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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction:
"Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote: : On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: : : Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick : Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures : and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design : contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful : meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing. : : I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic : self-aggrandisement. I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages. You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with your silicon crap. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge. Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant of audio design as of everything else. It turned out that, before you could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns. Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and shiny...) After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented, and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for the contest... After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback, your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you made and agreed to. You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of exchanges about it. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime. ****** Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight published my own simple, straightforward silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his rash promises. My entire love affair with silicon, including drilling the box, took an afternoon with plenty of sunlight left to cycle my favourite country lanes. You can read about it at Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ in the section 'CAN A TRANSISTOR BE MADE TO SOUND LIKE TUBE AMP?' or by going directly to: http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm and http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm and you can see the schematic and photo in these three illustrations http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...20mGBschem.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20mGBmatr.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20NoBleed.jpg We still cannot see the Oinkerton Challenger anywhere, because even it's 'designer', the incompetent and undiscriminating Pinkerton, wouldn't waste his time building such a crappy 'design'. I'm playing my miniGainBrick Zip right now... ***** : And I'm not called Thicko at all, not be anyone : with a functioning brain.......... You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by everyone. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, running rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics. I describe the etymology of Pinkothicko in a contemporaneous post. : Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering That explains everything about one of the most rigid railroad minds on the net, which is really saying something on the audio engineering conferences. Andre Jute Interdisciplinarian Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by everyone. False claim. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, False claim. running False claim. rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice False claim and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics. False claim. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
Arny Krueger's dull dittohead reply consists entirely of the words "false claim" repeated over and over like a mantra, as if by saying it often enough he can make someone believe it. So let's see what he is trying to hide from us: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by everyone. False claim. How is it false, Arny? It may be hyperbolic, in that you are the last person on earth not to realize that Pinko is Thicko, but your humourless insistence on only the precise lowest common denominator fresher-textbook meaning of the words doesn't detract from the fact that the majority now think Pinko is Thicko. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, False claim. Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer of muzak gear. running False claim. Making a dittohead pejorative stand is not the same as a reasoned defence of your organ grinder's monkey, Pinkothicko. You're still running away into obscurity, Arny. Probably wise,considering that his behaviour and ignorance and lies are all indefensible, but nonetheless cowardly and treacherous. rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice False claim You mean that lie you told about the bad advice not being from Pinkothicko? Let's generously give you this one, Arny: You told a lie in defence of your organ grinder's monkey. and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics. False claim. My case is proven. You have made no attempt to defend your monkey Pinkerton by demonstating that he knows anything at all about electronics. Shouting "ditto, ditto", dittohead, doesn't make you a genius, dittohead, it makes you and easy target. Here's a challenge, Arny, dear. Demonstrate that the egregious Pinkerton isn't a fool and we'll believe once again that you aren't a fool for having been fooled by him so long. We should note that I wasn't fooled for a minute. The first time Pinkerton tried to cuddle up to my ankles I kicked out his front teeth. (1) Pinkerton was Arny's sidekick for years on end. That doesn't say much for Arny's knowledge either. Andre Jute (1) In a year or two I shall post the same message about the latest anklenipper on RAT, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous muzak reproduction designer -- and then everyone except Arny, who will dittohead me a liar as above because a year or two is far too short for Arny to have a new idea, will claim to have known all along the fellow was scum. Here's my complete post that Arny cut because he doesn't want you to see the shameful details of the his monkey Pinkerton's humiliation: Andre Jute wrote: This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction: "Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote: : On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: : : Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick : Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures : and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design : contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful : meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing. : : I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic : self-aggrandisement. I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages. You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with your silicon crap. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge. Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant of audio design as of everything else. It turned out that, before you could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns. Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and shiny...) After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented, and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for the contest... After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback, your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you made and agreed to. You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of exchanges about it. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime. ****** Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight published my own simple, straightforward silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his rash promises. My entire love affair with silicon, including drilling the box, took an afternoon with plenty of sunlight left to cycle my favourite country lanes. You can read about it at Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ in the section 'CAN A TRANSISTOR BE MADE TO SOUND LIKE TUBE AMP?' or by going directly to: http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm and http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm and you can see the schematic and photo in these three illustrations http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...20mGBschem.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20mGBmatr.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20NoBleed.jpg We still cannot see the Oinkerton Challenger anywhere, because even it's 'designer', the incompetent and undiscriminating Pinkerton, wouldn't waste his time building such a crappy 'design'. I'm playing my miniGainBrick Zip right now... ***** : And I'm not called Thicko at all, not be anyone : with a functioning brain.......... You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by everyone. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, running rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics. I describe the etymology of Pinkothicko in a contemporaneous post. : Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering That explains everything about one of the most rigid railroad minds on the net, which is really saying something on the audio engineering conferences. Andre Jute Interdisciplinarian Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com Arny Krueger's dull dittohead reply consists entirely of the words "false claim" repeated over and over like a mantra, as if by saying it often enough he can make someone believe it. So let's see what he is trying to hide from us: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by everyone. False claim. How is it false, Arny? It may be hyperbolic, in that you are the last person on earth not to realize that Pinko is Thicko, but your humourless insistence on only the precise lowest common denominator fresher-textbook meaning of the words doesn't detract from the fact that the majority now think Pinko is Thicko. So that's your defense Jute, you can't write and say what you mean? Weak. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, False claim. Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer of muzak gear. Both good guys who are technically solid. Andre, if you believed in God and died and went to heaven, then maybe God would let you sit at their feet and learn what you need to know about electronics. running False claim. Making a dittohead pejorative stand is not the same as a reasoned defence of your organ grinder's monkey, Pinkothicko. I don't recognize that name, Pinkothicko. Sorry. You're still running away into obscurity, Arny. Probably wise,considering that his behaviour and ignorance and lies are all indefensible, but nonetheless cowardly and treacherous. rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice False claim You mean that lie you told about the bad advice not being from Pinkothicko? I don't recognize that name, Pinkothicko. Sorry. Let's generously give you this one, Arny: You told a lie in defence of your organ grinder's monkey. Saying what one knows to be a fact is hardly lying. and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics. False claim. My case is proven. You have made no attempt to defend your monkey Pinkerton by demonstating that he knows anything at all about electronics. Mir Pinkerton has amply demonstrated over the years that he knows quite a bit about electronics in general and audio in particular. Shouting "ditto, ditto", dittohead, doesn't make you a genius, dittohead, it makes you and easy target. Where did I say "ditto, ditto"? I didn't. Sorry Jute, you lose! Here's a challenge, Arny, dear. Demonstrate that the egregious Pinkerton isn't a fool and we'll believe once again that you aren't a fool for having been fooled by him so long. I don't recognize that name, egregious Pinkerton . Sorry. We should note that I wasn't fooled for a minute. The first time Pinkerton tried to cuddle up to my ankles I kicked out his front teeth. (1) Pinkerton was Arny's sidekick for years on end. That doesn't say much for Arny's knowledge either. False claim. I consider Mr. Pinkerton to be at least a peer. Andre Jute (1) In a year or two I shall post the same message about the latest anklenipper on RAT, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous muzak reproduction designer -- and then everyone except Arny, who will dittohead me a liar as above because a year or two is far too short for Arny to have a new idea, will claim to have known all along the fellow was scum. Note that I nowhere in this post did I call Jute a liar. It appears that Mr. Jute is significantly reading-challenged or has some kind of acute perceptual difficulties. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
In article .com, "Andre
Jute" wrote: Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer of muzak gear. The silicon muzak gear was all junk with poor sonics, the truly great muzak gear was the tube stuff, I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ |
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Goofball, beware!
John Byrns said: I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. I'll bet that's an amp that could kill a Goofball. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
In article , Jon Yaeger
wrote: in article , John Byrns at wrote on 12/8/05 2:48 PM: In article .com, "Andre Jute" wrote: Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer of muzak gear. The silicon muzak gear was all junk with poor sonics, the truly great muzak gear was the tube stuff, I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ If Muzak, as used here, was transmitted on an SCA carrier, wasn't the sonic range rather limited -- even with a "perfect" amplifier? That came later, muzak as I am using it was transmitted on Ma Bell's phone wires using much Western Electric equipment along the way between the muzak tape players in the downtown muzak office and the supermarket in the suburbs. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ |
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If you believed in God
"Arny Krueger" wrote Andre, if you believed in God and died and went to heaven, then maybe God would let you sit at their feet "their feet"... remind me, just how many pair of feet does God have/need?  Sound like a lot of work just to get an answer... "believe in God and died and went to heaven." But its nice knowing that you already know God's mind without going throught the evolutions yourself. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction: "Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote: : On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: : : Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick : Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures : and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design : contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful : meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing. : : I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic : self-aggrandisement. I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages. You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with your silicon crap. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge. Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant of audio design as of everything else. It turned out that, before you could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns. Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and shiny...) After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented, and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for the contest... After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback, your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you made and agreed to. You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of exchanges about it. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime. ****** Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight published my own simple, straightforward silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his rash promises. Having read posts from Stewart for roughly 10 years, there is nothing in that time to even hint at him being outmatched regarding audio electronics. Give a thread name or some sort of way to search for the thread(s) that all this conflict took place in. Whatever offenses you rightly or wrongly beleive that Mr. Pinkerton has comitted, you are not serving yourself well by all the attack threads you have initiated here. |
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If you believed in God
"Powell" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote Andre, if you believed in God and died and went to heaven, then maybe God would let you sit at their feet "their feet"... remind me, just how many pair of feet does God have/need? Sound like a lot of work just to get an answer... "believe in God and died and went to heaven." But its nice knowing that you already know God's mind without going throught the evolutions yourself. That does not seem to follow from what I said. |
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Goofball, beware!
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:00:36 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: John Byrns said: I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. I'll bet that's an amp that could kill a Goofball. Not if I get to hit it with my handbag first. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
The Bug Eater continues to slobber over Pukey's hindquarters. Having read posts from Stewart for roughly 10 years, there is nothing in that time to even hint at him being outmatched regarding audio electronics. Nobody asked you, idiot. Actually, it's no surprise you adore Stinky Pukerton. We already know of your surreal devotion to the monstrous Arnii Kroofeces. Given™ that you're twisted enough to fall in love with Mr. ****, a similar obscene fixation on Lord Pukey is hardly™ a surprise. In the meantime, go scarf some beetles with hot sauce. |
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Goofball, beware!
Goofy said: I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. I'll bet that's an amp that could kill a Goofball. Not if I get to hit it with my handbag first. You're scary, note. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
John Byrns wrote: In article .com, "Andre Jute" wrote: Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer of muzak gear. The silicon muzak gear was all junk with poor sonics, the truly great muzak gear was the tube stuff, I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. Having actually worked on Muzak gear all I can say is, "you must be joking". The single ended amp I remember was one that used a single 7591 or some such and was suitable for emulating a Fender Champ pretty well if you did some rewiring. The push-pull amps were a lot like the vast majority of utility grade amps such as Newcombs, Websters, Bogens, etc. using catalog Stancor or Thordarson OPTs of no special merit. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... ..good guy false claim technically solid false calim believed in God false claim died most unfortunately a false calim went to heaven impossible claim |
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Goofball, beware!
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:22:00 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: Goofy said: I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. I'll bet that's an amp that could kill a Goofball. Not if I get to hit it with my handbag first. You're scary, note. Why, thank you, George |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... **** for brains Middius thinks his view of things matters The Bug Eater continues to slobber over Pukey's hindquarters. Having read posts from Stewart for roughly 10 years, there is nothing in that time to even hint at him being outmatched regarding audio electronics. Nobody asked you, idiot. Nobody asked you either Queenie. Actually, it's no surprise you adore Stinky Pukerton. I don't adore anybody here, but some people I do respect. You're not one of them. We already know of your surreal devotion to the monstrous Arnii Kroofeces. GivenT that you're twisted enough to fall in love with Mr. ****, a similar obscene fixation on Lord Pukey is hardlyT a surprise. "hardlyT" ???? Off your meds? In the meantime, go scarf some beetles with hot sauce. Have some Kibbles and ****s for yourself. |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction: "Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote: : On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: : : Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick : Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures : and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design : contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful : meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing. : : I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic : self-aggrandisement. I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages. You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with your silicon crap. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge. Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant of audio design as of everything else. It turned out that, before you could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns. Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and shiny...) After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented, and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for the contest... After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback, your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you made and agreed to. You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of exchanges about it. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime. ****** Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight published my own simple, straightforward silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his rash promises. Having read posts from Stewart for roughly 10 years, there is nothing in that time to even hint at him being outmatched regarding audio electronics. That tells us everything we need to know about your level of electronics skill and discrimination. Give a thread name or some sort of way to search for the thread(s) that all this conflict took place in. You cut all the references I gave, and now you demand more? Aren't you the same hapless, helpless twerp I gave dates to yesterday? Go look them up! You quoted a few posts but did not give the thread names or any context other than your own ravings. It seems quite likely, given you rants here that it wsa you who initiated whatever beating Stewart gave you. Whatever offenses you rightly or wrongly beleive that Mr. Pinkerton has comitted, you are not serving yourself well by all the attack threads you have initiated here. We're still having a misunderstanding. While I offer you information from a sense of noblesse oblige, it would be an impertinent mistake for you to conclude it is a two-way street. I think that is fairly obvious. I am hardly so careless of good sense as to seek advice on how to conduct myself from the flotsam and jetsam on the net, and I certainly will not accept any that is gratuitously offered. Save your breath. I was simply pointing out to you how raving, ad hominem, name calling attacks to sane people. This is apparently lost on you. BTW, since none of it took place here and since Stewart rarely posts here, why dump this crap here? Perhaps I just answered my own question. :-( |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
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Ludwig" wrote: John Byrns wrote: In article .com, "Andre Jute" wrote: Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer of muzak gear. The silicon muzak gear was all junk with poor sonics, the truly great muzak gear was the tube stuff, I have a muzak single ended amplifier using one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier. Having actually worked on Muzak gear all I can say is, "you must be joking". The single ended amp I remember was one that used a single 7591 or some such and was suitable for emulating a Fender Champ pretty well if you did some rewiring. The push-pull amps were a lot like the vast majority of utility grade amps such as Newcombs, Websters, Bogens, etc. using catalog Stancor or Thordarson OPTs of no special merit. I said my muzak amp uses an RCA output tube, the 6V6 in particular, not a Westinghouse tube such as the 7591 which has a transistor like sound. The output transformer is very robust compared with the typical single ended 6V6 output transformer. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ |
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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor
On 8 Dec 2005 08:41:21 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction: "Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote: : On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: : : Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick : Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures : and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design : contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful : meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing. : : I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic : self-aggrandisement. I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages. You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with your silicon crap. Just another typical Jute lie. What I did was point out the numerous flaws in your so-called 'design' process - after sifting through hundreds of lines of your usual turgid prose in search of something approximating actual technical information. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge. You said no such thing, and neither did I. I simply said that a SS amp could be built with a similar transfer curve to your abortion - although with better linearity. In no possible way did I suggest that such a crippled turd (yours or mine) would sound good. That is your personal delusion, certainly not shared by me or by any other competent audio engineer. Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant of audio design as of everything else. Just another typical Jute lie. My design appeared within a few weeks. It turned out that, before you could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns. Just another typical Jute lie. They certainly offered useful advice on their own way of doing things, but since I've been a professional electronics engineer for more than thirty years, *and grew up in an era when tube amps were all we had*, I hardly needed a 'crash course' in amplifier design from either of those guys (no disrespect to either of them). Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and shiny...) You will never be qualified to make any such judgement. After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented, and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for the contest... There *was* no contest, you pathetic old blowhard. And I cheerfully acknowledge that KISASS is piece of **** - it is however a better design than your KISS piece of ****....................... After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback, your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you made and agreed to. Bull****. You're just trying, once again, to lie your way out of being the biggest joke on RAT. You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of exchanges about it. Indeed they can, and in every one of my posts they'll see that no 'contest' was ever acknowledged. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime. You just can't resist these perfect examples of projection, can you? Well of course not - your pathological personality is on display for all to see. ****** Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight published my own simple, straightforward silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his rash promises. Another pathetic lie, as that 'design' was published *long* before you started the 'KISS' posts. We still cannot see the Oinkerton Challenger anywhere, because even it's 'designer', the incompetent and undiscriminating Pinkerton, wouldn't waste his time building such a crappy 'design'. I'm playing my miniGainBrick Zip right now... Bloody right I wouldn't waste my time building anything as crippled as KISASS. it was offered only as a 'minimalist' curiosity for RATters who might be interested in the SS equivalent of a simple SET jobbie. And of course, not even you have actually built KISS. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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