As with all arguments dominated by extremists, there is a Middle of the
Road, a Happy Medium, a Golden Mean.
The argument of its inhabitants is seldom heard, drowned out by the
extremists.
Yet J.S. Mill said, "Truth is found at the meeting of opposites", or close.

Surely there must be some application of this modality to audio.
Is it not possible to exclude extremes of all sorts, and thus live in Happy
Harmony?

My heart cries out for Dave de Villiers, who, with incomparable eloquence,
said,
"Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity... "

Perhaps we should look into our hearts to find The Path, namely, the path to
the Village of the Happy Nice People, where Bozak echoes through the trees.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

Perhaps we should look into our hearts to find The Path, namely, the path
to
the Village of the Happy Nice People, where Bozak echoes through the
trees.

I'm sorry, Robert, but when TubeGuy says "Nyqvist be damned. I know what I
hear.", I am compelled by my own intellectual integrity to correct him.

I do staunchly believe that ears are the best guide, but I also believe that
DBTs can be a valid testing methodology for components. After all, a bulk of
the British hi-fi press - What Hi-Fi and Hi-Fi Choice - does employ them.

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio enthusiast/audiophile
community by reviewing products such as the Tice Clock.

I am of the school of thought that if a cable requires a break-in period,
then it is a defective cable.

Robert Morein said:

My heart cries out for Dave de Villiers, who, with incomparable eloquence,
said,
"Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity... "

Give it up, Bobo. Dave just wants an excuse to be pulled back in.

Schizoid Man wrote:
Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

John Atkinson wrote:
Schizoid Man wrote:
Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do. In your case,
you drew the line at giving a positive review to a blatantly fraudulent
"device" marketed by cold-blooded cynics. Congratulations.
There are still positive reviews of Shakti Stones, Mpingo Discs, "cable
cookers" and other assorted BS to answer for, Atkinson.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Robert Morein said:

My heart cries out for Dave de Villiers, who, with incomparable
eloquence,
said,
"Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity... "

Give it up, Bobo. Dave just wants an excuse to be pulled back in.

Typo: I meant to say "Muzak".

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

Perhaps we should look into our hearts to find The Path, namely, the
path
to
the Village of the Happy Nice People, where Bozak echoes through the
trees.

I'm sorry, Robert, but when TubeGuy says "Nyqvist be damned. I know what I
hear.", I am compelled by my own intellectual integrity to correct him.

I do staunchly believe that ears are the best guide, but I also believe
that
DBTs can be a valid testing methodology for components. After all, a bulk
of
the British hi-fi press - What Hi-Fi and Hi-Fi Choice - does employ them.

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio enthusiast/audiophile
community by reviewing products such as the Tice Clock.

I am of the school of thought that if a cable requires a break-in period,
then it is a defective cable.

Why? A little time, a little current, a little healing for cold solder
joints ?

little torrie****s writes:

you've got assorted BS to answer for, Atkinson.



zzzzzz.........

"John Atkinson" wrote in message

Schizoid Man wrote:

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

John,

Perhaps you mistake my criticism for ire, and if you do so I do apologize.
The magazine has been endlessley debated in this forum and, in my opinion,
with good reason.

I do understand that Stereophile is first and foremost a business, and at
second a collection of individual opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. I
do, however, feel that your magazine could have a better job of educating
our community. That is the depth of my complaint with the publication.

Regarding the Tice Clock itself, if memory serves correctly Sam Tellig did
write that he system never sound better when it was plugged in, though he
was wisely reluctant to attribute the improvement to the clock itself.
However, the brouhaha that followed was hardly surprising. Human beings are
a subjective lot. Jumping to conclusions is what we do.

Regarding you personally, I have on more than one occasion commended you for
the restraint you have exercised here. I know first hand how trying this
forum can be (if I did use your magazine as cannon fodder, I do, again,
apologize).

Regards,
Schiz

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com...
Schizoid Man wrote:
Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

I believe it would be fair to say that I've never seen an official
endorsement, as per the Recommended Components List, of a dubious device.
However, one's reputation can be tarred as well by mere association. "We
shall be known by the company we keep". Does mere consideration of a
doubtful device confer upon it a degree of acceptance? Many readers of
Stereophile participate in the hobby with associational, rather than
logical, thought processes. They may infer something that was not intended.
A further amplification of this assocational effect has been given, at
times, by Sam Gilette, in his apparent effusive endorsement of dubious
strategies for sound improvement.

Internet service providers escape responsibility for posted content via the
Internet Decency Act of 1996, which absolved them from legal liability,
provided that they have no mechanism or policy to moderate content.
Conversely, if they do have a policy, they are fully responsible for posted
content. The analogous question would be, "Is Stereophile an open,
unmoderated forum, or is there a central authority that is clearly
responsible for its content?" I believe it is clear that the second case
applies.

Because Stereophile is the result of a very active content shaping process,
it can not claim protection from criticism by an argument similar to the
above. The review of items considered dubious by some or many is a directed,
conscious decision by Stereophile's management. In the absence of a
"nondiscriminatory" reason for consideration, another might be lack of a
priori knowledge that a product is worthless or fraudulent. The problem with
this argument, IMHO, is that for many years Stereophile ignored cheap,
utilitarian equipment, as well as certain offerings of mass-market Japanese
manufacturers that performed far in excess of typical mass market equipment.
In what I recall as an approximation of your position, Stereophile is
exclusive as opposed to inclusive.

John, my guess is that you intended to give the readers some light-hearted
fun. Here, you are in the midst of some very opinionated people. Some of us
have our own opinions regarding what we imagine to be Stereophile's paternal
obligation. Obviously, the magazine is shaped by your vision, and what an
interesting vision it is! Unfortunately, in a world where it is the single
most important audio magazine, there is ever less chance to find truth in
diversity.

John Atkinson said:

"Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that doesn't
make such a good story, does it."

It's meaningless in light of the magazine's cowardice in matters such
as Shakti Stones, Green Pens, and other like scams. The best story
would be making sure the things advertised actually do what is claimed,
and not accepting advertising for things that don't.

Why should anyone care if somebody who is commiting fraud, refuses to
advertise in your pages?

Robert Anti-science" Morein wrote:

"Why? A little time, a little current, a little healing for cold solder

joints ? "


I shall look forward to the bias controlled listening tests that you
can use to demonstrate that cables have a break-in period.

wrote in message
ps.com...
Robert Anti-science" Morein wrote:

"Why? A little time, a little current, a little healing for cold solder

joints ? "


I shall look forward to the bias controlled listening tests that you
can use to demonstrate that cables have a break-in period.

That's a joke, Son, a joke.

In article ,
" wrote:

Robert Anti-science" Morein wrote:

"Why? A little time, a little current, a little healing for cold solder

joints ? "


I shall look forward to the bias controlled listening tests that you
can use to demonstrate that cables have a break-in period..

You'll be waiting a long time for my sick son Bob to do anything, NYOB! My
sick son Bob thinks he's an "expert" in everything, what we called in my day
"an asshole know-it-all". He's now planning to "invent" something in the
"home energy" field, but keep in mind he's 53 years old and has NEVER HAD A
PAYING JOB. NEVER!

You expect he has the patience and desire to do something as simple as a
listening test???? How do you think someone gets to be 53 without even
having a simple job, much less a career?

Here's a summary of the sad history of my son Bob.

Unfortunately, Bob can NEVER admit he's been beaten, or he's wrong. He
spent 12 years in college trying to write a thesis that was totally without
any scientific merit. When Drexel got tired of his bleating about not
giving him a degree, he sued them. And even after he was proven IN COURT to
have been wrong, he insisted on appealing to the Supreme Court in
Washington.

And to this day, still believes that THEY are wrong, too!

So you're not going to change him, god knows his mother tried and it killed
her.



Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS

PROVEN PUBLISHED FACTS about my Son, Robert Morein
--

Bob Morein History
--
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...ws/4853918.htm

Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
By L. STUART DITZEN
Philadelphia Inquirer

PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.

They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
to challenge his dismissal.

The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.

"It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
do come to a larger issue here."

An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.

A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
by the media and the public.

Because no one gives a **** about a 50 year old loser.

But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.

Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
computer engineering.

Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
patented.

A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.


In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.

An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.


Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.

Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.

That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.

Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
state Superior Court.

The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
affairs was reasserted.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
litigation, that would have been the end of it.

But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.

Daddy throws more money down the crapper.

His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
compensation.

"Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
happened to him is pretty common."

It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.


Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."

"I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
"We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
pursuing self-destructive litigation."

No **** sherlock.

The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.

His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
and electronic systems.

The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
nuclear plant or a computer.

My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.


Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
through a university lawyer, declined to comment.

At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
related to estimation theory.

Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
industrial processes.

Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
problem Kalata had presented.

Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.

K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.

Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
became alienated from Kalata.

As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.

Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.

In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
asked for a new faculty adviser.

The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.

He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.

Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
complete his thesis.

So Morein ****s up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then ****s up again! Brilliant!


Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.

Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.


Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."

So much for political machine judges.

The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
about 100 of them.

Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
Pennsylvania courts.

Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.

Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.


"I had to seek closure," he said.

Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.

Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
bulletlike stream of water.


FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED

But none of it is what he had imagined for himself.

"I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very
gnawing thing."

"Sylvan Morein" wrote in message

Robert Anti-science" Morein wrote:

"Why? A little time, a little current, a little healing for cold solder

joints ? "

You'll be waiting a long time for my sick son Bob to do anything, NYOB!
My
sick son Bob thinks he's an "expert" in everything, what we called in my
day
"an asshole know-it-all". He's now planning to "invent" something in the
"home energy" field, but keep in mind he's 53 years old and has NEVER HAD
A
PAYING JOB. NEVER!

Judging by the length of your post, I'd say that you don't have a paying job
either, sir.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Sylvan Morein" wrote in message

Robert Anti-science" Morein wrote:

"Why? A little time, a little current, a little healing for cold solder

joints ? "

You'll be waiting a long time for my sick son Bob to do anything, NYOB!
My
sick son Bob thinks he's an "expert" in everything, what we called in my
day
"an asshole know-it-all". He's now planning to "invent" something in
the
"home energy" field, but keep in mind he's 53 years old and has NEVER
HAD
A
PAYING JOB. NEVER!

Judging by the length of your post, I'd say that you don't have a paying
job
either, sir.

It's Bwian. He's been posting from highwinds-media.com on this group.
And, as I pointed out, I was joking.

Robert Morein said:

And, as I pointed out, I was joking.

Did you get a permit for this "joking"? Otherwise, the Hivies won't be able
to distinguish it from "claims".

John Atkinson wrote:
Schizoid Man wrote:
Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that
doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

Yup, and the same thing happened with Shatki stones and any
number of vastly overpriced, overhyped and plain old snake
oil type products.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Robert Morein said:

And, as I pointed out, I was joking.

Did you get a permit for this "joking"? Otherwise, the Hivies won't be
able
to distinguish it from "claims".

No. When I get in a penitent mood, I'm sure the full import will hit me.

"Schizoid Man" said:

I do staunchly believe that ears are the best guide, but I also believe that
DBTs can be a valid testing methodology for components.


You don't use your ears in a DBT? ;-)

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

wrote in message
oups.com...


John Atkinson wrote:
Schizoid Man wrote:
Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

Sounds like a bicycle grease monkey is one of them :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

wrote:

John Atkinson wrote:

Schizoid Man wrote:

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost
churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock
was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they
canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that
doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

It makes the story more interesting, or at least more
confusing.


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

So, I'm told. But then RAO has the Middius clique, doesn't
it?

In your case, you drew the line at giving a positive
review to a blatantly
fraudulent "device" marketed by cold-blooded cynics.

That strikes me as a pretty good description of the Tice
Clock.

Congratulations.

We thus might have some measure of the depths that SP won't
go down to.

There are still positive reviews of Shakti Stones, Mpingo
Discs,
"cable cookers" and other assorted BS to answer for,
Atkinson.

How do you distinguish these from the Tice clock?

;-)

Bwian McCarty wrote
rdnews.com...

FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED


Hello Bwian,

Does it really take ALL of that to make *you* feel superior?

Margaret

Margaret von B. said:

Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

Sounds like a bicycle grease monkey is one of them :-)

LOL (really).

Hey, I think I heard a shoelace pop in San Fran. Must be a humor quake.

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote:

John Atkinson wrote:

Schizoid Man wrote:

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost
churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock
was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they
canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that
doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

It makes the story more interesting, or at least more
confusing.


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

So, I'm told. But then RAO has the Middius clique, doesn't
it?

In your case, you drew the line at giving a positive
review to a blatantly
fraudulent "device" marketed by cold-blooded cynics.

That strikes me as a pretty good description of the Tice
Clock.

Congratulations.

We thus might have some measure of the depths that SP won't
go down to.

There are still positive reviews of Shakti Stones, Mpingo
Discs,
"cable cookers" and other assorted BS to answer for,
Atkinson.


How do you distinguish these from the Tice clock?



a) The Tice Clock is such a transparent hoax that even the sponge-brain
writers at the Pile could see through it.

b) Atkinson needed a sacrifical lamb to establish some credibility and
the Tice Clock was an easy target.

c) Tice didn't buy enough ad space

d) All of the above

OR?????


I like "d". ;-)

wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote:

John Atkinson wrote:

Schizoid Man wrote:

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost
churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock
was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they
canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that
doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

It makes the story more interesting, or at least more
confusing.


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

So, I'm told. But then RAO has the Middius clique, doesn't
it?

In your case, you drew the line at giving a positive
review to a blatantly
fraudulent "device" marketed by cold-blooded cynics.

That strikes me as a pretty good description of the Tice
Clock.

Congratulations.

We thus might have some measure of the depths that SP won't
go down to.

There are still positive reviews of Shakti Stones, Mpingo
Discs,
"cable cookers" and other assorted BS to answer for,
Atkinson.


How do you distinguish these from the Tice clock?



a) The Tice Clock is such a transparent hoax that even the sponge-brain
writers at the Pile could see through it.

b) Atkinson needed a sacrifical lamb to establish some credibility and
the Tice Clock was an easy target.

c) Tice didn't buy enough ad space

d) All of the above

OR?????


I like "d". ;-)



So you have all the logic skills of a garden variety creationist. You
know even a job at McDonalds will help you generate *some* income. And
it won't ask you to think too much.



Scott Wheeler

wrote:
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote:

John Atkinson wrote:

Schizoid Man wrote:

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost
churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock
was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they
canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that
doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

It makes the story more interesting, or at least more
confusing.


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

So, I'm told. But then RAO has the Middius clique, doesn't
it?

In your case, you drew the line at giving a positive
review to a blatantly
fraudulent "device" marketed by cold-blooded cynics.

That strikes me as a pretty good description of the Tice
Clock.

Congratulations.

We thus might have some measure of the depths that SP won't
go down to.

There are still positive reviews of Shakti Stones, Mpingo
Discs,
"cable cookers" and other assorted BS to answer for,
Atkinson.


How do you distinguish these from the Tice clock?



a) The Tice Clock is such a transparent hoax that even the sponge-brain
writers at the Pile could see through it.

b) Atkinson needed a sacrifical lamb to establish some credibility and
the Tice Clock was an easy target.

c) Tice didn't buy enough ad space

d) All of the above

OR?????


I like "d". ;-)



So you have all the logic skills of a garden variety creationist. You
know even a job at McDonalds will help you generate *some* income. And
it won't ask you to think too much.



It's Scott Wheeler:

http://tinyurl.com/bg5k4

Are those new glasses, Scooter? ;-)

wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote:

John Atkinson wrote:

Schizoid Man wrote:

Stereophile has also done no favors to the audio
enthusiast/audiophile community by reviewing products
such as the Tice Clock.

Given the depth of your ire, it would seem almost
churlish
to point that Stereophile's coverage of the Tice Clock
was
thought so negative by the manufacturer that they
canceled
all their advertising in my magazine. But I guess that
doesn't
make such a good story, does it.

It makes the story more interesting, or at least more
confusing.


Even the most crack-crazed whore has things she won't do.

So, I'm told. But then RAO has the Middius clique, doesn't
it?

In your case, you drew the line at giving a positive
review to a blatantly
fraudulent "device" marketed by cold-blooded cynics.

That strikes me as a pretty good description of the Tice
Clock.

Congratulations.

We thus might have some measure of the depths that SP won't
go down to.

There are still positive reviews of Shakti Stones, Mpingo
Discs,
"cable cookers" and other assorted BS to answer for,
Atkinson.


How do you distinguish these from the Tice clock?



a) The Tice Clock is such a transparent hoax that even the sponge-brain
writers at the Pile could see through it.

b) Atkinson needed a sacrifical lamb to establish some credibility and
the Tice Clock was an easy target.

c) Tice didn't buy enough ad space

d) All of the above

OR?????


I like "d". ;-)



So you have all the logic skills of a garden variety creationist. You
know even a job at McDonalds will help you generate *some* income. And
it won't ask you to think too much.



It's Scott Wheeler:

http://tinyurl.com/bg5k4

Are those new glasses, Scooter? ;-)



I doubt your mom would appreciate you showing clips of her giving birth
to you. If she kicks you out of the house what will you do?




Scott Wheeler

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

Surely there must be some application of this modality to audio.
Is it not possible to exclude extremes of all sorts, and thus live in
Happy
Harmony?

Actually, sometimes the middle of the road is the worst place to be.

"Margaret von B." wrote in message
...

Bwian McCarty wrote
rdnews.com...

FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED


Hello Bwian,

Does it really take ALL of that to make *you* feel superior?

Margaret

I'm afraid so. And what is paradoxical is that he actually gives himself
license to scam himself, with
http://www.worldjazz.com and http://www.coralseastudios.com .
What kind of psychological compensation mechanism makes him indict innocent
people for what he himself does?
I'd love to pick his brain.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

I am of the school of thought that if a cable requires a break-in period,
then it is a defective cable.

Maybe you feel the same way about internal combustion engines? It occurs to
me that someone who will only accept DBTs as a valid testing method must be
very insecure in your ability to hear.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...
Internet service providers escape responsibility for posted content via
the
Internet Decency Act of 1996, which absolved them from legal liability,
provided that they have no mechanism or policy to moderate content.
Conversely, if they do have a policy, they are fully responsible for
posted
content. The analogous question would be, "Is Stereophile an open,
unmoderated forum, or is there a central authority that is clearly
responsible for its content?" I believe it is clear that the second case
applies.

Maybe it should be censored by the government.

jeffc said:

I am of the school of thought that if a cable requires a break-in period,
then it is a defective cable.

Maybe you feel the same way about internal combustion engines? It occurs to
me that someone who will only accept DBTs as a valid testing method must be
very insecure in your ability to hear.


That surmise is very close to the mark. Schizo is at a point in his young
and foolish life where he's just getting tired of his old dogmas and is now
ripe for imprinting with new ones. Furthermore, he has a strong need to
validate his extensive education (three degrees and counting), so the more
scientific-sounding a dogma patch looks to him, the more attractive it is.
The foundation of the dogma he seeks has to be compatible with his core
belief that you can't be overeducated. Hence the robotic obeisance toward
anything smacking of scientism: The less subjective an experience is, the
closer it seems to lie to the pseudo-objective state he imagines himself to
inhabit.

jeffc said:

Internet service providers escape responsibility for posted content via
the Internet Decency Act of 1996, which absolved them from legal liability,
provided that they have no mechanism or policy to moderate content.
Conversely, if they do have a policy, they are fully responsible for
posted content. The analogous question would be, "Is Stereophile an open,
unmoderated forum, or is there a central authority that is clearly
responsible for its content?" I believe it is clear that the second case
applies.

Maybe it should be censored by the government.

You rightly mock Bobo's attempt to paint a privately owned entertainment
venue with a public convenience. Certainly the same rules don't apply to a
public park as to an art gallery.

"jeffc" said:


I am of the school of thought that if a cable requires a break-in period,
then it is a defective cable.

Maybe you feel the same way about internal combustion engines? It occurs to
me that someone who will only accept DBTs as a valid testing method must be
very insecure in your ability to hear.


To be honest, an internal combustion engine is an entire different
mechanism.

My take on this is that cable break in is a psychological phenomenon
(not to be ignored, BTW!).

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

jeffc wrote:
"Robert Morein" wrote in
message ...
Internet service providers escape responsibility for posted
content via the Internet Decency Act of 1996, which absolved
them from legal liability, provided that they have no mechanism
or policy to moderate content. Conversely, if they do have a
policy, they are fully responsible for posted content. The
analogous question would be, "Is Stereophile an open,
unmoderated forum, or is there a central authority that is
clearly responsible for its content?" I believe it is clear that
the second case applies.

Maybe it should be censored by the government.

Something that has been repeatedly suggested by Howard Ferstler
on this forum. Curiously, however, he exempted his own writing and
the publications in which it appears from this demand :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


jeffc said:

I am of the school of thought that if a cable requires a break-in
period,
then it is a defective cable.

Maybe you feel the same way about internal combustion engines? It occurs
to
me that someone who will only accept DBTs as a valid testing method must
be
very insecure in your ability to hear.


That surmise is very close to the mark. Schizo is at a point in his young
and foolish life where he's just getting tired of his old dogmas and is
now
ripe for imprinting with new ones. Furthermore, he has a strong need to
validate his extensive education (three degrees and counting), so the more
scientific-sounding a dogma patch looks to him, the more attractive it is.
The foundation of the dogma he seeks has to be compatible with his core
belief that you can't be overeducated. Hence the robotic obeisance toward
anything smacking of scientism: The less subjective an experience is, the
closer it seems to lie to the pseudo-objective state he imagines himself
to
inhabit.


FYI, he's been spotted wearing Marigo dots after hours but stubbornly
refuses to discuss it... :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

Margaret von B. said:

The less subjective an experience is, the
closer it seems to lie to the pseudo-objective state he imagines himself
to inhabit.

FYI, he's been spotted wearing Marigo dots after hours but stubbornly
refuses to discuss it... :-)

A closet subjectivist, indeed. :-(

George M. Middius wrote:

That surmise is very close to the mark. Schizo is at a point in his young
and foolish life where he's just getting tired of his old dogmas and is now
ripe for imprinting with new ones. Furthermore, he has a strong need to
validate his extensive education (three degrees and counting), so the more
scientific-sounding a dogma patch looks to him, the more attractive it is.
The foundation of the dogma he seeks has to be compatible with his core
belief that you can't be overeducated. Hence the robotic obeisance toward
anything smacking of scientism: The less subjective an experience is, the
closer it seems to lie to the pseudo-objective state he imagines himself to
inhabit.

I have said it once and I'll say it again - you need reading
comprehension lessons.

I despise dogma and always have. Perhaps you should consult the Google
archive. Don't worry, it won't lie to you!

As far as my 'extensive education' is concerned, I think it may be
indeed be over as I've managed to find myself an interesting job.

My core belief that you cannot be overeducated certainly does apply to
you, Middius. You have shown the paucity of your own education more than
once on this forum.

Has the Stereophile staff not been feeding you, or is it natural for you
to constantly whine?

George M. Middius wrote:

Margaret von B. said:


The less subjective an experience is, the
closer it seems to lie to the pseudo-objective state he imagines himself
to inhabit.



FYI, he's been spotted wearing Marigo dots after hours but stubbornly
refuses to discuss it... :-)


A closet subjectivist, indeed. :-(

And you are a closet homosexual (according to what I've read here).

What do they say about birds of a feather? ;-)