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Bryston 4B SST vs. Aragon 8008 MKII vs. Hafler 9505
Greetings,
Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! |
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wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. |
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I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. The Aragon will lift three veils, And you will hear the details.. Of music so clear, And lovely to hear And to please it never fails. Hammingaway |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. The Aragon Palladium monos are excellent if one can find a used pair (usually cheap) and they can drive and control just about any speaker. A friend of mine in Boston used them to drive his Scintillas if my memory serves me and they did not blow up in a decade of service. I recently bought a spare pair of Parasound Halo JC-1 monos and I happen to think that they represent current SOTA at any price. I paid $3K for the pair that were impossible to tell from new. The third amplifier that I think is outstanding, if sonically tailored, is the Plinius SA-100. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I'm somewhat familiar with the VR-4 and what you're describing is its sonic signature. They are quite easy to drive so I wouldn't worry about the wattage of the amplifier too much. I think your best bets would be to experiment with the room and placement. Or even more effective solution would be a good subwoofer like a Talon Roc. You WILL have more impact and slam with the Roc. Cheers, Margaret |
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 21:30:49 GMT, "Margaret von B."
wrote: The Aragon Palladium monos are excellent if one can find a used pair (usually cheap) and they can drive and control just about any speaker. A friend of mine in Boston used them to drive his Scintillas if my memory serves me and they did not blow up in a decade of service. I recently bought a spare pair of Parasound Halo JC-1 monos and I happen to think that they represent current SOTA at any price. I paid $3K for the pair that were impossible to tell from new. The third amplifier that I think is outstanding, if sonically tailored, is the Plinius SA-100. Thanks......The Halo A21 looks interesting as well....... I'm also intrigued by the new digital amps, using B&O's ICEpower technology. The H2O got rave reviews. Also, Acoustic Reality's eAR products produce some hefty power for the money..... Too many choices...... |
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Robert Morein schrieb:
wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I am questioning this. Is what you write the real sound of these amplifiers, or the way they are imagined to sound? What would cause "lacking detail"? Other than high noise level? Do these sound differences be less or even go away if you do not know the amplifier you are listening to? |
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wrote in message ups.com... Robert Morein schrieb: wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I am questioning this. Is what you write the real sound of these amplifiers, or the way they are imagined to sound? What would cause "lacking detail"? Other than high noise level? Do these sound differences be less or even go away if you do not know the amplifier you are listening to? They be sound different. Difference do be significant. Are you do be speak england? Margaret |
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Margaret von B. schrieb:
wrote in message ups.com... Robert Morein schrieb: wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I am questioning this. Is what you write the real sound of these amplifiers, or the way they are imagined to sound? What would cause "lacking detail"? Other than high noise level? Do these sound differences be less or even go away if you do not know the amplifier you are listening to? They be sound different. Difference do be significant. Are you do be speak england? Margaret I think they sound more the same when less is imagined. Try for yourself. England? Do you mean English? My English is not so good. I am trying to be better with English. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Margaret von B. schrieb: wrote in message ups.com... Robert Morein schrieb: wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I am questioning this. Is what you write the real sound of these amplifiers, or the way they are imagined to sound? What would cause "lacking detail"? Other than high noise level? Do these sound differences be less or even go away if you do not know the amplifier you are listening to? They be sound different. Difference do be significant. Are you do be speak england? Margaret I think they sound more the same when less is imagined. Try for yourself. England? Do you mean English? My English is not so good. I am trying to be better with English. I deal with non-native speakers of english all the time and am very familiar with their grammatical errors. No problems there, ever. Your english just happens to be mangled up on purpose. Just like the english of another phony poster on this board. Nice try but no cigar. Margaret |
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Margaret von B. schrieb:
wrote in message oups.com... Margaret von B. schrieb: wrote in message ups.com... Robert Morein schrieb: wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I am questioning this. Is what you write the real sound of these amplifiers, or the way they are imagined to sound? What would cause "lacking detail"? Other than high noise level? Do these sound differences be less or even go away if you do not know the amplifier you are listening to? They be sound different. Difference do be significant. Are you do be speak england? Margaret I think they sound more the same when less is imagined. Try for yourself. England? Do you mean English? My English is not so good. I am trying to be better with English. I deal with non-native speakers of english all the time and am very familiar with their grammatical errors. No problems there, ever. Your english just happens to be mangled up on purpose. Just like the english of another phony poster on this board. Nice try but no cigar. Margaret And what would you do with the cigar, Margaret? Massage the clitoris? You don't have a clitoris, yes? **** off. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Margaret von B. schrieb: wrote in message oups.com... Margaret von B. schrieb: wrote in message ups.com... Robert Morein schrieb: wrote in message ... Greetings, Interested in opinions on these three amplifiers, which I am considering to power original Von Schweikert VR-4's...... I need to tighten up the bottom end and get more "punch" out of the midbass on these VR-4's....... The Hafler shines on the spec sheet, with a superfast slew rate and incredibly high damping factor, but I don't buy on spec's alone.... The Aragon, despite the Bryston's rating of 300/wpc, seems to be the "brute" of the bunch, with a massive, dual power supply and huge filter capacitance. I would imagine the 200/wpc spec is very conservatively rated. The heaviest amplifier of the bunch, if that means anything.... The Bryston seems to get rave reviews, but I'm concerned about its reportedly "laid back" presentation. The VR-4's are slightly "dark" to begin with, and I need something to bring them to life..... Any input would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks!! I've heard older Brystons, and been unimpressed. They sound too much like QSC sound reinforcement amps -- dull, uninvolving, and lacking detail. The Aragon MKII is quite a good amp. The original MKI was a low bias, Class AB amp with a grainy sound. Those familiar with this group know that I like Hafler amps. However, the 9505 is probably not the best match for the VR4. I would recommend the Aragon for this speaker. I am questioning this. Is what you write the real sound of these amplifiers, or the way they are imagined to sound? What would cause "lacking detail"? Other than high noise level? Do these sound differences be less or even go away if you do not know the amplifier you are listening to? They be sound different. Difference do be significant. Are you do be speak england? Margaret I think they sound more the same when less is imagined. Try for yourself. England? Do you mean English? My English is not so good. I am trying to be better with English. I deal with non-native speakers of english all the time and am very familiar with their grammatical errors. No problems there, ever. Your english just happens to be mangled up on purpose. Just like the english of another phony poster on this board. Nice try but no cigar. Margaret And what would you do with the cigar, Margaret? Massage the clitoris? You don't have a clitoris, yes? **** off. Thanks for the confirmation , o' stealthy one! LOL! Margaret |
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jumps out of the closet:
And what would you do with the cigar, Margaret? Massage the clitoris? You don't have a clitoris, yes? **** off. |
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