I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

It's hard to say. It might be the MP3, but it's seems to me missing
sympathetic tones. The General Music promega 3 has some very realistic
piano timbres. I don't care for the strings and so forth, but the
grand, CP70 and rhodes are pretty convincing.
just my opinion,
Doc

The mp3 sounds identical to the wav file I have but I too notice a
rather "sterile" piano sound. To me it has the footprint of a digital
sampled piano.

DL wrote:
I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

It doesn't sound at all like a real piano to me.

Just my two cents,
- Drew

Yeah, that's what I think too. It doesn't have the specific tone and
resonance found only on a real acoustic piano.

"DL" wrote ...
I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

If that is a "real" piano, find out what brand piano
and mics were used. Then avoid both of them.

In article . com,
DL wrote:
Yeah, that's what I think too. It doesn't have the specific tone and
resonance found only on a real acoustic piano.

I have known some real pianos that were like that too, though. Well,
Wurlitzer spinets anyway, which I guess aren't really pianos...
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Doesn't sound like a real piano to me, either.

Richard Crowley wrote:

If that is a "real" piano, find out what brand piano
and mics were used. Then avoid both of them.

Ha! Good point! Thanks.

Thanks very much for your input guys.

Lesson learned: never subcontract a piano recording job to just anyone
but rather learn to mic and play it better myself.

If you want to hear a convincing piano synthisizer...
http://www.Synthogy.com/

I didnt listen - but it doesnt sound like an acoustic piano - as soon as
someone tells me it sounds just like the real thing my ass starts to itch.


"DL" wrote in message
oups.com...
I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

Hi,

I play piano for over 20 years now, started with a steinway grand piano
und moved my way to all kind of different synths.
This is defintitly not a real piano (if it was, the piano is heavily
defect), for some reason:
1) I hear about 3-4 different velocity zones which the synth blends in.
2) the release phase of the sound is too hard (he should have had the
reverb switch on to diffuse to sound....) a real piano would have some
wood resonance and early reflection coloration I miss here.
3) the attack phase of the sound is also to hard for me, it goes in a
direction of the famous Korg M1piano patch (not fully but a bit) we all
used in the early 90s. ;-)
4) I think it's not a yamaha or roland sound engine, it could be a new
korg or a very hard preset from the promega labeled something like "80s
piano", "pop piano"...

it is not a rhodes, spinett, clavi, cp70 / cp80...

sorry for that!

Lukas Leuthold

DL wrote:
I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

Richard Crowley wrote:
If you want to hear a convincing piano synthisizer...
http://www.Synthogy.com/

Thanks for that link. I've heard about Ivory for a while but this is
the first I've listened to the demos. The Steinway D sounds the most
realistic to me of the three offered. But, that sample from the
original post was way too thin and that exaggerated velocity 'toink'
sound of the hammer is a dead giveaway. Someone else posted that it
sounded like a sample from the 80's or early 90's. Pretty cheesy,
whatever it was.

DL wrote:
I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

I think it's a real piano that A) doesn't sound so good and B) isn't
miked so well. But I suppose for certain things it might work out OK.

Karl Winkler
http://www.lectrosonics.com
http://www.karlwinkler.com
http://www.giovanniquartet.com

"DL" writes:

I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

I don't think it does. It doesn't seem to have that faint "harp
ring" that occurs when you press the damper pedal.

--A Church Pianist who's half deaf (too many rock'n'roll bands
in the younger years)

--
% Randy Yates % "She's sweet on Wagner-I think she'd die for Beethoven.
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % She love the way Puccini lays down a tune, and
%%% 919-577-9882 % Verdi's always creepin' from her room."
%%%% % "Rockaria", *A New World Record*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Once again I would like to extend my thank you to everybody for the
often fascinating and informative replies.

On 1 Feb 2006 16:16:28 -0800, "DL" wrote:

I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3


What is it? A solo piano to accompany a singer? Or a part of a
bigger mix? If the first, I'd like to hear more musical flexibility
and abandon. But it has the hallmarks of a track played to a click -
the occasional "catching-up" lurch in tempo. How does it sound in the
mix?

Laurence Payne wrote:

What is it? A solo piano to accompany a singer? Or a part of a
bigger mix? If the first, I'd like to hear more musical flexibility
and abandon. But it has the hallmarks of a track played to a click -
the occasional "catching-up" lurch in tempo. How does it sound in the
mix?

It was meant to recreate the same "feel", in real time, of an original
song which was originally piano, backing singers and main vocalist. I
asked the guy to pan the piano left and backing singers right and I'd
add the main vocal. Obviously when I received the final product the
piano sounded like crap, claimed as "real instrument" and I don't even
wanna discuss the hideous recording on the backing singers .. yuk! I've
heard well mic'ed cheap upright pianos sound way more natural than the
crap he sent. Honestly I'd be satisfied solely with a natural piano
accompaniament. Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.

DL wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:

What is it? A solo piano to accompany a singer? Or a part of a
bigger mix? If the first, I'd like to hear more musical flexibility
and abandon. But it has the hallmarks of a track played to a click -
the occasional "catching-up" lurch in tempo. How does it sound in the
mix?

It was meant to recreate the same "feel", in real time, of an original
song which was originally piano, backing singers and main vocalist. I
asked the guy to pan the piano left and backing singers right and I'd
add the main vocal. Obviously when I received the final product the
piano sounded like crap, claimed as "real instrument" and I don't even
wanna discuss the hideous recording on the backing singers .. yuk! I've
heard well mic'ed cheap upright pianos sound way more natural than the
crap he sent. Honestly I'd be satisfied solely with a natural piano
accompaniament. Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.

And then you should realize that anybody who will do that for
seventy-seven bucks is very generous, or is a rank beginner, or is
inept.

--
ha

DL wrote:
I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3



I'm a classically-trained pianist and this definitely does sound like a
synth, and a cheap one at that. Casio CTK series or a Yamaha Portakeys
is my guess here. Better synths at least have *some* tone to them (even
though it's still obvious).

77 bux? you gets what you pays for . . . .
stop whining and hire a real professional and be prepared to pay
considerably more than 77 bux.

"DL" wrote in message
oups.com...

Laurence Payne wrote:

What is it? A solo piano to accompany a singer? Or a part of a
bigger mix? If the first, I'd like to hear more musical flexibility
and abandon. But it has the hallmarks of a track played to a click -
the occasional "catching-up" lurch in tempo. How does it sound in the
mix?

It was meant to recreate the same "feel", in real time, of an original
song which was originally piano, backing singers and main vocalist. I
asked the guy to pan the piano left and backing singers right and I'd
add the main vocal. Obviously when I received the final product the
piano sounded like crap, claimed as "real instrument" and I don't even
wanna discuss the hideous recording on the backing singers .. yuk! I've
heard well mic'ed cheap upright pianos sound way more natural than the
crap he sent. Honestly I'd be satisfied solely with a natural piano
accompaniament. Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.

It was meant to recreate the same "feel", in real time, of an original
song which was originally piano, backing singers and main vocalist. I
asked the guy to pan the piano left and backing singers right and I'd
add the main vocal. Obviously when I received the final product the
piano sounded like crap, claimed as "real instrument" and I don't even
wanna discuss the hideous recording on the backing singers .. yuk!
I've
heard well mic'ed cheap upright pianos sound way more natural than the
crap he sent. Honestly I'd be satisfied solely with a natural piano
accompaniament. Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the
guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.

I think you got *more* than your US$77 worth of performance
AND recording of both piano and backup singers.

On 1 Feb 2006 16:16:28 -0800, "DL" wrote:

I uploaded an mp3 and I'd be grateful if you'd take a listen and let me
know if you think this is a real or sampled piano. A guy tries to
"sell" this as a real piano but I think it's a digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds. Either way I think it sounds like crap but I'd
really like to know what YOU think. Thanks in advance.

I don't have great ears, but...

http://members.shaw.ca/ftp_pro/piano.mp3

No, this does not sound anything like any acoustical-mechanical
device I've ever heard, nor do I think it is a "digital keyboard of
sampled piano sounds." A cheap spinet would be insulted to be compared
with this.
Many years ago I owned a Casio CZ-101, I think I could get it to
make sounds approaching this recording, but the recordin is probably a
step or two below a Cheesy-101, this may have been made with the
General MIDI Piano setting on a Soundblaster card.

There are people on another group that can apparently tell a
Steinway from other brands by listening to a well-recorded mp3. Please
don't subject them to this.
I'm quite ashamed that I can idenify low-end crap better than real
pianos, but at least I can hear the difference between the two.

"Either way I think it sounds like crap ..." then that's all you
need to know.

On 3 Feb 2006 16:59:34 -0800, "DL" wrote:

It was meant to recreate the same "feel", in real time, of an original
song which was originally piano, backing singers and main vocalist. I
asked the guy to pan the piano left and backing singers right and I'd
add the main vocal. Obviously when I received the final product the
piano sounded like crap, claimed as "real instrument" and I don't even
wanna discuss the hideous recording on the backing singers .. yuk! I've
heard well mic'ed cheap upright pianos sound way more natural than the
crap he sent. Honestly I'd be satisfied solely with a natural piano
accompaniament. Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.

I didn't think it sounded THAT bad?

"DL" wrote in message
oups.com...

Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.


So, you want a great piano recorded well for $77? You've got to be kidding.

You got what you paid for...

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:24:24 +0000, Laurence Payne
wrote:

On 3 Feb 2006 16:59:34 -0800, "DL" wrote:

It was meant to recreate the same "feel", in real time, of an original
song which was originally piano, backing singers and main vocalist. I
asked the guy to pan the piano left and backing singers right and I'd
add the main vocal. Obviously when I received the final product the
piano sounded like crap, claimed as "real instrument" and I don't even
wanna discuss the hideous recording on the backing singers .. yuk! I've
heard well mic'ed cheap upright pianos sound way more natural than the
crap he sent. Honestly I'd be satisfied solely with a natural piano
accompaniament. Btw I paid 77 USD for this ****!!! I should ask the guy
to refund me based on misrepresentation.

I didn't think it sounded THAT bad?

See my other post - I did.

Thanks again to everyone who replied but I do have to take issue with
the $77 that I paid, that some suggest I got my money's worth etc .....
I've dealt with people in the past to whom I paid much more and even
got services for free and found no correlation between higher prices
and higher quality and vice versa. When someone passes themselves as
such and such person or that he uses a "real piano", as is my case and
makes statements that are misleading, then price has nothing to do with
that. Many are outright crooks and others arrogant know-it-alls and the
amount of money has little to do with it.