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Hello,
I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. |
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![]() "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. Almost everybody making speakers makes some kid of small sub/sat speaker system, NHT, Boston Acoustics, many others. Bose is pricey because they spend a fortune on advertising, it's really not anything to do with the quality of their products which are almost universally looked upon as second rate. |
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Angie a écrit :
Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. I have a friend who had customized the following material : http://radiotelevision.free.fr/p105.html He used to listen Ornette Coleman on the right channel and Richard Wagner on the left one and everything was ok. But he has tried to improve the system introducing an automatic swap system between the right and left channels. The diabolic lethal innovation was that swap frequency was automatically adapted to the rhythm of the music ! My friend died from a "neuronal short circuit". :-( If he was really a so bad lover, forget him and his Acoustimas 6 system, don't do twice the same error... ;o) Lionel |
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It is very easy to see how a second rate brain arrives at your
conclusion. So by your standards, any successful company that does the best job of advertising and marketing their products is "universally looked upon as second rate."? Let's see: Does that mean Tide is a second-rate laundry detergent? Is milk as advertised by the American Dairy Council a "second rate" product? Is Charmin a second-rate toilet tissue? Is Red Lobster a second-rate chain of seafood restaurants? [Name a better national sea food restaurant chain - You cannot] You're just another drug store audiophool cowboy who detests Bose because they are the largest and most successful marketer of speakers and audio equipment in the world. They spend more on advertising because they MAKE MORE MONEY than any other company. If you knew anything about marketing and advertising, which you do not, you would know their advertising to sales ratio is actually lower than most of their competitors, like Polk Audio, The Harman Group, and Pioneer, just to drop a few names. Advertising to sales ratio is simply a measure of what percentage of their overall sales revenue is reinvested in advertising. Bose spends a lot because they sell a lot! Bose sells a lot because they make quality, good sounding products that people buy, precisely because they are quality, good sounding products. The Big Cheese Michael McKelvy (with a second rate brain fart) drools: "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. Almost everybody making speakers makes some kid of small sub/sat speaker system, NHT, Boston Acoustics, many others. Bose is pricey because they spend a fortune on advertising, it's really not anything to do with the quality of their products which are almost universally looked upon as second rate. |
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I'm fully agree with you my little "Crotin de Chavignol".
The Munster-Emmental mathematical law clearly demonstrate the arithmetic relation between quality and sales volume. This is why my friend S888Wheel listen Kate Bush on a $10.000 audio system. ;-) The Big Cheese a écrit : It is very easy to see how a second rate brain arrives at your conclusion. So by your standards, any successful company that does the best job of advertising and marketing their products is "universally looked upon as second rate."? Let's see: Does that mean Tide is a second-rate laundry detergent? Is milk as advertised by the American Dairy Council a "second rate" product? Is Charmin a second-rate toilet tissue? Is Red Lobster a second-rate chain of seafood restaurants? [Name a better national sea food restaurant chain - You cannot] You're just another drug store audiophool cowboy who detests Bose because they are the largest and most successful marketer of speakers and audio equipment in the world. They spend more on advertising because they MAKE MORE MONEY than any other company. If you knew anything about marketing and advertising, which you do not, you would know their advertising to sales ratio is actually lower than most of their competitors, like Polk Audio, The Harman Group, and Pioneer, just to drop a few names. Advertising to sales ratio is simply a measure of what percentage of their overall sales revenue is reinvested in advertising. Bose spends a lot because they sell a lot! Bose sells a lot because they make quality, good sounding products that people buy, precisely because they are quality, good sounding products. The Big Cheese Michael McKelvy (with a second rate brain fart) drools: "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. Almost everybody making speakers makes some kid of small sub/sat speaker system, NHT, Boston Acoustics, many others. Bose is pricey because they spend a fortune on advertising, it's really not anything to do with the quality of their products which are almost universally looked upon as second rate. |
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I have the Canton Fornissimo(sp) setup in my "room". As another poster
wrote, just about everybody makes a setup similar to the Bose so lots of listening to various brands may prove worthwhile. You can really get nice sound from this type of arrangement. ES "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. |
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Angie wrote:
Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Best HT/surround system for a simmilar amount of money is the KEF micro sytstem. The drivers are much larger, but the satelites are rounded and have integral wall-mounts, so the total impact is actually LESS visually than the Bose. Good speakers as well, thanks to the 4 inch midrange and small but effective tweeter. On a budget, the Energy Take 5 system will stomp on the Bose for $600-$700, including a real 8 inch powered woofer. Energy's bottom line sub - not a speaker in a book, but the real deal comes with it, and is great. My recommendation, though, would be to go with small bookshelf speakers. Tannoy makes their MXm series. Small and clean sounding, yet not very expensive. They also make a nice surround wall-mount speaker that is even less expensive than their MXm1 bookshelf. Despite its small size, it is much better sounding than anything other than the KEF. Assuming you use 4 of these for surrounds, these will do better than other microsystems for about the same amount of money. The MXm1s are the real deal - small bookshelf speakers that you can get away with playing any type of music on in a pinch. Tannoy pricing(since it is not listed on their site or online/easy to find) Per pair: MXm1 $250 MXm2 $350 MXm3 $500(tower) MxM4 $700(tower) MXCenter $250 MXr Surround $200(most everyone gets MX1s instead) Note - most places will cut you a deal if you buy a full set, so a 6.1 setup with 4 MXr and 2 MXm1(all are shielded, so placement is up to you - I'd use the larger ones for the front speakers myelf) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.p...ull&1074096057 $550-$600 for a setup should be possible. |
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"Angie" wrote in message ...
Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. If you want very small satellites there is Cambridge Soundworks, they sound quite a bit better than the Bose AM series AND cost less. For similar cost but far better sound you could look for systems like Gallo Micros or Boston Micro series. If you can live with larger but still small sattelites (say less than 1 foot high) your options become numerous, some models I would personally try to audition would be Paradigm Atom, Ascend CBM-170, NHT Superzero XU, Axiom Audio M2i, B&W DM303, PSB Alpha. With any of them you will want to add a sub "A little more solid, low bass would be nice". Unfortunately, good bass does not come cheap. A couple of good budget subs would be Paradigm PDR-10 or HSU STF2. Or you could save a few bucks at the cost of base quality by going with an 8" sub. http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com http://www.roundsound.com http://www.bostonacoustics.com http://www.paradigm.com http://www.ascendacoustics.com http://www.nhthifi.com http://www.axiomaudio.com http://www.bwspeakers.com http://www.psbspeakers.com http://www.hsuresearch.com |
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Mackie wrote:
If you can live with larger but still small sattelites (say less than 1 foot high) your options become numerous, some models I would personally try to audition would be Paradigm Atom, Ascend CBM-170, NHT Superzero XU, Axiom Audio M2i, B&W DM303, PSB Alpha. Note - Several of these micro systems are hardly any larger than the Bose cubes. Visually, a rounded face or an integrated mount/gimbal can make it appear to take up less space than a square speaker. Also, anytihng under 6 inches in all dimmensions is considered "tiny" by most people, so sweating 1/2 inch here or there isn't a big deal. |
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![]() "The Big Cheese" wrote in message ... It is very easy to see how a second rate brain arrives at your conclusion. Unprovoked attack noted. So by your standards, any successful company that does the best job of advertising and marketing their products is "universally looked upon as second rate."? Where did I say that? I think their products are second rate compared to other products in the same price range. Let's see: Does that mean Tide is a second-rate laundry detergent? Is milk as advertised by the American Dairy Council a "second rate" product? Is Charmin a second-rate toilet tissue? Is Red Lobster a second-rate chain of seafood restaurants? [Name a better national sea food restaurant chain - You cannot] You're just another drug store audiophool cowboy who detests Bose because they are the largest and most successful marketer of speakers and audio equipment in the world. I don't detest them for being big and successful. I don't like the way they sue people including hobby mags for talking about 6th order bandpass designs. I think they use some of the cheapest component drivers on the market and charge the highest possible price for them. They spend more on advertising because they MAKE MORE MONEY than any other company. If you knew anything about marketing and advertising, which you do not, you would know their advertising to sales ratio is actually lower than most of their competitors, like Polk Audio, The Harman Group, and Pioneer, just to drop a few names. Advertising to sales ratio is simply a measure of what percentage of their overall sales revenue is reinvested in advertising. Bose spends a lot because they sell a lot! Bose sells a lot because they make quality, good sounding products that people buy, precisely because they are quality, good sounding products. The Big Cheese You have your opinion and most people who consider themselves audiophiles have a different one. Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. Almost everybody making speakers makes some kid of small sub/sat speaker system, NHT, Boston Acoustics, many others. Bose is pricey because they spend a fortune on advertising, it's really not anything to do with the quality of their products which are almost universally looked upon as second rate. |
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Thanks much to all who replied with very helpful information. At least now I
know where to start. :-) Btw, the folks who provided websites, BIG thank you! Saves me a lot of trouble hunting. Apologies to the first few posters. I didn't mean to get people fighting over this. I'm not an audio expert; I just know what I like and what doesn't not appeal to me. Bose just cost a tad more than what I felt I'd pay for it. No reason, logic or techie stuff to back it. Just a gut feel. :-) Thanks again. aK. "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:57:37 GMT, "Angie"
wrote: Thanks much to all who replied with very helpful information. At least now I know where to start. :-) Btw, the folks who provided websites, BIG thank you! Saves me a lot of trouble hunting. Apologies to the first few posters. I didn't mean to get people fighting over this. I'm not an audio expert; I just know what I like and what doesn't not appeal to me. Bose just cost a tad more than what I felt I'd pay for it. No reason, logic or techie stuff to back it. Just a gut feel. :-) Thanks again. aK. Lol- No problem. you obviously didn't know that asking about Bose in most any audio newsgroup is the Usenet equivalent of cracking opening the door to a room, rolling a hand grenade into the room, closing the door and tiptoeing off... As for me, I have a Bose Acoustimass 10 system in one of my rooms, and I like it for what I use it for. The reason I got it was the Navy Exchange at my base (the Navy's version of a PX) had them for 20% less than what the online vendors were selling them for at the time, and there was no shipping or sales tax. I think Bose is popular for two major reasons: First, they have HUGE advertising and distribution programs. Around here (Norfolk, Virginia), there's a Bose store in the local mall. If you want to hear speakers like B&W, Tannoy, Klipsh, Martin Logan, or any of the other widely-acclaimed high-end speakers, you have to go to a specialty high-end audio. Second, if you look at the entire gamut of speakes out there, from the absolute worst-sounding speaker in the world to the absolute best in the world, I think it's fair to say that Bose is significantly above average. I'll agree that they're second-rate when compared to the speakers I listed above, but compared against the entire world of speakers, they're better than average. Now, if you add these two reasons together, you'll realize that Bose speakers are the *first* speakers that a lot of people hear that are better-than-average. People wander into the Bose store in the mall, and hear a Lifestyle or Acoustimass system for the first time. If they've grown up listening to low-end or middle-of-the-road consumer gear, the Bose stuff is going to sound GREAT to them, so they buy it. I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is that for a lot of consumers, Bose speakers are the best they've ever heard, and they're ignorant even of the existence of better speakers because of the small-scale advertising for the high-end speakers, so they buy the Bose, making the Bose very popular. Scott Gardner |
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![]() "Angie" wrote in message ... Thanks much to all who replied with very helpful information. At least now I know where to start. :-) Btw, the folks who provided websites, BIG thank you! Saves me a lot of trouble hunting. Apologies to the first few posters. I didn't mean to get people fighting over this. I'm not an audio expert; I just know what I like and what doesn't not appeal to me. Bose just cost a tad more than what I felt I'd pay for it. No reason, logic or techie stuff to back it. Just a gut feel. :-) Thanks again. aK. It is an opinion NG after all. It seems the Big Cheesehead is a fan of their products. The bottom line as always with audio, is get what YOU like. "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. |
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Hmmmmm....
I deal with pro audio...... Bose, no highs, no lows. Their products are way to expensive for what you get. I would go with something else. |
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Dave a écrit :
Hmmmmm.... I deal with pro audio...... Bose, no highs, no lows. Agree Their products are way to expensive for what you get. I would go with something else. http://www.tb-speaker.com/detail/w3-593s.htm This $10 speaker is better than Bose Acoustimass satellite ones. You say expensive ? I say prohibitive ! ;-) |
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On 12/11/03 8:49 PM, in article ,
"Lionel" wrote: Dave a écrit : Hmmmmm.... I deal with pro audio...... Bose, no highs, no lows. Agree Their products are way to expensive for what you get. I would go with something else. http://www.tb-speaker.com/detail/w3-593s.htm This $10 speaker is better than Bose Acoustimass satellite ones. You say expensive ? I say prohibitive ! ;-) There are a number of speakers for the same price as Bose that will sound much, much better than Bose. A system based upon PSB speakers will blow away Bose and end up cheaper, I think. |
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![]() "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ... "The Big Cheese" wrote in message ... It is very easy to see how a second rate brain arrives at your conclusion. Unprovoked attack noted. So by your standards, any successful company that does the best job of advertising and marketing their products is "universally looked upon as second rate."? Where did I say that? I think their products are second rate compared to other products in the same price range. Your statement is at best a lie and at worst slander. You are free to speak for yourself, but you are not free to group everybody else under your opinion. The simple fact that they DO have such high sales rates proves you are absolutely wrong in speaking "universally." -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org Remove .spamnot to respond by email Let's see: Does that mean Tide is a second-rate laundry detergent? Is milk as advertised by the American Dairy Council a "second rate" product? Is Charmin a second-rate toilet tissue? Is Red Lobster a second-rate chain of seafood restaurants? [Name a better national sea food restaurant chain - You cannot] You're just another drug store audiophool cowboy who detests Bose because they are the largest and most successful marketer of speakers and audio equipment in the world. I don't detest them for being big and successful. I don't like the way they sue people including hobby mags for talking about 6th order bandpass designs. I think they use some of the cheapest component drivers on the market and charge the highest possible price for them. They spend more on advertising because they MAKE MORE MONEY than any other company. If you knew anything about marketing and advertising, which you do not, you would know their advertising to sales ratio is actually lower than most of their competitors, like Polk Audio, The Harman Group, and Pioneer, just to drop a few names. Advertising to sales ratio is simply a measure of what percentage of their overall sales revenue is reinvested in advertising. Bose spends a lot because they sell a lot! Bose sells a lot because they make quality, good sounding products that people buy, precisely because they are quality, good sounding products. The Big Cheese You have your opinion and most people who consider themselves audiophiles have a different one. Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. Almost everybody making speakers makes some kid of small sub/sat speaker system, NHT, Boston Acoustics, many others. Bose is pricey because they spend a fortune on advertising, it's really not anything to do with the quality of their products which are almost universally looked upon as second rate. |
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![]() "Dave" wrote in message ink.net... Hmmmmm.... I deal with pro audio...... Bose, no highs, no lows. I have the 901's. While they do lack the low punch, they have a well-balanced sound. I also do not listen to rock. My heart in in fine shape, thank you, and I don't need heavy bass music to keep it pumping. -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org Remove .spamnot to respond by email Their products are way to expensive for what you get. I would go with something else. |
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![]() "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ... "Angie" wrote in message ... Thanks much to all who replied with very helpful information. At least now I know where to start. :-) Btw, the folks who provided websites, BIG thank you! Saves me a lot of trouble hunting. Apologies to the first few posters. I didn't mean to get people fighting over this. I'm not an audio expert; I just know what I like and what doesn't not appeal to me. Bose just cost a tad more than what I felt I'd pay for it. No reason, logic or techie stuff to back it. Just a gut feel. :-) Thanks again. aK. It is an opinion NG after all. It seems the Big Cheesehead is a fan of their products. Then why do you insist on speaking for everyone? You want to give your own personal opinion, that is fine. Just refrain from speaking for me in the future. I am perfectly capable of giving my own opinion and so is everybody else on this NG. The bottom line as always with audio, is get what YOU like. That doesn't fit with your opinion on everybody elses opinion. Your opinion is that Bose is not worth the money, therefore, since you dislike Bose and speak for everyone else, then Angie must dislike Bose also. -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org Remove .spamnot to respond by email "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. |
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![]() "Mike Dobony" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ink.net... Hmmmmm.... I deal with pro audio...... Bose, no highs, no lows. I have the 901's. While they do lack the low punch, they have a well-balanced sound. I also do not listen to rock. My heart in in fine shape, thank you, and I don't need heavy bass music to keep it pumping. To the person who filed an abuse report on me for a mudged return address, I'll bet you get LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of spam. Is that why you use Spamcop? I used to get a lot also until I added .spamnot to my return address. If you would read my signature you will see how to send me legitimate private mail. Others can easily reach me. If you notice this is a common solution to prevent email address farmers who use automated address retrievers from getting your address and sending you lots of ads for dating services, mail order brides, "manhood enlargements," university deplomas, spetic tank cleaners, etc. Now I don't get any to the address that you need to modify to send to me. -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org Remove .spamnot to respond by email |
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Acoustic Energy Aego. Stereo and 5.1 systems are available.
http://www.aslgroup.com/ae/index.htm "Angie" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been "borrowing" the Bose Acoustimas 6 for some time while sharing an apartment but I'm moving to my own place next week so I'm thinking about getting a similar setup. While I don't really have any major complaints about the BA6, I find it rather pricey. Does anyone know of other products in that category but has a lower price tag? Will be using this for both my TV and stereo. I listen to Jazz & Techno(yes, weird mix) quite a lot with other stuff thrown in occassionally (absolutely no country!). A little more solid, low bass would be nice. Thank you very much. aK. |
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