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On 2 March,2006 Soundhaspriority encouraged me to invite all the
participants in this newsgroup to comment on his posted material.
Feel free to express yourself with no restraint on his audio treaking
expertise, S/N ratio in his replies to those that disagree with his
concepts, and any other talking points that come to mind regarding
any of his posts in any thread.
The specific post authorizing this request can be found at:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2bbb864?hl=en&

As he said, bring it on.

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On 2 March,2006 Soundhaspriority encouraged me to invite all the
participants in this newsgroup to comment on his posted material.
Feel free to express yourself with no restraint on his audio treaking
expertise, S/N ratio in his replies to those that disagree with his
concepts, and any other talking points that come to mind regarding
any of his posts in any thread.
The specific post authorizing this request can be found at:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2bbb864?hl=en&

As he said, bring it on.


Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a "subjectivist"
with a twist that he claims the absurd together with the normal so as to
lump them all up in one that the normal is also discredited with the
absurd. All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if he is
sincere in his position.
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On 2 March,2006 Soundhaspriority encouraged me to invite
all the participants in this newsgroup to comment on his
posted material. Feel free to express yourself with no
restraint on his audio treaking expertise, S/N ratio in
his replies to those that disagree with his concepts, and
any other talking points that come to mind regarding any
of his posts in any thread.
The specific post authorizing this request can be found
at:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2bbb864?hl=en&

As he said, bring it on.


What's to comment on? Soundhaspriority's posts have quickly degenerated
into a bunch of childish name-calling. He's even aroused the ire of some
so-called subjectivists. It's all about what I've long called "The
prerequisite subjectivist personal attack".


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Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in one
that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.



An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it. It's got some, but not
a lot of merit.


All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if he is
sincere in his position.



I suspect that people like Mike, and Steven think "can this guy be serious"


It's typical Arny. That you guys even are suspicious about this, or that
you even call this an "interesting theory" says it all. I have a certain
respect for all people, opponent or not. But you people do not. It's all
about religion to you guys.


every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are veiled attacks on
subjectivism, the veil is just about the right thickness to shed a little
light without showing any telling details.


He talks about pinhole donkey pictures with aspirin, curtains in other
rooms effecting sound ... "veiled" ?

I understand that you borg are enjoying this, it's probably coordinated
within the hive anyway, but for the life of me I don't understand how or
why DeWall is playing along.


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"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Fella" wrote in message


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Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in
one that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.



An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it.
It's got some, but not a lot of merit.


All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if
he is sincere in his position.



I suspect that people like Mike, and Steven think "can
this guy be serious"


It's typical Arny. That you guys even are suspicious
about this, or that you even call this an "interesting
theory" says it all.


Yeah, it says that we haven't suspended disbelief and have a little common
sense.

I have a certain respect for all
people, opponent or not. But you people do not. It's all
about religion to you guys.


Huh?

every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are
veiled attacks on subjectivism, the veil is just about
the right thickness to shed a little light without
showing any telling details.


He talks about pinhole donkey pictures with aspirin,
curtains in other rooms effecting sound ... "veiled" ?


The stuff about curtains in an attached room affecting sound (which I never
read) could have an element of truth. The rest? LOL!

I understand that you borg are enjoying this, it's
probably coordinated within the hive anyway, but for the
life of me I don't understand how or why DeWall is
playing along.


I'm trying to play with this one as little as possible because it is an
obvious waste of time.

CD pens, anyone? ;-)


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On 2 March,2006 Soundhaspriority encouraged me to invite all the
participants in this newsgroup to comment on his posted material.
Feel free to express yourself with no restraint on his audio treaking
expertise, S/N ratio in his replies to those that disagree with his
concepts, and any other talking points that come to mind regarding
any of his posts in any thread.
The specific post authorizing this request can be found at:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2bbb864?hl=en&

As he said, bring it on.


Just when I thought this place was far too boring to hang around any
longer and was about to leave when... I spot an entire thread in my
honour. Ah yes, I had forgotten all about how predictable belligerent
trolls like "westpase" are. With all this time spent on talking about
me, I can't help but wonder what you people would do with your time if
you weren't. I can't imagine it would be any more productive, given
what I've already seen.

Well anyway, in a thread purportedly to "critique my audio expertise",
all I see are personal character attacks against me. How is this any
different than what you trolls have already done with me in other
threads? And how would you even "critique my audio expertise" when you
don't know anything about it? But then, who said logic was necesary to
survive on this dysfunctional dyscussion forum...

Fella wrote:

Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a "subjectivist"
with a twist that he claims the absurd together with the normal so as to
lump them all up in one that the normal is also discredited with the
absurd. All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if he is
sincere in his position.


I tried really hard to make sense out of this incoherent post, I really
did. I did surmise that it was written in English, so I feel I should
get some credit for that. You have no basis to claim that I am not
sincere in my position, other than your dumb ignorance and your ugly
prejudice. Which I've already seen far too much of from you. If you
thought this, you should have mentioned it clearly in my thread in
which I wrote about my positions. I don't feel its appropriate to
address my positions in a deliberate "attack thread". I have no problem
clarifying my positions if someone is sincere in asking, and requires
that clarification. However, I have found it a rare moment when anyone
has been sincere with me, even after amassing 120 responses in my
thread "Tip for Open Minded Audiophiles". That includes you, which is
why I have no intention of discussing anything with you, after today.

For the record, you fools can say what you want, but I don't consider
myself either a "subjectivist", an "objectivist", a "borg" or any of
these other absurd, stupid labels you people keep slapping each other
with. As for your rambling paranoid delusions that I'm "this" posing as
"that" posing as the other, well I'm not sure there are enough pills in
your medicine chest to deal with all of your mental afflictions,
"Fella". You can at least feel secure that you're not alone, here.

Most of the people here seem to share your afflictions. Charges of
"borg", "troll", "objectivist", "subjectivist", etc. are constantly
flying back and forth among you nutcases. Paranoid conspiracy theories
abound. You people are so fearful, corrupt, cynical and insecure, no
doubt a by-product from all the wars you wage on each other daily, that
you think there are plots and schemes coming from every one who isn't
you. You seem to spend half your lives discussing the motives of others
here.

And when someone who has learned a lot about audio generously tries to
share audio ideas they believe would help others improve their sound
for free, you attack their motives for doing so, and without providing
any credible evidence of your accusations, claim they are insincere.
Then after trying to attack me, attack my character, mock me, ridicule
me, make derisive and scornful remarks about me, even stopping short of
threatening me with a gun, as in the case of the "westpase" troll, you
whine about the fact that I've returned some of your attacks and
insults. For people who pretend to be iron-skinned and who spend their
lives bashing others daily on this group, I find you to be nothing but
a bunch of sobbing dorks in the end, when pushed back.

I really don't care what anyone here says or believes about me, so gab
away about me like a bunch of clucking old hens if that's what gets you
off. God knows you people have nothing better to do, anyway. But keep
in mind that you'd have to earn my respect before I could even begin to
take your paranoid conspiracy theories and ignorant prejudism
seriously, and only one person has done that thus far. I posted here to
try to have some intelligent discussions about audio. Are you folks
here at all aware of the fact that you attack each other, and whomever
comes along, more than you discuss audio, in anything approaching a
civil manner? For you to have the temerity to call others "trolls" and
condemn them for their character attacks makes the mind reel....

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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Fella" wrote in message


wrote:


Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in
one that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.


An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it.
It's got some, but not a lot of merit.


But you have to admit, it does have some merit. I think he's probably
an objectivist, posing as a subjectivist, with a twist that he's posing
as an objectivist, who's posing as an undercover kiddie porn officer
for the MSP. But who's in fact, actually your mother. Did you remember
to put on clean underwear today, Arny? You never know when you're going
to end up in an accident, and have dirty drawers on the hospital bed...


All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if
he is sincere in his position.


Really? I've yet to see anyone, "borg" or "nonborg", that thought so.
Don't keep it a secret, name names...

It's typical Arny. That you guys even are suspicious
about this, or that you even call this an "interesting
theory" says it all.


Yeah, it says that we haven't suspended disbelief and have a little common
sense.


Roughly, this translates to:

"We of the objectivist religion have a closed mind, and no way is
anyone getting anything past it....".

It's your right to remain ignorant, Mr. Krueger. I wouldn't let anyone,
not even Fella or westface, try to take that away from you. The
enlightened ones do have to have people to laugh at too, you know.

I have a certain respect for all
people, opponent or not. But you people do not. It's all
about religion to you guys.


Huh?


I hate to admit it, but he's right. You've built a religion out of
audio, and a career out of dispensing that religion on audio groups,
apparently. Whether it was welcomed or not. And whoever invented audio,
surely did not mean it to be that way.

every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are
veiled attacks on subjectivism, the veil is just about
the right thickness to shed a little light without
showing any telling details.


He talks about pinhole donkey pictures with aspirin,


Of course, this troll has already been corrected but dishonestly
refuses to acknowledge that I never talked about anything so ridiculous
as "donkey pictures with aspirin". However,now that you mention it...
I'll have to see if its "better with a donkey"....

curtains in other rooms effecting sound ... "veiled" ?


I never said anything about "curtains effecting sound". That is simply
ridiculous. I didn't say anything about "veils" either.

The stuff about curtains in an attached room affecting sound (which I never
read) could have an element of truth.


It has more than an element, but a basis in science. However, it has
nothing to do with acoustical pressure waves, as you're so ignorantly
assuming.

The rest? LOL!


Prove your "LOL", Mr. Krueger. Where's your carefully controlled DBT
evidence that the tweaks don't work?

I understand that you borg are enjoying this, it's
probably coordinated within the hive anyway, but for the
life of me I don't understand how or why DeWall is
playing along.


I'm trying to play with this one as little as possible because it is an
obvious waste of time.


Let me see.... You've spent the last 10 years I understand, trolling
this and other audio newsgroups. You've been described as not having
time to eat cornflakes, you're so busy attacking so-called
"subjectivists" on these groups. Your life is an obvious waste of time,
and there are about a hundred people a day echoing that sentiment to
you in your deaf ears. So please don't come up with excuses to say you
don't have time to waste.

CD pens, anyone? ;-)


I'll take as many Staedtler 313's as you can supply. They're very
valuable to me and I hear they're not making them anymore.....

I'm gonna need a new CD Stoplight too, while you're taking orders. I
just tried my CD Stoplight marker recently, and after years of it
sitting around, found the tip had disintegrated.

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Fella wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:


"Fella" wrote in message


wrote:



Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in one
that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.



An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it. It's got some, but not
a lot of merit.


All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if he is
sincere in his position.



I suspect that people like Mike, and Steven think "can this guy be serious"


It's typical Arny. That you guys even are suspicious about this, or that
you even call this an "interesting theory" says it all. I have a certain
respect for all people, opponent or not. But you people do not. It's all
about religion to you guys.


Only in an anthropological way, i.e., studying subjectivst audiophilia, which
seems to differ not at all from other faith-based, science-averse
belief systems.


every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are veiled attacks on
subjectivism, the veil is just about the right thickness to shed a little
light without showing any telling details.


He talks about pinhole donkey pictures with aspirin, curtains in other
rooms effecting sound ... "veiled" ?


What right do you have to criticize him? It's all about what we hear, not
numbers and measurements. I bet your system isn't revealing enough. You
probably bought it at Best Buy.





--
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"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - James Madison (1788)


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Arny Krueger wrote:


"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Fella" wrote in message


wrote:


Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in
one that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.


An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it.
It's got some, but not a lot of merit.


But you have to admit, it does have some merit. I think he's probably
an objectivist, posing as a subjectivist, with a twist that he's posing
as an objectivist, who's posing as an undercover kiddie porn officer
for the MSP. But who's in fact, actually your mother. Did you remember
to put on clean underwear today, Arny? You never know when you're going
to end up in an accident, and have dirty drawers on the hospital bed...



All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if
he is sincere in his position.


Really? I've yet to see anyone, "borg" or "nonborg", that thought so.
Don't keep it a secret, name names...


It's typical Arny. That you guys even are suspicious
about this, or that you even call this an "interesting
theory" says it all.


Yeah, it says that we haven't suspended disbelief and have a little common
sense.


Roughly, this translates to:


"We of the objectivist religion have a closed mind, and no way is
anyone getting anything past it....".


It's your right to remain ignorant, Mr. Krueger. I wouldn't let anyone,
not even Fella or westface, try to take that away from you. The
enlightened ones do have to have people to laugh at too, you know.



LOL. I'm not even sure you know which post your're replying to,
at this point. To recap, Fella was slamming you and Arny comes mildly to
your defense..and you slam Arny.

All part of your dastardly plot to make subjectivists look nutty, no
doubt.


I have a certain respect for all
people, opponent or not. But you people do not. It's all
about religion to you guys.


Huh?


I hate to admit it, but he's right. You've built a religion out of
audio, and a career out of dispensing that religion on audio groups,
apparently. Whether it was welcomed or not. And whoever invented audio,
surely did not mean it to be that way.


every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are
veiled attacks on subjectivism, the veil is just about
the right thickness to shed a little light without
showing any telling details.


He talks about pinhole donkey pictures with aspirin,


Of course, this troll has already been corrected but dishonestly
refuses to acknowledge that I never talked about anything so ridiculous
as "donkey pictures with aspirin". However,now that you mention it...
I'll have to see if its "better with a donkey"....



So, now Fella is a troll? Just trying to keep score here.


curtains in other rooms effecting sound ... "veiled" ?


I never said anything about "curtains effecting sound". That is simply
ridiculous. I didn't say anything about "veils" either.



Have you looked into the effect of veils on a speaker?


The stuff about curtains in an attached room affecting sound (which I never
read) could have an element of truth.


It has more than an element, but a basis in science. However, it has
nothing to do with acoustical pressure waves, as you're so ignorantly
assuming.


Curtains in another room, if that room is open to the listening area,
could conceivably affect the sound....I don't think anyone would
dispute that. Now, what if we embroider those curtains with
animal figures? Food for thought.


The rest? LOL!


Prove your "LOL", Mr. Krueger. Where's your carefully controlled DBT
evidence that the tweaks don't work?


By standard scientific practice, the burden's on you to prove that they do,
alas.


I understand that you borg are enjoying this, it's
probably coordinated within the hive anyway, but for the
life of me I don't understand how or why DeWall is
playing along.


I'm trying to play with this one as little as possible because it is an
obvious waste of time.


Let me see.... You've spent the last 10 years I understand, trolling
this and other audio newsgroups.


And in just one week, you've vaulted to the upper tiers yourself.
Bravissimo.

You've been described as not having
time to eat cornflakes, you're so busy attacking so-called
"subjectivists" on these groups. Your life is an obvious waste of time,
and there are about a hundred people a day echoing that sentiment to
you in your deaf ears. So please don't come up with excuses to say you
don't have time to waste.


A *hundred* people a day? You're not counting the voices in your head,
are you?

CD pens, anyone? ;-)


I'm gonna need a new CD Stoplight too, while you're taking orders. I
just tried my CD Stoplight marker recently, and after years of it
sitting around, found the tip had disintegrated.


'nuff said!



--
-S
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - James Madison (1788)
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MINe 109 said to Sillybot:

soundhaspriotity has made me see the light. I am now investigating
placing a potted plant on top of a speaker , to see if it improves
the sound. I suspect that talking to the plant may also help.


A heavy enough plant could change the resonant frequency of the
enclosure. Talking to the plant won't change the sound, but you might be
psychologically more receptive to a musical experience after a good chat.


Sillybot doesn't have a psychology. It was removed when he was mechanized.



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Fella wrote:
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Busy day at the office, Steven? You must have wet your pants at the
opportunity to attack me, after wandering into this thread and posting
no less than three responses in one day, if not one hour. Let me guess:
you're what they call an "objectivist", right? Well, I'll give you your
little troll biscuit, since you've been so patient in waiting to post a
character attack on me. Here it is.... enjoy!

It's typical Arny. That you guys even are suspicious about this, or that
you even call this an "interesting theory" says it all. I have a certain
respect for all people, opponent or not. But you people do not. It's all
about religion to you guys.


Only in an anthropological way, i.e., studying subjectivst audiophilia, which
seems to differ not at all from other faith-based, science-averse
belief systems.


In my study of "objectivist audiophilia", I too found that it seems to
differ not at all from other faith-based belief systems. Despite using
the crutch of "science", which you know little about, to pretend that
your religious beliefs are anything but.

Anyway, there's far too much talk about "objectivists" and
"subjectivsts" around here. I wish you people would let go of your
neuroses and get off that fragmented way of thinking.

What right do you have to criticize him? It's all about what we hear, not
numbers and measurements. I bet your system isn't revealing enough. You
probably bought it at Best Buy.


You see, I wouldn't say that. What you hear is important, but whether
you bought your system at Best Buy or not, isn't. Please refer to my
thread "Tip for Open Minded Audiophiles" to see what sort of a system I
was able to tweak and hear improvements on. If any of you gearheads in
this thread have a system that's worse than what I described, then I
truly feel sorry for you for more reasons than your ignorance about
audio and life.

It's your right to remain ignorant, Mr. Krueger. I wouldn't let anyone,
not even Fella or westface, try to take that away from you. The
enlightened ones do have to have people to laugh at too, you know.



LOL. I'm not even sure you know which post your're replying to,
at this point.


Whereas I'm pretty sure you don't know anything that you speak of,
particuarly when you try to speak on behalf of others. I'm more than
aware whom I'm replying to here. If I don't do things the way you like,
that's too bad for you, isn't it.

To recap, Fella was slamming you and Arny comes mildly to
your defense..and you slam Arny.


That's only your opinion, which surprising as it may seem to you, isn't
even close to fact. Firstly, Arny was not "coming to my defense" at
all, in my opinion. Arny only defends Arny, unless you're a religious
so-called "objectivist", and he thinks you might help his political
agenda to brainwash everyone into thinking everything in audio sounds
the same, because DBT tests say it is so. Then he may defend you as
well. If you don't contradict him, at which point he'll stab you in the
back and leave you to bleed on the ground.

Secondly, I am not a person who needs Arny, or anyone, to defend
myself. I can do so fine on my own, regardless of what you think. As
for "slamming Arny", well I sure hope so. But I doubt I could ever hit
him hard enough to knock some sense into him. Ten years of people
trying to do that gives little hope that this psychopath troll friend
of yours will ever come to realize how abhorrent and misguided he is.
Not just about audio, but basically, about everything.

All part of your dastardly plot to make subjectivists look nutty, no
doubt.


Yea, "no doubt", kook. Since you want to insist on dividing everyone
here up into little "subjectivist" and "objectivist" groups, well you
BOTH look nutty to me. You would to any sane, rational individual.
Particuarly the way you nutbaskets prattle on about paranoid conspiracy
"plots" that you think every one in the world around you is engaging
in. My God how small your worlds are. Here I thought it was just your
mind.

I never said anything about "curtains effecting sound". That is simply
ridiculous. I didn't say anything about "veils" either.



Have you looked into the effect of veils on a speaker?


No, have you? Today, I happen to be looking at the effect of panty hose
on a speaker....

Curtains in another room, if that room is open to the listening area,
could conceivably affect the sound....I don't think anyone would
dispute that.


Okay, I'm disputing it. Please explain how pinning the corner of a
curtain that is open to the listening area, could conceivably affect
the sound. Don't just give me your personal opinion, that's worthless
on this opinion group. Please provide peer-reviewed substantiations for
your claim; JAES would be acceptable, and perhaps links to articles by
respected authors that support your assertion. I don't want to see any
of this "anecdotal evidence" crap, you understand.

Now, what if we embroider those curtains with
animal figures? Food for thought.


My guess is that you would probably just have curtains embroidered with
animal figures. I could give you some other ways to tweak your curtains
that may be more effective than embroidering animals on it, but you
know... "pearls before swine", and all that. The problem is, all you
gearheads ever do is talk about audio and pretend to think about it. No
kidding you know so little of any merit about it, and you never learn
anything new.

The rest? LOL!


Prove your "LOL", Mr. Krueger. Where's your carefully controlled DBT
evidence that the tweaks don't work?


By standard scientific practice, the burden's on you to prove that they do,
alas.


Alas no, the burden is on he who wishes to prove the claim.

A *hundred* people a day? You're not counting the voices in your head,
are you?


So you now you think that Kreuger is hearing voices in my head, besides
the ones in his head, and that I'm part of a vast conspiracy plot to
create divisions among subjectivists and objectivists on this
newsgroup? LOL! Nice rant, kook. I guess this is what happens to people
when you stick around here too long.

CD pens, anyone? ;-)


I'm gonna need a new CD Stoplight too, while you're taking orders. I
just tried my CD Stoplight marker recently, and after years of it
sitting around, found the tip had disintegrated.


'nuff said!


Not quite.. I'll add that I'd rather have that than be stuck with your
problem of having had your brain disintegrated over years of attacking
people on newsgroups.

soundhaspriotity has made me see the light. I am now investigating
placing a potted plant on top of a speaker , to see if it improves
the sound.


I would never try to stop you from trying out things that may or may
not work to improve your perception of sound quality. But if you want a
little guidance to get you started... you don't even need to move the
plant. Just slip a blank piece of blue paper under the pot.


I suspect that talking to the plant may also help.


Whereas I suspect you also said that to be sarcastic, and inadvertenly
prove how ignorant you are. Plants need carbon dioxide to grow, and
when you talk to a plant, you breath on it, giving it an extra infusion
of CO2.

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MINe 109 said to Sillybot:

soundhaspriotity has made me see the light. I am now investigating
placing a potted plant on top of a speaker , to see if it improves
the sound. I suspect that talking to the plant may also help.


A heavy enough plant could change the resonant frequency of the
enclosure.


Or a heavy enough pot, of course, or heavier dirt.

Talking to the plant won't change the sound, but you might be
psychologically more receptive to a musical experience after a good chat.


Sillybot doesn't have a psychology. It was removed when he was mechanized.


Maybe by "potted plant" he meant "Billy Bass."

Stephen


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MINe 109 said:

Talking to the plant won't change the sound, but you might be
psychologically more receptive to a musical experience after a good chat.


Sillybot doesn't have a psychology. It was removed when he was mechanized.


Maybe by "potted plant" he meant "Billy Bass."


I heard they recycled Audrey into nanites for the Michigan Hive. Truth?
Fiction? I dunno. We need some scicicccnncec immediately!




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"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
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Fella wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:




Busy day at the office, Steven? You must have wet your pants at the
opportunity to attack me, after wandering into this thread and posting
no less than three responses in one day, if not one hour. Let me guess:
you're what they call an "objectivist", right? Well, I'll give you your
little troll biscuit, since you've been so patient in waiting to post a character attack
on me. Here it is.... enjoy!



Actually, I'm an order of magnitude worse than a mere objectivst. I'm a god-damned
*scientist*.

and you.. Bugs Bunny voice *on* YOU, are a *mental case*.

In my study of "objectivist audiophilia", I too found that it seems to
differ not at all from other faith-based belief systems. Despite using
the crutch of "science", which you know little about, to pretend that
your religious beliefs are anything but.


well, I do like a good controlled study...I don;t think it's reached the level of a *religion*
though, given the proven track record...

What right do you have to criticize him? It's all about what we hear, not
numbers and measurements. I bet your system isn't revealing enough. You
probably bought it at Best Buy.


You see, I wouldn't say that. What you hear is important, but whether
you bought your system at Best Buy or not, isn't. Please refer to my
thread "Tip for Open Minded Audiophiles" to see what sort of a system I
was able to tweak and hear improvements on. If any of you gearheads in
this thread have a system that's worse than what I described, then I
truly feel sorry for you for more reasons than your ignorance about
audio and life.


Um...I'm afraid you haven't appreciated the full flavor of that particular bit of 'Best Buy'
satire. Probably because you haven't been around 'subjectivists' long enough.

Whereas I'm pretty sure you don't know anything that you speak of,
particuarly when you try to speak on behalf of others. I'm more than
aware whom I'm replying to here. If I don't do things the way you like,
that's too bad for you, isn't it.


well you have me first aligned with Arny, then with Fella, so no wonder my head's
a-spin.

To recap, Fella was slamming you and Arny comes mildly to your defense..and you slam

Arny.

That's only your opinion, which surprising as it may seem to you, isn't
even close to fact. Firstly, Arny was not "coming to my defense" at
all, in my opinion. Arny only defends Arny, unless you're a religious
so-called "objectivist", and he thinks you might help his political
agenda to brainwash everyone into thinking everything in audio sounds
the same, because DBT tests say it is so. Then he may defend you as
well. If you don't contradict him, at which point he'll stab you in the
back and leave you to bleed on the ground.


You remind me of one of those old toys, were one pulls a string, and a gush of
words comes out. (I suspect now they;re all digital.)

Anyway, if Arny, or anhyone in the 'virtual' world, were to 'stab' me, I think I'd survive.
Somehow.

Secondly, I am not a person who needs Arny, or anyone, to defend myself. I can do so fine

on my own, regardless of what you think. As for "slamming Arny", well I sure hope so. But I
doubt I could ever hit him hard enough to knock some sense into him. Ten years of people
trying to do that gives little hope that this psychopath troll friend of yours will ever
come to realize how abhorrent and misguided he is. Not just about audio, but basically,
about everything.

You are quite the poppin' little firecracker, I'll grant you that.

All part of your dastardly plot to make subjectivists look nutty, no doubt.


Yea, "no doubt", kook. Since you want to insist on dividing everyone
here up into little "subjectivist" and "objectivist" groups, well you
BOTH look nutty to me. You would to any sane, rational individual.
Particuarly the way you nutbaskets prattle on about paranoid conspiracy
"plots" that you think every one in the world around you is engaging
in. My God how small your worlds are. Here I thought it was just your
mind.


Excuse me, did you say something? I'm listening to The Flaming Lips in surround at the
moment, which is distracting. Anyway, no, I'm not REALLY proposing a conspiracy --
that was tongue in cheek. In fact, you've convinced me that you're a *sincere* mental case.


I never said anything about "curtains effecting sound". That is simply ridiculous.

I didn't say anything about "veils" either. Have you looked into the effect of
veils on a speaker?

No, have you? Today, I happen to be looking at the effect of panty hose
on a speaker....


Personally I much prefer to study their effect on women's legs. But to each his own


Curtains in another room, if that room is open to the listening area, could

conceivably affect the sound....I don't think anyone would dispute that.

Okay, I'm disputing it. Please explain how pinning the corner of a curtain that is open to

the listening area, could conceivably affect the sound.

But I said nothing about 'pinning the corner or a curtain' etc. I simply said the presence of
curtains in a space open to the listening area, could affect the sound. And that has to do
the potential high-frequency absorptive properties of curtains, nothing more. Much would
depend of course just how the space relates to the listening area, as well as the placement
and thickness of the curtains. Please consult Everest's text on acoustics if you need to know
more.



Don't just give me your personal opinion, that's worthless on this opinion group. Please

provide peer-reviewed substantiations for your claim; JAES would be acceptable, and perhaps
links to articles by respected authors that support your assertion. I don't want to see any
of this "anecdotal evidence" crap, you understand.


I think I need to put on the Bugs Bunny voice again...


Now, what if we embroider those curtains with animal figures? Food for thought.



My guess is that you would probably just have curtains embroidered with animal figures. I

could give you some other ways to tweak your curtains that may be more effective than
embroidering animals on it, but you know... "pearls before swine", and all that. The problem
is, all you gearheads ever do is talk about audio and pretend to think about it. No
kidding you know so little of any merit about it, and you never learn anything new.

An inability to either recognize a joke is a a hallmark of a sociopath, do you
realize that?


The rest? LOL! Prove your "LOL", Mr. Krueger. Where's your carefully

controlled DBT evidence that the tweaks don't work? By standard scientific
practice, the burden's on you to prove that they do, alas.

Alas no, the burden is on he who wishes to prove the claim.


So, if I claim that purple unicorns romp nightly in my back yard I'm OK as long as I don't
wish to *prove* that. No doubt some will find that news heartening.

A *hundred* people a day? You're not counting the voices in your head, are you?


So you now you think that Kreuger is hearing voices in my head, besides
the ones in his head, and that I'm part of a vast conspiracy plot to
create divisions among subjectivists and objectivists on this
newsgroup? LOL! Nice rant, kook. I guess this is what happens to people
when you stick around here too long.


Er, no, the 'hundred a day' quip was directed at you. Pardon if that was unclear.


not work to improve your perception of sound quality. But if you want a
little guidance to get you started... you don't even need to move the
plant. Just slip a blank piece of blue paper under the pot.


Thanks. I wasn;t planning to move the plant, but the blue paper mod is priceless.

I suspect that talking to the plant may also help.


Whereas I suspect you also said that to be sarcastic, and inadvertenly
prove how ignorant you are. Plants need carbon dioxide to grow, and
when you talk to a plant, you breath on it, giving it an extra infusion
of CO2.


Oh, so you *can* recognize sarcasm! Well, I guess there's always hope.

But how would a CO2 boost for the plantae improve the sound? Wouldn't I be better off having
plants scattered about the room, to serve as sound diffusors?
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MINe 109 wrote:
In article ,
Steven Sullivan wrote:


Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message

wrote:


Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in one
that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.


An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it. It's got some, but
not
a lot of merit.


All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if he is
sincere in his position.


I suspect that people like Mike, and Steven think "can this guy be serious"
every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are veiled attacks on
subjectivism, the veil is just about the right thickness to shed a little
light without showing any telling details.


soundhaspriotity has made me see the light. I am now investigating
placing a potted plant on top of a speaker , to see if it improves
the sound. I suspect that talking to the plant may also help.


A heavy enough plant could change the resonant frequency of the
enclosure. Talking to the plant won't change the sound, but you might be
psychologically more receptive to a musical experience after a good chat.


Hope this helps.



So , a chat with a mindless living thing would improve my musical experience? Sounds tempting.
I'm a little leery about giving you my phone number , though.



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In article ,
Steven Sullivan wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:
In article ,
Steven Sullivan wrote:


Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message

wrote:

Soundhas..etc is a staunch objectivist borg posing as a
"subjectivist" with a twist that he claims the absurd
together with the normal so as to lump them all up in one
that the normal is also discredited with the absurd.

An interesting theory. I can't really eviscerate it. It's got some,
but
not
a lot of merit.

All the borg know this yet they speak with him as if he is
sincere in his position.

I suspect that people like Mike, and Steven think "can this guy be
serious"
every time we read his posts. I sure do. If these are veiled attacks on
subjectivism, the veil is just about the right thickness to shed a
little
light without showing any telling details.

soundhaspriotity has made me see the light. I am now investigating
placing a potted plant on top of a speaker , to see if it improves
the sound. I suspect that talking to the plant may also help.


A heavy enough plant could change the resonant frequency of the
enclosure. Talking to the plant won't change the sound, but you might be
psychologically more receptive to a musical experience after a good chat.


Hope this helps.



So , a chat with a mindless living thing would improve my musical experience?
Sounds tempting.


No worse than a few Aves before listening to a Renaissance mass.

I'm a little leery about giving you my phone number , though.


That's not the most flattering way for you to think of yourself, but
whatever... :-)

Stephen
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Less than 24 hours after I started the thread which you, yourself
encouraged me to do, your whining " I'm being attacked ".
What a total surprise.
I want to be clear on one thing right off from the start.
You, who keep trying to vilify me by being some internet gun waving
maniac, made the first gun comment about my proficiency with ordinance
in the post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...21bac98?hl=en&


I was merely clarifying the issue in my response in post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...cb4aa89?hl=en&

When it comes to maligning individuals, you are exceptional at it.

With all the time you spend talking about yourself and your evaluations
of
those commenting on your previous posts, it's difficult to
get a non-offending post in edgewise.

In response to the question how can we evaluate your expertise in
audio,
all we have to go on is what you've written.
You could have invited us all over and we could sit around the table
with your girl friend, your wife and her sister, and you could actually
demonstrate to the group the tweaking your doing.
I doubt that will ever happen.
For a savant such as yourself that continues to post what a back
biting assemblage of rabble we are, and how you will not continue
to participate in disscussions, you're still here.
Perhaps the rec.audio.tech or rec.audio.high-end forums
are where you would be better recieved with your enlightening concepts.



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rsponded in post:
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Less than 24 hours after I started the thread which you, yourself
encouraged me to do, your whining " I'm being attacked ".
What a total surprise.



Pardon me for asking, but do you two have some sort of history following
you into RAO? This seems like an old antagonism.



--
-S
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - James Madison (1788)
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rsponded in post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...9d981d6?hl=en&


Less than 24 hours after I started the thread which you, yourself
encouraged me to do, your whining " I'm being attacked ".
What a total surprise.
I want to be clear on one thing right off from the start.
You, who keep trying to vilify me by being some internet gun waving
maniac, made the first gun comment about my proficiency with ordinance
in the post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...21bac98?hl=en&


I was merely clarifying the issue in my response in post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...cb4aa89?hl=en&

When it comes to maligning individuals, you are exceptional at it.

With all the time you spend talking about yourself and your evaluations
of
those commenting on your previous posts, it's difficult to
get a non-offending post in edgewise.

In response to the question how can we evaluate your expertise in
audio,
all we have to go on is what you've written.
You could have invited us all over and we could sit around the table
with your girl friend, your wife and her sister, and you could actually
demonstrate to the group the tweaking your doing.
I doubt that will ever happen.
For a savant such as yourself that continues to post what a back
biting assemblage of rabble we are, and how you will not continue
to participate in disscussions, you're still here.
Perhaps the rec.audio.tech or rec.audio.high-end forums
are where you would be better recieved with your enlightening concepts.


Nice rant, kook. I'm sorry you were under the mistaken impression that
anyone cares to wade through your diatribes, least of all I. Even for
an internet troll who's been stalking me here from day one, you really
have too much time on your hands. Go wave your guns in someone else's
face, you don't impress me one bit.

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