Hi,

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500 with 4,000
being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500 and then doing
cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around 200 to 300 dollars).
All i am looking at buying was an AV Receiver, and a Set of 5
Speakers......and leaving the sub out for moment (and purchasing that in
about a years time when i have the cash flow again).

I want to use the system for about 50% music, 50% movies, that is why the
Sub can wait a little while. And having a young family who do not
appreciate loud movies at night with booming Base its fine. The Sub i saw
that i liked for my budget was the Richter Thor which i think retails around
the 1,000 mark.

The AV Receiver i have looked at and LIked was the ONKYO SR502 or 602
(SR502
retails for 899 in Aust, and the 602 for 1399)....Now i know i can get
these
cheaper....realistically teh most i would want to spend on a receiver is
around that 1,000.

The only other receiver i have been looking at but yet to try was one of the
DENON's either for my budget will probably be the 2105. Which i dont think
has as good a features as teh SR602.

Leaving around 2,500 for Speakers...
So far i have tried the Wharfedales and Missions that i liked..... (I think
the Wharf's sounded best when i tried them against the DB Dynamics, and
Accusounds), and i tried the Missions in a shop against the Mordent-SHorts
(probably spelt wrong)...
I am still to try brands like Krix, KEF, Whatmough, Dali...

The KEF Q series seem to get glowing review and i know they are a stretch,
but without a sub they fit in my budget, and i love the asthetic look of
them. I dont mind the Wharfedales either.

Can anyone give me some decent advice mainly on what speakers are going to
be good to try on my budget.....and what speakers i am really wasting my
time trying.....it would be much appreciated..
As most shops in the sydney area only have maybe one or two of these brands
so it is really hard to do a cross comparision of all teh speakers at the
same time..

My musical taste is mainly orchestral soundtracks (Ie. John Williams, James
Horner, etc) , classical/theatre, pop (Maroon 5, G.Michael, Crowded House,
etc), rock (Queen, u2, etc)..

Also if there is another news group i should be posting this article to for
feedback please advise and i will do that as well.


THanks a Heap,
Anthony

"Weichert O'Donohoe Family" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Hi!

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500 with
4,000
being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500 and then doing
cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around 200 to 300 dollars).
All i am looking at buying was an AV Receiver, and a Set of 5
Speakers......and leaving the sub out for moment (and purchasing that in
about a years time when i have the cash flow again).

You're talking in Australian dollars, right? So that's £1500 or about US
$2500.

The AV Receiver i have looked at and LIked was the ONKYO SR502 or 602
(SR502
retails for 899 in Aust, and the 602 for 1399)....Now i know i can get
these
cheaper....realistically teh most i would want to spend on a receiver is
around that 1,000.

The only other receiver i have been looking at but yet to try was one of
the
DENON's either for my budget will probably be the 2105. Which i dont
think
has as good a features as teh SR602.

I don't know about the Onkyos but I've got a 2105 and it's hard to fault. I
haven't noticed it missing any features either.

Leaving around 2,500 for Speakers...
So far i have tried the Wharfedales and Missions that i liked..... (I
think
the Wharf's sounded best when i tried them against the DB Dynamics, and
Accusounds), and i tried the Missions in a shop against the Mordent-SHorts
(probably spelt wrong)...

Which Wharfedales did you try? I was appalled by the Diamond 9s. I ended up
with Mission Volares, 2 pairs of V60s and a V6C. No sub but that hardly
matters - the bass was so impressive when I tested them in the shop that I
was wondering if they'd secretly hidden a sub somewhere!

By the way don't buy a combination of Denon and Missions without listening
to it. The sound may be a bit too bright for some and possibly a little weak
in the midrange (although I'm not convinced mine are properly run-in yet -
they're still improving after a couple of months).

The KEF Q series seem to get glowing review and i know they are a stretch,
but without a sub they fit in my budget, and i love the asthetic look of
them. I dont mind the Wharfedales either.

The Volares are pretty gorgeous too :-)

Can anyone give me some decent advice mainly on what speakers are going to
be good to try on my budget.....and what speakers i am really wasting my
time trying.....it would be much appreciated..
As most shops in the sydney area only have maybe one or two of these
brands
so it is really hard to do a cross comparision of all teh speakers at the
same time..

I know how you feel - I think the only place in Britain you can get a decent
selection is London. I realised after buying mine that I should have found
some B&Ws to listen to.

My musical taste is mainly orchestral soundtracks (Ie. John Williams,
James
Horner, etc) , classical/theatre, pop (Maroon 5, G.Michael, Crowded House,
etc), rock (Queen, u2, etc)..

Also if there is another news group i should be posting this article to
for
feedback please advise and i will do that as well.

uk.rec.audio seems to be pretty lively and there are some knowledgable
regulars.

Rich

If your in Sydney, go down to Hi-Fi Junction at Bondi, or Audio Connection
at Parramatta Road, Leichhardt. He has a far bit of trade stuff, also
superseded stuff. Len Wallis, North Sydney, also has traded stuff, check out
the web sites of both.
With that sort of money, you should be able to pick up a package deal, keep
an eye on the Sydney Morning Herald's Monday Supplement , "the guide" for
specials in Hi-Fi.
As for spending that sort of money on Cables. You have rocks in your head,
or do fancy named cables, in equally fancy packages, costing fancy prices,
convince you that your getting better sound. Very doubtful..
bassett


"Rich Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Weichert O'Donohoe Family" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Hi!

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500 with
4,000
being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500 and then doing
cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around 200 to 300
dollars).
All i am looking at buying was an AV Receiver, and a Set of 5
Speakers......and leaving the sub out for moment (and purchasing that in
about a years time when i have the cash flow again).

You're talking in Australian dollars, right? So that's £1500 or about US
$2500.

The AV Receiver i have looked at and LIked was the ONKYO SR502 or 602
(SR502
retails for 899 in Aust, and the 602 for 1399)....Now i know i can get
these
cheaper....realistically teh most i would want to spend on a receiver is
around that 1,000.

The only other receiver i have been looking at but yet to try was one of
the
DENON's either for my budget will probably be the 2105. Which i dont
think
has as good a features as teh SR602.

I don't know about the Onkyos but I've got a 2105 and it's hard to fault.
I haven't noticed it missing any features either.

Leaving around 2,500 for Speakers...
So far i have tried the Wharfedales and Missions that i liked..... (I
think
the Wharf's sounded best when i tried them against the DB Dynamics, and
Accusounds), and i tried the Missions in a shop against the
Mordent-SHorts
(probably spelt wrong)...

Which Wharfedales did you try? I was appalled by the Diamond 9s. I ended
up with Mission Volares, 2 pairs of V60s and a V6C. No sub but that hardly
matters - the bass was so impressive when I tested them in the shop that I
was wondering if they'd secretly hidden a sub somewhere!

By the way don't buy a combination of Denon and Missions without listening
to it. The sound may be a bit too bright for some and possibly a little
weak in the midrange (although I'm not convinced mine are properly run-in
yet - they're still improving after a couple of months).

The KEF Q series seem to get glowing review and i know they are a
stretch,
but without a sub they fit in my budget, and i love the asthetic look of
them. I dont mind the Wharfedales either.

The Volares are pretty gorgeous too :-)

Can anyone give me some decent advice mainly on what speakers are going
to
be good to try on my budget.....and what speakers i am really wasting my
time trying.....it would be much appreciated..
As most shops in the sydney area only have maybe one or two of these
brands
so it is really hard to do a cross comparision of all teh speakers at the
same time..

I know how you feel - I think the only place in Britain you can get a
decent selection is London. I realised after buying mine that I should
have found some B&Ws to listen to.

My musical taste is mainly orchestral soundtracks (Ie. John Williams,
James
Horner, etc) , classical/theatre, pop (Maroon 5, G.Michael, Crowded
House,
etc), rock (Queen, u2, etc)..

Also if there is another news group i should be posting this article to
for
feedback please advise and i will do that as well.

uk.rec.audio seems to be pretty lively and there are some knowledgable
regulars.

Rich

The Cable budget.............well it was not all of $500
dollars..............that was a buffer..........
I want to spend as near to 3,500 as possible on receivers and
speakers...........and then i anticipate around the 200 approx on cabling as
it is a large room (6 x 6 m).....with the cables going through roof and
stuff.....
this way if i needed an extra few hundred to get the receiver i want or
speakers i have it.....

Thanks for the Advice when it came to speakers......
It was not the Diamonds i tried in the Wharf's ....i cant remember what it
was but i know the diamonds and it was not them.....

I did like the missions as well so i will go back and check them out and
also try the lot you suggested.....

Yes my budget of around the 3,500 to 4,000 is approx 1,500 pounds....

I saw in JB Hi-fi today they had the Onkyo SR502 for 580 dollars reduced
from around the 850..... (retails for 899)....so that may be the receiver i
go for after i try a few on teh weekend......as i tried it last weekend and
did like the sound it produced....
Also if i get it that cheap it leaves me around 3,000 to spend on speakers
which means i can delve into a 2,000 Rec retail pair....as opposed to around
that 1,500 pair....

I will also try out those stores....was planning to go to Sydney Hifi and
Life style store at parra this weekend as well as JB hifi at
Parra..............may also try and squeeze in Len Wallis as well. My m
ate has shopped there a bit he said it was like Disney land when it came to
hifi shopping.....(ie. nothing beats it in sydney)....

Bassett, did you have any recommendations for speakers i should be trying
for around a 3,000 package??? (i am still to try some whatmough's, dali's,
KEF's). Like i said i was only impressed so far with Missions and
WHarfedales.....




" Dogs Breath" wrote in message
...
If your in Sydney, go down to Hi-Fi Junction at Bondi, or Audio Connection
at Parramatta Road, Leichhardt. He has a far bit of trade stuff, also
superseded stuff. Len Wallis, North Sydney, also has traded stuff, check
out
the web sites of both.
With that sort of money, you should be able to pick up a package deal,
keep
an eye on the Sydney Morning Herald's Monday Supplement , "the guide" for
specials in Hi-Fi.
As for spending that sort of money on Cables. You have rocks in your
head,
or do fancy named cables, in equally fancy packages, costing fancy prices,
convince you that your getting better sound. Very doubtful..
bassett


"Rich Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Weichert O'Donohoe Family" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Hi!

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500 with
4,000
being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500 and then doing
cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around 200 to 300
dollars).
All i am looking at buying was an AV Receiver, and a Set of 5
Speakers......and leaving the sub out for moment (and purchasing that
in
about a years time when i have the cash flow again).

You're talking in Australian dollars, right? So that's £1500 or about US
$2500.

The AV Receiver i have looked at and LIked was the ONKYO SR502 or 602
(SR502
retails for 899 in Aust, and the 602 for 1399)....Now i know i can get
these
cheaper....realistically teh most i would want to spend on a receiver
is
around that 1,000.

The only other receiver i have been looking at but yet to try was one
of
the
DENON's either for my budget will probably be the 2105. Which i dont
think
has as good a features as teh SR602.

I don't know about the Onkyos but I've got a 2105 and it's hard to
fault.
I haven't noticed it missing any features either.

Leaving around 2,500 for Speakers...
So far i have tried the Wharfedales and Missions that i liked..... (I
think
the Wharf's sounded best when i tried them against the DB Dynamics, and
Accusounds), and i tried the Missions in a shop against the
Mordent-SHorts
(probably spelt wrong)...

Which Wharfedales did you try? I was appalled by the Diamond 9s. I ended
up with Mission Volares, 2 pairs of V60s and a V6C. No sub but that
hardly
matters - the bass was so impressive when I tested them in the shop that
I
was wondering if they'd secretly hidden a sub somewhere!

By the way don't buy a combination of Denon and Missions without
listening
to it. The sound may be a bit too bright for some and possibly a little
weak in the midrange (although I'm not convinced mine are properly
run-in
yet - they're still improving after a couple of months).

The KEF Q series seem to get glowing review and i know they are a
stretch,
but without a sub they fit in my budget, and i love the asthetic look
of
them. I dont mind the Wharfedales either.

The Volares are pretty gorgeous too :-)

Can anyone give me some decent advice mainly on what speakers are going
to
be good to try on my budget.....and what speakers i am really wasting
my
time trying.....it would be much appreciated..
As most shops in the sydney area only have maybe one or two of these
brands
so it is really hard to do a cross comparision of all teh speakers at
the
same time..

I know how you feel - I think the only place in Britain you can get a
decent selection is London. I realised after buying mine that I should
have found some B&Ws to listen to.

My musical taste is mainly orchestral soundtracks (Ie. John Williams,
James
Horner, etc) , classical/theatre, pop (Maroon 5, G.Michael, Crowded
House,
etc), rock (Queen, u2, etc)..

Also if there is another news group i should be posting this article to
for
feedback please advise and i will do that as well.

uk.rec.audio seems to be pretty lively and there are some knowledgable
regulars.

Rich

I would say that you should be able to get all the cabling for between 50
and 100 dollars.
Have a look at WES at Ashfield, www.wescomponents.com Go to section 13
cables, Soundlink 18 awg speaker cable 50 meters $29.75, and guess what you
get, the exact same thing "Monster" supply, without the fancy bit of brass
and shrink rap. As for interconnects. I use RG6 co-ax with 8mm entry RCA
plugs also from Wes.

As for Speaker recommendations, What suits one person, does not suit
another, also consider what your Amps are, different makes, react
differently, Whatmough, make a nice product, as do B & W. as for what I
use with my Rotel stuff. I'm using Peerless, in my own cabinets.
Have a look here, http://www.audioenz.co.nz/ go to the general section
in the forum and look for Scan Speak. I have pictures there of my last
effort.
Actually, there is some very good information on there forum, and they also
have test reports on varies Hi-end stuff. You can read only, without
registering. Or free register to post.
bassett


"Weichert O'Donohoe Family" wrote in message
...
The Cable budget.............well it was not all of $500
dollars..............that was a buffer..........
check them out and
also try the lot you suggested....

CLIP
..
Bassett, did you have any recommendations for speakers i should be trying
for around a 3,000 package??? (i am still to try some whatmough's, dali's,
KEF's). Like i said i was only impressed so far with Missions and
WHarfedales.....




" Dogs Breath" wrote in message
...
If your in Sydney, go down to Hi-Fi Junction at Bondi, or Audio
Connection
at Parramatta Road, Leichhardt. He has a far bit of trade stuff, also
superseded stuff. Len Wallis, North Sydney, also has traded stuff, check
out
the web sites of both.
With that sort of money, you should be able to pick up a package deal,
keep
an eye on the Sydney Morning Herald's Monday Supplement , "the guide" for
specials in Hi-Fi.
As for spending that sort of money on Cables. You have rocks in your
head,
or do fancy named cables, in equally fancy packages, costing fancy
prices,
convince you that your getting better sound. Very doubtful..
bassett


"Rich Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Weichert O'Donohoe Family" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Hi!

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500 with
4,000
being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500 and then
doing
cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around 200 to 300
dollars).
All i am looking at buying was an AV Receiver, and a Set of 5
Speakers......and leaving the sub out for moment (and purchasing that
in
about a years time when i have the cash flow again).

You're talking in Australian dollars, right? So that's £1500 or about
US
$2500.

The AV Receiver i have looked at and LIked was the ONKYO SR502 or 602
(SR502
retails for 899 in Aust, and the 602 for 1399)....Now i know i can get
these
cheaper....realistically teh most i would want to spend on a receiver
is
around that 1,000.

The only other receiver i have been looking at but yet to try was one
of
the
DENON's either for my budget will probably be the 2105. Which i dont
think
has as good a features as teh SR602.

I don't know about the Onkyos but I've got a 2105 and it's hard to
fault.
I haven't noticed it missing any features either.

Leaving around 2,500 for Speakers...
So far i have tried the Wharfedales and Missions that i liked..... (I
think
the Wharf's sounded best when i tried them against the DB Dynamics,
and
Accusounds), and i tried the Missions in a shop against the
Mordent-SHorts
(probably spelt wrong)...

Which Wharfedales did you try? I was appalled by the Diamond 9s. I
ended
up with Mission Volares, 2 pairs of V60s and a V6C. No sub but that
hardly
matters - the bass was so impressive when I tested them in the shop
that
I
was wondering if they'd secretly hidden a sub somewhere!

By the way don't buy a combination of Denon and Missions without
listening
to it. The sound may be a bit too bright for some and possibly a little
weak in the midrange (although I'm not convinced mine are properly
run-in
yet - they're still improving after a couple of months).

The KEF Q series seem to get glowing review and i know they are a
stretch,
but without a sub they fit in my budget, and i love the asthetic look
of
them. I dont mind the Wharfedales either.

The Volares are pretty gorgeous too :-)

Can anyone give me some decent advice mainly on what speakers are
going
to
be good to try on my budget.....and what speakers i am really wasting
my
time trying.....it would be much appreciated..
As most shops in the sydney area only have maybe one or two of these
brands
so it is really hard to do a cross comparision of all teh speakers at
the
same time..

I know how you feel - I think the only place in Britain you can get a
decent selection is London. I realised after buying mine that I should
have found some B&Ws to listen to.

My musical taste is mainly orchestral soundtracks (Ie. John Williams,
James
Horner, etc) , classical/theatre, pop (Maroon 5, G.Michael, Crowded
House,
etc), rock (Queen, u2, etc)..

Also if there is another news group i should be posting this article
to
for
feedback please advise and i will do that as well.

uk.rec.audio seems to be pretty lively and there are some knowledgable
regulars.

Rich

Weichert O'Donohoe Family wrote:
Hi,

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500
with 4,000 being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500
and then doing cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around
200 to 300 dollars).

Save yourself some money and go to the local home store for your cables...at
least the speaker cables.

jak

"Weichert O'Donohoe Family" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I am looking to make a Hi-Fi system at home for around the 3,500 with
4,000
being my upper limit. I was looking at staying at 3,500 and then doing
cabling on top of that (which i expect will be around 200 to 300 dollars).
All i am looking at buying was an AV Receiver, and a Set of 5
Speakers......and leaving the sub out for moment (and purchasing that in
about a years time when i have the cash flow again).

I want to use the system for about 50% music, 50% movies, that is why the
Sub can wait a little while. And having a young family who do not
appreciate loud movies at night with booming Base its fine. The Sub i saw
that i liked for my budget was the Richter Thor which i think retails
around
the 1,000 mark.

The AV Receiver i have looked at and LIked was the ONKYO SR502 or 602
(SR502
retails for 899 in Aust, and the 602 for 1399)....Now i know i can get
these
cheaper....realistically teh most i would want to spend on a receiver is
around that 1,000.

The only other receiver i have been looking at but yet to try was one of
the
DENON's either for my budget will probably be the 2105. Which i dont
think
has as good a features as teh SR602.

Leaving around 2,500 for Speakers...
So far i have tried the Wharfedales and Missions that i liked..... (I
think
the Wharf's sounded best when i tried them against the DB Dynamics, and
Accusounds), and i tried the Missions in a shop against the Mordent-SHorts
(probably spelt wrong)...
I am still to try brands like Krix, KEF, Whatmough, Dali...

The KEF Q series seem to get glowing review and i know they are a stretch,
but without a sub they fit in my budget, and i love the asthetic look of
them. I dont mind the Wharfedales either.

Can anyone give me some decent advice mainly on what speakers are going to
be good to try on my budget.....and what speakers i am really wasting my
time trying.....it would be much appreciated..
As most shops in the sydney area only have maybe one or two of these
brands
so it is really hard to do a cross comparision of all teh speakers at the
same time..

My musical taste is mainly orchestral soundtracks (Ie. John Williams,
James
Horner, etc) , classical/theatre, pop (Maroon 5, G.Michael, Crowded House,
etc), rock (Queen, u2, etc)..

Also if there is another news group i should be posting this article to
for
feedback please advise and i will do that as well.

Not that this will help at all but I would seriously suggest getting
separate setups for music and film. They are two different forms and demand
different setups. Music is more about getting into the mind of the composer,
and film is more about the experience. For music, get a system that plays
the notes correctly. For film, get a 5.1 system. I like Maggies for music
and a well-matched 5.1 system for film, consisting of standard drivers in a
line array. Positioning the sub will take some time, but it will be worth it
in the end. The line array is good because it spreads out the sound well,
and most movie soundtracks are balanced for this type of hardware. With
movies it's about impact and ambience, and with music it's about intimacy. I
would never trade my Beringers for Maggies, but I would also never trade
Maggies for some box speaker for music. I guess what I'm saying is that you
should figure on spending the most on what you really, truly love, be it
music or movies. I chose music, and got Beringers for my computer. They have
been wonderful. I have heard Maggies plenty of times, and if I could afford
them I would scarf them up in a heartbeat. But be that as it may, I still
think you should think about what you will be listening to the most and
throw your dollars towards that.