"trotsky" wrote in message
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The site has been updated slightly, including terms and conditions,
owner's manuals, and FAQ's. Any comments would be welcome, except those
from certain folks who already know who they are.

Quoting from Greg's website,

"Yet, for some reason, the vast majority of speaker companies are so worried
about a cabinet than doesn't produce any sound of its own that they use
materials that are so inert they suck the life out of the sound, further
deviating from the live music reference."

In this single paragraph, Greg Singh, setting himself up as a pontifical
authority, puts himself above and beyond the completely established and
theoretically sound basis of modern speaker design, which begins with an
inert cabinet.

"Frequency range: 50-20,000 Hz"
These are Lafayette Radio specs. Where are the dB points, Greg? Just
guessing?

"So to make a long story short, I settled on some drivers made by a Chinese
company called Silver Flute. They make a couple of different ribbon
tweeters, and three different woofer sizes."

Greg, are you going to live on top of the factory? Do you have any idea what
the failure rate of open-market Chinese drivers is?

DID YOU KNOW, that with a bass reflex design, it is imperative to screen
each woofer you receive for the Thiele-Small parameters? Do you think the
Chinese have quality control like SEAS or Scanspeak?

"A ribbon tweeter eventually sprung to mind,"
Duh, genius at work.

"I decided on the larger of the two tweeters, and the biggest of the three
woofers to concoct a speaker that is in a way a classic design--a large
bookshelf 8 inch two way, but with the huge advantages of a ribbon tweeter
and computer designed crossover network."

WHO designed your crossover?
WHAT type is it?
WHEN was it done?
WHERE?
WHY?

"Couple that with a very solid cabinet made of 3/4" MDF,"
Heard of this before.

"excellent bi-wireable speaker terminals,"
What kind of plating, and how many microns?

"hand-soldered connections,"
waveflow is THE way, but you can't afford it. It won't fit on your kitchen
table.

"solid PVC port tube,"
If you're thinking of a bass reflex design, I strongly suggest a port with a
hole in it. A solid hunk of plastic doesn't do much.

"and real oak veneer cabinet, and you have a speaker that is exciting to
listen to and beautiful to look at."

Greg discovers the magic of wood. Overwhelming.

FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD!

Bob Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
link.net...

The site has been updated slightly, including terms and conditions,
owner's manuals, and FAQ's. Any comments would be welcome, except those
from certain folks who already know who they are.


Quoting from Greg's website,

"Yet, for some reason, the vast majority of speaker companies are so
worried
about a cabinet than doesn't produce any sound of its own that they use
materials that are so inert they suck the life out of the sound, further
deviating from the live music reference."

In this single paragraph, Greg Singh, setting himself up as a pontifical
authority, puts himself above and beyond the completely established and
theoretically sound basis of modern speaker design, which begins with an
inert cabinet.

"Frequency range: 50-20,000 Hz"
These are Lafayette Radio specs. Where are the dB points, Greg? Just
guessing?

"So to make a long story short, I settled on some drivers made by a
Chinese
company called Silver Flute. They make a couple of different ribbon
tweeters, and three different woofer sizes."

Greg, are you going to live on top of the factory? Do you have any
idea what
the failure rate of open-market Chinese drivers is?

DID YOU KNOW, that with a bass reflex design, it is imperative to screen
each woofer you receive for the Thiele-Small parameters? Do you think the
Chinese have quality control like SEAS or Scanspeak?



I'm not sure what you mean, Bob. Are you claiming the Chinese are
inferior human beings, and couldn't possibly build drivers that are of
the quality level of Europeans. That's just racist bull****, Bob.



"A ribbon tweeter eventually sprung to mind,"
Duh, genius at work.


Sorry for telling the truth. You are quite obsessed.



"I decided on the larger of the two tweeters, and the biggest of the three
woofers to concoct a speaker that is in a way a classic design--a large
bookshelf 8 inch two way, but with the huge advantages of a ribbon tweeter
and computer designed crossover network."

WHO designed your crossover?
WHAT type is it?
WHEN was it done?
WHERE?
WHY?


I doubt you're looking to buy a pair, Bob, so I'm not sure what the
point of those questions are.



"Couple that with a very solid cabinet made of 3/4" MDF,"
Heard of this before.


WHERE?



"excellent bi-wireable speaker terminals,"
What kind of plating, and how many microns?


WHY?



"hand-soldered connections,"
waveflow is THE way, but you can't afford it. It won't fit on your kitchen
table.


I must've missed the waveflow soldered speakers. Which are they?



"solid PVC port tube,"
If you're thinking of a bass reflex design, I strongly suggest a port
with a
hole in it. A solid hunk of plastic doesn't do much.


Tube only has one meaning, Bob--unless you're talking about when you and
Arny get together.



"and real oak veneer cabinet, and you have a speaker that is exciting to
listen to and beautiful to look at."

Greg discovers the magic of wood. Overwhelming.

FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD!



ZZZZZ.

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
link.net...

The site has been updated slightly, including terms and conditions,
owner's manuals, and FAQ's. Any comments would be welcome, except
those
from certain folks who already know who they are.


Quoting from Greg's website,

"Yet, for some reason, the vast majority of speaker companies are so
worried
about a cabinet than doesn't produce any sound of its own that they use
materials that are so inert they suck the life out of the sound, further
deviating from the live music reference."

In this single paragraph, Greg Singh, setting himself up as a pontifical
authority, puts himself above and beyond the completely established and
theoretically sound basis of modern speaker design, which begins with an
inert cabinet.

"Frequency range: 50-20,000 Hz"
These are Lafayette Radio specs. Where are the dB points, Greg? Just
guessing?

"So to make a long story short, I settled on some drivers made by a
Chinese
company called Silver Flute. They make a couple of different ribbon
tweeters, and three different woofer sizes."

Greg, are you going to live on top of the factory? Do you have any
idea what
the failure rate of open-market Chinese drivers is?

DID YOU KNOW, that with a bass reflex design, it is imperative to screen
each woofer you receive for the Thiele-Small parameters? Do you think
the
Chinese have quality control like SEAS or Scanspeak?



I'm not sure what you mean, Bob. Are you claiming the Chinese are
inferior human beings, and couldn't possibly build drivers that are of
the quality level of Europeans. That's just racist bull****, Bob.

Greg, my poor, dear, obtuse Greg.
ALL woofers have to be screened by the enduser for bass reflex use.
This is simply doubly true for Chinese drivers.
No, I am not claiming the Chinese are inferior human being.
It is well known that most Chinese industry, being a new development, is not
up to world market specs without close supervision. Some good speakers are
being made there, but with close oversight from well established
manufacturers.

Greg, you are a charlatan.
FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD!

Bob Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...

Bob Morein wrote:


"trotsky" wrote in message
thlink.net...


The site has been updated slightly, including terms and conditions,
owner's manuals, and FAQ's. Any comments would be welcome, except

those

from certain folks who already know who they are.

Quoting from Greg's website,

"Yet, for some reason, the vast majority of speaker companies are so
worried
about a cabinet than doesn't produce any sound of its own that they use
materials that are so inert they suck the life out of the sound, further
deviating from the live music reference."

In this single paragraph, Greg Singh, setting himself up as a pontifical
authority, puts himself above and beyond the completely established and
theoretically sound basis of modern speaker design, which begins with an
inert cabinet.

"Frequency range: 50-20,000 Hz"
These are Lafayette Radio specs. Where are the dB points, Greg? Just
guessing?

"So to make a long story short, I settled on some drivers made by a
Chinese
company called Silver Flute. They make a couple of different ribbon
tweeters, and three different woofer sizes."

Greg, are you going to live on top of the factory? Do you have any
idea what
the failure rate of open-market Chinese drivers is?

DID YOU KNOW, that with a bass reflex design, it is imperative to screen
each woofer you receive for the Thiele-Small parameters? Do you think

the

Chinese have quality control like SEAS or Scanspeak?



I'm not sure what you mean, Bob. Are you claiming the Chinese are
inferior human beings, and couldn't possibly build drivers that are of
the quality level of Europeans. That's just racist bull****, Bob.


Greg, my poor, dear, obtuse Greg.
ALL woofers have to be screened by the enduser for bass reflex use.
This is simply doubly true for Chinese drivers.
No, I am not claiming the Chinese are inferior human being.
It is well known that most Chinese industry, being a new development,
is not
up to world market specs without close supervision. Some good speakers are
being made there, but with close oversight from well established
manufacturers.



Oversight--right. Your use of the language is deplorable, Bob. And the
Silver Flutes are quite accurate. Buy some and find out.

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...

Bob Morein wrote:


"trotsky" wrote in message
thlink.net...


The site has been updated slightly, including terms and conditions,
owner's manuals, and FAQ's. Any comments would be welcome, except

those

from certain folks who already know who they are.

Quoting from Greg's website,

"Yet, for some reason, the vast majority of speaker companies are so
worried
about a cabinet than doesn't produce any sound of its own that they
use
materials that are so inert they suck the life out of the sound,
further
deviating from the live music reference."

In this single paragraph, Greg Singh, setting himself up as a
pontifical
authority, puts himself above and beyond the completely established
and
theoretically sound basis of modern speaker design, which begins with
an
inert cabinet.

"Frequency range: 50-20,000 Hz"
These are Lafayette Radio specs. Where are the dB points, Greg? Just
guessing?

"So to make a long story short, I settled on some drivers made by a
Chinese
company called Silver Flute. They make a couple of different ribbon
tweeters, and three different woofer sizes."

Greg, are you going to live on top of the factory? Do you have any
idea what
the failure rate of open-market Chinese drivers is?

DID YOU KNOW, that with a bass reflex design, it is imperative to
screen
each woofer you receive for the Thiele-Small parameters? Do you think

the

Chinese have quality control like SEAS or Scanspeak?



I'm not sure what you mean, Bob. Are you claiming the Chinese are
inferior human beings, and couldn't possibly build drivers that are of
the quality level of Europeans. That's just racist bull****, Bob.


Greg, my poor, dear, obtuse Greg.
ALL woofers have to be screened by the enduser for bass reflex use.
This is simply doubly true for Chinese drivers.
No, I am not claiming the Chinese are inferior human being.
It is well known that most Chinese industry, being a new development,
is not
up to world market specs without close supervision. Some good speakers
are
being made there, but with close oversight from well established
manufacturers.



Oversight--right. Your use of the language is deplorable, Bob. And the
Silver Flutes are quite accurate. Buy some and find out.

OVERSIGHT
Pronunciation: 'owvur`sIt


WordNet Dictionary

Definition: 1.. [n] a mistake resulting from inattention
2.. [n] management by overseeing the performance or operation of a
person or group
3.. [n] an unintentional omission resulting from failure to notice
something
Definition 2 applies.

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net

On a related note, do you think Bob has shown himself adept with the
language?

This is going to be funny. Two whack jobs trying to judge a real person.

;-)

trotsky said:

"I was overseeing the project."

"I performed an oversight on the project."

Example #2 is that of bad writing. Quit being a fool.


You're right about your silly "example #2", but that doesn't help
your main point. In fact, if you rewrote it in normal language, i.e.
"I performed oversight on the project", it is both standard and
easily understood by any speaker of English.


Can you give me an example in anything written is say, the last forty
years?

You mean like in a novel, or an encyclopedia?

Why do you simply reject my own experiences out of hand? I stated a
fact: "oversight" is used commonly to have the meaning from the
dictionary. That is a fact. If you don't recognize it, isn't it
simply because your experience doesn't coincide with mine? Isn't
that at least possible?


This is the problem: there are dictionary definitions, and then
there is common usage.

That is exactly so. Your "common usage" excludes truly common
phrases. How do you explain that? Not to mention your favorite
"n- - - - r pile", which neither I nor, apparently, any other RAO
regulars had ever heard until you presented it here. You
characterized it as "common usage" too, yet none of us had ever
heard of it. Comments?


Writing that is interesting in the here and now
pays close attention to the common usage. I don't suppose I'm telling
you anything you don't already know.

You're repeating something I do know -- that you are unable or
unwilling to grant that your own experience in language usage is not
all-inclusive. I've proven that you don't have the all-encompassing
experience you believe you have. I did that simply by citing a fact
whose reality you persist in denying. Yet you refuse to reconsider,
to re-evaluate, to retrench in any way, shape, or form. What does
that say about you?


On a related note, do you think Bob has shown himself adept with the
language?

Largely, yes. At least compared to the general wash of Usenet. Far
more adept than Krooger or Nousiane, for example.

trotsky said:

Why do you simply reject my own experiences out of hand? I stated a
fact: "oversight" is used commonly to have the meaning from the
dictionary. That is a fact. If you don't recognize it, isn't it
simply because your experience doesn't coincide with mine? Isn't
that at least possible?

Sure, it's possible. I'll even say it's possible that you read two or
three times as much as me.

You should shut up now.


But therein lies the rub. The world doesn't
have as much to do with the written word as it did in years or decades past.

Which other RAO regular changes the subject spontaneously in order
to avoid admitting he was wrong? Hint: This individual also said
"The discussion is what I meant, not what I said".


Here's my recap: You made a stupid claim, a single person showed you
were all wet, and now you're trying to pretend you meant something
different from what you said.

Please don't call on me to support your opinions about language or
usage in the future, OK?

"George M. Middius" wrote in message


Please don't call on me to support your opinions about language or
usage in the future, OK?

So let's review recent history. Once upon a time Middius had a brain fart
and actually figured out that Singh was walking, talking crap, and decided
to take a little time out from his vendetta against me to actually say so in
public.

Singh disappears for a while, and comes back with a line of alleged
loudspeakers. Suddenly Middius shows up on the Greg Singh memorial defense
team, covering Singh's butt 24/7.

It appears that brain farts can strike twice in the same place. Again,
Middius has figured out that Singh is still walking, talking crap.

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:44:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message


Please don't call on me to support your opinions about language or
usage in the future, OK?

So let's review recent history. Once upon a time Middius had a brain fart
and actually figured out that Singh was walking, talking crap, and decided
to take a little time out from his vendetta against me to actually say so in
public.

Singh disappears for a while, and comes back with a line of alleged
loudspeakers.

Why are these "alleged"? As far as I can tell, these loudspeakers
exist and can be ordered.

Of course, you can test whether or not they exist by ordering them.
We'll know in about 4 weeks, right?

George M. Middius wrote:


trotsky said:


Why do you simply reject my own experiences out of hand? I stated a
fact: "oversight" is used commonly to have the meaning from the
dictionary. That is a fact. If you don't recognize it, isn't it
simply because your experience doesn't coincide with mine? Isn't
that at least possible?



Sure, it's possible. I'll even say it's possible that you read two or
three times as much as me.


You should shut up now.


You first!





But therein lies the rub. The world doesn't
have as much to do with the written word as it did in years or
decades past.


Which other RAO regular changes the subject spontaneously in order
to avoid admitting he was wrong? Hint: This individual also said
"The discussion is what I meant, not what I said".


No. If anything, I'm repeating what I said in my last post. You can
claim that I'm coming from the dept. of redundancy dept., but I can't
see how you say I'm changing the subject. The subject is word usage in
today's society. Agree or disagree?




Here's my recap: You made a stupid claim, a single person showed you
were all wet, and now you're trying to pretend you meant something
different from what you said.


Oh, it's like that. Sorry, George, but you're pulling a J. Oberlander
he what are the credentials that make you the expert? If Glenn
Zelniker explains the pitfalls of audio manufacturer, he's got
credentials. Oberlander does not. You may have good grasp of the
language, but I really don't see what your credentials are. In a lot of
ways, you are an anonymouse. Is "Middius" your real name?



Please don't call on me to support your opinions about language or
usage in the future, OK?


I didn't call on you for support, I asked your opinion. You gave it. I
don't agree with it, but that's hardly new on this newsgroup, is it.

"trotsky" wrote in message
news
George M. Middius wrote:


trotsky said:


"I was overseeing the project."

"I performed an oversight on the project."

Example #2 is that of bad writing. Quit being a fool.


You're right about your silly "example #2", but that doesn't help
your main point. In fact, if you rewrote it in normal language, i.e.
"I performed oversight on the project", it is both standard and
easily understood by any speaker of English.


Can you give me an example in anything written is say, the last forty
years?


You mean like in a novel, or an encyclopedia?

Why do you simply reject my own experiences out of hand? I stated a
fact: "oversight" is used commonly to have the meaning from the
dictionary. That is a fact. If you don't recognize it, isn't it
simply because your experience doesn't coincide with mine? Isn't
that at least possible?



Sure, it's possible. I'll even say it's possible that you read two or
three times as much as me. But therein lies the rub. The world doesn't
have as much to do with the written word as it did in years or decades
past. You may or may not experience other media as much as I do, or you
may or may not have as much interaction with other people as I do. As
it is, I feel that I have a strong knowledge of what the common or
normal use of the word "oversight" is. I could be wrong, but I'm not
wrong very often. Let it suffice to say that I would give more stock in
your reporting of the word's common usage than Bob Morion's, but I would
put the most stock in mine.

As a aside, let me say that this is why Bob will never be a good writer.
Dictionary definitions are of limited usefulness in this day and age.





This is the problem: there are dictionary definitions, and then
there is common usage.


That is exactly so. Your "common usage" excludes truly common
phrases. How do you explain that? Not to mention your favorite
"n- - - - r pile", which neither I nor, apparently, any other RAO
regulars had ever heard until you presented it here. You
characterized it as "common usage" too, yet none of us had ever
heard of it. Comments?


It's a regional term. I'm been a lot of places in the U.S. and they
don't play 16 inch softball any place but here, too. Ditto with the
Italian beef sandwiches Jay Leno is so fond of. Regardless, I hardly
think my use of the language is bogged down by Midwestern words and
phrases. (Did you know it's fairly common for the average Chicagoan to
use the non-word "irregardless", btw. Oh, and I hear "supposebly" quite
a bit, too.) As an exercise, you or Bob could give us some examples of
regional speech in your respective areas. That might be interesting,
but I guarantee you Bob isn't capable of doing it.

Yo, Dude!
Yeah, I'm talkin to you, mofo.
Whazzat you eatin? Onna Pat's stakes? That's some good ****.
I'm gonna get me a grinder, cause I got a long haul.
You think the Eagles gotta chance this season?
Lissen, I got a job for you.
Guy named Trotsky. Real rotten character. Yeah, right, like he ****ed my
mother and he'd still be breathin. Owes me some money. You wanna collect
your ten? Alright. He's a fat Indian dude with a big mout. I got him made,
picture an all. Lives in Glendale Hts., IL 60139. I'll get you wheels.
You make that bitch take a stroll or show him some leather. He's inta
speakers kinda ****.
An I wanna put a fat lip onta that mout. Then take the speakers, I know some
guys who drive around in white vans pretty good at unloading that ****, it's
gas money.
Alright, we'll torch it later, dude. I gotta go meet my uncle at the Social
Club.
Ciao.

trotsky said to the **** of ****s:

Yes, very Christian.

I wouldn't call you "walking, talking crap". That's how I think of
Krooger. I think you're a crazed, possibly rabid, pit bull. I disagree
with Bobo, though -- I think Krooger is a lot more grotesque than you
are. This latest episode about your little speaker company underscores
that nicely.


Bobo, are you listening? Krooger has already claimed "been there done
that" to the question of launching an audio equipment company. I
called that bluff, and the Beast sleazed off into a dark corner of his
basement, dirty underwear and all. Now trotsky may fall flat with his
speakers, as some of you hope, but at least he's not a pathological
liar.

George M. Middius a écrit :
...Now trotsky may fall flat with his speakers, as some of you hope,...

No really no, but he failed to demonstrate that he has any
potentialities and/or any *real* interest...

So Middius, now you have spent 48 hours at Salvation Army let us have
your feeling !

Bob Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
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George M. Middius wrote:


trotsky said:



Oversight--right. Your use of the language is deplorable, Bob.

And the

Silver Flutes are quite accurate. Buy some and find out.


OVERSIGHT
2.. [n] management by overseeing the performance or

operation of a

person or group



Bob, I would've thought you'd known this, but idiomatically nobody uses
that second defintion, ever.


On the contrary, it's a very common usage.



"I was overseeing the project."

"I performed an oversight on the project."

Example #2 is that of bad writing. Quit being a fool.


You're right about your silly "example #2", but that doesn't help
your main point. In fact, if you rewrote it in normal language, i.e.
"I performed oversight on the project", it is both standard and
easily understood by any speaker of English.


Can you give me an example in anything written is say, the last forty
years? This is the problem: there are dictionary definitions, and then
there is common usage. Writing that is interesting in the here and now
pays close attention to the common usage. I don't suppose I'm telling
you anything you don't already know.


A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces 1,610,000
hits.
Take your pick.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ment+oversight


How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is being
discussed, Bob?

Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.

George M. Middius a écrit :

trotsky said:


A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces 1,610,000
hits.
Take your pick.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ment+oversight



How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is being
discussed, Bob?


Nobody can really understand what happens when you try to participate
in human discussions. This thread is the classic exemplar of the
Trotsky Effect.


Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.


Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.



Middious spent so much time on RAO that he has a kind of 6th sense. Like
an animal he know before meteorologists that wind is going to change
from south to north from heat to cold.

My prediction : (LOL)
In the next days if Trotsky stay on RAO (what a pity) I predict that
Middious will be after is ass 24/24 like... Ze Pit-Bull (LOL again)

Hey Middious your life really look like a total failure...
I gess you would have been successful in politic.

WARF ! WARF ! WARF ! WARF ! WARF ! WARF ! WARF ! WARF !

George M. Middius wrote:


trotsky said:


A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces 1,610,000
hits.
Take your pick.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ment+oversight



How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is being
discussed, Bob?


Nobody can really understand what happens when you try to participate
in human discussions. This thread is the classic exemplar of the
Trotsky Effect.


Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.


Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.


That's interesting, because I've talked to numerous folks that
frequently don't know what you're on about. Bob made a stupid
statement, I called him on it, and now you've egested this mess. In
fact, I would say that if you polled 1000 people, at least ninety
percent of them would say "management oversight" meant "management
error". Agree or disagree?

trotsky blithered:

Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.

That's interesting, because I've talked to numerous folks that
frequently don't know what you're on about.

What are your little friends' names, Greg? How about Pottsy and Malph?

Bob made a stupid
statement, I called him on it, and now you've egested this mess. In
fact, I would say that if you polled 1000 people, at least ninety
percent of them would say "management oversight" meant "management
error". Agree or disagree?

In summary (my last contribution to this exchange), I am certainly not
the one to ask for a cure. I wouldn't be surprised if a competent
doctor could readily prescribe something for you, but I have no idea
what it would be.

George M. Middius a écrit :

trotsky blithered:


Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.



That's interesting, because I've talked to numerous folks that
frequently don't know what you're on about.


What are your little friends' names, Greg? How about Pottsy and Malph?


Bob made a stupid
statement, I called him on it, and now you've egested this mess. In
fact, I would say that if you polled 1000 people, at least ninety
percent of them would say "management oversight" meant "management
error". Agree or disagree?


In summary (my last contribution to this exchange), I am certainly not
the one to ask for a cure. I wouldn't be surprised if a competent
doctor could readily prescribe something for you, but I have no idea
what it would be.


In other words : you have bubonic plague get away far from me.
Hey Middious how many people are you ready to push to suicide to save
your already dirty honnor.

Like the rats Middious is always the first to leave the boat.

Middious you have consistancy and smell of diarrhoea. If you was an
indian your parents would have named you "ill-****" !

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net
Arny Krueger wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message


trotsky said:


A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces
1,610,000 hits.
Take your pick.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...agement+oversi
ght

How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is
being discussed, Bob?

Nobody can really understand what happens when you try to
participate in human discussions. This thread is the classic
exemplar of the Trotsky Effect.


Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.

Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.


Hey, Singh kept showing his face here after the cable fiasco.

Anything is possible.

And as a final kick in the nuts, you have Krueger chiming in.

I seriously doubt that it will be the final kick.

Rather Singh, I predict you'll ignore all the good advice you've received,
and go down the same low, garbage-strewn path you've always been on.

And then you will get kicked again... and again...

Perfect.

Not even close.

George M. Middius wrote:


trotsky blithered:


Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.



That's interesting, because I've talked to numerous folks that
frequently don't know what you're on about.


What are your little friends' names, Greg? How about Pottsy and Malph?



My little friends are just about anybody on rao that has communicated
with me outside the group. I can send e-mails back and forth too, you know.




Bob made a stupid
statement, I called him on it, and now you've egested this mess. In
fact, I would say that if you polled 1000 people, at least ninety
percent of them would say "management oversight" meant "management
error". Agree or disagree?


In summary (my last contribution to this exchange), I am certainly not
the one to ask for a cure. I wouldn't be surprised if a competent
doctor could readily prescribe something for you, but I have no idea
what it would be.


Lack of self awareness duly noted. You and Bob have more in common than
I thought.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net

Arny Krueger wrote:


"George M. Middius" wrote in message
m


trotsky said:



A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces
1,610,000 hits.
Take your pick.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...agement+oversi

ght


How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is
being discussed, Bob?

Nobody can really understand what happens when you try to
participate in human discussions. This thread is the classic
exemplar of the Trotsky Effect.



Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.

Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.


Hey, Singh kept showing his face here after the cable fiasco.

Anything is possible.


And as a final kick in the nuts, you have Krueger chiming in.


I seriously doubt that it will be the final kick.

Rather Singh, I predict you'll ignore all the good advice you've received,
and go down the same low, garbage-strewn path you've always been on.


That's weird, because I thought Mr. Zelniker was very helpful in
dispensing useful advice, from the point of view of somebody that really
knows what he's talking about. Then there's you, and your desecration
of the Christian faith. You see the distinction, don't you?



And then you will get kicked again... and again...


Stated like the true bad Samaritan that you are. That's cute: bad
Samaritan, BS for short.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net


That's interesting, because I've talked to numerous folks that
frequently don't know what you're on about. Bob made a stupid
statement, I called him on it, and now you've egested this mess. In
fact, I would say that if you polled 1000 people, at least ninety
percent of them would say "management oversight" meant "management
error". Agree or disagree?


Violently disagree.

If you researched this for even a second on google Singh, you'd see that
usages of the phrase "Management Oversight" virtually all relate to
overseeing management activities, not errors (oversights) by management.

I just looked it up and 20 of the first 20 hits used "Management
Oversight"
as related to overseeing management activities.

I'm not going to do any more of your homework for you, Singh.


You know, you're right Krueger. This is why Middius ducked out of the
discussion when I brought up the concept of formal vs. conversational
English. What I don't get is why people come on to discusssion groups
and are afraid to discuss things. On a similar note, I thought a guy
like you that pretends to be a Christian would be prepared to have a
theological discussion about why you're such a bad Samaritan, but I was
wrong on that front to. Oh well.

He reminds me of the knight who Cleese encounters in Monty Python's Search
for the Holy Grail.
They do battle with sword. Cleese cuts off an arm, a leg, another arm a
torso, and finally the head at the neck. Still ensconced in it's helmet, the
disconnected head stubbornly shouts challenges to battle at Cleese, as he
rides off.

This is Trotsky. We have cleaved his head off, and it lies on the ground
shrieking that I don't have any balls.

BTW, this is why I find Krueger less offensive. At least when I hit him, he
roars. Trots just keeps up the nattering yayayayaya of a head dispossessed
of its body. It's like arguing with a vocoder chip.





Cleese *was* the knight that got hacked up to a torso and decided to call it
even. King Arthur, played by Graham Chapman, did the hacking up. He only had
his arms and legs cut off.

Arny Krueger wrote:

This is going to be funny. Two whack jobs trying to judge a real person.

How long before the Mid-Yut resorts to the Oedipus references?


GeoSynch

trotsky

In a lot of ways, you are an anonymouse.
Is "Middius" your real name?

Why not call 'lil Georgie and find out:
George Middius - (301) 949-6566 - , Kensington, MD 20895

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...+Search&pb= f


GeoSynch

StynchBlob lurches back to his quotidian semicomatose state of being.

This is going to be funny. Two whack jobs trying to judge a real person.

How long before the [Middius] resorts to the Oedipus references?

How's the diet coming, Blobbo?

Hey, I admire your honesty in admitting that you respect Krooger. That
separates you cleanly from us heathens, no question.

Pudge does the Pee-Wee Herman schtick again:

How long before the Mid-Yut resorts to the Oedipus references?

Probably before week's end, lest the Pudge explode like a commode.

How's the diet coming, Blobbo?

Jolly fatman have already asked and I've already answered.

Hey, I admire your honesty in admitting that you respect Krooger.

Careful grasping at imaginary straws, 'lil George, lest you fall out of
your wheelchair and flat on your smug, gelatinous mug. :-)

That separates you cleanly from us heathens, no question.

Your destination in the afterlife is guaranteed to melt all your blubber away. ;-)


GeoSynch

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...
Arny Krueger wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message


trotsky said:


A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces
1,610,000 hits.
Take your pick.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...agement+oversi
ght

How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is
being discussed, Bob?

Nobody can really understand what happens when you try to participate
in human discussions. This thread is the classic exemplar of the
Trotsky Effect.


Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.

Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.


Hey, Singh kept showing his face here after the cable fiasco.

Anything is possible.


And as a final kick in the nuts, you have Krueger chiming in. Perfect.

When did you get nuts?

Never mind.

Bob Morein a écrit :

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...

Arny Krueger wrote:


"trotsky" wrote in message
hlink.net


[snip]
On a similar note, I thought a guy

like you that pretends to be a Christian would be prepared to have a
theological discussion about why you're such a bad Samaritan, but I was
wrong on that front to.


TOO, not "to."


Oh well.

Well what?


Well Bob cruel now. No ?

"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...
Arny Krueger wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message


trotsky said:


A Google search on the string "management oversight" produces
1,610,000 hits.
Take your pick.




http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...agement+oversi
ght

How many of those refer to errors? Do you even understand what is
being discussed, Bob?

Nobody can really understand what happens when you try to
participate in human discussions. This thread is the classic
exemplar of the Trotsky Effect.


Let me know when you make it through that 1.6 million hits.

Unbelievable. You're so ****ed up, you don't even know when you've
been trampled into dust.


Hey, Singh kept showing his face here after the cable fiasco.

Anything is possible.


And as a final kick in the nuts, you have Krueger chiming in.
Perfect.

When did you get nuts?

Singh has been nuts all along. Everybody on RAO knows that!

"Lionel Chapuis" lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote in message
...
Bob Morein a écrit :

"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...

Arny Krueger wrote:
[ snip]


Well Bob cruel now. No ?

No, saving innocents from Trotsky's poorly engineered speakers.

Are you on the side of Trotsky the Aristocrat, or Robspierre?

Bobo said to Poodleborg:

Are you on the side of Trotsky the Aristocrat, or Robspierre?

He's on Krooger's side, just like you.

Bobo: "Krooger is dangerous!"

Poodleborg: "Krooger is greatly worthwhile!"

Some people just don't give a damn about their reputations.

Bob Morein a écrit :
"Lionel Chapuis" lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote in message
...

Bob Morein a écrit :


"trotsky" wrote in message
hlink.net...


Arny Krueger wrote:

[ snip]


Well Bob cruel now. No ?


No, saving innocents from Trotsky's poorly engineered speakers.

Are you on the side of Trotsky the Aristocrat, or Robspierre?



One of our singer said :
"Mourir pour des idées d'accord mais de mort lente"
(to die for opinion... ok i'd like but slowly).
It was during the French war in Algeria (a kind of Irak...)

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Bobo said to Poodleborg:

Are you on the side of Trotsky the Aristocrat, or Robspierre?

He's on Krooger's side, just like you.

Bobo: "Krooger is dangerous!"

Poodleborg: "Krooger is greatly worthwhile!"

Some people just don't give a damn about their reputations.

I'm not on Krueger's side.
On the other hand, I'm rather suspicious of you, making Trotsky the Poster
Child of High End Audio.
Gimme a break, the guy's a fraud.
I assume you've decided to take the risk with the assumption that by this
time next year, Trotsky's enterprise will have become part of the Cretacious
sediment.

Calculating. Very calculating...

Pudge pustulated:

The real bonus will come if he actually sells some speakers
'Cause you know Gregipus will be back to gloat.

Yep, what'd I tell you - the Oedipus references would resume
before week's end. The Mid-Yut's as predictable as ever.


GeoSynch

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...

I don't expect him to succeed, if that's what you mean.

Middius, what are your qualifications as a business analyst. I predict that
you won't answer this question because the answer would embarrass you.

I don't think he knows what it will take to run a successful business.

I don't think he knows what it will take to design a sucessful speaker.

But I also applaud the nutty little fruitcake for trying. The real bonus
will come if he actually sells some speakers -- the Bug Eater and
his "****head" friend Krooger will melt down.

Nahh, stranger things have happened.

'Cause you know Gregipus will be back to gloat.

Given Singh's unfriendly relationship with the truth, he will probably just
lie about it for the heck of it.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Bobo inverts reality.

Are you on the side of Trotsky the Aristocrat, or Robspierre?

He's on Krooger's side, just like you.

Bobo: "Krooger is dangerous!"

Poodleborg: "Krooger is greatly worthwhile!"

Some people just don't give a damn about their reputations.

I'm not on Krueger's side.
On the other hand, I'm rather suspicious of you, making Trotsky the
Poster
Child of High End Audio.

Ha! Good one.

Gimme a break, the guy's a fraud.

So what? He's one little speaker company. I understand that his
entire enterprise offends you deeply, but there are several points
in his favor. For one, he's actually trying to make a living in
audio.

It sounds like "making a living in audio" is a worthiness criteria for you.
I fail to see how it makes one meritorious. By itself, it means nothing.

You're not. In fact, you're nothing but a slug, nursing a
screenplay for 20 years and trying to squeeze a victory out of a
silly lawsuit.
For another, you haven't even heard the speakers.
That, by the way, is the strongest bond you have with Kroo**** --
smugly pontificating about something you can't do yourself.

Now that's not fair.
Either Krueger, you, or I could do what Trotsky's doing. The formulas can be
evaluated on a pocket calculator. But it's well known that the formula are
only an approximation. Professionals spend six months with sawdust flying to
work the bugs out of a design. Trotsky hasn't done that.

If Trotsky had put in the work, I would respect the effort, regardless of
how odious a guy he is. You don't seem to realize that he's skipped the
design step, skipped the elbow grease.

I gather you feel that there is some chance that Trotsky hit the right
combination, either by accident, or by some process you prefer to assume
succeeded. I'm telling you that the chance of that occurence is vanishingly
small. Compare it to teaching someone creative writing without knowing
what's in Strunk's first.

Even if he DID somehow win the Publishers Clearinghouse of speaker design,
bass reflex is notoriously sensitive to driver variations. It goes boomy/
hollow with variations that occur on a regular basis with drivers of
established quality. When John Bau, a real artist, was building the TC-50,
he tested everything, and modified the drivers, even though his design was a
much less tempermental sealed box. He could have one lucky pair, and **** up
every second unit. And Chinese drivers are all over the map. They have to be
graded.

Unfortunately, I can't hear the speakers, and nobody else can, unless they
pay out $1300 for a bad bet.
There are musicians and amateurs who have built very good speakers. It takes
them forever, but patience can replace resources.

[snip]
But I
also applaud the nutty little fruitcake for trying. The real bonus
will come if he actually sells some speakers -- the Bug Eater and
his "****head" friend Krooger will melt down. 'Cause you know
Gregipus will be back to gloat.

If he had put in the elbow grease, I'd be clapping too. I would not let my
personal antipathy stand in the way. You have observed that Greg prepares
his arguments poorly, appears obtuse -- you say stupid -- and generally, is
overly verbal about things he hasn't thought out. Unfortunately, this is a
general manifestation of his personality which has extended to this latest
folly. Please think about the one or two guys who could, maybe, actually
purchase the product, be unhappy, and be out of a lot of dough. Aren't the
future victims worthy of your concern?

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:58:04 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

If he had put in the elbow grease, I'd be clapping too. I would not let my
personal antipathy stand in the way. You have observed that Greg prepares
his arguments poorly, appears obtuse -- you say stupid -- and generally, is
overly verbal about things he hasn't thought out. Unfortunately, this is a
general manifestation of his personality which has extended to this latest
folly.

irony alert

Bob Morein wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Bobo inverts reality.


Are you on the side of Trotsky the Aristocrat, or Robspierre?

He's on Krooger's side, just like you.

Bobo: "Krooger is dangerous!"

Poodleborg: "Krooger is greatly worthwhile!"

Some people just don't give a damn about their reputations.


I'm not on Krueger's side.
On the other hand, I'm rather suspicious of you, making Trotsky the

Poster

Child of High End Audio.

Ha! Good one.


Gimme a break, the guy's a fraud.

So what? He's one little speaker company. I understand that his
entire enterprise offends you deeply, but there are several points
in his favor. For one, he's actually trying to make a living in
audio.


It sounds like "making a living in audio" is a worthiness criteria


Criteria is plural, Bob, and "a worthiness criteria" doesn't make sense
on several levels. Perhaps George can figure it out.