I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the program is
not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or capture
it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a conventional
CD player.

Suggestions?

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the program
is
not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture
it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional
CD player.

Suggestions?



Winamp and its assorted plug-ins might do the trick

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit track and
index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An ordinary
..wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is supported by the .wav
file standard) or in a companion file, would do the job.

CoolEdit Pro and Adobe Audition are examples of a programs that do this.
They provide means for adding the indices and markers, and they also provide
means for navigating the sound file by means of them. I suspect that
SoundForge and a few other programs like Wavelab do this as well. Other
programs like Nero's simple little editor might do this as well.

The most common *real world* application of this technology is listening to
recordings of live performances or recordings like them (continuous sound
between tracks) with track and index markers for quickly navigating the
various parts of the performance.

I have a number of recordings on my hard drive that I set up this way, but I
haven't investigated with ripping programs and other audio editors exploit
them.

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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit track and
index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An ordinary
.wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is supported by the
..wav
file standard) or in a companion file, would do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a time-consuming
editing process that simply isn't feasible for my massive collection of
CD's.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit track
and
index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An ordinary
.wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is supported by the
.wav
file standard) or in a companion file, would do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a
time-consuming
editing process that simply isn't feasible for my massive collection of
CD's.



Audiograbber has silence detection and auto track creation, try that.
you can download a free version that works.
and it rip to either wav or MP3 (direct or via a wav)
and can use assorted internal and external codecs too.
it does a digital CDDA rip so no sound card path.
it has line in sampling with track detection.
http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/
just checked out the site and it becomes freeware with no restriction on feb
9th 2004.
and works nicely.
regards malcolm

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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit track
and
index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An ordinary
.wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is supported by the
.wav
file standard) or in a companion file, would do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a
time-consuming
editing process that simply isn't feasible for my massive collection of
CD's.



October 6: Audiograbber 1.82 beta 1 released!
This new version has a fix to deal with CD's with corrupted tracklists.
sounds like it handles the new copy protected non 'CDDA' CDs out there too.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit
track and index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An
ordinary .wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is
supported by the .wav file standard) or in a companion file, would
do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a
time-consuming editing process that simply isn't feasible for my
massive collection of CD's.

Audiograbber has silence detection and auto track creation, try that.

I don't think that is what Morein is looking for.

I suspect that the last thing that he wants, is to see certain CDs broken up
into multiple .wav files.

How familiar are you with cue sheets, and track and index markers?

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD, or
capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit
track and index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An
ordinary .wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is
supported by the .wav file standard) or in a companion file, would
do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a
time-consuming editing process that simply isn't feasible for my
massive collection of CD's.

Audiograbber has silence detection and auto track creation, try that.

I don't think that is what Morein is looking for.

I suspect that the last thing that he wants, is to see certain CDs broken
up
into multiple .wav files.

How familiar are you with cue sheets, and track and index markers?

Arny, you are correct in your perception of my desires.
The problem is quantity.
If I were authoring original material, I would have no difficulty creating
the necessary markers. It's not very different from the process of authoring
a DVD with chapter points.

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build a bridge
out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to use a computer as an
audio jukebox. A commercial package would capture the CD in one step, and
frankly, I don't care what the internal representation is. It just so
happens that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a disk
image.

A further enhancement would be the ability to scan in cover art and
associate it with the CD in question.

As Arny would probably observe, the concept of the "album" has largely been
supplanted in the minds of the public with personalized creation of
playlists. This makes it no less important to those of us who believe that
the album concept is part of the artistic creation; the tracks that compose
it are the ebb and flow that the artist wishes to convey. I have never been
attracted to personalized playlists; songs do not serve me as mantras, but
rather, as experiences.

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"malcolm" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD,
or capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit
track and index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An
ordinary .wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is
supported by the .wav file standard) or in a companion file, would
do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a
time-consuming editing process that simply isn't feasible for my
massive collection of CD's.

Audiograbber has silence detection and auto track creation, try
that.

I don't think that is what Morein is looking for.

I suspect that the last thing that he wants, is to see certain CDs
broken up into multiple .wav files.

How familiar are you with cue sheets, and track and index markers?

Arny, you are correct in your perception of my desires.
The problem is quantity.

If I were authoring original material, I would have no difficulty
creating the necessary markers. It's not very different from the
process of authoring a DVD with chapter points.

Right. However, it seems to me that a proper DAE program (CD ripper) would
have a mode of operation where track and index markers (i.e., cue sheets)
were rebuilt. There's no lack of CD burning software that honors cue sheets,
but I can't find any CD rippers that rebuild them. This is ironic, because
the list of software that honors cue sheets when burning, includes some very
popular and highly-regarded rippers.

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build a
bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to use a
computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial package would capture the
CD in one step, and frankly, I don't care what the internal
representation is. It just so happens that CD burner programs
universally have an option to save a disk image.

Right. What most people do today is IME some kind of a kluge.

A further enhancement would be the ability to scan in cover art and
associate it with the CD in question.

I believe that is done,

As Arny would probably observe, the concept of the "album" has
largely been supplanted in the minds of the public with personalized
creation of playlists. This makes it no less important to those of us
who believe that the album concept is part of the artistic creation;
the tracks that compose it are the ebb and flow that the artist
wishes to convey. I have never been attracted to personalized
playlists; songs do not serve me as mantras, but rather, as
experiences.

That's your preference, and frankly it seems to me like a widely-held and
perfectly reasonable preference. The technology and conventions to support
it are there. Nobody seems to have built a critical component that is
required, which is the DAE program that automatically rebuilds cue sheets.
It does not seem like rocket science.

"The Artist" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build a
bridge
out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to use a computer as
an
audio jukebox. A commercial package would capture the CD in one step, and
frankly, I don't care what the internal representation is. It just so
happens that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a disk
image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard drive
with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want covers?
Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What program do you suggest?

"The Artist" wrote in message

"Robert Morein" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build
a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to
use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial package would
capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't care what the
internal representation is. It just so happens that CD burner
programs universally have an option to save a disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use a
thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both are
quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

"The Artist" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to
build a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of
effort, to use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial
package would capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't
care what the internal representation is. It just so happens
that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a
disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use a
thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both are
quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

That is not compulsory.

Obviously, your grasp of the thread leaves something to be desired, Dormer.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I took a look at Arny Krueger's suggestion to use Itunes, but the
program is not set up to do what I want.

I want to copy onto the hard drive the entire ISO image of a CD,
or capture it in another format, but in a one-step operation.

I want to play the result using player controls that resemble a
conventional CD player.

Suggestions?

I think that what you *really* want to do is be able to exploit
track and index markers when you play back a ripped CD.

If that's true, then you don't need to work with ISO images. An
ordinary .wav file with track and index info imbedded (this is
supported by the .wav file standard) or in a companion file, would
do the job.

This is a step in the right direction. However, it requires a
time-consuming editing process that simply isn't feasible for my
massive collection of CD's.

Audiograbber has silence detection and auto track creation, try
that.

I don't think that is what Morein is looking for.

I suspect that the last thing that he wants, is to see certain CDs
broken up into multiple .wav files.

How familiar are you with cue sheets, and track and index markers?

Arny, you are correct in your perception of my desires.
The problem is quantity.

If I were authoring original material, I would have no difficulty
creating the necessary markers. It's not very different from the
process of authoring a DVD with chapter points.

Right. However, it seems to me that a proper DAE program (CD ripper) would
have a mode of operation where track and index markers (i.e., cue sheets)
were rebuilt. There's no lack of CD burning software that honors cue
sheets,
but I can't find any CD rippers that rebuild them. This is ironic, because
the list of software that honors cue sheets when burning, includes some
very
popular and highly-regarded rippers.

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build a
bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to use a
computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial package would capture the
CD in one step, and frankly, I don't care what the internal
representation is. It just so happens that CD burner programs
universally have an option to save a disk image.

Right. What most people do today is IME some kind of a kluge.

A further enhancement would be the ability to scan in cover art and
associate it with the CD in question.

I believe that is done,

As Arny would probably observe, the concept of the "album" has
largely been supplanted in the minds of the public with personalized
creation of playlists. This makes it no less important to those of us
who believe that the album concept is part of the artistic creation;
the tracks that compose it are the ebb and flow that the artist
wishes to convey. I have never been attracted to personalized
playlists; songs do not serve me as mantras, but rather, as
experiences.

That's your preference, and frankly it seems to me like a widely-held and
perfectly reasonable preference. The technology and conventions to support
it are there. Nobody seems to have built a critical component that is
required, which is the DAE program that automatically rebuilds cue sheets.
It does not seem like rocket science.



I would try Audiograbber, the demo one works, and it becomes fully
functional in a few weeks,
small to download and works very nicely. its by the same person who wrote
Audio Catalyst.

also Winamp has shed loads of plug-ins that can do almost anything too,
including ripping,
Winamp look simple on the surface, but is deep, and one of the originals
that everyone copied badly IMHO.

regards malcolm

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"The Artist" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build a
bridge
out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to use a computer
as
an
audio jukebox. A commercial package would capture the CD in one step,
and
frankly, I don't care what the internal representation is. It just so
happens that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a
disk
image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard drive
with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want covers?
Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What program do you suggest?



AUDIOGRABBER

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"The Artist" wrote in message

"Robert Morein" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to build
a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of effort, to
use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial package would
capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't care what the
internal representation is. It just so happens that CD burner
programs universally have an option to save a disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use a
thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both are
quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?



Audiograbber

"malcolm" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"The Artist" wrote in message


"Robert Morein" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to
build a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of
effort, to use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial
package would capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't
care what the internal representation is. It just so happens
that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a
disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What's missing is the power and flexibility of CD cue sheets.

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use a
thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both are
quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

Audiograbber

Please help me here, where on http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/faq.html
can I find the cue sheet feature described?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"The Artist" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to
build a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of
effort, to use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial
package would capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't
care what the internal representation is. It just so happens
that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a
disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use a
thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both are
quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

That is not compulsory.

Obviously, your grasp of the thread leaves something to be desired,
Dormer.

Arny is correct.

The problem is how to load a reasonable fraction of 2000 CDs into a computer
with effort that per CD, is no more than casual. The intended solution must
fit the needs of someone who is not taxonomic or obsessive.

A musicologist, academician, or someone obsessed with organizing might be
amenable to more detail work.

"The Artist" wrote in message

"Robert Morein" emitted :

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

That is not compulsory.

Obviously, your grasp of the thread leaves something to be desired,
Dormer.

Arny is correct.

Why? What do you need cue lists for? What's up with just stuffing each
album into a folder with your cover scan and playing the tracks in
sequence?

That's fine for people who don't know about index marks. It's also a kluge
because you have to keep switching between delays between tracks and no
delays between tracks.

I find this to be wonderfully ironic - Dormer rants and raves about
professional tools and then he blows off one of the more significant
hallmarks of professional CD management software - cue lists.

The problem is how to load a reasonable fraction of 2000 CDs into a
computer with effort that per CD, is no more than casual. The
intended solution must fit the needs of someone who is not taxonomic
or obsessive.

Just friggin' copy them and stop moaning.

As usual, the subtleties of the situation are totally lost on Dormer.

"The Artist" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

Why? What do you need cue lists for? What's up with just stuffing
each album into a folder with your cover scan and playing the
tracks in sequence?

That's fine for people who don't know about index marks.

Oh.. index marks. Forgot about them. Out of the 4-5,000 CD's I have,
can't say I've ever encountered any. Well.. maybe once.

It's also a kluge
because you have to keep switching between delays between tracks and
no delays between tracks.

Just tack the silence on the end or trim it off with the ripping
software option.

That runs against the following common requirement:

"...how to load a reasonable fraction of 2000 CDs into a computer with
effort that per CD, is no more than casual."

I find this to be wonderfully ironic - Dormer rants and raves about
professional tools and then he blows off one of the more significant
hallmarks of professional CD management software - cue lists.

"Professional" CD management? For a home jukebox?

If you follow the argument, the cost of implementing this feature would be
minimal. The track and index markers are obviously on the CD. It's just a
matter of putting this info into the output file.

Have you looked at Media Jukebox? You can rip+encode in many
different formats, including some that are lossless. Plus it will
automatically download cover art, and there are auto-ripping
capabilities where you just keep feeding the audio cd's with no
interaction needed except to push the cd eject button. And check out
the mini-me gui under View mini-me for a simplified interface
(otherwise because it is very powerful and flexible it can be
intimidating to a beginner/novice, but at my mid-advance level I love
it ... There is a free version to try.

http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/

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"The Artist" wrote in message


"Robert Morein" emitted :

However, this is not original material. The object is not to
build a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of
effort, to use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial
package would capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't
care what the internal representation is. It just so happens
that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a
disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What's missing is the power and flexibility of CD cue sheets.

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use a
thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both are
quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

Audiograbber

Please help me here, where on http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/faq.html
can I find the cue sheet feature described?



Tracknames and times are saved in plain textfiles with the extension .Nam
for tracknames and .Tim for times. The filename for auto loaded tracknames
is "Auto.Nam" and for auto loaded times "Auto.Tim".

"Markeau" wrote in message
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Have you looked at Media Jukebox? You can rip+encode in many
different formats, including some that are lossless. Plus it will
automatically download cover art, and there are auto-ripping
capabilities where you just keep feeding the audio cd's with no
interaction needed except to push the cd eject button. And check out
the mini-me gui under View mini-me for a simplified interface
(otherwise because it is very powerful and flexible it can be
intimidating to a beginner/novice, but at my mid-advance level I love
it ... There is a free version to try.

http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/




sounds like an Audiograbber clone

Internal encoders
Audiograbber does not come with any MP3 encoder of its own but it can use
some other encoders. It is recommended that you download and install LAME's
freeware MP3 encoder dll and use that one with Audiograbber. LAME is fast
and gives very good sounding MP3 files.
Download LAME's MP3 dll from
http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html or http://mitiok.cjb.net.
Unzip the lame_enc.dll to the same directory as audiograbber.exe and you
will have an internal MP3 encoder that goes all the way up to 320 Kbit/s in
Audiograbber.

LAME's official homepage is at http://www.mp3dev.org

Another good encoder that works good with Audiograbber is BladeEnc. This
encoder is also freeware so it won't cost you a dime. It is far from as fast
as Xing's encoder but many people thinks this encoder produces better sound
quality.
http://bladeenc.mp3.no

Other encoders that are supported internally by Audiograbber are Fraunhofers
MP3 acm codecs and Qdesigns MP2 acm codec. Audiograbber is distributed with
LibVorbis.dll so it can make OGG files for you. Microsofts Windows Media
Audio V2 is also supported (which gets installed if you install Winamp).
Finally and last SONY's ATRAC3 acm codec is supported and you can get that
one from http://www.minidisc.org/atrac3.zip. Info on ATRAC3 can be found at
http://www.minidisc.org.

External encoders

Xing technology has made a very fast MP3 encoder that works good as external
codec in Audiograbber. You must have their registered version and use
x3enc.exe as external encoder (x3enc.exe does currently not come with their
trial version). It cost however only $19.95 to register (27 September 2000).
http://www.xingtech.com/products/mp3encoder/

GOGO MP3 encoder (freeware): This one is based on LAME's sourcecode and it
has been optimized for speed. Homepage
http://homepage1.nifty.com/herumi/gogo_e.html Download:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/herumi/so...35-win-con.zip

MP3Enc: Fraunhofers new standalone encoder, slow and expensive ($199!) but
with good sound quality. http://www.opticom.de
.. Download a demo version from
http://www.sonicspot.com/mp3enc/mp3e..._3_1_win32.zip

Fraunhofers L3enc was previously used to create MP3's. It can no longer be
downloaded from http://www.iis.fhg.de/audio but I keep the link here for
nostalgic reasons.

Monkey's Audio (freeware). This is another interesting format that differs
from the others in the way that it is lossless compression. Lossless means
that a file can be encoded and decoded back without losing quality, just
like the .zip format. MP3 is lossy compression which means that some data is
lost during encoding and it can never be fully restored. Lossless will of
course not compress as much as lossy but Monkey's Audio compress the file by
around 50%. And with Monkey's Audio you will not have to worry/listen for
artifacts in the song. There are simply no artifacts since what you hear is
identical to the original wav file. You can encode and decode as much as you
want without losing quality! http://www.monkeysaudio.com. (Set to Mac.exe as
external encoder in Audiograbber).

FAAC (freeware). This encoder makes AAC (Advanced Audio Compression) files.
http://faac.sourceforge.net.

MPG+. http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user...coder_eng.html.

There has also been a general Encoder plugin released by Alexander von
Gostomski. With his plugin you can use both AAC, VQF and a Real Audio
encoder! The homepage has unfortunately vanished but the plugin can still be
found he

http://www.audiogalaxy.com/software/...ep_plugins.zip

You can also check out http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net and see if there
are any new encoders available.

Miscellaneous

Cool Edit is one of the best programs for general editing of audio files and
it can be found he http://www.syntrillium.com/

Winamp is a good MP3 player. http://www.winamp.com/

MuzicMan is a good MP3 player and organizer. http://www.muzicman.com/

Helium is a good ID3 tagger program which lets you edit and view ID3 tags.
http://www.intermedia.st/helium/

DR. Tag is another good ID3 tagger. http://www.asterius.org/

You will find some useful karaoke links on the karaoke page in this
helpfile.

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However, this is not original material. The object is not to
build a bridge out of matchsticks, but, with an economy of
effort, to use a computer as an audio jukebox. A commercial
package would capture the CD in one step, and frankly, I don't
care what the internal representation is. It just so happens
that CD burner programs universally have an option to save a
disk image.

I don't see what the big deal is. Just rip the CD's to your hard
drive with a suitable program. Couple of clicks per CD. You want
covers? Scan 'em. What's the problem?

What's missing is the power and flexibility of CD cue sheets.

What program do you suggest?

Take your pick, there are dozens of alternatives. I sometimes use
a thing called WinDAC for ripping. Canon 3200F for scanning. Both
are quick, simple and easy to use.

Which of them automatically build cue lists from the CDs they rip?

Audiograbber

Please help me here, where on
http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/faq.html can I find the cue sheet
feature described?



Tracknames and times are saved in plain textfiles with the extension
.Nam for tracknames and .Tim for times. The filename for auto loaded
tracknames is "Auto.Nam" and for auto loaded times "Auto.Tim".

Now I'm really ****ed. This is probably about 100 lines of code away from
being a facility for putting a cue sheet of tracks into the .wav file.

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Have you looked at Media Jukebox? You can rip+encode in many
different formats, including some that are lossless. Plus it will
automatically download cover art, and there are auto-ripping
capabilities where you just keep feeding the audio cd's with no
interaction needed except to push the cd eject button. And check out
the mini-me gui under View mini-me for a simplified interface
(otherwise because it is very powerful and flexible it can be
intimidating to a beginner/novice, but at my mid-advance level I love
it ... There is a free version to try.

http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/

My interests are rather specialized toward typical audiophile preferences:

1. I am interested in only one format, CD Redbook
2. I want the full functionality of the CDs in the ripped images, or wav
files, or whatever it stores on the hard disk.

Do you know for a fact it will do this?

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

My interests are rather specialized toward typical audiophile
preferences:

1. I am interested in only one format, CD Redbook
2. I want the full functionality of the CDs in the ripped images, or
wav files, or whatever it stores on the hard disk.

Do you know for a fact it will do this?

It will rip to uncompressed wav files. You might ask your exact
questions on their Media Center forum - the JRiver CEO (JimH) and
development engineers and other users monitor and respond to
questions, comments and requests, it's a very high quality and
responsive organization. Even if their product may not fit your
needs, you may find leads to others that may.

Link to Media Center forum:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3

Link to all their forums:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/

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Why? What do you need cue lists for? What's up with just
stuffing each album into a folder with your cover scan
and playing the tracks in sequence?

That's fine for people who don't know about index marks.

Oh.. index marks. Forgot about them. Out of the 4-5,000
CD's I have, can't say I've ever encountered any. Well..
maybe once.

It's also a kluge
because you have to keep switching between delays between
tracks and no delays between tracks.

Just tack the silence on the end or trim it off with the
ripping software option.

That runs against the following common requirement:

"...how to load a reasonable fraction of 2000 CDs into a
computer with effort that per CD, is no more than casual."


I find this to be wonderfully ironic - Dormer rants and
raves about professional tools and then he blows off one
of the more significant hallmarks of professional CD
management software - cue lists.

"Professional" CD management? For a home jukebox?

If you follow the argument, the cost of implementing this
feature would be minimal. The track and index markers are
obviously on the CD. It's just a matter of putting this
info into the output file.


You might want to look into FLAC (lossless) format. FLAC
supports embedded cue sheets and other metadata like album
cover graphics. You can "rip" a CD to a single FLAC file and
use the cue sheet for playback.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/features.html

FLAC is also an "open source" software ! :-)

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If you follow the argument, the cost of implementing this
feature would be minimal. The track and index markers are
obviously on the CD. It's just a matter of putting this
info into the output file.

You might want to look into FLAC (lossless) format. FLAC
supports embedded cue sheets and other metadata like album
cover graphics. You can "rip" a CD to a single FLAC file and
use the cue sheet for playback.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/features.html

Neat. That makes FLAC a capable means for storing .wav files.

Now to find the ripper that goes with FLAC and wav files and re-creates the
cue sheet.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in
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If you follow the argument, the cost of implementing this
feature would be minimal. The track and index markers are
obviously on the CD. It's just a matter of putting this
info into the output file.

You might want to look into FLAC (lossless) format. FLAC
supports embedded cue sheets and other metadata like album
cover graphics. You can "rip" a CD to a single FLAC file and
use the cue sheet for playback.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/features.html

Neat. That makes FLAC a capable means for storing .wav files.

Now to find the ripper that goes with FLAC and wav files and
re-creates the cue sheet.

Guess what! The ripper that rips TO a single .wav file with separate cue
sheet is our old friend Exact Audio Copy.

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

However, EAC doesn't seem to put the cue sheet into the .wav file. To do
that, you need little piece of freeware called CueListTool.

http://www.stefanbion.de/cueltool/index_e.htm

Only takes a second to add the cue sheet, and then you are ready to play...

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in
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If you follow the argument, the cost of implementing this
feature would be minimal. The track and index markers are
obviously on the CD. It's just a matter of putting this
info into the output file.

You might want to look into FLAC (lossless) format. FLAC
supports embedded cue sheets and other metadata like album
cover graphics. You can "rip" a CD to a single FLAC file and
use the cue sheet for playback.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/features.html

Neat. That makes FLAC a capable means for storing .wav files.

Now to find the ripper that goes with FLAC and wav files and
re-creates the cue sheet.

Guess what! The ripper that rips TO a single .wav file with separate cue
sheet is our old friend Exact Audio Copy.

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

However, EAC doesn't seem to put the cue sheet into the .wav file. To do
that, you need little piece of freeware called CueListTool.

http://www.stefanbion.de/cueltool/index_e.htm

Only takes a second to add the cue sheet, and then you are ready to
play...

This is good, but I'm not aware of a player (as opposed to a sound editor)
that recognizes the embedded info.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in
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If you follow the argument, the cost of implementing this
feature would be minimal. The track and index markers are
obviously on the CD. It's just a matter of putting this
info into the output file.

You might want to look into FLAC (lossless) format. FLAC
supports embedded cue sheets and other metadata like album
cover graphics. You can "rip" a CD to a single FLAC file and
use the cue sheet for playback.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/features.html

Neat. That makes FLAC a capable means for storing .wav files.

Now to find the ripper that goes with FLAC and wav files and
re-creates the cue sheet.

Guess what! The ripper that rips TO a single .wav file with separate
cue sheet is our old friend Exact Audio Copy.

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

However, EAC doesn't seem to put the cue sheet into the .wav file.
To do that, you need little piece of freeware called CueListTool.

http://www.stefanbion.de/cueltool/index_e.htm

Only takes a second to add the cue sheet, and then you are ready to
play...

This is good, but I'm not aware of a player (as opposed to a sound
editor) that recognizes the embedded info.

Agreed.

Freakin' unbelievable!