"HE2005: The Great Debate".

It is clear now that this public debate organized by John
Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his
invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ?
IMHO hubris only !...

Do you know why the debate was a non-event (so a complete
failure) ? Because its only goal was to make *publicly* an
ass of Arnold Krueger. Explanation...


1. According to George M. Middius and RAO morons, JA was 95%
sure that Arnold Krueger will refuse his invitation. First
deal, first fall.

2. He was sure that he will be able to destabilize Arnold
Krueger during the debate.
Second deal, second fall.

3. Now, with the only help of George M. Middius, he is
engaged in a pitiful provocating tie-break trying to save
the debris of his shipwreck.
He isn't acting like the journalist he pretends to be but
more like a paparazzi. His last petty attempt : a menace to
broadcast publicly a recording of Mr. Krueger's voice. Note
that this proposal was a total treason to "The Devil's" wish
(see Mr DeWaal and Mr Weil's express warnings).

The RAO careful reader will now understand that John
Atkinson is playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"...
Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries
to be publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to
engaged a law suit against Arnold Krueger...

Lionel a écrit :


"a menace to broadcast publicly a recording of Mr. Krueger's
voice."

Should read : "an illegal recording of..."

Lionel wrote:
"HE2005: The Great Debate".

It is clear now that this public debate organized by John
Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his
invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ?
IMHO hubris only !...

Do you know why the debate was a non-event (so a complete
failure) ? Because its only goal was to make *publicly* an
ass of Arnold Krueger. Explanation...


1. According to George M. Middius and RAO morons, JA was 95%
sure that Arnold Krueger will refuse his invitation. First
deal, first fall.


Such is the arrogance of John Atkinson; he truly believed Arny would be
"afraid" to face him. Guess again, sleazeball! ;-)


2. He was sure that he will be able to destabilize Arnold
Krueger during the debate.


Again, such is the arrogance of John Atkinson. BTW, how's "the Rug",
John? Is it at least real hair, or just the Dynel it appears to be?

Second deal, second fall.

3. Now, with the only help of George M. Middius, he is
engaged in a pitiful provocating tie-break trying to save
the debris of his shipwreck.
He isn't acting like the journalist he pretends to be


"the journalist he pretends to be" is an understatement. He's just an
opportunistic sleazeball who has carved out a little fiefdom in the
kingdom of the (intellectually) blind. I doubt he believes a small
fraction of the BS he spews.


but more like a paparazzi.


More like a small time putz, IMO.


His last petty attempt : a menace to
broadcast publicly a recording of Mr. Krueger's voice. Note
that this proposal was a total treason to "The Devil's" wish
(see Mr DeWaal and Mr Weil's express warnings).


Once again, John Atkinson of Stereophile is just a small time putz.

The RAO careful reader will now understand that John
Atkinson is playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"...
Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries
to be publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to
engaged a law suit against Arnold Krueger...


Even more of a jerkoff than Wheeler??? ;-)

a écrit :

"the journalist he pretends to be" is an understatement. He's just an
opportunistic sleazeball who has carved out a little fiefdom in the
kingdom of the (intellectually) blind. I doubt he believes a small
fraction of the BS he spews.

John Atkinson is surely a mediocre scientist but a real
business man... The kind of guy not really talented for the
research but with a good quill to write the reports.

Note that he had the intelligence to understand that he
would earn more money in preaching for convinced persons
than in working hard for hypothetic results.

An other real American success story with the US
naturalization as happy end.

"Lionel" wrote in message
...


The RAO careful reader will now understand that John Atkinson is playing
his last trump, the "all or nothing"...
Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries to be publicly
insulted in order to get *the* good reason to engaged a law suit against
Arnold Krueger...

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

if irony and a lawsuit would award JA proprietorship of
www.pcabx.com!



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Clyde Slick a écrit :

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

Yes, we have observed that you aren't Mr. Deep Thoughts.

Lionel wrote:
Clyde Slick a =E9crit :

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

Yes, we have observed that you aren't Mr. Deep Thoughts.


!!LOL!!

Clyde Slick wrote:
"Lionel" wrote in message
...


The RAO careful reader will now understand that John
Atkinson is
playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"...
Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly
tries to be
publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to
engaged a law
suit against Arnold Krueger...

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

I probably spent more on audio last year than JA.

if irony and a lawsuit would award JA proprietorship of
www.pcabx.com!

There's more where that one came from.

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick a écrit :

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

Yes, we have observed that you aren't Mr. Deep Thoughts.

Although you are Mr. Deep Sewer.



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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:


Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

I probably spent more on audio last year than JA.


JA earned more on audio than you did last year.



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"Lionel" wrote in message
...
"HE2005: The Great Debate".

It is clear now that this public debate organized by John
Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his
invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ?
IMHO hubris only !...

Lionel,
I'm not sure I have ever been informed of your philosophical position.
Do you sympathize with Arny in an absolute way, or as a choice relative to
the attitudes found in Stereophile? Or are you primarily defending Arny from
attacks you feel are unfair?

If you were to take photographs of my systems, you would see much of
what you might find in Arny Krueger's systems; cheap interconnects, cost
efficient components, etc. The reason I am opposed to Krueger is much for
the same reason that the French Terror is regarded with horror; so many
possibilities, as well as some truths, are attacked by Arny's broad assault.
The second reason is that Arny uses unfair tactics, such as making an
interpretation of another person's post, and proclaiming that it is the
other person's statement.

I also disagree with Arny's testing methodology. And yet, we have made
so many choices that are similar.

If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means."

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Clyde Slick wrote:

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

I probably spent more on audio last year than JA.

Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't need to spend gobs of
money on things like amps, power cables and speaker spikes?

Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you purchase?

Clyde Slick said:

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

I probably spent more on audio last year than JA.

JA earned more on audio than you did last year.

But Arnii still has the largest collection of obsolete sound cards in North
America.;-)

Schizoid Man said:

I probably spent more on audio last year than JA.

Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't need to spend gobs of
money on things like amps, power cables and speaker spikes?

No no, you misunderstand. When other people spend lots of money, it's
immoral and wasteful and foolish. When Krooger spends lots of money, it's
prudent and manly and very, very smart. ;-)

Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you purchase?

Check ebay for the trail. Turdy has gobbled up another 166 sound cards, 27
amplifiers, 381 microphones, and 96 MP3 players. Quantity over quality --
that's the ticket!

Robert Morein said:

If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means."

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein said:

If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that
both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means."

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe
Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on
behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.

I understand, though I prefer to paint McCarty with a far darker shade of
black.

The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" wrote:
Robert Morein said:

If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be
that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the
means."

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe
Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on
behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.


You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and
distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate
bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of
****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along.

Robert Morein said:

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.

I understand, though I prefer to paint McCarty with a far darker shade of
black.

Yes, I agree. But Bwian doesn't confine his nefarious activities to Usenet.
Krooger is all bark and loT"s of feces, but Bwian is an explosive latrine.
Or something.

BTW, when are you going to fix your newsreader?






This post reformatted by the Resistance,
laboring tirelessly to de-Kroogerize Usenet.

wrote:
The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" wrote:
Robert Morein said:

If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be
that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the
means."

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I
believe
Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking
on
behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.


You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and
distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate
bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of
****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along.

You are truly an idiot. No wonder you can't make it on your own. Did
you get beat up a lot at school?




Scott Wheeler

wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" wrote:
Robert Morein said:

If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be
that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the
means."

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I
believe
Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking
on
behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.


You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and
distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate
bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of
****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along.

You are truly an idiot. No wonder you can't make it on your own. Did
you get beat up a lot at school?

what school?



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Little **** said:

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.

You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and
distribute recordings of private telephone conversations

Oopsie! You're lying again. That doesn't surprise me, of course, since you
freely admit you admire Arnii Kroofeces, Master of the Lying Trade. ;-)

I'm sorry you're too stupid to configure your newsreader properly. You can
take consolation in the fact that many others are just as clueless as you
are. (That's not news to you, right?)

Now let's talk about you. Who are you? ;-) How many bicycles have you
"fixed" this month? Did the scam you tried on Winkis succeed on any other
victims? How long before the warrants against you in Massachusetts expire?
Did you have murder your parents to get their house, or did you just
threaten them into quiescence? If you had a job and a decent income, would
you buy a bunch of guns, or just stick to drugs?







This post reformatted by the Resistance,
laboring tirelessly to de-Kroogerize Usenet.

The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" proves Lionel is right:
Little **** said:

"George" is so cute!


Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I
believe Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking
on behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.

You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and
distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate
bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of
****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along.

Oopsie! You're lying again.


About what, "George"? Recordings of private telephone conversations?
Bogus lawsuits? False police reports? That you are a piece of ****?
That you get along with Atkinson?


That doesn't surprise me, of course, since you
freely admit you admire Arnii Kroofeces, Master of the Lying Trade.
;-)


And you idolize a lying limey sleazeball. You lose.


I'm sorry you're too stupid to configure your newsreader properly.
You can
take consolation in the fact that many others are just as clueless as
you
are. (That's not news to you, right?)


Properly configured newsreaders are ***SO IMPORTANT*** what am I to do?
:-o


Now let's talk about you. Who are you? ;-) How many bicycles have you
"fixed" this month? Did the scam you tried on Winkis succeed on any
other
victims? How long before the warrants against you in Massachusetts
expire?
Did you have murder your parents to get their house, or did you just
threaten them into quiescence? If you had a job and a decent income,
would
you buy a bunch of guns, or just stick to drugs?


Score!!!!








PS- are you off the meds again?

wrote:

"the journalist he pretends to be" is an understatement. He's just an
opportunistic sleazeball who has carved out a little fiefdom in the
kingdom of the (intellectually) blind. I doubt he believes a small
fraction of the BS he spews.

The sad truth is that he now does believe, being surrounded
by simmilar people for years. Watch him respond to this
by touting what an expert he is.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein said:

Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe
Krooger
is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on
behalf
of everybody, still within the same borders.

I understand, though I prefer to paint McCarty with a far darker shade of
black.

Yes, I agree. But Bwian doesn't confine his nefarious activities to
Usenet.
Krooger is all bark and loT"s of feces, but Bwian is an explosive latrine.
Or something.

BTW, when are you going to fix your newsreader?

What's wrong with it?

Schizoid Man wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Clyde Slick wrote:

Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets.

I probably spent more on audio last year than JA.

Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't
need to spend
gobs of money on things like amps, power cables and
speaker spikes?

Silly me, I blew so much of it on microphones.

Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you
purchase?

A few power amps, some equalizers, one or two audio
interfaces, and about 30 microphones, mic preamps, cables
stands and the like.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
wrote:

"the journalist he pretends to be" is an understatement. He's just
an
opportunistic sleazeball who has carved out a little fiefdom in the
kingdom of the (intellectually) blind. I doubt he believes a small
fraction of the BS he spews.

The sad truth is that he now does believe, being surrounded
by simmilar people for years. Watch him respond to this
by touting what an expert he is.


I do wonder if, after all these years, ha actually believes that "blind
amplifier testing led me astray" story he belched out at the "Great
Debate". It seems so contrived, IMO, but maybe he does believe it.

Lionel wrote:
"HE2005: The Great Debate".

It is clear now that this public debate organized by John
Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his
invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost.


Two weeks after the "Great Debate", it is clearly John Atkinson's
credibility that has taken the hit. As you say, "he played, he lost".

Robert Morein a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message
...

"HE2005: The Great Debate".

It is clear now that this public debate organized by John
Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his
invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ?
IMHO hubris only !...


Lionel,
I'm not sure I have ever been informed of your philosophical position.
Do you sympathize with Arny in an absolute way, or as a choice relative to
the attitudes found in Stereophile? Or are you primarily defending Arny from
attacks you feel are unfair?

1. IMO it is not possible to sympathize with Arnold Krueger
in an absolute way.

2. I am really astonished by the weak critical potential of
high-end audio magazines in general. Can you imagine such
"onctuous" critics in literature, music, movie... ?
Guys like John Atkinson doesn't participate to any real
improvement they are just trying to keep up a very
profitable business.
They aren't innovators just petty *pensioners*.

3. On RAO everyone have the supporters he deserves.
Middius supports Atkinson and I am "supporting" Krueger...
....I have never insulted John Atkinson. ;-)


If you were to take photographs of my systems, you would see much of
what you might find in Arny Krueger's systems; cheap interconnects, cost
efficient components, etc. The reason I am opposed to Krueger is much for
the same reason that the French Terror is regarded with horror; so many
possibilities, as well as some truths, are attacked by Arny's broad assault.

100% agree with you this is unacceptable behaviour.

The second reason is that Arny uses unfair tactics, such as making an
interpretation of another person's post, and proclaiming that it is the
other person's statement.

100% agree with you this is unacceptable behaviour.

I also disagree with Arny's testing methodology. And yet, we have made
so many choices that are similar.

Seems to me that Krueger's system has some potential.
Perhaps it has some serious technical flaws (statisticals,
recording...) but I'm sure that it can be improved to be an
other instrument in the panoply of audio reviewer, nothing
more than an *instrument* among other instruments.


If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both
Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means."

Except you, Sander and one or two occasional posters, there
isn't any technical opposition to Krueger's views.

Most of the RAO remaining regulars are guys fascinated by
Arnold Krueger. He exerts on them an attraction, a pervet
interest which make them look very stupid. Watch Weil's
pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold,
don't tell me that this guy is "normal", and no need to
speak about Middius' real obsession...

dick "internet bicycle repairman" Malesweski wrote

Two weeks after the "Great Debate", it is clearly John Atkinson's
credibility that has taken the hit. As you say, "he played, he lost".


Yes - the credibility hit he has taken with you four idiots
is keeping him up at night. The rest of us can see that John
behaves like a gentleman and Arny behaves like a cowardly
nerd. Some have issues with John's position on methods
and conclusions, but retain respect for the man. Only you
four idiots actually have any respect or pretend to have
respect for Arny. Oh - and I guess Brian McCarty is in
your circle jerk as well.

Surf wrote:

dick "internet bicycle repairman" Malesweski wrote

Two weeks after the "Great Debate", it is clearly John
Atkinson's
credibility that has taken the hit. As you say, "he
played, he lost".

Yes - the credibility hit he has taken with you four
idiots
is keeping him up at night.

Tom, apparently you're trying to explain Atkinson's
bedraggled appearance at the debate. He had some kind of
premonition that this was going to happen.

The rest of us can see that John
behaves like a gentleman and Arny behaves like a cowardly
nerd.

Really? You can say that even after the release of the
recording of the debate, which finishes up with Atkinson's
slightly quivering voice relievedly unilaterally calling an
end to the debate at the earliest possible opportunity?

Some have issues with John's position on methods
and conclusions, but retain respect for the man.

Why should John get any more respect than I?

Only you four idiots actually have any respect or pretend
to have
respect for Arny.

Good thing they apparently don't let you log onto
rec.audio.pro, Tom.

Perhaps you should google this thread:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...2cbb3d3ebbfa1a

On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:50:43 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

Watch Weil's
pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold,

Since I respond to far less than 1% of his posts, your observation is
completely wrongheaded.

Since you respond to almost 100% of my posts, what does this say about
*your* efforts? Would pathetic qualify?

Silver Surfer tortured by an other existential crisis wrote :

dick "internet bicycle repairman" Malesweski wrote

Two weeks after the "Great Debate", it is clearly John Atkinson's
credibility that has taken the hit. As you say, "he played, he lost".



Yes - the credibility hit he has taken with you four idiots
is keeping him up at night. The rest of us can see that John
behaves like a gentleman and Arny behaves like a cowardly
nerd. Some have issues with John's position on methods
and conclusions, but retain respect for the man. Only you
four idiots actually have any respect or pretend to have
respect for Arny. Oh - and I guess Brian McCarty is in
your circle jerk as well.

Tell me Surf where I have shown lack of respect for John
Atkinson ?
I just note that I've never seen any Gentleman acting like a
paparazzi, Atkinson threat is a reality not like my alleged
lack of respect...
When, months ago, he invited Krueger I have been the *first*
to write that he was acting like a *gentleman* while the
usual idiots (Middius, Sackman, Weil...) were writing that
he was inviting Arnold to "destroy" him (which was IMHO
insulting for JA).

JA post-debate behaviour really astonished me !!! The above
is just an attempt an exercize to explain this post-debate
behaviour. That's all.

dave weil a écrit :
On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:50:43 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


Watch Weil's
pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold,


Since I respond to far less than 1% of his posts, your observation is
completely wrongheaded.

Since you respond to almost 100% of my posts, what does this say about
*your* efforts? Would pathetic qualify?

He, he ! ;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Surf wrote:

Only you four idiots actually have any respect or pretend
to have
respect for Arny.

Good thing they apparently don't let you log onto
rec.audio.pro, Tom.

Perhaps you should google this thread:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...2cbb3d3ebbfa1a



Arny, we are talking about the lack of respect for you as a decent human
being,
we are not talking about respect for you as a technician.
Of course, the respect you might get as a human being is certiainly of no
importance to you,all that matters
is that we all celebrate your geekhood.




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dave weil said to Lionella:

Since you respond to almost 100% of my posts, what does this say about
*your* efforts? Would pathetic qualify?

A good 'bot is nothing if not persistent. Whoever programmed Slut to keep
barking at you can at least take solace in that.

On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:20:39 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

When, months ago, he invited Krueger I have been the *first*
to write that he was acting like a *gentleman* while the
usual idiots (Middius, Sackman, Weil...) were writing that
he was inviting Arnold to "destroy" him (which was IMHO
insulting for JA).

I never said any such thing.

"Arny Krueger" wrote
....
Surf wrote:

dick "internet bicycle repairman" Malesweski wrote

Two weeks after the "Great Debate", it is clearly John
Atkinson's
credibility that has taken the hit. As you say, "he
played, he lost".

Yes - the credibility hit he has taken with you four
idiots
is keeping him up at night.

Tom, apparently you're trying to explain Atkinson's
bedraggled appearance at the debate. He had some kind of
premonition that this was going to happen.

On the other hand, you looked fabulous in your polyester
suit and that very stylish 80's vintage shirt.
Good thing it wasn't windy!


The rest of us can see that John behaves like a
gentleman and Arny behaves like a cowardly
nerd.

Really? You can say that even after the release of the
recording of the debate, which finishes up with Atkinson's
slightly quivering voice relievedly unilaterally calling an
end to the debate at the earliest possible opportunity?

No - I didn't hear that. The only quivering voice I heard
was yours, and the debate went the full hour. And what
does that have to do with my comment regarding your
behavior?

Some have issues with John's position on methods
and conclusions, but retain respect for the man.

Why should John get any more respect than I?

He's probably demonstrated more restraint and
maturity than anyone else here and his behavior here
is very consistent with his behavior at the debate.
Your performance at the debate demonstrated some
of the same qualities. Your responses were logical
and consistent. Good job.
It's your behavior here that is inconsistent with
your behavior at the debate. If you behaved here
like you did at the debate, few would have issue
with you. It's here that you act like an adolescent
geek. It's here that you say things you didn't
have the balls to say to his face.

Clyde Slick said:

Only you four idiots actually have any respect or pretend to have
respect for Arny.

Perhaps you should google this thread:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...2cbb3d3ebbfa1a

Arny, we are talking about the lack of respect for you as a decent human
being, we are not talking about respect for you as a technician.
Of course, the respect you might get as a human being is certiainly of no
importance to you,all that matters
is that we all celebrate your geekhood.

Just to put the ravings of the lunatic "Ethan Winer" in perspective, here's
how he introduced the thread:

"Arny is well known for his support for the scientific method to
test what is audible and what is not. John is known for, um, - well, let's
just call it an anti-science bias."

Here we see the word "science" used to justify the class envy that forms the
basis for Krooger's wacky religion. In reality, as JA has pointed out,
Krooger and his kronies are true believers in scientism. As defined by
Merriam-Webster, scientism is:

an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science
applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social
sciences, and the humanities)

Or, as an erstwhile RAOer put it, if the only tool you have is a hammer,
every problem looks like a nail.

dave weil said:

When, months ago, he invited Krueger I have been the *first*
to write that he was acting like a *gentleman* while the
usual idiots (Middius, Sackman, Weil...) were writing that
he was inviting Arnold to "destroy" him (which was IMHO
insulting for JA).

I never said any such thing.

Nor did I.

Sluttie is not known for her proficiency in reading comprehension.

Or, as an erstwhile RAOer put it, if the only tool you have is a hammer,
every problem looks like a nail.



Well a nine pound hammer
Is a little too heavy
Buddy for my size
Yeah' for my size

Hammingaway