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So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men
knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? It's a simple question. Please answer yes or no. Andre Jute HImself. In glorious Technicolor. (1) I don't actually know as I haven't read your posts beyond the first par. You don't write well enough, and you aren't intrinsically interesting enough, to hold my attention when you go on beyond a soundbite or at most two. |
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![]() Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. I expect a modern Audi would entirely trash an old muscle car's performance. Graham |
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![]() "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. Interesting. Were the oldies on modern tires? I know very little about cars, but I know many people heavily involved in motor racing and I've heard countless times that modern tire technology is really the single biggest advancement that has contributed to faster lap times. Also, at least in F1, 2 seconds per lap is forever and millions (if not tens of millions) in sponsorhip money. Cheers, Margaret |
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![]() "Margaret von B." wrote: "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. Interesting. Were the oldies on modern tires? Preumably. These are cars that were in daily use. I know very little about cars, but I know many people heavily involved in motor racing and I've heard countless times that modern tire technology is really the single biggest advancement that has contributed to faster lap times. Not really to that extent on road cars. F1 etc is very different. Also, at least in F1, 2 seconds per lap is forever and millions (if not tens of millions) in sponsorhip money. Sure. Different game. Bear in mind that the vehicles that these 2 old classics beat by ~ 2 secs were just modern 'everyday' vehicles including a delivery van. Today's hot cars were streets ahead. Graham |
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![]() "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. **I may just do so, though the old Phase III was a pretty capable grand tourer. It proved to be phenomenally reliable in endurance races. It is the most sought after Australian manufactured car. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. I expect a modern Audi would entirely trash an old muscle car's performance. **Not as much as you'd think. The Phase III HO (Ford Falcon GTHO Phase III) was a pretty serious car in it's day. The fastest 4 door production sedan on the planet. Even now, it's no slouch. The engine developed 280kW right off the showroom floor. 160kph (100MPH) would come up in less than 15 seconds. Top speed was around 250kph. Suspension (such as it was) ensured that it could actually go 'round corners respectably well, though certainly without much in the way of refinement. I imagine that if fitted with modern rubber, it could do the job pretty well, albeit rather harshly. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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![]() Pooh Bear wrote: Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. The question was posed to Oinkerton, not to you, Poopie. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. Why should that surprise anyone? The entire suspension system of modern cars is so much better developed, and front-drive now so prevalent, that such a result is predictable. In fact, I signalled my answer to this numbingly predictable response twice in the *thread title*, with "Cart-Sprung" and again with "Old-Style". I expect a modern Audi would entirely trash an old muscle car's performance. Why is everyone so keen to prove the obvious, that modern cars are faster than old cars, just because I say a Ford GTHO was fast forty years ago? You guys are like bantam cocks, your hackles always up. Graham Andre Jute |
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![]() Andre Jute wrote: Pooh Bear wrote: Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. The question was posed to Oinkerton, not to you, Poopie. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. Why should that surprise anyone? The entire suspension system of modern cars is so much better developed, and front-drive now so prevalent, that such a result is predictable. In fact, I signalled my answer to this numbingly predictable response twice in the *thread title*, with "Cart-Sprung" and again with "Old-Style". I expect a modern Audi would entirely trash an old muscle car's performance. Why is everyone so keen to prove the obvious, that modern cars are faster than old cars, just because I say a Ford GTHO was fast forty years ago? You guys are like bantam cocks, your hackles always up. Your obsession with old technology in all its forms is almost endearing. Graham |
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![]() Margaret von B. wrote: "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. Interesting. Were the oldies on modern tires? I know very little about cars, but I know many people heavily involved in motor racing and I've heard countless times that modern tire technology is really the single biggest advancement that has contributed to faster lap times. Technology from the lower classes of racing filters down to road tires eventually but in this case the test would have been crook if the older cars were not on the originally specified tyres. You see, suspension design, or fine-tuning of an inherited design, starts with the available tyres to be specified for the car. Modern tires are better than those fifteen years ago but it is the rest of the suspension in which huge strides has been made. (Technically, the tyre is part of the suspension -- the whole concept is a continuum.) Better roadholding in any class of car, decade on decade, is also accounted for by specified tyre widths creeping up incrementally; a key thing to watch out for is that a fraction of a milimetre wider contact patch, caused by better carcass construction in a tyre of apparently the same nominal width, as a percentage can make a very big difference to that tiny patch through which every aspect of automobile behaviour is controlled. Thus very small changes in tyres can have a huge effect on lap times. Also, newer cars are often front-wheel drive, which is a help on the curves of a track. Also, at least in F1, 2 seconds per lap is forever and millions (if not tens of millions) in sponsorhip money. Apples and oranges. Grand prix racing is on slicks. Even in the present interregnum, when grooved tyres are enforced (a rule already changed -- they're going back to slicks), the tyres were stratospherically specialized. That technology is too rarified to filter down directly or quickly. The recent upsets in F1 were caused by problems in the Bridgestone compound but that is a difficulty specific to the F1 stickiness/heat dispersion paradigm. In passenger tyres, which have to last longer than c400 miles (or c70 miles now that tire changes are returning to F1), the compound is a solved problem with only refinements foreseen; larger strides are expected in carcass construction and some development of tread pattern remains likely. However, in fifteen years even small incremental improvements can add us substantially. HTH. Andre Jute |
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![]() Andre Jute wrote: Grand prix racing is on slicks. Blimey ! You can't even get that right. How long have those grooves been there ? Graham |
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![]() Pooh Bear wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Grand prix racing is on slicks. Blimey ! You can't even get that right. How long have those grooves been there ? Graham Here we have an excellent example of what was wrong with British education under the socialist wreckers. This "Graham" is Graham Stevenson who posts as "Pooh Bear" and is known on several newsgroups as Poopie for his propensity to soil himself. He was "educated" in an inner city ghetto trade school jumped up to a university department by executive fiat and had his ticket punched so that he has a diploma to brag about. He goes around calling himself an "engineer" even though his knowledge of electronics is less than that of the lowest grade of American Navy technician. But Stevens's mentality, his intelligence, and his grasp of English is of such a mediocre standard that he can only hold one simple idea in his mind at once, and that only tenuously. Here's what I wrote: Grand prix racing is on slicks. Even in the present interregnum, when grooved tyres are enforced (a rule already changed -- they're going back to slicks) to which Graham "Poopie" Stevenson responds with utter incomphresion: Blimey ! You can't even get that right. How long have those grooves been there ? Let me give it to you in language for morons and in soundbites you can consume one at a time in your own time, Poop. 1. Grand prix racing is traditionally on slicks. 2. There is a brief interlude in which grooved tires are mandated. 3. The rule has already been changed. 4. They're going back to racing on slicks. 5. Grand prix racing is traditionally on slicks. 6. The brief period of racing on grooves is merely an interlude. 7. They're going back to racing on slicks. Got it now? Want me to say over and over again in different words? "Interegnum" means all of that to those with adequate educations. But take care not to steal a word you don't understand and perhaps make even more of a fool of yourself by using it ineptly. HTH. The rest of you, be kind to Poopie. He can't help being inferior. A wicked government did it to him by, contrary to the observable truth, encouraging him to believe that he is as good as any man. Andre Jute |
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![]() Andre Jute wrote: Pooh Bear wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Grand prix racing is on slicks. Blimey ! You can't even get that right. How long have those grooves been there ? Graham Here we have an excellent example of what was wrong with British education under the socialist wreckers. That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! This "Graham" is Graham Stevenson who posts as "Pooh Bear" and is known on several newsgroups as Poopie for his propensity to soil himself. He was "educated" in an inner city ghetto trade school jumped up to a university department by executive fiat and had his ticket punched so that he has a diploma to brag about. He goes around calling himself an "engineer" even though his knowledge of electronics is less than that of the lowest grade of American Navy technician. You're a know-nothing jerk Joot. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! Graham |
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![]() "Poopie Bear" That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! ** You're a know-nothing jerk - Graham Stevenson. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! ....... Phil |
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![]() Pooh Bear wrote: That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! For our colonial friends I should point out that a British 'public school' is actually a private one ( traditionally of high academic achievement ) ! Your 'public school' is called a State school in the UK. Graham |
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![]() Phil Allison wrote: "Poopie Bear" That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! ** You're a know-nothing jerk - Graham Stevenson. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! I know you're just jealous Phil. Graham |
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"Poopie Bear" That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! ** You're a know-nothing jerk - Graham Stevenson. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! Boys, boys, Boys! It's always sad when two of the more technically-adept posters around, are at each other's throats. |
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![]() Arny Krueger wrote: "Phil Allison" wrote in message "Poopie Bear" That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! ** You're a know-nothing jerk - Graham Stevenson. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! Boys, boys, Boys! It's always sad when two of the more technically-adept posters around, are at each other's throats. Are there not at least 3 ppl of "uncompleted personal constructions" all talking not a jot about tube craft ? Patrick Turner. |
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![]() "Arny Krueger" It's always sad when two of the more technically-adept posters around, are at each other's throats. ** That is not the way it is. Stevenson is a monstrous charlatan and a criminal libeller. Same as Dorsey. Same as Rivers. Same as all your adopted pals. I am not one. ......... Phil |
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On 29 Dec 2005 13:45:43 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? Actually, what I claimed was that you had done no such thing, and I stated as an observable fact that my little Audi is comprehensively faster than a '71 Falcon GTHO. It's a simple question. Please answer yes or no. Yes. Police non-action permitting, of course.............. Andre Jute HImself. In glorious Technicolor. (1) I don't actually know as I haven't read your posts beyond the first par. You don't write well enough, and you aren't intrinsically interesting enough, to hold my attention when you go on beyond a soundbite or at most two. Jute, you pathetic liar, you are so self-obsessed that you won't have missed a single word, in case you were mentioned.................. BTW, I don't need lessons in writing from a failed hack such as you. Also, it's noticeable that only those with no rational argument resort to schoolyard names like 'Pinkothicko' and 'PinkoStinko', due to a general lack of flair and imagination. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:43:00 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote: "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Andre Jute wrote: So, PinkoStinko, you claim, in the thread "The fantasies of little men knackered" and perhaps elsewhere (1) that from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin in the Northern Territory your little Audi can beat the ton-up average of a forty-year old Ford Falcon GTHO? I reckon it would be a dead cert actually. **I may just do so, though the old Phase III was a pretty capable grand tourer. It proved to be phenomenally reliable in endurance races. It is the most sought after Australian manufactured car. No problem with that, I mostly just think that Jute is as ever just making it up about his claimed Adelaide-Darwin-Adelaide run. However, given that the Audi will cruise all day in air-conditioned comfort at 220 klicks, with only stops for fuel required, I don't see much of a contest. UK motoring magazine 5th Gear recently ran a couple of 15 ? yr old classics - a BMW M3 and a Lancia Delta Turbo HF Integrale round their preferred track. They were fun to drive but only actually a second or two faster thana Ford Ka and a Transit van. I expect a modern Audi would entirely trash an old muscle car's performance. **Not as much as you'd think. The Phase III HO (Ford Falcon GTHO Phase III) was a pretty serious car in it's day. The fastest 4 door production sedan on the planet. Even now, it's no slouch. The engine developed 280kW right off the showroom floor. 160kph (100MPH) would come up in less than 15 seconds. Top speed was around 250kph. Suspension (such as it was) ensured that it could actually go 'round corners respectably well, though certainly without much in the way of refinement. I imagine that if fitted with modern rubber, it could do the job pretty well, albeit rather harshly. I get the same or better performance with 100kW less power, with vastly better cornering, braking and traction. Of course, you'd hope to achieve *something* in 35 years! :-) OTOH, Graham did say *a* modern Audi. Consider the RS6, much more the modern equivalent of the Falcon GTHO...................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On 29 Dec 2005 17:27:22 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
Also, newer cars are often front-wheel drive, which is a help on the curves of a track. You really do know sod all about vehicle dynamics, Jute. That howler says it all. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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![]() "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Boys, boys, Boys! The craving sets in... Scary. |
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![]() Cacaphiliac Phillison said: I am not one. Rather than leave that thought dangling, Caca, tell us what you think you are. It's not enough to say you're "not one" because each of the rest of us can easily identify a common type of human that you're definitely not. So be a good little pit-bull and tell us what you believe you are. |
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![]() "George M. Middiarse" ** What a pong. Phew. Makes ya wanna puke ...... .......... Phil |
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![]() Arny Krueger wrote: "Phil Allison" wrote in message "Poopie Bear" That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! ** You're a know-nothing jerk - Graham Stevenson. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! Boys, boys, Boys! It's always sad when two of the more technically-adept posters around, are at each other's throats. Being 'mauled' by Allison is not unlike having a fluffy bunny have a go at you ! It's even funnier when he's shown to have his facts wrong. I think he's jealous 'cos his designs haven't made it into volume manufacture, unlike my own. Graham |
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"Pooh Bear" wrote
... should point out that a British 'public school' is actually a private one ( traditionally of high academic achievement ) ! Some are, some aren't. The difference was mainly the ability to bribe universities. Now all schools cheat systematically so class is the sole selection criterion for the few remaining real HE institutions. Mass education in the traditional sense is no longer desirable for capitalist "democracy". cheers, Ian |
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![]() "Pooh Bear" = Graham Stevenson , the vilest pommy turd after Phildo. = congenital charlatan and know nothing autistic prick. = an unemployable, useless pile of puke. ......... Phil |
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![]() Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On 29 Dec 2005 17:27:22 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: Also, newer cars are often front-wheel drive, which is a help on the curves of a track. You really do know sod all about vehicle dynamics, Jute. That howler says it all. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering You want to go sideways and spin off your power in tyre scrub, that's entirely up to you. Check the BTCC laptimes. They're FWD cars. Andre Jute |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:16:49 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: Also, it's noticeable that only those with no rational argument resort to schoolyard names like 'Pinkothicko' and 'PinkoStinko', due to a general lack of flair and imagination. That's pretty "vile" alright. |
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On 30 Dec 2005 06:54:51 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On 29 Dec 2005 17:27:22 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: Also, newer cars are often front-wheel drive, which is a help on the curves of a track. You really do know sod all about vehicle dynamics, Jute. That howler says it all. You want to go sideways and spin off your power in tyre scrub, that's entirely up to you. Check the BTCC laptimes. They're FWD cars. Of course they are, you dickhead, because (a) almost all current small/medium production cars are FWD (b) RWD BTCC cars carry a 100kg handicap. Consider why that is..... No serious racing car is anything other than RWD, and almost always mid-engined (the Panoz being an honourable exception at Le Mans). As ever, you are trying to cover your ignorance of vehicle dynamics, same as you always try to cover your ignorance of tube amp design. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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![]() Andre Jute wrote: I advised them to take the factory's "police special" brakes and not to bother with the "police special" engine Hah ! Even the Bluesmobile had the 'cop motor' ! Graham |
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![]() "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Arny Krueger wrote: "Phil Allison" wrote in message "Poopie Bear" That's very funny seeing as a I went to a private 'prep school' followed by the 2nd oldest public school in the UK ! ** You're a know-nothing jerk - Graham Stevenson. A pompous, bigoted, self-opinionated, upper-class-twit, know-nothing jerk in fact ! Boys, boys, Boys! It's always sad when two of the more technically-adept posters around, are at each other's throats. Being 'mauled' by Allison is not unlike having a fluffy bunny have a go at you ! You obviously haven't seen Monty Python and The Holy Grail. :-) It's even funnier when he's shown to have his facts wrong. I think he's jealous 'cos his designs haven't made it into volume manufacture, unlike my own. Does the stuff he designs actually work? |
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![]() "Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Pooh Bear" = Graham Stevenson , the vilest pommy turd after Phildo. = congenital charlatan and know nothing autistic prick. = an unemployable, useless pile of puke. ........ Phil Could Phil be antother of the Jute sockpuppets? |
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![]() dave weil said: Also, it's noticeable that only those with no rational argument resort to schoolyard names like 'Pinkothicko' and 'PinkoStinko', due to a general lack of flair and imagination. That's pretty "vile" alright. Uh-oh. Is Stewart about to "gorge" himself on hypocrisy yet again? |
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![]() "George M. Middius" wrote: dave weil said: Also, it's noticeable that only those with no rational argument resort to schoolyard names like 'Pinkothicko' and 'PinkoStinko', due to a general lack of flair and imagination. That's pretty "vile" alright. Uh-oh. Is Stewart about to "gorge" himself on hypocrisy yet again? Just out of curiosity Middius...... Do you actually ever post anything about audio or are your posts exclusively personal insults ? Graham |
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![]() George M. Middius wrote: dave weil said: Also, it's noticeable that only those with no rational argument resort to schoolyard names like 'Pinkothicko' and 'PinkoStinko', due to a general lack of flair and imagination. That's pretty "vile" alright. Uh-oh. Is Stewart about to "gorge" himself on hypocrisy yet again? If irony killed. ScottW |
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![]() Poopie whined: Just out of curiosity Middius...... Do you actually ever post anything about audio or are your posts exclusively personal insults ? You first, Poophead. |
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![]() "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... It's always sad when two of the more technically-adept posters around, are at each other's throats. Zelniker alert! -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:45:06 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote: Andre Jute wrote: I advised them to take the factory's "police special" brakes and not to bother with the "police special" engine Hah ! Even the Bluesmobile had the 'cop motor' ! Give Jute time - by New Year he'll be claiming that his Falcon was the one they borrowed to use in Mad Max................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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![]() Andre Jute wrote: Here we have the ne plus ultra of childishness. It's called top-posting you useless git. Graham |
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![]() Pukey & Jooty, sittin' in a tree.... Stewart Pinkerton claims he will do it in his little pink Audi TT shopping trolley. I did it in a big Ford GTHO designed tough to survive on that road; the GTHO was so wrecked after I did it a second time that the leasing company refused to take it back and it was scrapped. (Fortunately it wasn't my car...) Typical Jute lies, sdince he never actually did this run at all. BTW, you dumb cluck, it's not a TT. Is this piccie representative of the older of the two gentleman's saloons in question? http://www.cia.com.au/seale/xygt1.jpg Whatever else one might think of such a car, even a lilac-colored Audi is better looking. BTW, Pinkie, can you point us to a depiction of your car? The A3 doesn't seem to come with anything like "lilac" currently: http://ak4-uk.audi.co.uk/controller....page=&v_a y=0 |