Recently, I posted a speculation that skin effect and nonlinear dielectric
performance are responsible for a difference in sound between two short
interconnects that were demonstrated to me by a friend. While I still
believe that the difference in sound is real, my speculation as to the cause
has resulted in considerable rebuttal, much of it well-founded.

Many, if not most, participants, find rec.audio.opinion useful to their
psyches as a way that they can posture, puff-up, and dominate, relying on
their overblown egos when argumentation pulls the floor from under their
feet. I have seldom seen a retraction on rec.audio.opinion. To some extent,
this is because subjective expressions are seldom to this kind of
requirement of intellectual honesty. However, when one attempts to argue
with science as a foundation, and one uses science as a shield against the
truth, one lies, but successfully, only to one's self.

My speculation as to the skin effect was based on a remembered calculation
of sigma, which is, indeed, a macroscopic quantity, even at audio
frequencies. What was not intuitively obvious, at least to me, is that this
does not lead with equal confidence to the implication that there is an
effect at audio frequencies.

Other calculations and observations imply or observe that the resonant
frequency of audio cables is far above the audio band. The burden of proof
is on individuals, who like Malcolm Hawksford, attempt quantitative models
to explain perceived differences in audio cables. I am deeply disappointed
that Professor Hawksford chose to use a steel wire in his models, thereby
introducing an entirely unnecessary complication.

In the past, I have had very little interest in the possibility that audio
cables vary widely in sound. Therefore, unlike my involvment with
amplifiers, I cannot make broad assertions through experience with wire.
However, I do believe that in this case, two short interconnects of very
different construction did sound different. For me, the question is, why?

All physicists use something called "physical intuition" to help them decide
what is worth the effort of calculation. If it's wrong, it costs only one
wasted calculation. It should not be used, as I did, to jump to a conclusion
about a mechanism. But physical intuition is a valid speculative tool, and
here, I renew my speculation as to what could explain the cause of my
observation. The possibilities include:
1. nonlinear dielectric
2. mutual inductance
3. Ohm's law with inertia
4. an interaction of bulk conductivity with one or more of the above

Naturally, my ego is slightly bruised that I made an assertion, with respect
to the skin effect, and I could not make it stick. However, I'm at least
slightly proud that I can offer something seldom seen on rec.audio.opinion:
a retraction.

As usual, with best wishes for you all (and reloading for the next
argument
Bob Morein

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...
However, I'm at least
slightly proud that I can offer something seldom seen on
rec.audio.opinion:
a retraction.


Loser!

Margaret

Robert "bad science" Morein said:

"Recently, I posted a speculation that skin effect and nonlinear
dielectric
performance are responsible for a difference in sound between two short

interconnects that were demonstrated to me by a friend. While I still
believe that the difference in sound is real, my speculation as to the
cause
has resulted in considerable rebuttal, much of it well-founded."

IOW my original statement was correct.

"Many, if not most, participants, find rec.audio.opinion useful to
their
psyches as a way that they can posture, puff-up, and dominate, relying
on
their overblown egos when argumentation pulls the floor from under
their
feet."


Speak for yourself. You can not speak for anyone else or their
motives. I believe we should regard the above as confessional.
Hopefully it helps you to come clean.


"Many, if not most, participants, find rec.audio.opinion useful to
their
psyches as a way that they can posture, puff-up, and dominate, relying
on
their overblown egos when argumentation pulls the floor from under
their
feet."

Did you consider the reality of oxide build-up?

"Naturally, my ego is slightly bruised that I made an assertion, with
respect
to the skin effect, and I could not make it stick. However, I'm at
least
slightly proud that I can offer something seldom seen on
rec.audio.opinion:
a retraction."

You should be getting used to by now, this is certainly not the first
time you've been shown to be wrong about your version of "science."

wrote in message
oups.com...
Robert "bad science" Morein said:
[snip crap]

You should be getting used to by now, this is certainly not the first
time you've been shown to be wrong about your version of "science."

By the way, Mr. "Bad Scientist", it's not true that all cables sound the
same, though with your meager income, you'll never know the truth.

These are truely the best cables, something your "science" could never
divine:
http://www.taralabs.com/catalog/cata...49E72256#tabs2

And the best speaker cables are Monster Sigma Retro Golds. Read about them
here, if you are capable:
http://www.stereophile.com/accessoryreviews/204monster/

"Margaret von B." wrote
in message
.. .

"Robert Morein" wrote in
message
...

However, I'm at least
slightly proud that I can offer something seldom seen on
rec.audio.opinion:

a retraction.

What is seen more often on RAO is a correction - I've posted
more corrections to my own posts than anybody else here,
ever.

Note that I posted two separate polite corrections to
Morein's erroneious posts about skin effect.

Loser!

Note that Maggie rants and raves about other's hateful
posts, and then posts this.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Margaret von B." wrote
in message
.. .

"Robert Morein" wrote in
message
...

However, I'm at least
slightly proud that I can offer something seldom seen on
rec.audio.opinion:

a retraction.

What is seen more often on RAO is a correction - I've posted
more corrections to my own posts than anybody else here,
ever.


I see. Another win for you. Did you tell your family yet?

Note that I posted two separate polite corrections to
Morein's erroneious posts about skin effect.


If it was anybody else, I'd take this as a joke. Even people with a modicum
of intelligence would realize that "eiou" just plain looks wrong. Let me
guess: "It was a typoe."

Loser!

Note that Maggie rants and raves about other's hateful
posts, and then posts this.


Give him some rope....

LOL!

Margaret

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wrote in message


oups.com...

Robert "bad science" Morein said:
[snip crap]

You should be getting used to by now, this is certainly not the first
time you've been shown to be wrong about your version of "science



.."

By the way, Mr. "Bad Scientist", it's not true that all cables sound
the
same, though with your meager income, you'll never know the truth.


These are truely the best cables, something your "science" could never
divine:
http://www.taralabs.com/catalo=ADg/c...AB2=AD2&ID=3D=
9964...



And the best speaker cables are Monster Sigma Retro Golds. Read about
them
here, if you are capable:
http://www.stereophile.com/acc=ADess...ws/204monster/


The above is a forgery.

wrote in message


oups.com...

Robert "bad science" Morein said:
[snip crap]

You should be getting used to by now, this is certainly not the first
time you've been shown to be wrong about your version of "science



.."

By the way, Mr. "Bad Scientist", it's not true that all cables sound
the
same, though with your meager income, you'll never know the truth.


These are truely the best cables, something your "science" could never
divine:
http://www.taralabs.com/catalo=ADg/c...AB2=AD2&ID=3D=
9964...



And the best speaker cables are Monster Sigma Retro Golds. Read about
them
here, if you are capable:
http://www.stereophile.com/acc=ADess...ws/204monster/


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The above is a forgery.

The best cables you can use, probably came with the equipment.