Bob Neidorff, who has contributed to the hobby for many years without
offending anyone, shows exemplary humility in the FAQ that he periodically
publishes. He makes the following statement about amplifiers:

"11.5 Do all amplifiers with the same specifications sound alike?
Some say that they do. Some say that they don't. Some
demonstrated that many amplifier differences can be traced to
very slight frequency response difference. Let your own ears
guide you. If you want to compare amplifiers, you can do it
best in a controlled environment, such as your home, with your
music and your speakers. Also be very careful to match levels
precisely. All you need to match levels of amplifiers is a high
input-impedance digital voltmeter set to AC volts and a test
recording or signal generator. For best accuracy, set levels
with the speakers wired to the amplifier. "

Bob's advice is a model of moderation, inclusiveness, and good humor. He
advises reasonable diligence in amplifier comparison, using commonly
available instruments. He does not take a position on ABX, probably because
ABX devices are not widely available. Whether Bob personally favors ABX is
not part of his document. Regardless, he advises users to take the course
likely to provide them with the best information with the resources
available to them. He does not tell users to discard their observations.

Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more consumers than his
posts or occasional publications. Arny, of course, has a reputation for
personal abrasiveness that undermines his own message. Mr. Neidorff does not
suffer from this handicap.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful information on audio
that I am aware of, unconstrained by either an ideological attitude, or
monetary considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends to draw
us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive influence. While there are not
many of us who could imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter. Abandon the certainty that has lead
to a widely held perception of obnoxiousness. Respect the opinions of other
people, and consider the possibility that the real truth lies between what
you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill said, "Truth is found at
the meeting of opposites."

Robert Morein said:

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter. Abandon the certainty that has lead
to a widely held perception of obnoxiousness. Respect the opinions of other
people, and consider the possibility that the real truth lies between what
you believe, and what others believe.

You might as well suggest Krooger stop fishing his dinner out of the
toilet bowl. It'll never happen.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...
Bob Neidorff, who has contributed to the hobby for many years without
offending anyone, shows exemplary humility in the FAQ that he periodically
publishes. He makes the following statement about amplifiers:

"11.5 Do all amplifiers with the same specifications sound alike?
Some say that they do. Some say that they don't. Some
demonstrated that many amplifier differences can be traced to
very slight frequency response difference. Let your own ears
guide you. If you want to compare amplifiers, you can do it
best in a controlled environment, such as your home, with your
music and your speakers. Also be very careful to match levels
precisely. All you need to match levels of amplifiers is a high
input-impedance digital voltmeter set to AC volts and a test
recording or signal generator. For best accuracy, set levels
with the speakers wired to the amplifier. "

Bob's advice is a model of moderation, inclusiveness, and good humor. He
advises reasonable diligence in amplifier comparison, using commonly
available instruments.

Pretty much the same thing that's been said here for about 10 years.


He does not take a position on ABX, probably because
ABX devices are not widely available.

Who ever said one was an absolute requirement?

Whether Bob personally favors ABX is
not part of his document. Regardless, he advises users to take the course
likely to provide them with the best information with the resources
available to them. He does not tell users to discard their observations.

But he does give them the tools to help remove bias from their decisions.

Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more consumers than his
posts or occasional publications. Arny, of course, has a reputation for
personal abrasiveness that undermines his own message. Mr. Neidorff does
not
suffer from this handicap.


Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful information on audio
that I am aware of, unconstrained by either an ideological attitude, or
monetary considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends to draw
us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive influence.

How about your own behavior? You are not exactly a role model for
non-abrasive discourse.

While there are not
many of us who could imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

Unlike yours or George's.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter. Abandon the certainty that has
lead
to a widely held perception of obnoxiousness.

Ignore reality. Brilliant.

Respect the opinions of other
people, and consider the possibility that the real truth lies between what
you believe, and what others believe.

Ignore the evidence.

" wrote in message
et...

[snip]

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

No, he doesn't, Mikey. I have seen him diss complete strangers.
My post was not addressed to you, as you are simply a creation of Arny
Krueger.
You have no independent mental ability.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
et...

[snip]

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

No, he doesn't, Mikey. I have seen him diss complete strangers.
My post was not addressed to you, as you are simply a creation of Arny
Krueger.
You have no independent mental ability.

I have enough independent mental capability to realize you are either a
ignoramous or a troll.

I came here already convinced of the efficacy of ABX and double blind
testing for audio. Arny and I simply agree on it, you moron.

I've done enough independent reading on the subject of audio to know what's
real and what's illusion. I didn't need Arny for that.

The first post I made engendered a vicious attack from Steve Zipser in my
private E-mail. That was 10 years ago and nothng has changed. There is a
group of people who for whatever reason don't want to hear about the fact
that audio is full of scam artists and pseudo science trying to pass itself
off as high end audio, when it's sole purpose is to make audiophile's
believe they must constantly upgrade or buy into some new tweak in order to
get better sound.


Your talk of inclusion is about as phoney as you are.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more
consumers than his posts or occasional publications.

Bob confuses me with someone who gives a $#!^

Anybody who posts on RAO for fame and fortune needs a clue.

Arny, of course, has a reputation for personal
abrasiveness that undermines his own message.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a personality award, Bob.

Mr. Neidorff does not suffer from this handicap.

Neidorff does not actively post, at least not using his
name. The text of these FAQs was old 5 years ago.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful
information on audio that I am aware of, unconstrained by
either an ideological attitude, or monetary
considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends
to draw us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive
influence.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for an inclusiveness award, Bob.

While there are not many of us who could
imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

It's a nice FAQ.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter.

Like I ever stopped?

Abandon the
certainty that has lead to a widely held perception of
obnoxiousness.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a charm award, Bob.

Respect the opinions of other people, and
consider the possibility that the real truth lies between
what you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill
said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites."

Unfortunately, discussing audio with you Bob rarely if ever
has anything to do with the truth.

" wrote in message
k.net...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
et...

[snip]

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

No, he doesn't, Mikey. I have seen him diss complete strangers.
My post was not addressed to you, as you are simply a creation of Arny
Krueger.
You have no independent mental ability.

I have enough independent mental capability to realize you are either a
ignoramous or a troll.

I'm sorry, Mikey, but your inferior mental capacity does not permit you to
make judgements of that sort.

I came here already convinced of the efficacy of ABX and double blind
testing for audio. Arny and I simply agree on it, you moron.

You did not come from anywhere, Mikey. You are under the control of Arny.

I've done enough independent reading on the subject of audio to know
what's
real and what's illusion. I didn't need Arny for that.

Reading should not cause you to deny experience.

The first post I made engendered a vicious attack from Steve Zipser in my
private E-mail. That was 10 years ago and nothng has changed.

That is because you need to change, and you have not. This will dog you the
rest of your life.

There is a
group of people who for whatever reason don't want to hear about the fact
that audio is full of scam artists and pseudo science trying to pass
itself
off as high end audio, when it's sole purpose is to make audiophile's
believe they must constantly upgrade or buy into some new tweak in order
to
get better sound.

That is actually true, but to fight it with pseudo science of your own is a
great sin.


Your talk of inclusion is about as phoney as you are.

I'm sorry, Mikey, but your mental weakness does not permit you to make
judgements of that sort.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Robert Morein" wrote in message


Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more
consumers than his posts or occasional publications.

Bob confuses me with someone who gives a $#!^

Anybody who posts on RAO for fame and fortune needs a clue.

Arny, we know you are an internet addict. Now, on Sunday morning, of all
days, you are spewing hate, thinking that your religious ablutions will
compensate. You would need to baptize in antibacterial soap.


Arny, of course, has a reputation for personal
abrasiveness that undermines his own message.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a personality award, Bob.

Thank you! I really do try to care.

Mr. Neidorff does not suffer from this handicap.

Neidorff does not actively post, at least not using his
name. The text of these FAQs was old 5 years ago.

Truth springs eternal.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful
information on audio that I am aware of, unconstrained by
either an ideological attitude, or monetary
considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends
to draw us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive
influence.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for an inclusiveness award, Bob.

Once again, I am most gratified that my efforts are taken in the way they
are intended.


While there are not many of us who could
imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

It's a nice FAQ.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter.

Like I ever stopped?

Do you harbor any doubts about ABX, Arny? Pray tell.

Abandon the
certainty that has lead to a widely held perception of
obnoxiousness.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a charm award, Bob.

While the repeated praise is slightly embarassing, I accept it in the spirit
of love.

Respect the opinions of other people, and
consider the possibility that the real truth lies between
what you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill
said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites."

Unfortunately, discussing audio with you Bob rarely if ever
has anything to do with the truth.

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX. Unfortunately, there is
very little truth there to discuss.

Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you were new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of lameness. But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And yet you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
k.net...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
et...

[snip]

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

No, he doesn't, Mikey. I have seen him diss complete strangers.
My post was not addressed to you, as you are simply a creation of Arny
Krueger.
You have no independent mental ability.

I have enough independent mental capability to realize you are either a
ignoramous or a troll.

I'm sorry, Mikey, but your inferior mental capacity does not permit you to
make judgements of that sort.

I came here already convinced of the efficacy of ABX and double blind
testing for audio. Arny and I simply agree on it, you moron.

You did not come from anywhere, Mikey. You are under the control of Arny.

I've done enough independent reading on the subject of audio to know
what's
real and what's illusion. I didn't need Arny for that.

Reading should not cause you to deny experience.

The first post I made engendered a vicious attack from Steve Zipser in my
private E-mail. That was 10 years ago and nothng has changed.

That is because you need to change, and you have not. This will dog you
the
rest of your life.

There is a
group of people who for whatever reason don't want to hear about the fact
that audio is full of scam artists and pseudo science trying to pass
itself
off as high end audio, when it's sole purpose is to make audiophile's
believe they must constantly upgrade or buy into some new tweak in order
to
get better sound.

That is actually true, but to fight it with pseudo science of your own is
a
great sin.


Your talk of inclusion is about as phoney as you are.

I'm sorry, Mikey, but your mental weakness does not permit you to make
judgements of that sort.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...



Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you were new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of lameness. But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And yet you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows something about
it?

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
k.net...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
et...

[snip]

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

No, he doesn't, Mikey. I have seen him diss complete strangers.
My post was not addressed to you, as you are simply a creation of Arny
Krueger.
You have no independent mental ability.

I have enough independent mental capability to realize you are either a
ignoramous or a troll.

I'm sorry, Mikey, but your inferior mental capacity does not permit you to
make judgements of that sort.

I came here already convinced of the efficacy of ABX and double blind
testing for audio. Arny and I simply agree on it, you moron.

You did not come from anywhere, Mikey. You are under the control of Arny.

I've done enough independent reading on the subject of audio to know
what's
real and what's illusion. I didn't need Arny for that.

Reading should not cause you to deny experience.

The first post I made engendered a vicious attack from Steve Zipser in my
private E-mail. That was 10 years ago and nothng has changed.

That is because you need to change, and you have not. This will dog you
the
rest of your life.

There is a
group of people who for whatever reason don't want to hear about the fact
that audio is full of scam artists and pseudo science trying to pass
itself
off as high end audio, when it's sole purpose is to make audiophile's
believe they must constantly upgrade or buy into some new tweak in order
to
get better sound.

That is actually true, but to fight it with pseudo science of your own is
a
great sin.


Your talk of inclusion is about as phoney as you are.

I'm sorry, Mikey, but your mental weakness does not permit you to make
judgements of that sort.

Roll over Liberty.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Robert Morein" wrote in message


Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more
consumers than his posts or occasional publications.

Bob confuses me with someone who gives a $#!^

Anybody who posts on RAO for fame and fortune needs a clue.

Arny, we know you are an internet addict. Now, on Sunday morning, of all
days, you are spewing hate, thinking that your religious ablutions will
compensate. You would need to baptize in antibacterial soap.


Arny, of course, has a reputation for personal
abrasiveness that undermines his own message.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a personality award, Bob.

Thank you! I really do try to care.

Mr. Neidorff does not suffer from this handicap.

Neidorff does not actively post, at least not using his
name. The text of these FAQs was old 5 years ago.

Truth springs eternal.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful
information on audio that I am aware of, unconstrained by
either an ideological attitude, or monetary
considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends
to draw us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive
influence.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for an inclusiveness award, Bob.

Once again, I am most gratified that my efforts are taken in the way they
are intended.


While there are not many of us who could
imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

It's a nice FAQ.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter.

Like I ever stopped?

Do you harbor any doubts about ABX, Arny? Pray tell.

Abandon the
certainty that has lead to a widely held perception of
obnoxiousness.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a charm award, Bob.

While the repeated praise is slightly embarassing, I accept it in the
spirit
of love.

Respect the opinions of other people, and
consider the possibility that the real truth lies between
what you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill
said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites."

Unfortunately, discussing audio with you Bob rarely if ever
has anything to do with the truth.

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX. Unfortunately, there is
very little truth there to discuss.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that it
not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.

" wrote in message
k.net...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Robert Morein" wrote in message


Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more
consumers than his posts or occasional publications.

Bob confuses me with someone who gives a $#!^

Anybody who posts on RAO for fame and fortune needs a clue.

Arny, we know you are an internet addict. Now, on Sunday morning, of all
days, you are spewing hate, thinking that your religious ablutions will
compensate. You would need to baptize in antibacterial soap.


Arny, of course, has a reputation for personal
abrasiveness that undermines his own message.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a personality award, Bob.

Thank you! I really do try to care.

Mr. Neidorff does not suffer from this handicap.

Neidorff does not actively post, at least not using his
name. The text of these FAQs was old 5 years ago.

Truth springs eternal.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful
information on audio that I am aware of, unconstrained by
either an ideological attitude, or monetary
considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends
to draw us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive
influence.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for an inclusiveness award, Bob.

Once again, I am most gratified that my efforts are taken in the way
they
are intended.


While there are not many of us who could
imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

It's a nice FAQ.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter.

Like I ever stopped?

Do you harbor any doubts about ABX, Arny? Pray tell.

Abandon the
certainty that has lead to a widely held perception of
obnoxiousness.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a charm award, Bob.

While the repeated praise is slightly embarassing, I accept it in the
spirit
of love.

Respect the opinions of other people, and
consider the possibility that the real truth lies between
what you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill
said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites."

Unfortunately, discussing audio with you Bob rarely if ever
has anything to do with the truth.

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX. Unfortunately, there
is
very little truth there to discuss.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that it
not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.

Mikey, it's bad to reinterpret what other people say. I do not "pretend"
opinions. I give them honestly.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...



Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Mikey is a classic example of a "stooge".
Congrats, Mikey. Since you have a weak mind, you have achieved all you
can--you are a good stooge.

" wrote in message
k.net...

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote
in message ...



Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you were new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of lameness. But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is "pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our opinions. Be a
good boy and accept that.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
k.net...

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote
in message ...



Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with
Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you were
new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of lameness.
But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to
yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is "pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our opinions. Be a
good boy and accept that.

OK,your opinions are honest, therefore yo are both audio idiots.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
k.net...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Robert Morein" wrote in message


Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more
consumers than his posts or occasional publications.

Bob confuses me with someone who gives a $#!^

Anybody who posts on RAO for fame and fortune needs a clue.

Arny, we know you are an internet addict. Now, on Sunday morning, of
all
days, you are spewing hate, thinking that your religious ablutions will
compensate. You would need to baptize in antibacterial soap.


Arny, of course, has a reputation for personal
abrasiveness that undermines his own message.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a personality award, Bob.

Thank you! I really do try to care.

Mr. Neidorff does not suffer from this handicap.

Neidorff does not actively post, at least not using his
name. The text of these FAQs was old 5 years ago.

Truth springs eternal.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful
information on audio that I am aware of, unconstrained by
either an ideological attitude, or monetary
considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends
to draw us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive
influence.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for an inclusiveness award, Bob.

Once again, I am most gratified that my efforts are taken in the way
they
are intended.


While there are not many of us who could
imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

It's a nice FAQ.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter.

Like I ever stopped?

Do you harbor any doubts about ABX, Arny? Pray tell.

Abandon the
certainty that has lead to a widely held perception of
obnoxiousness.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a charm award, Bob.

While the repeated praise is slightly embarassing, I accept it in the
spirit
of love.

Respect the opinions of other people, and
consider the possibility that the real truth lies between
what you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill
said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites."

Unfortunately, discussing audio with you Bob rarely if ever
has anything to do with the truth.

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX. Unfortunately, there
is
very little truth there to discuss.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that
it
not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.

Mikey, it's bad to reinterpret what other people say. I do not "pretend"
opinions. I give them honestly.

Then you are honestly stupid.

" wrote in message
news

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

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Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with
Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you were
new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of lameness.
But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And
yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to
yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in
audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is
"pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our opinions. Be
a
good boy and accept that.

OK,your opinions are honest, therefore yo are both audio idiots.

Sorry, Mikey, wrong again.
There is no such thing as an "audio idiot." There are, however, idiotic
people.
You are a member of the club of weak-minded people.

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Arny should be aware that Bob's FAQ influences far more
consumers than his posts or occasional publications.

Bob confuses me with someone who gives a $#!^

Anybody who posts on RAO for fame and fortune needs a clue.

Arny, we know you are an internet addict. Now, on Sunday morning, of
all
days, you are spewing hate, thinking that your religious ablutions
will
compensate. You would need to baptize in antibacterial soap.


Arny, of course, has a reputation for personal
abrasiveness that undermines his own message.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a personality award, Bob.

Thank you! I really do try to care.

Mr. Neidorff does not suffer from this handicap.

Neidorff does not actively post, at least not using his
name. The text of these FAQs was old 5 years ago.

Truth springs eternal.

I applaud Mr. Neidorff for publishing the most useful
information on audio that I am aware of, unconstrained by
either an ideological attitude, or monetary
considerations. As an added benefit, Neidorff's FAQ tends
to draw us together, in constrast to Arny's divisive
influence.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for an inclusiveness award, Bob.

Once again, I am most gratified that my efforts are taken in the way
they
are intended.


While there are not many of us who could
imagine an enjoyable shared experience with Arny, Mr.
Neidorff's FAQ provides us with such a vision.

It's a nice FAQ.

My advice to Arny is, become a doubter.

Like I ever stopped?

Do you harbor any doubts about ABX, Arny? Pray tell.

Abandon the
certainty that has lead to a widely held perception of
obnoxiousness.

It's like your continual stream of gratuitous attacks and
abuse recommend you for a charm award, Bob.

While the repeated praise is slightly embarassing, I accept it in the
spirit
of love.

Respect the opinions of other people, and
consider the possibility that the real truth lies between
what you believe, and what others believe. As J.S. Mill
said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites."

Unfortunately, discussing audio with you Bob rarely if ever
has anything to do with the truth.

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX. Unfortunately,
there
is
very little truth there to discuss.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that
it
not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.

Mikey, it's bad to reinterpret what other people say. I do not "pretend"
opinions. I give them honestly.

Then you are honestly stupid.

Mikey, you are not sufficiently apologetic. You did a bad thing. Now
apologize.

" wrote ...

"Robert Morein" wrote...

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.
At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that it
not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.


Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...

"Robert Morein" wrote...

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.
At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that
it
not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.


Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

Perhaps he "pretends" that he has.

Robert Morein said:

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

Perhaps he "pretends" that he has.

Mocking tone, noted. Thanks Robret for admitting that you like to pretend aBxism
is, not a real testing protocol when all the big company's use it, LOt"s.


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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote
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Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with
Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you were
new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of lameness.
But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And
yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and
just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to
yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in
audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is
"pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our opinions. Be
a
good boy and accept that.

OK,your opinions are honest, therefore yo are both audio idiots.

Sorry, Mikey, wrong again.
There is no such thing as an "audio idiot." There are, however, idiotic
people.
You are a member of the club of weak-minded people.

Have another biscuit.

"George Middius" wrote in message
...



Robert Morein said:

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

Perhaps he "pretends" that he has.

Mocking tone, noted. Thanks Robret for admitting that you like to pretend
aBxism
is, not a real testing protocol when all the big company's use it, LOt"s.

Thanks for admitting you don't have to buy a clue about imitating Krueger.
You were born to do this.

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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot]
net
wrote
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Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with
Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you
were
new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of
lameness.
But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand. And
yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and
just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to
yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in
audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows
something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is
"pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our opinions.
Be
a
good boy and accept that.

OK,your opinions are honest, therefore yo are both audio idiots.

Sorry, Mikey, wrong again.
There is no such thing as an "audio idiot." There are, however, idiotic
people.
You are a member of the club of weak-minded people.

Have another biscuit.

Your offer to share is appreciated, but I'll stick to human food.

"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...

"Robert Morein" wrote...

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.
At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that
it not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.


Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?
No, but how is that relevant? Do you need to stand on the sun to know it's
hot?

Since the wealth of evidence is on the sinde of ABX and other forms of DBT,
I see nothing form anywhere else to make me think that they are invalid.

See my post where I quote Sean Olive, who I guarantee is more knowledgeable
on the subject than Robert or myself. His views are part of the mainstream
regarding audio testing. People who deny this to be true are simply
ignoring reality because it doesn't match their perceptions.

How many times do I, or any of the other DBT advocates have to say that
nobody is obliged to do a DBT of any kind and they are free to use whatever
criteria they wish for their buying decisions? It is only when claims are
made about technical aspects that don't match what is known, that a DBT is
suggested.

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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot]
net
wrote
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Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there with
Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you
were
new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of
lameness.
But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand.
And
yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already and
just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to
yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in
audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows
something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is
"pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our opinions.
Be
a
good boy and accept that.

OK,your opinions are honest, therefore yo are both audio idiots.

Sorry, Mikey, wrong again.
There is no such thing as an "audio idiot." There are, however, idiotic
people.
You are a member of the club of weak-minded people.

Have another biscuit.

Your offer to share is appreciated, but I'll stick to human food.


Next try human thought.

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"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot]
net
wrote
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Gawd, Mickey, are you really really really this stupid? Even I
am
awestruck at your incredibly moronic misapprehensions of
reality.

Arny has a reputation for not tolerating nonsense, he
generally
answers
polite questions, politely.

This globule of concentrated stupidity ranks right up there
with
Booby's
claim that Arnii Krooger is "tough to beat in a debate".

I am almost nonplused by your far-out looniness, Mickey. If you
were
new
to Usenet, we might be able to laugh off this milestone of
lameness.
But
you're not new -- you've been playing here for years. You've
seen
Krooger's cavalcades of lies and fanatical egotism first-hand.
And
yet
you
mouth such fatuous idiocy that you take our breaths away.

I've also seen you doing much worse.


Why don't you dispense with this ridiculous nonsense already
and
just
admit you adore Arnii? You can keep the whys and wherefores to
yourself.
I'm sure the reality would put our speculations to shame.


Why don't you dispense with your pretense f having an interest in
audio,
when all you really want to do is stalk somebody that knows
something
about
it?

Once again, Mikey, it is dishonest to assert someone else is
"pretending".
You cannot know this. George and I are quite honest in our
opinions.
Be
a
good boy and accept that.

OK,your opinions are honest, therefore yo are both audio idiots.

Sorry, Mikey, wrong again.
There is no such thing as an "audio idiot." There are, however,
idiotic
people.
You are a member of the club of weak-minded people.

Have another biscuit.

Your offer to share is appreciated, but I'll stick to human food.


Next try human thought.

Mikey, it is very unoriginal to recycle the words of others, and points to
your mental inferiority.

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"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...

"Robert Morein" wrote...

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.
At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and that
it not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.


Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?
No

"Nuf said.
Thanks for admitting that you are a stooge of Arny.

wrote:
"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...
"Robert Morein" wrote...
The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid
and that it not one of the most widely used [protocols] for
[difference] testing.

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

No...

Amazing. Not even to choose the products he buys. Just bookmarking
this admission.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...

"Robert Morein" wrote...

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.
At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and
that
it not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.


Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?
No

"Nuf said.
Thanks for admitting that you are a stooge of Arny.


This from the guy who couldn't get the size of the Hubble telescope right,
and who no longer posts on RAHE becuase his ass was kicked so badly.

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
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wrote:
"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...
"Robert Morein" wrote...
The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid
and that it not one of the most widely used [protocols] for
[difference] testing.

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

No...

Amazing. Not even to choose the products he buys. Just bookmarking
this admission.


Thanks for admitting you don't kow what competently designed equipment is.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

So what? I haven't been hit by a car either, but I know it would be bad.



You needn't participate in something to recognize it's value.

Come to think of it, I did do some of the PCABX trials.

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wrote:
"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...
"Robert Morein" wrote...
The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid
and that it not one of the most widely used [protocols] for
[difference] testing.

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

No...

Amazing. Not even to choose the products he buys. Just bookmarking
this admission.

So where are the measurements for the Shakti Stones you endorsed?

In article et,
wrote:

So where are the measurements for the Shakti Stones you endorsed?

Nice new nic!

Evidently, the Shakti On-lines is good for 3 horsepower:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/dynotests.htm

Stephen

"MINe 109" wrote in message
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In article et,
wrote:

So where are the measurements for the Shakti Stones you endorsed?

Nice new nic!

Evidently, the Shakti On-lines is good for 3 horsepower:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/dynotests.htm

Been there, seen that. Where are the audio related measurements?

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
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"surf" wrote in message
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" wrote ...
"Robert Morein" wrote...
The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid
and that it not one of the most widely used [protocols] for
[difference] testing.

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

No...

Amazing. Not even to choose the products he buys. Just bookmarking
this admission.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

John, the RAO Manual of Style requires that you format your reply as,
"Thank you for admitting that you don't use ABX"

KroogerSoft is coming out with a MS Word add-on that will do this
automatically.

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"surf" wrote in message
. ..
" wrote ...

"Robert Morein" wrote...

The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.
At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid and
that
it not one of the most widely used protcols for diference testing.


Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?
No

"Nuf said.
Thanks for admitting that you are a stooge of Arny.


This from the guy who couldn't get the size of the Hubble telescope right,
and who no longer posts on RAHE becuase his ass was kicked so badly.

Mikey, I have never posted on RAHE. Never.
Thanks for admitting you can't get the facts straight.
Or are you just lying, Mikey?

"George Middius" wrote in message
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Robert Morein said:

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

Perhaps he "pretends" that he has.

Mocking tone, noted. Thanks Robret for admitting that you like to pretend
aBxism
is, not a real testing protocol when all the big company's use it, LOt"s.

Mikey needs to buy more than a clue. He needs a whole new brain.

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"John Atkinson" wrote in message
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wrote:
"surf" wrote in message
. ..
" wrote ...
"Robert Morein" wrote...
The subject matter is your beliefs regarding ABX.

At least from your side, you just keep pretending it's invalid
and that it not one of the most widely used [protocols] for
[difference] testing.

Have you ever done an ABX test Mike?

No...

Amazing. Not even to choose the products he buys. Just bookmarking
this admission.


Thanks for admitting you don't kow what competently designed equipment is.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

So what? I haven't been hit by a car either, but I know it would be bad.

Mikey, you can't know that being hit by a car would be bad. You have to try
it.
Try it, and let us know.