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Suckers
Till next time, Suckers.
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya. |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? :-) Margaret |
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Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. |
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"Margaret von B." wrote:
"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? :-) Margaret Why do I keep thinking that you work for the guy? Howard Ferstler |
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Howard Ferstler wrote: wrote: Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. Howard, my reply to "Maggie" was intended as sarcasm. I did not mean to imply that you actually were "afraid" of the limey blowhard. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. I believe that Mr. Atkinson is an opportunist who, first and foremost, must keep his magazine in business. That he so openly contests the obvious advantages of the DBT protocol tells me that he is not really all that interested in popularizing the rational side of audio. And he has a good reason for this attitude. Money talks at $tereopile. The writer Harry Crews published a novel years ago entitled The Gospel Singer. It is about an Elmer Gantry style con artist who eventually becomes guilt ridden and stands up in front of his very rough, emotional and country red-neck congregation and confesses that he has been feeding them a bunch of claptrap for years. The congregation rises out of its collective seats and kills the guy right up there at the front of the church. Years of deceit finally revealed will have its payback, and I assume that guys like Mr. Atkinson are fully aware of what the tweakos would do to his magazine (and what the magazine owners would do to him as a result) if he fessed up and spilled the beans. Howard Ferstler |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... "Margaret von B." wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? :-) Margaret Why do I keep thinking that you work for the guy? Howard Ferstler Because you don't really have a life? Cheers, Margaret |
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wrote: Howard Ferstler wrote: wrote: Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. Howard, my reply to "Maggie" was intended as sarcasm. I did not mean to imply that you actually were "afraid" of the limey blowhard. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. Kissing Howard Ferstler's ass. That may be a new low for RAO. I believe that Mr. Atkinson is an opportunist who, first and foremost, must keep his magazine in business. That he so openly contests the obvious advantages of the DBT protocol tells me that he is not really all that interested in popularizing the rational side of audio. And he has a good reason for this attitude. Money talks at $tereopile. The fact that other people make money really ****es you off doesn't it? Scott Wheeler |
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Years of deceit finally revealed will have its payback, and I assume that guys like Mr. Atkinson are fully aware of what the tweakos would do to his magazine (and what the magazine owners would do to him as a result) if he fessed up and spilled the beans. Howard Ferstler With envy we see Howie is filled... And he speaks of beans to be spilled His envy shows through And he gets in a stew, Over someone who is far more skilled. Hammingaway |
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wrote in message ups.com... Howard Ferstler wrote: wrote: Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. Howard, my reply to "Maggie" was intended as sarcasm. I did not mean to imply that you actually were "afraid" of the limey blowhard. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. U afraid u wrecked the "human wrecking ball"? :-) I believe that Mr. Atkinson is an opportunist who, first and foremost, must keep his magazine in business. That he so openly contests the obvious advantages of the DBT protocol tells me that he is not really all that interested in popularizing the rational side of audio. And he has a good reason for this attitude. Money talks at $tereopile. Speaking of money, Rich, what's the going price for a chain lube in the boonies? :-) Cheers, Margaret |
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Howard Ferstler wrote: wrote: Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. Howard, my reply to "Maggie" was intended as sarcasm. I did not mean to imply that you actually were "afraid" of the limey blowhard. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. Kissing Howard Ferstler's ass. That may be a new low for RAO. You need to be more sympathetic to Rich's situation, Scott. It is conceivable that Howard owns a bicycle or two that are in need of a lube job... :-) I believe that Mr. Atkinson is an opportunist who, first and foremost, must keep his magazine in business. That he so openly contests the obvious advantages of the DBT protocol tells me that he is not really all that interested in popularizing the rational side of audio. And he has a good reason for this attitude. Money talks at $tereopile. The fact that other people make money really ****es you off doesn't it? Well, you don't know how much Rich charges for a lube. Could be in double digits....like 75 cents per chain! :-) Cheers, Margaret |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... wrote: Howard Ferstler wrote: wrote: Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. Howard, my reply to "Maggie" was intended as sarcasm. I did not mean to imply that you actually were "afraid" of the limey blowhard. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. No problem. I knew you were kidding. I was referring to others who think I am afraid of the guy. Even if he could put an end to my writing career (which I am on the verge of ending, anyway, simply because of my losing interest), Lets be honest here, Howard. You just did not succeed, plain and simple. :-) I would certainly not be afraid of him. I see. You just prefer to stick your head in the sand out of sheer respect for John Atkinson. We get it now! :-) But don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Cheers, Margaret |
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I would certainly not be afraid of him.
Howard Ferstler 'Ol Howie he says he's not afraid So we won't rain on his parade... We'll cut him some slack Ans pat him on the back, And let him keep up his masquerade. Hammingaway |
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He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little
to amuse the rest of us. :-) Cheers, Margaret Now Howie gets kicked around, And he sometimes gets unwound An' he says he might quit His writing in a bit... 'Cause he can't write nothin' profound. Hammingaway |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:58:25 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote: Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. Of course, you don't take YOURSELF too seriously, or take the hobby too seriously... I believe that Mr. Atkinson is an opportunist who, first and foremost, must keep his magazine in business. That he so openly contests the obvious advantages of the DBT protocol tells me that he is not really all that interested in popularizing the rational side of audio. And he has a good reason for this attitude. The writer Harry Crews published a novel years ago entitled The Gospel Singer. It is about an Elmer Gantry style con artist who eventually becomes guilt ridden and stands up in front of his very rough, emotional and country red-neck congregation and confesses that he has been feeding them a bunch of claptrap for years. The congregation rises out of its collective seats and kills the guy right up there at the front of the church. He also published Body, which showed how pride comes before a fall. The only difference between you and the protagonist is that the protagonist was a female bodybuilder and you are the figurative 98 lb. weakness. BTW, your fellow Gainesvillian is a GREAT writer with a very muscular style. Unlike you, sadly. |
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Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) Heh, that is funny! Mr. Shain preceded my involvement in RAO and I must have missed him when I did my catch-up but sounds like he's sorely missed here. At any rate, given the extrely vile language used lately by Arny and his little sockpuppet/supporter/subjects, I think it would be fair to replace "take a leak" with "feed the Arny"... :-) You really are a good sport, John. Cheers, Margaret PS. When are YOU going to review the new Avantgarde MetaPrimos? |
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Mr. Shain preceded my involvement in RAO and I must have missed him when I did my catch-up but sounds like he's sorely missed here. Ed Shain was really quite a card He fought Arny K. long and hard. And to his credit He never did let it Shake his cool or catch him off guard. Hammingaway |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) John, I feel till now you've conducted yourself in a gentlemanly (dare I say English?) manner and I applaude you for this, which is more than I can say for Krueger or the street fighting Ferstler. I even appreciate your attempt to put out the RAO flames by inviting Arny to HE 2005, even though it only served as more fuel to the fire. However, the above comment is really unbecoming of you. That you would stoop down to the level exemplified by some of your alleged minions - Margaret and Middius, to name a few - is quite surprising and, frankly, a little disappointing. I thought you would be above such infantile shenanigans. Have you ever read Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker? It contains criticism on Dawkins' long-running intellectual feud with Stephen Jay Gould over the theory of evolutionary psychology. Sometime during the 1980s when Dawkins was visiting America, he was invited to participate in a televised debate with a prominent creationist. He called up Gould for advice, who simply said: "Don't do it". The logic being that "winning" the debate is not what the creationists aspired to. For them it would be sufficient if the debate happened at all. They needed the publicity and credibility, the biologists did not. For me, the analogy is obvious. Schiz |
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Howard Ferstler wrote: "Margaret von B." wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? :-) Margaret Why do I keep thinking that you work for the guy? Because you assume everyone is as slimy as you? Scott Wheeler |
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"Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in message Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) John, I feel till now you've conducted yourself in a gentlemanly (dare I say English?) manner and I applaude you for this, which is more than I can say for Krueger or the street fighting Ferstler. I even appreciate your attempt to put out the RAO flames by inviting Arny to HE 2005, even though it only served as more fuel to the fire. However, the above comment is really unbecoming of you. That you would stoop down to the level exemplified by some of your alleged minions - Margaret and Middius, to name a few - is quite surprising and, frankly, a little disappointing. I thought you would be above such infantile shenanigans. Bad curry? Have you ever read Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker? It contains... How interesting. Cheers, Margaret |
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Howard Ferstler wrote: wrote: Margaret von B. wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Till next time, Suckers. Howard Ferstler Fearing *more* punishment from John Atkinson? Oh yeah! You can tell that Howard is really "afraid" of the limey sleazeball. Tweakos really take themselves WAY too seriously, and see all of these teapot tempests as major warfare. "If irony killed" That I, an individual who is basically retired and writing mainly to learn something about audio products and have a bit of fun, is "afraid" of someone like Mr. Atkinson is preposterous. It is preposterous. You are too stupid to be afraid of real issues about your career like plagiarism and fraud so it stands to reason you wouldn't be afraid of an editor of a magazine that would never hire you anyways. I believe that Mr. Atkinson is an opportunist who, first and foremost, must keep his magazine in business. That he so openly contests the obvious advantages of the DBT protocol tells me that he is not really all that interested in popularizing the rational side of audio. And he has a good reason for this attitude. You fraudulant tests certainly support his position that such tests are not really all that advantageous. The writer Harry Crews published a novel years ago entitled The Gospel Singer. It is about an Elmer Gantry style con artist who eventually becomes guilt ridden and stands up in front of his very rough, emotional and country red-neck congregation and confesses that he has been feeding them a bunch of claptrap for years. The congregation rises out of its collective seats and kills the guy right up there at the front of the church. I guess this fear will keep you from confessing your fraud. Years of deceit finally revealed will have its payback, and I assume that guys like Mr. Atkinson are fully aware of what the tweakos would do to his magazine (and what the magazine owners would do to him as a result) if he fessed up and spilled the beans. So says the fraud and plagiarist. Scott Wheeler |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) What goes around... ;-) |
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"Margaret von B." wrote in message Bad curry? I'm not sure why I included you. After all, about 1 in 4 of your posts are audio related as opposed to Middius's 1 to 1000 ratio. |
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Scott said to Thing: The fact that other people make money really ****es you off doesn't it? I believe you're right. Of course, that's hardly the only thing that ****es Thing off. ;-) |
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Schizo-Idiot said: your alleged minions - Margaret and Middius, When I said you should keep on being an epochal retard, I didn't mean to affirm that behavior. Rather the reverse, actually. |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Schizo-Idiot said: your alleged minions - Margaret and Middius, When I said you should keep on being an epochal retard, I didn't mean to affirm that behavior. Rather the reverse, actually. George, don't be so hard on the boy! I think he's got potential. I think gentler guidance would be more effective. You a wine lover, George? Cheers, Margaret |
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SchizoTard said: After all, about 1 in 4 of your posts are audio related as opposed to Middius's 1 to 1000 ratio. Are you *still* complaining about me? |
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The Stereophile watch dog barks again:
SchizoTard said: After all, about 1 in 4 of your posts are audio related as opposed to Middius's 1 to 1000 ratio. Are you *still* complaining about me? Your stupidity is staggering. |
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Margaret von B. said: When I said you should keep on being an epochal retard, I didn't mean to affirm that behavior. Rather the reverse, actually. George, don't be so hard on the boy! I think he's got potential. I think gentler guidance would be more effective. He reminds me of Yoon-Yoon the Pious Pandaschlub. You a wine lover, George? Oh yes. I've been a Zin fan since my first bottle. That was an Inglenook in '75 or so. A good Cab is my go-to wine. I tend to steer clear of Merlot varietals, although our friend from Tennessee has given me a rec or two on some examples of exceptional quality. I like most red wines, except for the overrated blue-collar plonk from Corbieres. |
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Schizoid Man opined:
Schizoid Man May 19, 8:10 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion From: "Schizoid Man" - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:10:40 -0700 Local: Thurs,May 19 2005 8:10 pm Subject: Suckers Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "John Atkinson" wrote in message Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) John , I feel till now you've conducted yourself in a gentlemanly (dare I say English?) manner and I applaude you for this, which is more than I can say for Krueger or the street fighting Ferstler. I even appreciate your attempt to put out the RAO flames by inviting Arny to HE 2005, even though it only served as more fuel to the fire. However, the above comment is really unbecoming of you. That you would stoop down to the level exemplified by some of your alleged minions - Margaret and Middius, to name a few - is quite surprising and, frankly, a little disappointing. I thought you would be above such infantile shenanigans. My Dear Schiz: That you would make such a statement, tells us that you truly don't get it. JA is not now nor has he ever been above the kind of comment you are shocked by. If he were Stereophile could not exist, since it's purpose is to appeal to the infantile, particularly the infantile that have lots of money and no knowledge of how electronics work. When you hire loose cannons like Fremer who go around engaging in public scream fests with people who rightly criticize them for their errors, you have to expect a certain level of sleaze to eventually reveal itself. |
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"Margaret von B." wrote:
"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... No problem. I knew you were kidding. I was referring to others who think I am afraid of the guy. Even if he could put an end to my writing career (which I am on the verge of ending, anyway, simply because of my losing interest), Lets be honest here, Howard. You just did not succeed, plain and simple. :-) The big question should be: is this little hobby of ours worth all the trouble I have put forth? In the past I would have said yes. Now, I am not so sure. For one thing, high-end audio is probably going to die out, anyway, except for a very small handful of extreme types like you. Atkinson and his crew can entertain them down the line on a very small scale. I would certainly not be afraid of him. I see. You just prefer to stick your head in the sand out of sheer respect for John Atkinson. They guy has become master of a fool's paradise. We get it now! :-) But don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) You seem to know what is on his mind, which is further proof that you probably work for the guy. You kind of come across like that idiot Scull, to tell the truth. Howard Ferstler |
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John Atkinson wrote:
Margaret von B. wrote: don't worry, Howard. You're way too insignificant for him to try to end your "writing career". He's just a little bored and likes to kick you around a little to amuse the rest of us. :-) Dman it, Margaret, now you've given the game away! Ed Shain said it best a few years back: "Get up in the morning, take a leak, kick the Ferstler." :-) I wonder how many of the sockpuppet goofballs who post here write for your magazine and/or maybe The Absolute sound. It is hard to believe that they would just sit back and ignore all of this give and take of ours, John, and not put in their two-cents worth occasionally. Howard Ferstler |
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Schizoid Man wrote:
Have you ever read Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker? It contains criticism on Dawkins' long-running intellectual feud with Stephen Jay Gould over the theory of evolutionary psychology. Sometime during the 1980s when Dawkins was visiting America, he was invited to participate in a televised debate with a prominent creationist. He called up Gould for advice, who simply said: "Don't do it". The logic being that "winning" the debate is not what the creationists aspired to. For them it would be sufficient if the debate happened at all. They needed the publicity and credibility, the biologists did not. For me, the analogy is obvious. And on the mark. Howard Ferstler |
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Howard Ferstler said:
I wonder how many of the sockpuppet goofballs who post here write for your magazine and/or maybe The Absolute sound. It is hard to believe that they would just sit back and ignore all of this give and take of ours, John, and not put in their two-cents worth occasionally. You've blown our cover, mr. Ferstler. We're actually Jonathan Scull. All of us here. -- "Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes." - Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005 |
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dave weil wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:58:25 -0400, Howard Ferstler wrote: The writer Harry Crews published a novel years ago entitled The Gospel Singer. It is about an Elmer Gantry style con artist who eventually becomes guilt ridden and stands up in front of his very rough, emotional and country red-neck congregation and confesses that he has been feeding them a bunch of claptrap for years. The congregation rises out of its collective seats and kills the guy right up there at the front of the church. He also published Body, which showed how pride comes before a fall. The only difference between you and the protagonist is that the protagonist was a female bodybuilder and you are the figurative 98 lb. weakness. You want to read some really rough Crews? Try Feast of Snakes. Have you ever met Crews? I took a course from him at the junior college in Broward County before he published his first novel. During that time, I spent time in his office talking to him about a variety of subjects. (No doubt, he has completely forgotten the encounter.) Anyway, the guy looked like he could fold over a telephone pole and wrap it around a house. He once got mad at a student who was mouthing off in class and I really thought that Crews was going to reach out and physically destroy the guy. (Crews also was a martial arts enthusiast.) Later on, when he had published several more novels and I had long departed from Broward County and he had moved on to the University of Florida to teach creative writing, I saw a picture of him and he looked downright dangerous. I am not kidding. I mean he looked lethal. This was not a guy anybody would want to cross. One writer who interviewed him said that when he first met Crews he was actually scared of him. BTW, your fellow Gainesvillian is a GREAT writer with a very muscular style. Unlike you, sadly. I am not in Gainseville and did not even go to school there, but I will agree that he is a great writer. I mean, he is modern America's philosophical red-neck version of Dostoyevsky. Did you ever get a chance to read some of his short material when it was published in Esquire? It drove some of those Yankee liberals who read the magazine crazy. Incidentally, I have an autographed copy of his book, Florida Frenzy. Incidentally, it is pointless to compare an accomplished novelist and short-story writers with somebody who writes books and articles dealing with a small-scale hobby like audio. I would imagine that Crews would consider anyone who is all wrapped up in audio (including me) as a time-wasting wimp. Howard Ferstler |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
Howard Ferstler said: I wonder how many of the sockpuppet goofballs who post here write for your magazine and/or maybe The Absolute sound. It is hard to believe that they would just sit back and ignore all of this give and take of ours, John, and not put in their two-cents worth occasionally. You've blown our cover, mr. Ferstler. We're actually Jonathan Scull. All of us here. Most of you write too well here to be that guy. Not all of you, though. Howard Ferstler |
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