Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

"Dave de Villiers" wrote in message
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Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

A chap called Davis Folger (aka Dava Foulger) did his PhD thesis on computer
conferencing; and he dubbed certain kinds of forum as "lightning rods",
which perform the function of protecting the other forums from noise.

This discussion group seems to be a lightning rod.

Tim

"Tim Martin" wrote in message
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"Dave de Villiers" wrote in message
...
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

A chap called Davis Folger (aka Dava Foulger) did his PhD thesis on
computer
conferencing; and he dubbed certain kinds of forum as "lightning rods",
which perform the function of protecting the other forums from noise.

This discussion group seems to be a lightning rod.

Tim

That makes sense.
I wonder if he discovered the evident corollary, "Every village has an
idiot."
To me, this means that there will tend to be one individual in a lightning
rod who is the focus of disharmony. In this case, it would be Arny Krueger.
Arny is no idiot, but he polarizes this group with his dogmatism.

Dave de Villiers wrote:
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

I predict it will remain that way, as long as Middius and
his clique try to dominate here.

"Tim Martin" wrote in message
...

"Dave de Villiers" wrote in message
...
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

A chap called Davis Folger (aka Dava Foulger) did his PhD thesis on
computer
conferencing; and he dubbed certain kinds of forum as "lightning rods",
which perform the function of protecting the other forums from noise.

This discussion group seems to be a lightning rod.

Tim

"Lightning Rod?" Good analogy - describes the symptoms, if not the cause.

One aspect of computer conferencing, forums, chat groups, etc. is that the
"post-er" does not have to be face-to-face with anyone.

This "distance" combined with "anonymity" is, I believe, one of the major
causes of this "flaming" behaviour - there is little or no risk of
injury/retribution for one's actions or "utterances".

This lo/no-risk situation tends to encourage those who would never consider
the same "behaviour" in a physical face-to-face dialogue, to indulge
themselves by venting their spleens at others.

One could be uncharitable and describe such behaviour as "cowardly" or
"spineless", but it is, unfortunately, fundamental in human nature - its
called "The Go-For-The-Gap Syndrome"... :-)

In some groups this behaviour manifests itself beyond the individual level
and takes on aspects of group behaviour - one individual may trigger the
process, but, once triggered, more individuals jump on board. The next
thing you know, you have some luckless person becoming the target for a
Mongolian horde of vituperative "flamers".

I remember many instances of this "ganging-up" 8 years back when Steve
Zipser (among others) became the favorite target.

At the moment it would appear that Arny has inherited that mantle - but then
Arny is quite capable of handling it and gives as good as he gets. Its
always great to see that there some immutables on this planet of ours.

While being a spectator to a flame-war can be mildly amusing for a short
while, it does become a bit wearing after a time. Wouldn't it be nice
(catchy phrase that - would make a great song title... actually, it did -
Beach Boys, if my memory serves) if we could stow the flamethrowers and
indulge in some non-acrimonious exchanges of opinions (to which, I am told,
we are all entitled).

"Dave de Villiers" wrote in message
...
"Tim Martin" wrote in message
...

"Dave de Villiers" wrote in message
...
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

A chap called Davis Folger (aka Dava Foulger) did his PhD thesis on
computer
conferencing; and he dubbed certain kinds of forum as "lightning rods",
which perform the function of protecting the other forums from noise.

This discussion group seems to be a lightning rod.

Tim

"Lightning Rod?" Good analogy - describes the symptoms, if not the cause.

One aspect of computer conferencing, forums, chat groups, etc. is that the
"post-er" does not have to be face-to-face with anyone.

This "distance" combined with "anonymity" is, I believe, one of the major
causes of this "flaming" behaviour - there is little or no risk of
injury/retribution for one's actions or "utterances".

This lo/no-risk situation tends to encourage those who would never
consider
the same "behaviour" in a physical face-to-face dialogue, to indulge
themselves by venting their spleens at others.

One could be uncharitable and describe such behaviour as "cowardly" or
"spineless", but it is, unfortunately, fundamental in human nature - its
called "The Go-For-The-Gap Syndrome"... :-)

In some groups this behaviour manifests itself beyond the individual level
and takes on aspects of group behaviour - one individual may trigger the
process, but, once triggered, more individuals jump on board. The next
thing you know, you have some luckless person becoming the target for a
Mongolian horde of vituperative "flamers".

I remember many instances of this "ganging-up" 8 years back when Steve
Zipser (among others) became the favorite target.

At the moment it would appear that Arny has inherited that mantle - but
then
Arny is quite capable of handling it and gives as good as he gets. Its
always great to see that there some immutables on this planet of ours.

While being a spectator to a flame-war can be mildly amusing for a short
while, it does become a bit wearing after a time. Wouldn't it be nice
(catchy phrase that - would make a great song title... actually, it did -
Beach Boys, if my memory serves) if we could stow the flamethrowers and
indulge in some non-acrimonious exchanges of opinions (to which, I am
told,
we are all entitled).

But I think Arny is the cause. He seeks to invalidate the opinions of
others, constantly raising the spectre of ABX.
It's not good enough for Arny if someone "likes" ABX. It must be used for
every comparison, or he attacks.
Arny has a whole list of people he thinks want to "destroy" him. In no
fewer than FIVE posts, he says this:

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2005&safe=off


This is tragic; a man following the path of pseudo-science arrives at the
door of mental illness.

Arny, I respect your right to exist, and I'd probably send you one of those
little CARE packages.
And you are a terrific examplar of all that is wrong with pseudo science. I
would greatly miss your absence from this group.

Robert Morein said to The Big ****:

Arny, I respect your right to exist, and I'd probably send you one of those
little CARE packages.

You mean the packages that make music or the ones that go BOOM!?

And you are a terrific examplar of all that is wrong with pseudo science. I
would greatly miss your absence from this group.

Are you seeing the future? I just wiped my shoes -- is that the same thing as a
Krooger-free world?

Robert Morein wrote:

But I think Arny is the cause. He seeks to invalidate the
opinions of
others, constantly raising the spectre of ABX.

It takes a real stupe to accuse someone of invalidating the
opinions of others because everubody with a brain knkows
that opinions are neither valid nor invalid. Opinons are
like buttholes - everybody has at least one.

It's not good enough for Arny if someone "likes" ABX. It
must be used
for every comparison, or he attacks.

Given that I've consistently written that ABX is not
required for evaluations of items like microphones and
speakers, for which there is no question that they generally
sound different from each other, this would be yet another
one of Morein the moron's stupid claims.

Arny has a whole list of people he thinks want to
"destroy" him. In
no fewer than FIVE posts, he says this:

The quote is gratuitous and yet another stupid thing that
you've done Morein, because this very post of yours supports
my claim.

This is tragic; a man following the path of pseudo-science
arrives at
the door of mental illness.

LOL! This just goes to show what even the Supreme Court of
the US seems to know, and that is that it is very safe to
ignore the claims and concerns of one Robert Morein.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:

But I think Arny is the cause. He seeks to invalidate the
opinions of
others, constantly raising the spectre of ABX.

It takes a real stupe

At least, Arny, I take a clinical approach. I see you as mentally disturbed.
I don't require perjorative language to characterize you.

to accuse someone of invalidating the
opinions of others because everubody with a brain knkows
that opinions are neither valid nor invalid. Opinons are
like buttholes - everybody has at least one.

It's not good enough for Arny if someone "likes" ABX. It
must be used
for every comparison, or he attacks.

Given that I've consistently written that ABX is not
required for evaluations of items like microphones and
speakers, for which there is no question that they generally
sound different from each other,

It is not for you to decree what's required and what's not. This is the
"Madness of King George" aspect of your existence.

this would be yet another
one of Morein the moron's stupid claims.

Now, now Arny. Let it be recorded that your language has descended to the
gutter. Unfortunately, you cannot justify a position by using perjorative
language. As a technique of argumentation, it reflects badly on you.

Arny has a whole list of people he thinks want to
"destroy" him. In
no fewer than FIVE posts, he says this:

The quote is gratuitous and yet another stupid thing that
you've done Morein, because this very post of yours supports
my claim.

By simple arithmetic, this increases to six the number of posts in which you
accuse people of wanting to "destroy" you.


This is tragic; a man following the path of pseudo-science
arrives at
the door of mental illness.

LOL!
This actually means gnash teeth and foam at mouth.

"George Middius" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein said to The Big ****:

Arny, I respect your right to exist, and I'd probably send you one of
those
little CARE packages.

You mean the packages that make music or the ones that go BOOM!?

And you are a terrific examplar of all that is wrong with pseudo science.
I
would greatly miss your absence from this group.

Are you seeing the future? I just wiped my shoes -- is that the same thing
as a
Krooger-free world?

I see rec.audio.opinion as cohesive precisely because of Arny's doctrinal
madness. This is akin to the Cold War, when we were united against
communism, with the exception of a few miserable traitors, whose names you
know as well as I.

If Arny were to disappear, he would be replaced, perhaps by someone not as
entertainingly cartoonish.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Dave de Villiers wrote:
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

I predict it will remain that way, as long as Middius and
his clique try to dominate here.

All you would need to do is give people a little room to breathe. Let them
express themselves without dunning them with notices of ABX invalidation.
Give them some social space. Let them feel their views have the right to
exist without preemptory challenge by you.

If you did that, you might discover, very slowly, that ABX acquired a larger
following. Personally, I'm not hostile to the idea. I am hostile to the idea
that certain kinds of comparisons, as dictated by you, must be made using
this methodology.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Dave de Villiers wrote:
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

I predict it will remain that way, as long as Middius and
his clique try to dominate here.

All you would need to do is give people a little room to
breathe.

I can see from all of your "Arny Bad Scientist" posts what
you consider breathing space, Robert.

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

Live with it!

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Dave de Villiers wrote:
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

I predict it will remain that way, as long as Middius and
his clique try to dominate here.

All you would need to do is give people a little room to
breathe.

I can see from all of your "Arny Bad Scientist" posts what
you consider breathing space, Robert.

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

Live with it!

With a long running dispute, it sometimes is unclear, or irrelevant, what or
who the incitement is.
But I'm not the guy with the problem. I don't believe that anybody is trying
to "destroy"me.
By your statements,
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2005&safe=off
you apparently do.
There's a saying that if you want to give it, you have to learn to take it.
This means that animosity will frequently be returned in kind, or worse. If
you give these people insult, they will reply with means that make you think
they want to "destroy" you.
If you want to be treated in a manner that does not imply your fear that
people are trying to "destroy" you, then someone has to turn down the
volume. Don't assume the other guy is going to do that first. One of the
great messages of your Christian church is exactly that; by "turning the
other cheek", it practically means that the other person will perceive less
external motivation to continue the attack. Like most Christians, you chose
to pervert or ignore Christ's message.

As a nonbeliever, I am not obligated to follow Christ's dictums. But I can
tell you, as a practical matter, that I bait you only because I believe you
deserve it. You are the most intellectually dishonest person I have ever
met, and you expect people to kiss your ass for it. No way, Jose. And my aim
is not to destroy you, but only in the hope that you'll tone down a bit, and
respect the value of pluralism.

I understand you acquitted yourself quite well in the Debate. Apparently,
you manifested a cordiality that is not seen here. Google does not lie, and
this:
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2005&safe=off
is proof that you have a paranoid personality disorder.

The "ABX" scheme has intrinsic value, but why you have polluted it with your
personal need to dominate by dictating the "truth according to Arny" is
beyond me.

I dare you to follow, for a mere three weeks, Christ's dictum of "turn the
other cheek." I dare you, and I hope you prove me wrong.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where your B.S. was demoted
to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's promoted to a PhD, very, very
amusing.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where your B.S. was
demoted
to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's promoted to a PhD, very, very
amusing.

It was my understanding that Arny received his electronics training as a
technician in the Air Force. If that is in fact not so, I stand corrected.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two fields: statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with a specialization in
stochastic systems and statistical data analysis. I have also done work in
artificial intelligence under Air Force contract. Arny has quoted my
educational level as being less than undergraduate, apparently quoting
McCarty's version of the "truth".

Robert Morein said:

Are you seeing the future? I just wiped my shoes -- is that the same thing as a
Krooger-free world?

I see rec.audio.opinion as cohesive precisely because of Arny's doctrinal
madness. This is akin to the Cold War, when we were united against
communism, with the exception of a few miserable traitors, whose names you
know as well as I.

On RAO, the defections have all been away from the darkness.

If Arny were to disappear, he would be replaced, perhaps by someone not as
entertainingly cartoonish.

Paging Nousiane!

Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Dave de Villiers wrote:
Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

I predict it will remain that way, as long as Middius
and
his clique try to dominate here.

All you would need to do is give people a little room to
breathe.

I can see from all of your "Arny Bad Scientist" posts
what
you consider breathing space, Robert.

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric,
with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

Live with it!

With a long running dispute, it sometimes is unclear, or
irrelevant,
what or who the incitement is.

Morien, weren't you hanging around RAO when I first started
posting here?

Google shows posts from you then.

But I'm not the guy with the problem.

Robert, tust because you don't have a problem with Middius
and his clique like I do, doesn't mean that you don't have
other problkems that are far worse, such as your inability
to think and your apparent complete lack of detailed
knowlege about electronics and audio.

I don't believe that anybody is trying to "destroy"me.

How is that any sort of a serious problem?


By your statements,

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2005&safe=off
you apparently do.

So what?

There's a saying that if you want to give it, you have to
learn to
take it.

Tell that to Middius, tell that to yourself.

This means that animosity will frequently be returned in
kind, or worse.

A fact that seems to be completely lost on you, Robert.

If you give these people insult, they will reply with
means that make you think they want to "destroy" you.

Profound lack of self-knowlege is indicated by the fact that
you can't bring yourself to admit that you are part of my
sp-called problem, Robert. Sad.


If you want to be treated in a manner that does not imply
your fear
that people are trying to "destroy" you, then someone has
to turn
down the volume.

Wrong Robert - I don't fear that these people want to
destroy me. After all, look at all that they have done, and
what great success they have achieved. NOT!

Don't assume the other guy is going to do that first.

You don't read what you write, eh Robert?

One of the great messages of your Christian church is
exactly
that; by "turning the other cheek",

Been there, done that. How many of your "Arny - Bad
Scientist" posts of yours have I turned the other cheek to,
Robert? Look how it changed your behavior. NOT!

it practically means that the
other person will perceive less external motivation to
continue the
attack.

Doooh! Except it doesn't work very well with pathological
personalities such as you or Middius, Robert.


Like most Christians, you chose to pervert or ignore
Christ's message.

As if your present abuse of it isn't a perversion, Robert.

As a nonbeliever, I am not obligated to follow Christ's
dictums.

Thus you feel fully justified as you ignore them, Robert.

But
I can tell you, as a practical matter, that I bait you
only because I
believe you deserve it.

Yup, your beliefs and feelings fully justify your bad
behavior, Robert.

You are the most intellectually dishonest
person I have ever met, and you expect people to kiss your
ass for
it.

Keep those love letters coming, Robert!

No way, Jose. And my aim is not to destroy you, but only
in the
hope that you'll tone down a bit, and respect the value of
pluralism.

Your abusive behavior shows no respect for pluralsim,
Robert.

I understand you acquitted yourself quite well in the
Debate.

That's what they say.

Apparently, you manifested a cordiality that is not seen
here. Google
does not lie, and this:

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2005&safe=off
is proof that you have a paranoid personality disorder.

It's no such thing. But a self-deluded fool like you Robert
would never know...

The "ABX" scheme has intrinsic value, but why you have
polluted it
with your personal need to dominate by dictating the
"truth according
to Arny" is beyond me.

This is the other cheek turning, Robert.

I dare you to follow, for a mere three weeks, Christ's
dictum of
"turn the other cheek." I dare you, and I hope you prove
me wrong.

See the above Robert.

Schizoid Man wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric,
with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where
your B.S. was
demoted to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's promoted
to a PhD,
very, very amusing.

Speaks to Robert's inability to correctly perceive elements
of reality that don't agree with his false beliefs.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two fields: statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with a specialization
in
stochastic systems and statistical data analysis.

That makes two of us. I got an undergraduate degree in Mechanical
Engineering, a masters degree in Operations Research and I am getting my PhD
in Operations Research, Computational and Applied Mathematics.

My masters thesis was on the application of group theoretic metaheuristics
for an efficient solution to an asymmetric traveling salesman problem.

My current PhD research interest is in determining stochastic times
intervals for intra-day stock prices to have a lognormal distribution.

Needless to say, I have an extensive background in mathematical programming
(deterministic, stochastic, linear, integer and non-linear), probability and
statistics.

In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

An apt and accurate description of my son Bob's "world view", Mr. Krueger.

Unfortunately, Bob can NEVER admit he's been beaten, or he's wrong. He
spent 12 years in college trying to write a thesis that was totally without
any scientific merit. When Drexel got tired of his bleating about not
giving him a degree, he sued them. And even after he was proven IN COURT to
have been wrong, he insisted on appealing to the Supreme Court in
Washington. And then he criticized THE SUPREME COURT and HIS OWN LAWYER for
"erroneous legal reasoning"!

He then wanted ME to fund a lawsuit against his LAWYER!

So you're not going to change him, god knows his mother tried and it killed
her.



Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS

PROVEN PUBLISHED FACTS about my Son, Robert Morein
--

Bob Morein History
--
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...ws/4853918.htm

Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
By L. STUART DITZEN
Philadelphia Inquirer

PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.

They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
to challenge his dismissal.

The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.

"It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
do come to a larger issue here."

An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.

A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
by the media and the public.

Because no one gives a **** about a 50 year old loser.

But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.

Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
computer engineering.

Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
patented.

A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.


In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.

An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.


Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.

Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.

That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.

Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
state Superior Court.

The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
affairs was reasserted.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
litigation, that would have been the end of it.

But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.

Daddy throws more money down the crapper.

His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
compensation.

"Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
happened to him is pretty common."

It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.


Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."

"I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
"We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
pursuing self-destructive litigation."

No **** sherlock.

The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.

His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
and electronic systems.

The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
nuclear plant or a computer.

My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.


Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
through a university lawyer, declined to comment.

At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
related to estimation theory.

Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
industrial processes.

Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
problem Kalata had presented.

Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.

K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.

Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
became alienated from Kalata.

As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.

Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.

In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
asked for a new faculty adviser.

The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.

He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.

Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
complete his thesis.

So Morein ****s up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then ****s up again! Brilliant!


Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.

Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.


Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."

So much for political machine judges.

The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
about 100 of them.

Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
Pennsylvania courts.

Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.

Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.


"I had to seek closure," he said.

Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.

Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
bulletlike stream of water.


FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED

But none of it is what he had imagined for himself.

"I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very
gnawing thing."

Robert Morein wrote:
"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric,
with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where
your B.S. was
demoted to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's promoted
to a PhD,
very, very amusing.

It was my understanding that Arny received his electronics
training
as a technician in the Air Force. If that is in fact not
so, I stand
corrected.

I was never in the Air Force. I did serve at Homestead Air
Force base, but as a member of the U.S. Army.

I've corrected this error at least once in the recent past.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two fields:
statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with a
specialization in stochastic systems and statistical data
analysis. I
have also done work in artificial intelligence under Air
Force
contract. Arny has quoted my educational level as being
less than
undergraduate, apparently quoting McCarty's version of the
"truth".

Prove that I misstated your educational credentials. Robert.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:
"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric,
with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where
your B.S. was
demoted to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's promoted
to a PhD,
very, very amusing.

It was my understanding that Arny received his electronics
training
as a technician in the Air Force. If that is in fact not
so, I stand
corrected.

I was never in the Air Force. I did serve at Homestead Air
Force base, but as a member of the U.S. Army.

I've corrected this error at least once in the recent past.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two fields:
statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with a
specialization in stochastic systems and statistical data
analysis. I
have also done work in artificial intelligence under Air
Force
contract. Arny has quoted my educational level as being
less than
undergraduate, apparently quoting McCarty's version of the
"truth".

Prove that I misstated your educational credentials. Robert.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...89fa2260?hl=en
I completed college in four years, Arny.
You confuse college with university graduate level, typical of your trade in
the half-truths of intellectual dishonesty.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly asymmetric, with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two fields: statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with a
specialization
in
stochastic systems and statistical data analysis.

That makes two of us. I got an undergraduate degree in Mechanical
Engineering, a masters degree in Operations Research and I am getting my
PhD
in Operations Research, Computational and Applied Mathematics.

My masters thesis was on the application of group theoretic metaheuristics
for an efficient solution to an asymmetric traveling salesman problem.

My current PhD research interest is in determining stochastic times
intervals for intra-day stock prices to have a lognormal distribution.

Needless to say, I have an extensive background in mathematical
programming
(deterministic, stochastic, linear, integer and non-linear), probability
and
statistics.

Sounds very interesting. Where are you doing it?
What do you think of Arny's rigor?

George M. Middius wrote:
Robert Morein said:

Are you seeing the future? I just wiped my shoes -- is
that the
same thing as a Krooger-free world?

I see rec.audio.opinion as cohesive precisely because of
Arny's
doctrinal madness. This is akin to the Cold War, when we
were united
against communism, with the exception of a few miserable
traitors,
whose names you know as well as I.

On RAO, the defections have all been away from the
darkness.

IOW, in my direction.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:
"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly
asymmetric,
with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where
your B.S. was
demoted to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's
promoted
to a PhD,
very, very amusing.

It was my understanding that Arny received his
electronics
training
as a technician in the Air Force. If that is in fact not
so, I stand
corrected.

I was never in the Air Force. I did serve at Homestead
Air
Force base, but as a member of the U.S. Army.

I've corrected this error at least once in the recent
past.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two
fields:
statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with
a
specialization in stochastic systems and statistical
data
analysis. I
have also done work in artificial intelligence under Air
Force
contract. Arny has quoted my educational level as being
less than
undergraduate, apparently quoting McCarty's version of
the
"truth".

Prove that I misstated your educational credentials.
Robert.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...89fa2260?hl=en
I completed college in four years, Arny.

I never said otherwise, unless you want to split hairs and
add unintended meaning to a common figure of speech.

You confuse college with university graduate level,
typical of your
trade in the half-truths of intellectual dishonesty.

You're splitting hairs again, Morein. "Profesional college
student" is a figure of speech, which grants some latitude
to its use.

Now Robert, lets get back to the fact that you took so much
pride in eliminating my college degree, and put me in the
wrong branch of the armed forces. No doubt its that kind of
attention to detail that got you your PhD degree. ;-)

Signal said:

Keep those love letters coming, Robert!

Paranoid doesn't begin to cover it.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:
"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Robert, your world view is obviously highly
asymmetric,
with
you as king and me as your servant.

Tain't so.

I don't know about that, but I did find the post where
your B.S. was
demoted to 'vocational training' and Atkinson's
promoted
to a PhD,
very, very amusing.

It was my understanding that Arny received his
electronics
training
as a technician in the Air Force. If that is in fact not
so, I stand
corrected.

I was never in the Air Force. I did serve at Homestead
Air
Force base, but as a member of the U.S. Army.

I've corrected this error at least once in the recent
past.

As for myself, I have been a Ph.D candidate in two
fields:
statistical
hydrodynamics (physics) and electrical engineering, with
a
specialization in stochastic systems and statistical
data
analysis. I
have also done work in artificial intelligence under Air
Force
contract. Arny has quoted my educational level as being
less than
undergraduate, apparently quoting McCarty's version of
the
"truth".

Prove that I misstated your educational credentials.
Robert.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...89fa2260?hl=en
I completed college in four years, Arny.

I never said otherwise, unless you want to split hairs and
add unintended meaning to a common figure of speech.

You confuse college with university graduate level,
typical of your
trade in the half-truths of intellectual dishonesty.

You're splitting hairs again, Morein. "Profesional college
student" is a figure of speech, which grants some latitude
to its use.

No, it doesn't. On the other hand, I suppose it is a legitimate smear tactic

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

Sounds very interesting. Where are you doing it?

The University of Texas at Austin, hence the organization and my IP trail...

What do you think of Arny's rigor?

I haven't really had a very close look. I would imagine it to be a
combination of hypothesis testing (for which I am qualified) and electrical
engineering (for which, I admit, I am not qualified).

I think, more importantly, I consider myself an audio enthusiast, not
necessarily an audiophile. If it sounds good, that's all that matters. I
don't need a multimeter to tell whether it is good.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

Sounds very interesting. Where are you doing it?

The University of Texas at Austin, hence the organization and my IP
trail...

What do you think of Arny's rigor?

I haven't really had a very close look. I would imagine it to be a
combination of hypothesis testing (for which I am qualified) and
electrical
engineering (for which, I admit, I am not qualified).

I think, more importantly, I consider myself an audio enthusiast, not
necessarily an audiophile. If it sounds good, that's all that matters. I
don't need a multimeter to tell whether it is good.

Exactly the way I feel.

Robert Morein still doesn't get it:

"I wonder if he discovered the evident corollary, "Every village has an

idiot."
To me, this means that there will tend to be one individual in a
lightning
rod who is the focus of disharmony. In this case, it would be Arny
Krueger.
Arny is no idiot, but he polarizes this group with his dogmatism."

Sir, what is evident is that this village has many idiots, but they
being crazy think they are Normals.

The dogmatism comes from the same group, in their refusal to accept
responsibilty for the mess they've made and for their rejection of
proven scientific principles regarding audio.

"Dave de Villiers" wrote

This "distance" combined with "anonymity" is, I believe, one of the major
causes of this "flaming" behaviour - there is little or no risk of
injury/retribution for one's actions or "utterances".

This lo/no-risk situation tends to encourage those who would never
consider the same "behaviour" in a physical face-to-face dialogue, to
indulge themselves by venting their spleens at others.


sums up torrie****s in a nutshell!

and the distance aspect sums up Arny's behavior.
when the distance vanished, so did his RAO behavior.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message

Sounds very interesting. Where are you doing it?

The University of Texas at Austin, hence the organization and my IP
trail...

What do you think of Arny's rigor?

I haven't really had a very close look. I would imagine it to be a
combination of hypothesis testing (for which I am qualified) and
electrical
engineering (for which, I admit, I am not qualified).

I think, more importantly, I consider myself an audio enthusiast, not
necessarily an audiophile. If it sounds good, that's all that matters. I
don't need a multimeter to tell whether it is good.

You don't need a multimeter to tell if you like the sound. You do need a
multimeter, as in for level matching, to tell if it really sounds different
and therefore worth a change for just sonic reasons. Or just to satisfy
curiosity. Even if it sounds the same level matched, there are still plenty
of reasons to buy something, including just thinking it sounds better even
if you can't prove it. And often, if you can demonstrate to yourself that
there is little to no difference in sound, you find yourself going with
things that offer more convenient, say a tuner/preamp with remote control,
vs. a dedicated, ultra-high end unit that you have to get up and walk over
to everytime you want to change the volume.

"severian" wrote in message
link.net...
[snip]
things that offer more convenient, say a tuner/preamp with remote control,
vs. a dedicated, ultra-high end unit that you have to get up and walk over
to everytime you want to change the volume.

Then you haven't heard the difference between a Sony ST-550ES tuner, a
nice-looking piece, and the ST-730ES. One has yucky sound; the other has
great sound.
I have owned a bunch of tuners, and I herewith rank them for you in terms of
sound quality. I don't need any instruments:

ST-730ES (the best!)
ST-222ES (ditto)
Yamaha TX-930, TX-950
Onkyo T9090MkII (the best puller, world-class, somewhat reduced fidelity)
Hafler DH-330 (poor separation, frequency response)
ST-555ES (nasty)

Each tuner is distinctive. Each tuner is different. Don't tell me what I can
hear. Tell us what YOU can hear.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Robert Morein still doesn't get it:

"I wonder if he discovered the evident corollary, "Every village has an

idiot."
To me, this means that there will tend to be one individual in a
lightning
rod who is the focus of disharmony. In this case, it would be Arny
Krueger.
Arny is no idiot, but he polarizes this group with his dogmatism."

Sir, what is evident is that this village has many idiots, but they
being crazy think they are Normals.

The dogmatism comes from the same group, in their refusal to accept
responsibilty for the mess they've made and for their rejection of
proven scientific principles regarding audio.

Thank you for your comment. It is natural for the various denizens of r.a.o.
to characterize them as the "true humans". Tribes have been doing this for
thousands of years. "Us" vs. "them."
Those who claim to be objectivists put forth facts, and they frequently have
their pants pulled down.
Those who claim to be subjectivists put forth "facts", but there is a
difference. The subjectivists don't claim that their observations or
feelings are universally applicable. It is the nature of the subjectivist
to make the comment relevant to himself. If not expressed, this is implied.
This is why, though I personally believe there are some objective truths to
be found in audio, I do not believe the self proclaimed "objectivists" are
the best custodians of objective truth. For to claim to be objective
requires a very high standard of scientific scrutiny, which can only be
accomplished by a dispassionate nature, not by someone who claims half a
dozen people are trying to "destroy" him.

I understand that you are outraged at what you consider flagrant disregard
by the subjectivists for "scientific truth". However, even in classical
physics, new surprises come to light. Here are two examples:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0524225845.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0403072949.htm

One need not take the position that all kinds of magical, unknown things
happen to audio signals. However, there is the well known occurence called
the "second order effect", which results when a practical engineering
approximation deletes a term later found to be important. No extreme
revolution in thinking is required to accomodate such occurences. All one
has to do is have an open mind.

I understand that to you, the subjectivists appear to distain the
"scientific tradition", which is perhaps something you think should be
revered. There really isn't anything the objectivist can, or should, do
about this. The important thing for objectivists is to keep their own house
in order, which means to behave like scientists. Listen, and be open-minded
for the unexpected.

All science begins with an observation, or anecdote. An anecdote is the
relating of an individual experience. Science could not exist without
anecdotes, because they are the points of contact between theory and reality
that contradicts existing theory. Pay attention to anecdotes, because, while
many of them are sterile seeds, some are acorns that yield the mighty oak. A
subjectivist might chortle at the constant revisions of neuroscience. For
example, until afew years ago, it was believed that the adult mammilian
brain experiences no neurogenesis. It is now accepted as commonplace. The
vomeronasal organ was considered for two hundred years to be a vestigal
structure, until Dr. David Berliner made an accidental discovery:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neur...Bernstein.html and
http://euclid.ucsd.edu/~weinrich/theScientist2.html

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George M. Middius wrote:


On RAO, the defections have all been away from the
darkness.

IOW, in my direction.


Arny, you are not qualified to talk about 'defections'.
However, 'defecations' are your field of expertise.



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Clyde Slick said:

On RAO, the defections have all been away from the
darkness.

IOW, in my direction.

Lack of supporting evidence for this Kroo-lie noted.

Arny, you are not qualified to talk about 'defections'.
However, 'defecations' are your field of expertise.

I hope you're not envious of Arnii's collection of vintage turds. That's
what makes his basement so .... special.

Robert Morein wrote:

Thank you for your comment. It is natural for the various
denizens of
r.a.o. to characterize them as the "true humans". Tribes
have been
doing this for thousands of years. "Us" vs. "them."

In reality, the Middius clique has a near-total monopoly on
characterising themselves as being the true humans, and
their opponents as either subhumans or alien superhumans. It
would take a compleat idiot to miss this fact. You know
Morien its ever so clear why you got blown off from two
different PhD programs - you lack even a vestigial ability
to think critically and accurately.

Those who claim to be objectivists put forth facts, and
they
frequently have their pants pulled down.

That would be yet another gross mistake on your part,
Morein. I've always characterized myself as being a
scientific subjectivist, an informed subjectivist or a
reliable subjectivist. I guess my opening comments on the
HE2005 debate recording passed completely over your head.

Those who claim to be subjectivists put forth "facts", but
there is a
difference.

You've just contradicted what you said yesterday about
subjectivists wanting to share opinions, Morein. I guess I
did too good of a job of deconstructing you yesterday, so
today you have changed your story around 180 degrees. So
much for any of your pretenses of intellectual honesty.

The subjectivists don't claim that their observations or
feelings are universally applicable.

That's why subjectivists like Morein never say things like
all QSC amplifiers suck. ;-)

It is the nature of the
subjectivist to make the comment relevant to himself.

If its only relevant to you, why bother sharing it with
anybody else? Why suggest that it might be the basis for a
buying recommendation for someone else?

If not expressed, this is implied.

Well in fact that's the nature of subjectivism at the
extreme - it relates to just one person.

This is why, though I personally believe
there are some objective truths to be found in audio, I do
not
believe the self proclaimed "objectivists" are the best
custodians of
objective truth.

This would be due to the fact that they tend to disagree
with you Morien. The disagreement has a lot to do with how
error-prone your claims are, such as your claim that all QSC
amps sound bad because they all have variable power
supplies. This is of course verifiable, and the facts say
otherwise. Nevertheless, you've never admitted that you made
this gross error, did you Morein?

For to claim to be objective requires a very high
standard of scientific scrutiny, which can only be
accomplished by a
dispassionate nature, not by someone who claims half a
dozen people
are trying to "destroy" him.

Again Morien you completely missed the point. My sales pitch
has always been listen for yourself and reach whatever
conclusion you wish to reach. Hence the existence of
www.pcabx.com which is completely based on people listening
for themselves. I guess that just like you missed that I
have a BSE and served in the Army, you also missed that my
www.pcabx.com web site is about people listening and
reaching their own conclusions based on just listening.

I understand that you are outraged at what you consider
flagrant
disregard by the subjectivists for "scientific truth".
However, even
in classical physics, new surprises come to light. Here
are two
examples:


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0524225845.htm

This is all fine and dandy, but what does it have to do with
the fact that Morien still holds fast to outdated sighted
evaluations like a security blanket?


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0403072949.htm

This is also all fine and dandy, but what does it have to do
with the fact that Morien still holds fast to outdated
sighted evaluations like a security blanket?

I see here yet another Harry Lavo-like confusion between
audio and rocket science. Does anybody think that we would
have successfully sent men to the moon if we held closely to
Stereophile/TAS/Monster Cable-type faith-based technology?

One need not take the position that all kinds of magical,
unknown
things happen to audio signals.

See Moren's more direct faith-based comments on the "Monster
Cable alternatives" thread.

However, there is the well known
occurence called the "second order effect", which results
when a
practical engineering approximation deletes a term later
found to be
important.

Problem is, we understand cables through the tertiary or
quaternary level of effects, or more.

No extreme revolution in thinking is required to
accomodate such occurences. All one has to do is have an
open mind.

Trouble is, Morein's idea of being open-minded corresponds
to a practical understanding of holes in the head.

I understand that to you, the subjectivists appear to
distain the
"scientific tradition", which is perhaps something you
think should be
revered.

It would neat to find a so-called subjectivist that
understands science well.

There really isn't anything the objectivist can, or should,
do about this. The important thing for objectivists is to
keep their
own house in order, which means to behave like scientists.
Listen,
and be open-minded for the unexpected.

This would contrast with the Morien of just yesterday who
wanted me to stop talking about reliable listening tests.

All science begins with an observation, or anecdote.

There are big differences between observations and
anecdotes, but why should I expect a self-admitted 2-time
academic failure like Morien to know a simple thing like
this?

snip remaining blather

Signal wrote:
"Arny Krueger" emitted :

Have been away from this NG for some years...
I see it has not changed that much...
Pity...

I predict it will remain that way, as long as Middius and
This clique try to dominate here.

So Dormer, does your quote without comment indicate
agreement?

Cat Food Man said:

What do you think of Arny's rigor?

I haven't really had a very close look.

You haven't? Then why have you crawled out on a limb to defend Mr. **** against
criticism that's fully justified?

I would imagine it to be a
combination of hypothesis testing

Hahahaha! Good one.

(for which I am qualified) and electrical
engineering (for which, I admit, I am not qualified).

Krooger's knowledge of engineering is spotty. That wouldn't matter except for
his posturing as an authority. He has been cornered and defeated on hundreds of
issues large and small on RAO and other newsgroups. He has no professional
experience in engineering, let alone any part of the consumer electronics
industry.

Krooger is a religious zealot. He believes in creationism and rejects evolution.
He uses his blind allegiance to "tests" as a club on Usenet. He attacks
subjective opinions because in his delusional paranoiac fervor, he sees them as
part of a conspiracy to "destroy" him.

In short, Arnii Krooger's relationship to genuine human science is comparable to
al Qaeda's relationship to Western civilization.

I think, more importantly, I consider myself an audio enthusiast, not
necessarily an audiophile. If it sounds good, that's all that matters. I
don't need a multimeter to tell whether it is good.

That's simply your viewpoint, or feelings, or opinion. Even though such
statements are the lifeblood of RAO, they are anathema to religious krusader
Krooger.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:
[snip]
This would be due to the fact that they tend to disagree
with you Morien. The disagreement has a lot to do with how
error-prone your claims are, such as your claim that all QSC
amps sound bad because they all have variable power
supplies. This is of course verifiable, and the facts say
otherwise. Nevertheless, you've never admitted that you made
this gross error, did you Morein?

Actually, I never said it was because they have variable power supplies.
Somebody else said it.
You are the most intellectually dishonest person I've ever met.