Does anyone have any suggestions for being able to do a panning curve
without using a mouse on a home pc? I am currently using Samplitude
Ver 7.something. When I want to do a panning curve I have to use my
mouse to do it. I would much rather have a outboard piece of gear where
I can activate a channel and move a fader or a rotary pot of some sort
to place a panning curve . Would a audio controller like a Tascam US
224 allow me to do this with a rotary knob or atleast with a channel
strip fadder as opposed to using my mouse and clicking along??? Thanks
in advance for any suggestions!

Kelly Storla

wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions for being able to do a panning curve
without using a mouse on a home pc? I am currently using Samplitude
Ver 7.something. When I want to do a panning curve I have to use my
mouse to do it. I would much rather have a outboard piece of gear where
I can activate a channel and move a fader or a rotary pot of some sort
to place a panning curve . Would a audio controller like a Tascam US
224 allow me to do this

Yes, and there are several dedicated control surfaces with knobs and
sliders that will let you do it. They vary with the ease in which they
can be set up to work with your program (or vice versa) - the basic
ones send MIDI continuous control messages and you have to "program"
your DAW software to interpret that message as panning on a particular
channel. HUI and Mackie Control are two protocols (both developed by
Mackie) which are becoming common. With many DAW programs, particularly
in their latest versions, you can simply select a control device off a
list and off you go.

Thank you for your response Mike. You are a class act.

wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for being able to do a panning curve
without using a mouse on a home pc?

This is a joke, right? A troll?


If not, DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER. Go immediately to a beginners group.
There's an alt.something group with home-studio in the name. Find that.
Stop reading now.



Would a audio controller like a Tascam US 224 allow me to do this
with a rotary knob or atleast with a channel strip fadder as opposed
to using my mouse and clicking along???


No. Absolutely not. Fadders do not control audio functions. Sometimes
faders do, but never fadders.

Besides, the knob that says PAN on those things is just for decoration.
They don't actually do anything. The controllers just add pretty lights
to impress the gullible. The Pan knob and channel faders have no actual
function. Neither does the strip fadder. They are used as a kind of
"secret handshake" to weed out amateurs -- the pros know they're fake.



If this is not a joke and you're really serious, WHAT THE **** DO YOU
THINK?! OF COURSE the ****ing controller adjusts pan, you ****ing
braindead halfwit! Spend ten ****ing seconds reading the documentation
for the device and your software and you'll see that it's printed out
for you in little words that even Wannabe Superstars can read.

Kee-****in'-rist this place is getting stoopid. What's next... "Can I
play moozic on a keybored or do I have to use a mows?"

Hey, I *warned* you not to read on...

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"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
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making even bad news sound good

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Lorin David Schultz wrote:

Would a audio controller like a Tascam US 224 allow me to do this
with a rotary knob or atleast with a channel strip fadder as opposed
to using my mouse and clicking along???


No. Absolutely not. Fadders do not control audio functions. Sometimes
faders do, but never fadders.

Oh, come on. The US224, as I recall, has rotary knobs which can be
assigned to pan functions.

Hey, I *warned* you not to read on...

What have you done with the real Lorin David Schultz?

"Mike Rivers" wrote:

What have you done with the real Lorin David Schultz?



He was driven insane by profoundly stupid questions in audio forums.
This bugs him for two reasons.

First, it frustrates him to realize just how lazy and stupid our society
has become. Answers to many (most?) of the questions newbies ask around
here are RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, but they pose poorly phrased queries
here instead of just reading the documentation they already have. Or
just pressing the damn button to see what it does. Or asking the dealer
who sold them the ****ing thing and made money from them. They do this
when they're better equipped to answer the question themselves than
anyone on a newsgroup possibly could be.

Second, the forum that used to be a place where audio practitioners
could gather to share war stories and useful info has deteriorated into
a kiddie tutoring centre for newbies. I do not begrudge newbies the
benefit of experienced pro's expertise, but there are better ways to
benefit than what we're seeing here. Can you even imagine what would
happen if you just strolled into a studio and asked some of these
questions? Or what would happen if you got ****y about the way the
engineer answered you? The outcome would not be pretty and polite.

The "natural order" of things has always been that the Apprentice keeps
his eyes and ears open and his mouth shut. At appropriate times, he may
ask a well-considered question in the context of what's going on at that
time. The Apprentice does not stroll into the shop and ask if an
electric screwdriver can be used to drive screws. He also does not
complain when the Journeyman tells him to look at the resources right in
front of him and see if he can't figure it out on his own.

Seriously Mike, the question was "Can I control panning in my DAW with a
physical control surface?" This doesn't strike you as bizarre at all?
To me it says the OP has not made ANY effort whatsoever to explore the
subject him/herself, since the answer is so obvious and readily
available in ANY marketing material.

I could have just ignored it, but instead I used the opportunity to fire
a warning shot across the bow of any other idiot ships in these waters.
It doesn't really matter to me if the OP (or others of that type) are
offended, since it's not like they're contributing anything of value to
the group anyway...

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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Hey Lorin David Schultz
In the future please do not waste any of my time or any futher
broadband space on RAP by responding to any of my posts. Your inability
to respond to my sincere and honest question and with out the use of
offensive language, makes me realize that that you have nothing to
offer that I would place any value in.

Kelly Storla

wrote:
Hey Lorin David Schultz
In the future please do not waste any of my time or any futher
broadband space on RAP by responding to any of my posts. Your inability
to respond to my sincere and honest question and with out the use of
offensive language, makes me realize that that you have nothing to
offer that I would place any value in.

Kelly Storla

You have to realize that this is not really a group that exists to help
newbies. This is a discussion group, for technical people to discuss
technical issues.

If you're going to walk in here and ask questions of the regulars, that's
fine, but for God's sake at least ask a coherent question.

I could not make head or tail of what you were asking, but I am pretty
sure you aren't really meaning to ask about panning laws. The panning
law for a given console is related to what happens to the individual
channels as you turn the pan knob from side to side. On some consoles,
the overall level drops as you move a signal to the side, on others it
stays constant, and on some it even gets louder. That's the panning law
for that particular console's pan control.

Many DAWs and digital consoles allow you to configure the pan law differently
to emulate differet kinds of console layouts.

It seemed to me that you were asking something about some kind of pan
automation thing, which really doesn't have anything to do with pan
laws. But it's hard to tell because your original question was not very
understandable.

Given this, you should not be surprised that many people think you are
trolling.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:

You have to realize that this is not really a group that exists to help
newbies. This is a discussion group, for technical people to discuss
technical issues.

If you're going to walk in here and ask questions of the regulars, that's
fine, but for God's sake at least ask a coherent question.

It did take a little interpretation, but sometimes we can be nice to
beginners even if they throw around almost correct technical terms used
in the wrong way. I do tend to get a little testy with people who are
too quick to use abbreviations, particularly those that aren't yet
household words, at least in my house. All those who believe they have
an LDC please take note.

I could not make head or tail of what you were asking, but I am
pretty
sure you aren't really meaning to ask about panning laws.

The clue was "without using the mouse." He wants a pan knob and he can
can get one with a DAW controller. He could even use a slider on a MIDI
keyboard with some creative setup work.

And if the way he's panning right now is by drawing a line with the
"Pan" command attached to it in his DAW, he could be thinking that he's
drawing a "panning curve," particularly if he's panning dynimcally
during the song (sending the guitar bouncing back and forth between the
speakers).

I doubt that he cares about how the channels are summed in the center.

Hey Scott
Point well taken so I will try and make state my question more
clearly.
Currently I am using Samplitude on my home PC. In Samplitude on a
channel by channel basis I have the option of creating an automated
custom panning curve. For instance you have a recording of 4 accoustic
players and they have all been panned in various positions. When one
takes a break I like this curve to automatically pan this player to the
center. In my present setup I have to create this panning curve by
placing various clicks on the panning curve line to create a curve that
does this process. My original question simply was do the Tascam
Control Units have a rotary pot that would tie into my Samplitude
software and allow me to create this curve and keep me from having to
use my mouse to do this.. If so it would save me a lot of time. I do
not have any of these Tascam units nor do I know anyone who does so
that is why I posted my question here. I am not a troll, and have
posted numerious questions on this form for over 4 years and have
always gotten great answers and suggestions. I hope this posting is now
clear enough to get an answer as well!

Kelly Storla

wrote:
Currently I am using Samplitude on my home PC. In Samplitude on a
channel by channel basis I have the option of creating an automated
custom panning curve. For instance you have a recording of 4 accoustic
players and they have all been panned in various positions. When one
takes a break I like this curve to automatically pan this player to the
center. In my present setup I have to create this panning curve by
placing various clicks on the panning curve line to create a curve that
does this process.

Okay, so you are using automation on pans, and you want to know if you
can continue doing this with a control surface.

My original question simply was do the Tascam
Control Units have a rotary pot that would tie into my Samplitude
software and allow me to create this curve and keep me from having to
use my mouse to do this.. If so it would save me a lot of time. I do
not have any of these Tascam units nor do I know anyone who does so
that is why I posted my question here. I am not a troll, and have
posted numerious questions on this form for over 4 years and have
always gotten great answers and suggestions. I hope this posting is now
clear enough to get an answer as well!

Get the manual off the Tascam website and see if it offers a pan control.
I know that the HUI does. I can't imagine a control surface not offering
pan controls on individual channels. If the control surface has pans, the
software should support them.

It is much, much easier to mix in realtime with actual controls than to
fight with drawing curves and crap like that.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

wrote:

My original question simply was do the Tascam Control Units have a
rotary pot that would tie into my Samplitude software and allow me to
create this curve and keep me from having to use my mouse to do
this



Jeezuz Kelly, in a FRACTION of the time you spent whining about how the
big meanies weren't nice to you, you could have just gone to the ****ing
Tascam web site and gotten to this in three clicks:

http://www.tascam.com/Products/US-224.html

"The US-224's cool purple control surface gives you more than just
mouseclicks for your DAW software. Like its big brother, the immensely
popular US-428, the US-224 gives you real tactical (sic) controls like
faders, transports, mutes and solos, panning and more."

There are also lists of compatible applications, including Cubase,
Nuendo, Pro Tools, Cakewalk/Sonar and Logic. Samplitude is not listed,
but there are instructions for seeing if it will work.

Don't bother with it though. Since you won't look anything up you'll
never figure out how to use it.

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"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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