Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

The Bug Eater tries a new "debating trade" tactic -- the transparently loaded
question.

Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

Everything sounds alike to you, Mikey. Shall we talk about you and your morass
of incurable dumbness?




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Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

There are too many other factors for this to be relevant.
Frequency response is only one of many factors.

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Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

And by the way, ABX=NFG

"George Middius" wrote in message
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The Bug Eater tries a new "debating trade" tactic -- the transparently
loaded
question.

Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

Everything sounds alike to you, Mikey.

Well your posts all seem alike. Audio systems have a varienty of different
speakers and sources which frequently sound different.

Shall we talk about you and your morass
of incurable dumbness?

What do you mean we? You seem to talk to yourself and make proclamations
based on your own flawed conclusions.

How about you George? Do think it's possible that when audio equipment
measures closely enough, it's possible that they sond alike?






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"George Middius" wrote in message
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The Bug Eater tries a new "debating trade" tactic -- the transparently
loaded
question.

Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

Everything sounds alike to you, Mikey.

Well your posts all seem alike. Audio systems have a varienty of
different speakers and sources which frequently sound different.

Shall we talk about you and your morass
of incurable dumbness?

What do you mean we? You seem to talk to yourself and make proclamations
based on your own flawed conclusions.

How about you George? Do think it's possible that when audio equipment
measures closely enough, it's possible that they sond alike?

Mikey, why have you always wished I was impotent?

"George Middius" wrote in
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The Bug Eater tries a new "debating trade" tactic -- the
transparently loaded question.

Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1
db across the audible bandwidth would sound alike?

Everything sounds alike to you, Mikey. Shall we talk
about you and your morass of incurable dumbness?

Yet another one of George's desperate attempts to win the
title of "RAO's Meanest Girl".

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"George Middius" wrote in
message
The Bug Eater tries a new "debating trade" tactic -- the
transparently loaded question.

Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1
db across the audible bandwidth would sound alike?

Everything sounds alike to you, Mikey. Shall we talk
about you and your morass of incurable dumbness?

Yet another one of George's desperate attempts to win the title of "RAO's
Meanest Girl".
Desparately trying to stick his fingers in his ears and shout loudly,
lalalalalalalalalalalalalala, in order to drown out any idea that he doesn't
want to deal with.

I'm just trying to see if there's any common ground on the notion that it is
poossible for different brands of gear to sound the same for any reason.

Perhaps there is some number that Ludo feels confident enough about that he
would concede the possibility that things can sound alike when they reach
that level.

BTW, does TN have anything to say about the differences between his
subwoofer research and Harman's that would account for the apparent
differnces in recomendations for placement of subwoofers?

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"George Middius" wrote in
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The Bug Eater tries a new "debating trade" tactic -- the
transparently loaded question.

Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1
db across the audible bandwidth would sound alike?

Everything sounds alike to you, Mikey. Shall we talk
about you and your morass of incurable dumbness?

Yet another one of George's desperate attempts to win the title of "RAO's
Meanest Girl".
Desparately trying to stick his fingers in his ears and shout loudly,
lalalalalalalalalalalalalala, in order to drown out any idea that he
doesn't want to deal with.

Not at all, Mikey. Ludovic has come to the truth of the matter, which is
that ABX=NFG

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Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

No personal experimental evidence but at a guess some would , some
would not. Just like pianos, flutes, violins etc.
Next idiot question.?
Always willing to oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel.

wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

I should add that it all depends who is listening.. To some everything
will sound the same at 20 db difference.
L.M

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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

No personal experimental evidence but at a guess some would , some
would not. Just like pianos, flutes, violins etc.

They're not the same as pianos and flutes or violins, since they depend on
much different factors to get their sound but then you knew that.

Next idiot question.?
Always willing to oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel.

To demonstrate your idiocy? Obviously.

Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

Is there some level of accuracy, that if met by 2 or more components would
make it possible for them to sound the same?

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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

I should add that it all depends who is listening.. To some everything
will sound the same at 20 db difference.
L.M

Because of what?

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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

I should add that it all depends who is listening.. To some everything
will sound the same at 20 db difference.
L.M

Because of what?
You are one such person. You are completely unaware of the richer audio life
experienced by people with better perception.

Robert Morein said to duh-Mikey:

You are completely unaware of the richer audio life
experienced by people with better perception.

That's only the beginning of what duh-Mikey is not aware of. He's too
stupid to grasp the fundamentals of the marketplace. His pea-brain
simply cannot conceive the possibility that some people don't care
whether an amp costs $500 or $5000.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Robert Morein said to duh-Mikey:

So nice that I've killfiled him.

You are completely unaware of the richer audio life
experienced by people with better perception.

And that's one of the reasons why, he keeps repeating the same stupid
****ing lie.


That's only the beginning of what duh-Mikey is not aware of. He's too
stupid to grasp the fundamentals of the marketplace.

Now it's your turn, George the Audio Idiot.

His pea-brain
simply cannot conceive the possibility that some people don't care
whether an amp costs $500 or $5000.

That much is obvious, otherwise they wouldn't make the damn things.
That doesn't mean that people should buy them. People who buy expensive
audio gear are welcome to do it, it's just that they ought to be aware that
they don't get better sound because of it.

This is one of those things that no matter how many ****ing times I repeat
it you act like I never said it. You really are stupider than you want
people to think I am.

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Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.


You are saying that materials and method of construction do not make a
difference in electronics?

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.


You are saying that materials and method of construction do not make a
difference in electronics?

Not in the same way.

Using the same components to build an amp in China won't make it sound
different that one using the same parts in Cleveland, the way it might with
a violin.

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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
news

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Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It
doesn't matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.


You are saying that materials and method of construction do not make a
difference in electronics?

Not in the same way.

Using the same components to build an amp in China won't make it sound
different that one using the same parts in Cleveland, the way it might
with a violin.

It very well might make a difference, and I am not talking climate,
"At least" not in the meteorological sense.

wrote:
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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

No personal experimental evidence but at a guess some would , some
would not. Just like pianos, flutes, violins etc.

They're not the same as pianos and flutes or violins, since they depend on
much different factors to get their sound but then you knew that.

Next idiot question.?
Always willing to oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel.

To demonstrate your idiocy? Obviously.

Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

Is there some level of accuracy, that if met by 2 or more components would
make it possible for them to sound the same?
__________________________________________________ _____________
Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are built.

That must make it a cinch for blind testing expert like you to tell one
Bosendoerfer from another. Especially if you use that method for
recognising subtle differnces that has no superior relative called
ABX..
Will you begin training now? How about something easy to begin with.
ABX test of Yamaha piano vs. a Bosendorfer.
NYOB- at one time a thought you were something like a wasp buzzing
around one's head.
I changed my view now. You start my mornings on the right foot, gaily.
Please, don't quit. Don't let the nasties discourage you. You're my one
and only NYOB, the representative objectivist spokesman.
Long may you thrive waving the chapel's flag
Ludovic Mirabel

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
news
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Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and
are dependent on materials, method of construction,
sometimes even the placce they are built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly
assembled. It doesn't matter if they are made in
German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

You are saying that materials and method of construction
do not make a difference in electronics?

It's a fact that in general, the same materials and the same
methods of construction are available all over the world.

I was recently looking at a piece of complex professional
electronics that has been manufactured in Washington state
for years, but is now made in China. The fit and finish of
the Chinese-made product is superior. Furthermore the
product that was manufactured in Washington is well-known to
have had some serious quality problems that now appear to be
resolved.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
news
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Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and
are dependent on materials, method of construction,
sometimes even the placce they are built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly
assembled. It doesn't matter if they are made in
German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

You are saying that materials and method of construction
do not make a difference in electronics?

It's a fact that in general, the same materials and the same methods of
construction are available all over the world.


That one 'has' the same choices does not mean that
one 'makes' the same choices.

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wrote:
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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

No personal experimental evidence but at a guess some would , some
would not. Just like pianos, flutes, violins etc.

They're not the same as pianos and flutes or violins, since they depend
on
much different factors to get their sound but then you knew that.

Next idiot question.?
Always willing to oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel.

To demonstrate your idiocy? Obviously.

Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

Is there some level of accuracy, that if met by 2 or more components
would
make it possible for them to sound the same?
__________________________________________________ _____________
Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

That must make it a cinch for blind testing expert like you to tell one
Bosendoerfer from another. Especially if you use that method for
recognising subtle differnces that has no superior relative called
ABX..
Will you begin training now? How about something easy to begin with.
ABX test of Yamaha piano vs. a Bosendorfer.
NYOB- at one time a thought you were something like a wasp buzzing
around one's head.
I changed my view now. You start my mornings on the right foot, gaily.
Please, don't quit. Don't let the nasties discourage you. You're my one
and only NYOB, the representative objectivist spokesman.
Long may you thrive waving the chapel's flag
Ludovic Mirabel

I guess this means you can't honestly answer the question, so you're dancing
away from it.

One more time: Is there a level of accuracy that if met, would allow 2 or
more components to sound the same?

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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote in message ...


Robert Morein said to duh-Mikey:

So nice that I've killfiled him.

You are completely unaware of the richer audio life
experienced by people with better perception.

And that's one of the reasons why, he keeps repeating the same stupid
****ing lie.


That's only the beginning of what duh-Mikey is not aware of. He's too
stupid to grasp the fundamentals of the marketplace.

Now it's your turn, George the Audio Idiot.

His pea-brain
simply cannot conceive the possibility that some people don't care
whether an amp costs $500 or $5000.

That much is obvious, otherwise they wouldn't make the damn things.
That doesn't mean that people should buy them. People who buy expensive
audio gear are welcome to do it, it's just that they ought to be aware
that they don't get better sound because of it.

This is one of those things that no matter how many ****ing times I repeat
it you act like I never said it. You really are stupider than you want
people to think I am.

But Mikey, as you are a "special person", with a hearing impairment to boot,
how would you know?
The finer things in life are beyond your ken.

wrote:
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wrote:
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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

No personal experimental evidence but at a guess some would , some
would not. Just like pianos, flutes, violins etc.

They're not the same as pianos and flutes or violins, since they depend
on
much different factors to get their sound but then you knew that.

Next idiot question.?
Always willing to oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel.

To demonstrate your idiocy? Obviously.

Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

Is there some level of accuracy, that if met by 2 or more components
would
make it possible for them to sound the same?
__________________________________________________ _____________
Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

That must make it a cinch for blind testing expert like you to tell one
Bosendoerfer from another. Especially if you use that method for
recognising subtle differnces that has no superior relative called
ABX..
Will you begin training now? How about something easy to begin with.
ABX test of Yamaha piano vs. a Bosendorfer.
NYOB- at one time a thought you were something like a wasp buzzing
around one's head.
I changed my view now. You start my mornings on the right foot, gaily.
Please, don't quit. Don't let the nasties discourage you. You're my one
and only NYOB, the representative objectivist spokesman.
Long may you thrive waving the chapel's flag
Ludovic Mirabel

I guess this means you can't honestly answer the question, so you're dancing
away from it.

One more time: Is there a level of accuracy that if met, would allow 2 or
more components to sound the same?

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..
Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is. Some
won't.
It is still an idiot question.
Ludovic Mirabel

said:

One more time: Is there a level of accuracy that if met, would allow 2 or
more components to sound the same?

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..
Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is. Some
won't.
It is still an idiot question.

If you keep talking like that, you're going to get yourself banned from
all present and future aBxism revival meetings.

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wrote:
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wrote:
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wrote:
Is it possible that audio devices that measure within .1 db across
the
audible bandwidth would sound alike?

No personal experimental evidence but at a guess some would , some
would not. Just like pianos, flutes, violins etc.

They're not the same as pianos and flutes or violins, since they
depend
on
much different factors to get their sound but then you knew that.

Next idiot question.?
Always willing to oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel.

To demonstrate your idiocy? Obviously.

Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent
on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

Audio equipment depend on the parts being properly assembled. It
doesn't
matter if they are made in German, Thailand, China, or Ohio.

Is there some level of accuracy, that if met by 2 or more components
would
make it possible for them to sound the same?
__________________________________________________ _____________
Musical instrument are not the same as electronics and are dependent
on
materials, method of construction, sometimes even the placce they are
built.

That must make it a cinch for blind testing expert like you to tell one
Bosendoerfer from another. Especially if you use that method for
recognising subtle differnces that has no superior relative called
ABX..
Will you begin training now? How about something easy to begin with.
ABX test of Yamaha piano vs. a Bosendorfer.
NYOB- at one time a thought you were something like a wasp buzzing
around one's head.
I changed my view now. You start my mornings on the right foot, gaily.
Please, don't quit. Don't let the nasties discourage you. You're my one
and only NYOB, the representative objectivist spokesman.
Long may you thrive waving the chapel's flag
Ludovic Mirabel

I guess this means you can't honestly answer the question, so you're
dancing
away from it.

One more time: Is there a level of accuracy that if met, would allow 2
or
more components to sound the same?

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..

If you don't know the definition of accuracy as it applies to audio, you're
right, it's an idiot question, but only because I asked an idiot.

Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is.

I'm asking YOU if there's any level of performance that if met by like
components, YOU would agree they should sound the same. Or is it your
contention that all equipment, even the stuff that falls under a certain
degree of performance, sounds different.

Are we disagreeing on the numbers or is it that you simply don't think any 2
components that get compared will ever be indistinguishable?



Some
won't.
It is still an idiot question.

It's a fair question and you are an idiot if yo can't answer it.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


said:

One more time: Is there a level of accuracy that if met, would allow 2
or
more components to sound the same?

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..
Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is. Some
won't.
It is still an idiot question.

If you keep talking like that, you're going to get yourself banned from
all present and future aBxism revival meetings.


Try to keep up George, we're not talking about ABX or even DBT at all. I'm
just trying to figure out if there exists a level of performance that if met
would in your opinion, result in components that sound indentical. If for
example it were possible to build amplifiers that had zero distortion of any
kind and ruller flat frequency response from 10 hz to 50 kHz and completely
inaudible noise, would they both sound the same?

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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote in message ...


said:

One more time: Is there a level of accuracy that if met, would allow
2 or
more components to sound the same?

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..
Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is. Some
won't.
It is still an idiot question.

If you keep talking like that, you're going to get yourself banned from
all present and future aBxism revival meetings.


Try to keep up George, we're not talking about ABX or even DBT at all.
I'm just trying to figure out if there exists a level of performance that
if met would in your opinion, result in components that sound indentical.
If for example it were possible to build amplifiers that had zero
distortion of any kind and ruller flat frequency response from 10 hz to 50
kHz and completely inaudible noise, would they both sound the same?


Maybe, but not necessarily.

Mikey, have you switched to an off-brand supplier of bugs?

I'm asking YOU if there's any level of performance that if met by like
components, YOU would agree they should sound the same. Or is it your
contention that all equipment, even the stuff that falls under a certain
degree of performance, sounds different.

I nominate duh-Mikey for the 2005 Mikey Idiocy Prize.

It's a fair question and you are an idiot if yo can't answer it.

I don't think we need to take a vote. You'll win the prize by acclamation.



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"duh!" sez the Bug Eater. "duh! duh! duh!"

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..
Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is. Some
won't. It is still an idiot question.

If you keep talking like that, you're going to get yourself banned from
all present and future aBxism revival meetings.

Try to keep up George, we're not talking about ABX or even DBT at all.

Oh stop that, Mickey. You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always the same
with you.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)


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"George Middius" wrote in message
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"duh!" sez the Bug Eater. "duh! duh! duh!"

Define "accuracy" Let's see if the world agrees with you..
Some components will sound the same whatever your definition is. Some
won't. It is still an idiot question.

If you keep talking like that, you're going to get yourself banned from
all present and future aBxism revival meetings.

Try to keep up George, we're not talking about ABX or even DBT at all.

Oh stop that, Mickey. You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always the
same
with you.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)


.

Compared to you, absoultely.

Mickey McHurtMe whined:

You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always the
same with you.

Lack of response, noted. Silent assent, noted.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)

Compared to you, absoultely.

I know you're terrified of me, Mikey, but be reasonable. How about comparing
Arnii to his fellow turds?


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"George Middius" wrote in message
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Mickey McHurtMe whined:

You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always the
same with you.

Lack of response, noted. Silent assent, noted.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)

Compared to you, absoultely.

I know you're terrified of me, Mikey, but be reasonable. How about
comparing
Arnii to his fellow turds?


How about comparing you to a pig, it's ever so much easier.

"George Middius" wrote in message
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Oh stop that, Mickey. You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always the
same
with you.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)


Arny can only be a leader if he has a follower.
Unfortunately, he has one.

"Signal" wrote in message
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"George Middius" emitted :

I'm asking YOU if there's any level of performance that if met by like
components, YOU would agree they should sound the same. Or is it your
contention that all equipment, even the stuff that falls under a certain
degree of performance, sounds different.

I nominate duh-Mikey for the 2005 Mikey Idiocy Prize.

Who won last year?

has anyone besides Mikey ever won?

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"George Middius" wrote in message
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Oh stop that, Mickey. You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always
the same
with you.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)


Arny can only be a leader if he has a follower.
Unfortunately, he has one.
My view of DBT and ABX was already there, long befrore I ever knew who Arny
was.

I don't have any idea what kind of a leader he may be, I do know that you
can get an idea of person by the people that hate him. So far it looks like
he's a very good man, given that the people who seem to depise him appear to
be the most clueless, scummy wretches to ever get hold of a keyboard.

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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"George Middius" wrote in message
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Oh stop that, Mickey. You're always babbling about aBxism. It's always
the same
with you.

BTW, do you still think of Arnii Kroofeces as a "leader"? ;-)


Arny can only be a leader if he has a follower.
Unfortunately, he has one.
My view of DBT and ABX was already there, long befrore I ever knew who
Arny was.

I don't have any idea what kind of a leader he may be, I do know that you
can get an idea of person by the people that hate him. So far it looks
like he's a very good man, .....

of course, he shares his dung flies with you.
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