, another 500+ posts show up. You may have used other
variations or nicknames that I did not run. From what I could see, you
did make a high percentage of the posts posts under each of those
names.

There were some posts that appeared to be forgeries though. So I would
estimate that on the very low side you have made at least 45,000 posts
to r.a.o. I think probably it's more likely to be 60,000 or more.

I also looked up 'George Middius' as the author on r.a.o. That search
showed 52,600 posts. I could see no other variations that looked like
the posts were his.

Even assuming that you've made only 45,000 posts to r.a.o., the
difference in volume between you and Mr. Middius is hardly
'overrunning' rec.audio.opinion, especially in relationship to your
posting quantity. I'd guess you and he were running probably closer to
1-1, or even more likely that you post more than he does.

Just comnparing with both of your posts, it would be equally truthful
to say that you've overrun r.a.o. It would probably be more truthful to
say that neither of you has.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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From: Arny Krueger
Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 6:21 pm
Email: "Arny Krueger"

How does one search for "objectivist" posts?

One doesn't. I didn't say that I had.

You implied that some kind of impartial study had taken place.

What I said was I
looked at posts going back over eight years and saw
hundreds and thousands of posts from you, nob, and
others.

False claim - google's highest estimate of how many posts I've made on RAO
is under 100,000.

The ones that I looked from you and nob at were
just like the ones I see today, Mr. Krueger: generally
angry, all promoting the 'objectivist' viewpoint, and
many that seemed to bash preference.

Inability to tell the difference between being angry and trying to hold a
bunch of abusers accountable for thieir childish behavior noted.

I had no idea that you and nob have had a history of over
eight years here, so I became curious about the effect
reached.

All things considered, the most logical thing for a person who can see past
the tremendous volume so-called subjectivist lies and false claims on RAO is
to go someplace else to express one's opinions. Given that there are any
number of audio forums where the rampant subjectivist misbehavior common on
RAO is disallowed, people seem to have gravitated to those places.

Yup those were the days that there were actually posts
about audio that had relevant technical content. In
contrast to those almost 9,000 posts by jj, there are
over 5,000 posts that mention "krooborg" and almost
9,000 posts that mention "borg".

IOW RAO has been overrun with childish name-calling by
the Middius and his crowd.

Just now I ran three searches. One with 'Arny Krueger'
one with 'Arnold Krueger' and another with just 'Arny' as
authors on r.a.o only. The former came up with 44,300
posts; the latter 74,100.

IOW, far less than the 100,000's you claimed above. Thanks for contradicting
yourself, again.

Under the 'Arnold Krueger'
search, another 500+ posts show up. You may have used
other variations or nicknames that I did not run. From
what I could see, you did make a high percentage of the
posts posts under each of those names.

There were some posts that appeared to be forgeries
though. So I would estimate that on the very low side you
have made at least 45,000 posts to r.a.o. I think
probably it's more likely to be 60,000 or more.

I also looked up 'George Middius' as the author on r.a.o.
That search showed 52,600 posts. I could see no other
variations that looked like the posts were his.

George used other nicknames including "Glanbrok". I can't remember them all
but in the early days they changed pretty frequently.

Even assuming that you've made only 45,000 posts to
r.a.o., the difference in volume between you and Mr.
Middius is hardly 'overrunning' rec.audio.opinion,
especially in relationship to your posting quantity. I'd
guess you and he were running probably closer to 1-1, or
even more likely that you post more than he does.

Let's put it this way - even his defenders can only remember a handful of
posts on RAO by Middius that could be called audio-related. Those 45,000 or
more posts by Middius were virtually all personal attacks. The vast
majority of those posts attacked me.

OTOH, my posts are predomiantely audio-related.

Just comnparing with both of your posts, it would be
equally truthful to say that you've overrun r.a.o. It
would probably be more truthful to say that neither of
you has.

It's true that I've overrun RAO with audio-related posts, which were
objectively true and based on orthodox audio technology. It's equally true
that Middius has overrun RAO with personal attacks.

From: Arny Krueger
Date: Mon, Mar 13 2006 6:29 am
Email: "Arny Krueger"

What I said was I
looked at posts going back over eight years and saw
hundreds and thousands of posts from you, nob, and
others.

False claim - google's highest estimate of how many posts I've made on RAO
is under 100,000.

Please note the difference between 'hundreds and thousands' and
'hundreds of thousands.' They do not mean the same thing. It may help
you to see that I have made no 'false claim.'

The ones that I looked from you and nob at were
just like the ones I see today, Mr. Krueger: generally
angry, all promoting the 'objectivist' viewpoint, and
many that seemed to bash preference.

Inability to tell the difference between being angry and trying to hold a
bunch of abusers accountable for thieir childish behavior noted.

IMO, there's a definite 'tone' to the majority of 'objectivist' posts
here. While yours may not be as angry as nob's, they have a distinct
edge, especially if someone disagrees with you.

I didn't notice in the FAQ that there was anyone officially responsible
here for 'holding' people 'accountable.'

Just now I ran three searches. One with 'Arny Krueger'
one with 'Arnold Krueger' and another with just 'Arny' as
authors on r.a.o only. The former came up with 44,300
posts; the latter 74,100.

IOW, far less than the 100,000's you claimed above. Thanks for contradicting
yourself, again.

No, 44,300 is indeed 'hundreds and thousands' of posts. Inability to
understand plain English noted.

I also looked up 'George Middius' as the author on r.a.o.
That search showed 52,600 posts. I could see no other
variations that looked like the posts were his.

George used other nicknames including "Glanbrok". I can't remember them all
but in the early days they changed pretty frequently.

I'd have no way of knowing that. From what I see today, I'd put you and
nob among the highest-volume posters here.

Even assuming that you've made only 45,000 posts to
r.a.o., the difference in volume between you and Mr.
Middius is hardly 'overrunning' rec.audio.opinion,
especially in relationship to your posting quantity. I'd
guess you and he were running probably closer to 1-1, or
even more likely that you post more than he does.

Let's put it this way - even his defenders can only remember a handful of
posts on RAO by Middius that could be called audio-related. Those 45,000 or
more posts by Middius were virtually all personal attacks. The vast
majority of those posts attacked me.

OTOH, my posts are predomiantely audio-related.

I don't doubt that. My question was not meant as a qualitative study on
posting content. My only question was if the massive volume of
audio-related posts from you, nob, and the other 'usual suspects' had
changed anyone's mind.

Just comnparing with both of your posts, it would be
equally truthful to say that you've overrun r.a.o. It
would probably be more truthful to say that neither of
you has.

It's true that I've overrun RAO with audio-related posts, which were
objectively true and based on orthodox audio technology. It's equally true
that Middius has overrun RAO with personal attacks.

Have either of you changed anybody's mind?

Just curious.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
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From: Arny Krueger
Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 6:21 pm
Email: "Arny Krueger"

How does one search for "objectivist" posts?

One doesn't. I didn't say that I had. What I said was I looked at posts
going back over eight years and saw hundreds and thousands of posts
from you, nob, and others. The ones that I looked from you and nob at
were just like the ones I see today, Mr. Krueger: generally angry, all
promoting the 'objectivist' viewpoint, and many that seemed to bash
preference.

I had no idea that you and nob have had a history of over eight years
here, so I became curious about the effect reached.

Yup those were the days that there were actually posts about audio that
had
relevant technical content. In contrast to those almost 9,000 posts by
jj,
there are over 5,000 posts that mention "krooborg" and almost 9,000 posts
that mention "borg".

IOW RAO has been overrun with childish name-calling by the Middius and his
crowd.

Just now I ran three searches. One with 'Arny Krueger' one with 'Arnold
Krueger' and another with just 'Arny' as authors on r.a.o only. The
former came up with 44,300 posts; the latter 74,100. Under the 'Arnold
Krueger' search, another 500+ posts show up. You may have used other
variations or nicknames that I did not run. From what I could see, you
did make a high percentage of the posts posts under each of those
names.

There were some posts that appeared to be forgeries though. So I would
estimate that on the very low side you have made at least 45,000 posts
to r.a.o. I think probably it's more likely to be 60,000 or more.

I also looked up 'George Middius' as the author on r.a.o. That search
showed 52,600 posts. I could see no other variations that looked like
the posts were his.

But George has haunted other newsgroups as well and spread his swinish
behavior to them as well.
Any non-moderated audio group that Arny particpates in, will generally have
George's idiot contributions as well. These are newsgroups that are far
over George's head, and his main purpose for posting is to harrass Arny, or
anyone who agrees with him on anything.

wrote in message


But George has haunted other newsgroups as well and
spread his swinish behavior to them as well.

George has stalked me to just a few groups. As I said before, he got shouted
down in several of them.

Any non-moderated audio group that Arny particpates in,
will generally have George's idiot contributions as well.

Only if georgeposts there under other names. I'm currently posting in about
18 groups, but only see George on RAO with any frequency.

These are newsgroups that are far over George's head,

Even RAO is over George's head, except for the wasteland he's turned it
into.

If you consider carefully, when was the last time that Atkinson made a
technical post here?

and his main purpose for posting is to harrass Arny, or
anyone who agrees with him on anything.

The vigor and number of George's postings has fallen off a lot.

George's act has regressed from the 9th grade level to the 5th grade level
over the years.

I think that not even George is stupid enough to keep posting in the groups
where he's been nailed and nailed hard for being his *sweet* self.

duh-Mikey shows why he's known far and wide as the stupidest Kroopologist in
the history of Usenet.

his main purpose for posting is to harrass Arny, or
anyone who agrees with him on anything.

Mickey, it's a proven fact that all of your ridiculous hangups about
"existence" and "reality" are complete nonsense. However, Krooger is much
more noxious than you are because he has a smattering of knowledge that
allows him to pollute many more threads than you do. If I had to choose just
one of you to drop dead tomorrow, it would be Arnii Kroofeces.

BTW, for about the millionth time, why is it none of you phoney Usenet
"scientists" has any first-hand knowledge of your beloved DBT rituals? We've
had some Real Audio Guys on RAO from time to time who do have genuine,
hands-on knowledge and experience with them. Two of them are Glenn Zelniker
and John Atkinson. Others may be Paul Bamborough and Paul Frindle, although
I can't remember with certainty. We Normals have great respect for all of
those guys, but you and the Krooborg hate and fear them. Just something for
you to think about, Mr. "scientist".

duh-Mikey shows why he's known far and wide as the stupidest Kroopologist
in the history of Usenet.

his main purpose for posting is to harrass Arny, or
anyone who agrees with him on anything.

Mickey, it's a proven fact that all of your ridiculous hangups about
"existence" and "reality" are complete nonsense. However, Krooger is much
more noxious than you are because he has a smattering of knowledge that
allows him to pollute many more threads than you do. If I had to choose
just one of you to drop dead tomorrow, it would be Arnii Kroofeces.

BTW, for about the millionth time, why is it none of you phoney Usenet
"scientists" has any first-hand knowledge of your beloved DBT rituals?
We've had some Real Audio Guys on RAO from time to time who do have
genuine, hands-on knowledge and experience with them. Two of them are
Glenn Zelniker and John Atkinson. Others may be Paul Bamborough and Paul
Frindle, although I can't remember with certainty. We Normals have great
respect for all of those guys, but you and the Krooborg hate and fear
them. Just something for you to think about, Mr. "scientist".

"ScottW" wrote in message
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"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Sometimes Arny would step into it with guys like JJ and Zelniker
and there would be some things to learn about audio bantered
back and forth.
Some of those discussions were highly technical and
difficult to always follow... but it was interesting and
sometimes revealing.

Those days are long gone.


And Middius is one of the main reasons.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

I don't think so.
I like to think I did my part in discrediting Arny in his bid to be the
top-dog r.a.o. authority.
I agree with others, however, that he possesses and offers much useful info.
It's unfortunate that it is combined with so many personal negatives.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

I visited AK a few years ago. I did his double-blind test and picked
everything out with 100% accuracy. I have a good ear, but the point is that
he has a good point about subjectivism vs. objectivism.

I was surprised at my aural acuity. However it stands to reason. Not that I
don't think that proper cabling and amplification would sound different, the
point of the exercise was to see if the difference in encoding schemes was
apparent, and it was, to the aforementioned 100% degree.

The question of the increasing importance of the smaller difference can only
be answered by experienced and moneyed listeners, which I am not, on both
counts. They have the years of listening and the wherewithal to audition
top-flight equipment, and I for one have not the time or money to be able to
listen to the best stuff. So it stands to reason that the people who do
reviews for a living would at least be taken seriously.

Now about comparisons: The scientific method is more about proving an
hypothesis wrong than anything else. If a person thinks a thing should sound
a certain way, it is their job to try and find out why it should *not* sound
that way. If the hypothesis can not be disproved, it becomes more robust.
After repeated testing and experimentation, the hypothesis can become more
robust, even to the point of being accepted as a law, even if it is not
necessarily a law, in strict terms.

Listen for yourself. That is the ultimate arbiter. I have found that the
clean, analog path is the path to audio nirvana (not perfection, which I
think is theoretically unattainable). If you hear more stuff you need to
hear with a certain setup, that is your peak performing system. What people
on the outside don't realize is that there is more at play in the audio
chain than simple cabinet equations and crossovers. Tone controls? Use them
sparingly. I sound like an Apple guy here, but I do think that there is a
place for tone controls for a distributed audience. Not for me, though, I
like flatness.

Everyone has different aural acuity, we all have different aural frequency
responses. This is a physical thing, not a mental one. Eardrums are pretty
resilient, but the inner ear system is somewhat fragile. So I would say the
tendency for manufacturers to tilt the treble up is understandable, because
lots of the target audience has diminished hearing in the 12k and up range.

So what is the point here....it is that you have to find what sounds good to
you, and you better be ready to spend some few hundred bucks at least to get
it- this is not some kid-friendly game here, this is about real, good, hi-fi
sound, most bang for your buck. Otherwise you can build your own system from
readily-available parts. Know how to solder? Great, discover Google. Get
into power supplies and transformers, get into all the minutia of Litz wire
and the physics that make it so good. Go nuts with routing and capacitive
coupling, go crazy with the very real effects of variable magnetic fields.

These are all concerns. Don't get me started on water cable.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:

I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!

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Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:

I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is.

Mr. Richard Graham, you have been discredited in this forum. You are a liar.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

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Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:

I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going
back at least eight years. Thousands and thousands of
'objectivist' posts by Mr. Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds
and thousands of man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they
think about audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day,
when I was just a wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled
extremist objectivist. Even more than Arny is.

Mr. Richard Graham, you have been discredited in this
forum. You are a liar.

I've reconsidered. I think that "liar" might be a little harsh. Let's go
with "fictionalist". ;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

I've reconsidered. I think that "liar" might be a little harsh. Let's go
with "fictionalist". ;-)


true, he is not in your class.



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wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:


I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a
pitiful silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck
up your butt.

TWEDDLE DUMMER


"Fella" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:


I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a pitiful
silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck up your
butt.

"Fella" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:


I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a pitiful
silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck up your
butt.

"Fella" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:


I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a pitiful
silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck up your
butt.

And that's wrong because........???? :-)

Fella ranted:

wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:


I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a
pitiful silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck
up your butt.

Nice kook rant. So... are you going to ever back up any of your
********, or simply remain the ignorant twit that you so clearly are?

wrote in message
oups.com...

Fella ranted:

wrote:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:


I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a
pitiful silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck
up your butt.

Nice kook rant. So... are you going to ever back up any of your
********, or simply remain the ignorant twit that you so clearly are?

I vote for the second one.

wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Fella ranted:


wrote:

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:



I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...


I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!


Troll BE GONE!

This post is almost proof that this is some borg posing as an extreme
audio subjectivist crackpot. The message to be derived from the text
above: If you abandon the objectivist abxism religion you become a
pitiful silly subjectivist crackpot troll with a $200 green marker stuck
up your butt.

Nice kook rant. So... are you going to ever back up any of your
********, or simply remain the ignorant twit that you so clearly are?


I vote for the second one.



Yet another piece of proof that shp is a piece of twisted borg;
duh!mikey aligns himself with him against me.

TWEEDLE DUM


wrote in message
ups.com...

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:

I'm just curious. I just did a search of r.a.o. going back at least
eight years. Thousands and thousands of 'objectivist' posts by Mr.
Krueger, nob, and others.

Have these thousands of posts, representing hundreds and thousands of
man hours, been to any effect?

Has anyone ever actually changed their mind on how they think about
audio based on what they've read here?

Just curious...

I did. I used to read Arny back way back in the day, when I was just a
wee little lurker. I was a hard-boiled extremist objectivist. Even more
than Arny is. ABX was my religion, and I practiced it every day. You
couldn't convince me that ANYTHING sounded ANY different from ANYTHING
else in audio. Even loudspeakers all sounded the same, where I was
concerned. But after taking in a gutfull of Arny Krueger, he sickened
me so much, that I renounced the religion of objectivism, and smashed
my ABX comparator box with a mallet.

I even tore down my picture of sexy Dave Carlstrom, and today, as most
people know me, I'm an alternative audio guru. I always maintain an
even number of cd's in my collection, I cross out the bar codes in my
cd cases with a "specially treated" $150 red marker, and I park my car
in the same place and the same direction every day. All to ensure good
sound from my home audio. And I'm happy to report, the sound I'm
getting off my hifi kit has NEVER been better in all my days. So thank
you, Arny Krueger!